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Littlelebowski
04-28-10, 11:03
Bloomberg spends his weekends in Bermuda, a place where even the cops do not have guns. The city foots the bill for 2 NYPD cops to go with him and protect him. Said protection details has permits to carry the guns they take.


New York’s Mayor, but Bermuda Shares Custody
By MICHAEL BARBARO
HAMILTON, Bermuda — At Greg’s Steakhouse, the power lunch spot on this sun-soaked island, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is such a regular that he has his own booth, with a view of the Parliament building. The waiters have memorized his order: coffee-rubbed New York strip steak.

The cabdrivers in Bermuda know Mr. Bloomberg by sight and jockey for a chance to drive him around town. (The billionaire mayor, they say, tips well.)

Members of the Mid Ocean golf club, where he plays up to two rounds a day, can rattle off the strengths and weaknesses of his game.

“He’s a bit slow, to be honest,” said one of them, who found himself stuck behind the mayor’s foursome recently.

Mr. Bloomberg, who owns a waterfront estate here, has walled off his life in Bermuda from voters in New York, arguing it is none of their business. He steadfastly refuses to say when he is on the island, and to blindfold prying eyes, he has blocked aviation Web sites from making public the movements of his private planes.

Yet residents here view him as one of their own — as much a Bermudan as a New Yorker. They follow his battles against term limits and New York City crime, and argue that their island plays a key role in restoring his energy and helping him succeed in office.

“We provide him with a place to unwind for a day or two, and then go back to a very important job, not just to New York, but to the world,” said John Swan, Bermuda’s former premier and a frequent Bloomberg lunch guest.

In dozens of interviews, residents described Mr. Bloomberg, 68, as a fixture on the island, dining out with lawmakers, cruising its streets in his golf cart and hosting small parties at his house.

It is difficult to say exactly how often he stays on the island; neighbors and friends say he is here about twice a month, depending on the weather in Bermuda (no sun, no Bloomberg) and the political climate in New York.

Prolonged absences arouse worry. After Mr. Bloomberg did not show up at a restaurant called Rustico for an unusually long stretch last summer, the manager asked the mayor’s Bermudan housekeeper if everything was all right.

She explained that the mayor was busy campaigning for a third term, making travel to Bermuda next to impossible (and undoubtedly impolitic). “She said he would be back,” said the manager, Antonino Amato.

The Bermudan jaunts do pose political risks. New York City mayors have historically prided themselves on working seven days a week and racing to the scene of an emergency even on the weekends.

Mr. Bloomberg does not. His aides know better than to schedule public events after Friday mornings, allowing the mayor to make his getaways to Bermuda on Friday afternoon and be back in New York by Sunday evening. (Of the 17 Fridays since Dec. 31, the mayor had no public events scheduled after 10 a.m. on 13 of them.)

The mayor’s aides say he can get back quickly if needed — the flight between New York and Bermuda takes about two hours — but there have been some notable absences.

In February, a City Hall aide was struck by a car early one Sunday morning and fell into a coma, ordinarily an emergency that would prompt a mayoral visit. The mayor spoke to the aide’s grieving family by telephone while aides rushed to the hospital. Mr. Bloomberg eventually met with the family late Sunday afternoon, after returning to New York.

Two weekends ago, Mr. Bloomberg skipped the annual Greek Independence Day Parade on Fifth Avenue, leaving some spectators miffed. He has attended the parade for the past two years, and was grand marshal in 2006. During the mayoral campaign last fall, he often boasted of his connections to Greek New Yorkers, even printing up thousands of signs that declared, “Greeks for Mike Bloomberg.”

Bermudans say he was on the island both weekends. Asked if that were the case, Stu Loeser, a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg, would say only: “The mayor, like everyone else, is entitled to some privacy, which is why we generally don’t discuss how he spends his personal time.”

The mayor also takes along a police detail when he travels, flying two officers on his private plane and paying as much as $400 a night to put them up at a hotel near his house; the city pays their wages while they are there, as it does whether Mr. Bloomberg is New York or not. Guns are largely forbidden in Bermuda — even most police officers do not use them — but the mayor’s guards have special permission to carry weapons. A spokesman for the Police Department declined to comment.

Mr. Swan, the former premier, dismissed questions about the mayor’s ability to run New York City when he is, say, on the 14th hole at Mid Ocean in Bermuda. “He is never out of reach here,” he said. “People think he is going off to some isolated place where he can’t be found, but he can return with very short notice.”

He smiled broadly, and added, “We are much closer to New York than Florida is.”

In fact, Bermudans say they feel especially connected to New York City; cable television carries local New York news stations, making Mr. Bloomberg as familiar a sight as “Law & Order” reruns.

As she waited for a bus in Hamilton, Barbara Frith, an administrative worker, rattled off her knowledge of the mayor, from his résumé as a businessman to his $1-a-year salary. She said she liked his controversial rewriting of the city’s term-limits law last year, which allowed him to run for a third term. She was on his side. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” she said.

Mr. Bloomberg bought an estate in Bermuda, called Stokes Bay, by 1998. He demolished the 2,620-square-foot house and commissioned a local architect to replace it with a $10 million home nearly three times its size in Tucker’s Town.

Even by Bermudan standards, it was flashy: five balconies, four bedrooms, seven bathrooms, an in-ground pool and space for four cars, all hidden by a gated driveway, according to documents on file with the Bermuda Department of Planning.

The plans showed a sprawling property dotted by “imported” palm trees, long pergolas and a ridged roof that collects rainwater for drinking.

Mr. Bloomberg’s new neighbors did not approve. In a tart letter, the planning committee at the Mid Ocean club, which acts as a zoning board for nearby land, complained that the proposed house was “too large” for the site and would result in the “obliteration” of views for nearby residents. It deemed the project “unacceptable.” The Bermudan government found its own problems with the plans. Its marine experts objected to the mayor’s proposal to build a large dock in front of the house, arguing it would disrupt the sea grass beds in the area, records show.

Mr. Bloomberg’s architect agreed to shave three feet off the height of the house and abandon plans for the dock.

The estate contains a pristine private beach, facing Tucker’s Town Cove, but neighbors said Mr. Bloomberg was not much for sunbathing.

When he is on the island, they said, he plays golf — obsessively. He is a member of the island’s two best courses, Tucker’s Point and Mid Ocean (initiation fee: $50,000), which are, not by accident, within walking distance of his home.

The mayor knows the employees of Mid Ocean by name, and in typical Bloomberg fashion, he recently ordered a giant bouquet of flowers for the club secretary.

Michael H. Dunkley, a member of the Bermudan Senate and the president of Mid Ocean, said Mr. Bloomberg routinely played 36 holes on Saturday and 18 on Sunday, squeezing about 15 hours of golf into a single weekend.

“We wish all of our overseas members played as much as he does,” Mr. Dunkley said.

The mayor brings his houseguests onto the course. Edward Skyler, the deputy mayor for operations at City Hall, Sheldon Silver, the speaker of the New York State Assembly, George E. Pataki, the former governor, and Joseph L. Bruno, the former majority leader of the State Senate, have all played with him here.

As he does in New York, the mayor dines out most evenings. He is fond of the sleek restaurant Port O Call, where the pan-seared lemon sole is $38, and the clubby Tom Moore’s Tavern, where the grilled quail wrapped in bacon is $35.

In January, Mr. Bloomberg and his companion, Diana L. Taylor, had dinner at the Point, the island’s most talked about new first-class restaurant, where the mayor left a $175 tip on top of the 17 percent gratuity automatically charged by the restaurant.

“I was very lucky that night,” said the waiter who served him. He did not want his name in the paper for fear of losing his job (and any future tips from the mayor).

Mr. Bloomberg often eats with members of his security detail. At Rustico, his favorite Italian restaurant in Bermuda, he stakes out an outdoor table for six and orders platters of herb-marinated chicken, tenderloin of beef and fresh orecchiette.

He is determined to blend in. For years his assistants made reservations at local restaurants using an alias, to avoid having the waiters fuss over him.

At times, though, his attempts at privacy border on the extreme. Shortly after Mr. Bloomberg was elected mayor, he requested that the Bermudan government seal all of his housing records, according to a letter from his architect. The government refused. Since then, the mayor’s gardeners have stopped trimming the vegetation around his house. It has grown several feet taller and now largely blocks the viewfrom the water. (The downside: it obstructs the mayor’s view.)

His celebrity status has made him a prize guest. He dines regularly with the current premier, Ewart F. Brown, whose wife has become friends with Ms. Taylor, and he has turned up at the Bermuda home of H. Ross Perot, who lives a few houses up the street.

Mr. Bloomberg, who relishes entertaining at his town house in New York, has fewer parties in Bermuda, friends said. Invitations to his house are rare, and coveted. Two of the mayor’s neighbors said they had been invited over for drinks, and found the mayor — who has a reputation for being chilly at times — amiable and relaxed after a day of golf.

“He is the perfect neighbor,” said David A. Brown, who lives next door to Mr. Bloomberg. Applying a yardstick familiar to every New Yorker, he added, “He is very respectful; he never makes noise.”

Article (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/nyregion/26bermuda.html?pagewanted=print)

mattjmcd
04-28-10, 11:19
Pretty standard fare for that sort, I reckon. "If it's good enough for me, then go pound sand, because... well, just because.":rolleyes:

Alpha Sierra
04-28-10, 16:58
The French Revolution taught the world how to deal with his kind.

Buck
04-28-10, 17:33
Bloomberg spends his weekends in Bermuda, a place where even the cops do not have guns. The city foots the bill for 2 NYPD cops to go with him and protect him. Said protection details has permits to carry the guns they take.



This is not Animal Farm… He is the chief executive of the largest city in the United States… He has a protection detail assigned to him by the New York Police Department… They are assigned to him 24 hours a day, 365 Days a year… It does not make any difference where on the planet he is, the Officers are still assigned to the protection detail, and they are on salary… When he travels to Bermuda, he pays their airfare and hotel bills out of his pocket at no expense to the City, and the Officers are paid the same salary by the City, as if they were in the Big Apple…

What is the issue here???

Artos
04-28-10, 17:42
What is the issue here???


I'm guessing the issue is it's OK for a high roller to bank roll armed guards anywhere / everywhere (assuming this will continue after his public service) but works hard trying to pass laws to make sure civi's cannot do the same on their own behalf.

His past tactics have been 'weasel like' in regards to gunshows / etc, especially when it goes into other states....imho

Brimstone
04-28-10, 17:42
This is not Animal Farm… He is the chief executive of the largest city in the United States… He has a protection detail assigned to him by the New York Police Department… They are assigned to him 24 hours a day, 365 Days a year… It does not make any difference where on the planet he is, the Officers are still assigned to the protection detail, and they are on salary… When he travels to Bermuda, he pays their airfare and hotel bills out of his pocket at no expense to the City, and the Officers are paid the same salary by the City, as if they were in the Big Apple…

What is the issue here???

The issue is that he is the anti-gun poster boy and yet he makes sure he always has armed guards.

dbrowne1
04-28-10, 17:43
This is not Animal Farm…

Could have fooled me...


He is the chief executive of the largest city in the United States… He has a protection detail assigned to him by the New York Police Department… They are assigned to him 24 hours a day, 365 Days a year… It does not make any difference where on the planet he is, the Officers are still assigned to the protection detail, and they are on salary… When he travels to Bermuda, he pays their airfare and hotel bills out of his pocket at no expense to the City, and the Officers are paid the same salary by the City, as if they were in the Big Apple…

What is the issue here???

The issue isn't cost. The issue is that he denies his own people the right to carry firearms, but gets special treatment for bodyguards to carry guns where nobody else can in another country, including other cops from the U.S. and including people who are actually residents of Bermuda.

And he's a MAYOR. Not the President. Frankly he's much more of a kidnap risk because of how much he's worth than because of his political position.

Littlelebowski
04-28-10, 17:52
Others have already said it. Bloomberg is just as much as a high value target as my wife and family are to me.

A-Bear680
04-28-10, 18:53
Mr. Bloomberg seems to be a classic example of a sorry excuse for a " leader ". It's all about him : His safety , his comfort , and his convenience - yet the regular people in "his " city are prohibited from carrying self -defense tools to defend their families.

Alpha Sierra
04-28-10, 21:16
This is not Animal Farm… He is the chief executive of the largest city in the United States… He has a protection detail assigned to him by the New York Police Department… They are assigned to him 24 hours a day, 365 Days a year… It does not make any difference where on the planet he is, the Officers are still assigned to the protection detail, and they are on salary… When he travels to Bermuda, he pays their airfare and hotel bills out of his pocket at no expense to the City, and the Officers are paid the same salary by the City, as if they were in the Big Apple…

What is the issue here???
The issue here is that he has a protection detail at all. Do we have f-ing royalty in this country, complete with Praetorian Guards?

Buck
04-28-10, 21:42
Every Governor and Attorney General of every State in the Union, and every Mayor, Police Chief, and Sheriff of every major American city have a protection detail of sworn Law Enforcement Officers…

You can disagree with the man’s politics, and be unhappy that he is independently wealthy all you wish, but where was your righteous indignation at Sara Palin and Jan Brewer and their protection details ???

B

Gombey
04-28-10, 21:48
I am glad that this also got your attention!! I have it running here:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52690

The reason it pisses ME off so much is he does not need to be in Bermuda!! He can stay in NY. His life is no more important than my families life. He is in LESS danger living in Tuckers Town (which is a whole other issue in itself) than my nana living in Somerset. If my family depends on Bermuda Police Service he needs to as well. NYPD has no jurisdiction so they are just guards, while those that live on the island can't even carry a blade!!

There is a sign here in Alabama on I-65 south toward Montgomery, it says America if you don't like it leave it!

If he does not like the laws of the island....DON'T COME!!!!

Rant over

glocktogo
04-28-10, 21:56
Every Governor and Attorney General of every State in the Union, and every Mayor, Police Chief, and Sheriff of every major American city have a protection detail of sworn Law Enforcement Officers…

You can disagree with the man’s politics, and be unhappy that he is independently wealthy all you wish, but where was your righteous indignation at Sara Palin and Jan Brewer and their protection details ???

B

They aren't running around trying to keep self defense tools out of the hands of the citizens. No hypocrisy, hence no righteous indignation. I'm not sure you're looking at this topic from the right perspective. :(

Hmm, seems the Governor of Texas doesn't need a security detail 24/7/365?

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52734

graffex
04-28-10, 22:47
Every Governor and Attorney General of every State in the Union, and every Mayor, Police Chief, and Sheriff of every major American city have a protection detail of sworn Law Enforcement Officers…

You can disagree with the man’s politics, and be unhappy that he is independently wealthy all you wish, but where was your righteous indignation at Sara Palin and Jan Brewer and their protection details ???

B

Um... The difference is they're not hypocrites :rolleyes:

John_Wayne777
04-29-10, 06:48
I think the indignation stems from politicians who are provided a necessary means of protection from bad guys seeking to deprive everybody else of a necessary means of protection from bad guys.

...including reserve police officers like the one who was killed in NYC several months ago. They are in uniform but aren't allowed to have firearms because NYC is stupid about guns. A bad guy who just pulled off an armed robbery was leaving, saw the reserve officer in uniform, and popped him.

Protection details are fine...but it's a bit ridiculous for a guy who has armed guards 24/7 at taxpayer expense to tell everybody else that they can't have so much as a J frame on them to protect them from the bad people who will kill them just as dead as an assassin can kill a politician.

Terry
04-29-10, 08:06
EXACTY JW777!

Alpha Sierra
04-29-10, 09:11
Every Governor and Attorney General of every State in the Union, and every Mayor, Police Chief, and Sheriff of every major American city have a protection detail of sworn Law Enforcement Officers…

You can disagree with the man’s politics, and be unhappy that he is independently wealthy all you wish, but where was your righteous indignation at Sara Palin and Jan Brewer and their protection details ???

B

And NONE of them, regardless of party affiliation or position, should have them.

They should bear the full risk of their decisions on their own. Their lives are worth no more than anyone else's.

SHIVAN
04-29-10, 09:32
Every Governor and Attorney General of every State in the Union, and every Mayor, Police Chief, and Sheriff of every major American city have a protection detail of sworn Law Enforcement Officers…

I'm Ok with him having a protection detail equipped as he would see his citizens equipped. If that were the case, I'm sure he would reconsider his stance on civilian ownership of firearms and ammunition, don't you think?

The difference in protection for people like Palin is that she does not actively seek to disarm those citizens under her leadership.

It's about his hyprocrisy, not the actual security detail or the LE doing the protecting.

At least in my mind, however if this is some sort of anti-LE thread, I am simply going to start cutting out the problem children from this site. ;)

Littlelebowski
04-29-10, 09:35
I started thus thread as a "Bloomberg hypocrisy" thread. Kinda hard to criticize his detail.

SHIVAN
04-29-10, 09:45
I started thus thread as a "Bloomberg hypocrisy" thread. Kinda hard to criticize his detail.

I think you're fine, it's others who may decided they want to direct it at LE specifically. Then we, as a site directive, will have a problem.

So far, I think we're doing Ok though.

glocktogo
04-29-10, 09:49
I only saw one person who thought this was some kind of anti-LE thread. Everyone else was talking about the hypocrisy. Perhaps you need to examine their intentions? ;)

Abraxas
04-29-10, 10:18
I think the indignation stems from politicians who are provided a necessary means of protection from bad guys seeking to deprive everybody else of a necessary means of protection from bad guys.

...including reserve police officers like the one who was killed in NYC several months ago. They are in uniform but aren't allowed to have firearms because NYC is stupid about guns. A bad guy who just pulled off an armed robbery was leaving, saw the reserve officer in uniform, and popped him.

Protection details are fine...but it's a bit ridiculous for a guy who has armed guards 24/7 at taxpayer expense to tell everybody else that they can't have so much as a J frame on them to protect them from the bad people who will kill them just as dead as an assassin can kill a politician.

Dead on as usual.

Heavy Metal
04-29-10, 10:51
You can disagree with the man’s politics, and be unhappy that he is independently wealthy all you wish, but where was your righteous indignation at Sara Palin and Jan Brewer and their protection details ???



Why should I have righteous indignation at them? They are not trying to enforce a double-standard against me.

Please explain to me what there is for me to be righteously indignant about and then I can discuss why I should or should not be thus.

I might add that in the case of Palin, she now pays for her own security with private funds too.

Heavy Metal
04-29-10, 10:53
I only saw one person who thought this was some kind of anti-LE thread. Everyone else was talking about the hypocrisy. Perhaps you need to examine their intentions? ;)

Has nothing to do with LE. Has everything to do with high-order hypocracy on the part of Bloomberg and the double-standards he promulgates on others.

Bubba FAL
04-29-10, 12:53
It's elitism, plain and simple. "All are created equal, but some are more equal", if one prefers.

The attitude of B'berg that he is entitled to blah,blah, blah (actual entitlement is not the point), because he is "important", while considering his constituents (and others) to be too inept or "unimportant" to rate the same is infuriating. My wife and daughter are important to me and deserving of my armed protection - but not in B'berg's city. I'd go to prison for protecting myself or family in NYC.

If he truly believes in his cause, he should dismiss any special protection and rely on general law enforcement as he forces the citizens of NYC to do.

It's not just B'berg, anyone remember when Dianne Feinstein had herself declared an Air Marshal so she could carry a gun on board a plane? This at the same point in time when she was railing against "evil assault rifles".

dbrowne1
04-29-10, 16:58
Every Governor and Attorney General of every State in the Union, and every Mayor, Police Chief, and Sheriff of every major American city have a protection detail of sworn Law Enforcement Officers…

I'd say you're factually wrong about that. The Virginia Attorney General, for example, does not have a "protection detail" and in fact I used to see now-Governor Bob McDonnell alone in downtown Richmond all the time when he was AG.


You can disagree with the man’s politics, and be unhappy that he is independently wealthy all you wish, but where was your righteous indignation at Sara Palin and Jan Brewer and their protection details ???

Sarah Palin was a major candidate for national office (and a governor - not a mayor) for one thing, and for another thing, she didn't tell the rest of us that we weren't good enough to carry guns. Ditto for Jan Brewer. And you still seem to be ignoring the foreign country aspect of this, but you've clearly already made up your mind.

Buck
04-29-10, 17:32
The Virginia State Capitol Police is America's oldest police department. It was established in 1618 at Jamestown, Virginia to protect the Governor of Virginia and the Colonial Assembly.

The department currently provides police and security services to the seat of Virginia government located in Richmond, Virginia. The department is a full service law enforcement agency that also provides specialized protection to the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, the Attorney General, Justices of the Supreme Court and members of the General Assembly. The department provides general police services, executive protection services, K9 services, security clearance services, investigations, bike patrol, emergency medical response as well as traditional auto and foot patrol.

The Virginia State Police Executive Protection Unit also provides security for the Governor.



I guess you all had better tell the Virginia Capitol Police and State Police Executive Protection Unit to close up shop as their services are no longer required...

Are you upset that the taxpaying citizens of New York city have voted into office someone who you disagree with, or are you upset that those same tax payers also provide sworn Law Enforcement Officers, that they pay for, to protect the Mayor of their City regardless of his or her politics??? I guess if it really bothers you, move to New York and vote him out of office, or run for mayor yourself...

As to the foreign aspect of it...

He owns a residence in Bermuda that he visits, the government of the island has granted permits to possess firearms to the sworn Officers assigned to his protection detail… They are there in an official capacity ... Why does this bother you???

I personally do not agree with his politics, but there is nothing sinister here…

B

dbrowne1
04-29-10, 17:58
I guess you all had better tell the Virginia Capitol Police and State Police Executive Protection Unit to close up shop as their services are no longer required...

Yeah, nice cut and paste. You clearly have no clue what the Virginia Capitol Police actually do. Having actually WORKED at the Supreme Court of Virginia and having walked out the door and into downtown Richmond more than once with the Chief Justice - and no "protection detail" - I can tell you that nobody other than the Governor has any sort of regular detail following them around. I won't go into more detail than that, and obviously there is static security and access control at all of their offices, but the idea that somebody like a mayor (even one in a big city) need special treatment for carrying weapons overseas while the rest of us get shafted is just asinine.

But you're right. Your generic website cut and paste beats my firsthand knowledge.

So you're telling me that if I buy a house on Bermuda I will get a permit to carry a handgun there? Or permits for my armed cronies? You still don't get it, do you.

Buck
04-29-10, 19:16
but the idea that somebody like a mayor (even one in a big city) need special treatment for carrying weapons overseas while the rest of us get shafted is just asinine.

The population of NYC is greater than that of the entire state of VA...



So you're telling me that if I buy a house on Bermuda I will get a permit to carry a handgun there? Or permits for my armed cronies? You still don't get it, do you.

If you become the elected chief executive of several million people and have professional Law Enforcement Officers assigned your protection detail then Yes, I believe that you could get a permit for those officers to accompany you armed whilst visiting Bermuda...

B

P.S. In the words of TIP... "This has jumped the shark..."