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SpookyPistolero
04-29-10, 11:06
Howdy folks-
Search isn't working for me using any browser, so I wanted to ask a quick question.
I want to get an end plate sling mount for a build. I'm looking at a couple of cheaper ones ($15) vs the $30 ones. Is there any reason to go with a specific model, from those who have used them a lot in training/practice? I'm trying to keep costs down since the rest of the build is costing an arm and a leg!
Thanks much-
Oh, these are the ones I was looking at....
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Single-Point-Sling-DUAL-Hook-Mount-Rear-p/sling%20mount%20plate%20dual%20hook.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Single-Point-Sling-Mount-p/sling%20mt%20end%20plate%20car-a-2s.htm
vs this guy...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-ASAP-Ambidextrous-Sling-Attachment-Point-p/mag500.htm
what kind of sling do you want to use? single point sling go with the Magpul plate (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-ASAP-Ambidextrous-Sling-Attachment-Point-p/mag500.htm) and sling (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-MS2-Multi-Mission-Sling-System-BLACK-p/mag501%20ms2%20blk.htm). 2 point go with the Noveske (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=rec-qdep&cat=61&page=1&search=&since=&status=) or similar and a Vickers (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Blue-Force-Gear-Vickers-Combat-Applications-Sling-p/vcas-125-fg.htm) sling.
SpookyPistolero
04-29-10, 11:40
Actually hadn't decided that much, but I'm thinking single point. I guess that's a topic unto itself!
Does the 'distal' part of the sling not get in the way on a 2-point? Not much more irritating than too many straps getting in the way when under the gun, so to speak. :p
I dislike HK hooks, they sometimes let go.
I have a very high grip so any endplate that sticks out the side of the receiver bother/pinch the web between my index and thumb.
Actually hadn't decided that much, but I'm thinking single point. I guess that's a topic unto itself!
Does the 'distal' part of the sling not get in the way on a 2-point? Not much more irritating than too many straps getting in the way when under the gun, so to speak. :p
A 2-point doesn't get in the way. It frees-up both hands unlike a 1-point sling that, without one hand on it, will smack you in the balls and/or knees.
I don't like plates that stick out the sides, too much conflict with other things in my experience.
this is my current favorite (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31766/Product/AR15_M16_QD_SLING_ADAPTER___SWIVEL) and this is my old favorite (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=78). My new favorite is less expensive than my old favorite, which is why I like it more. :D
Here or elsewhere, there was a reasonably lengthy thread about the merits and liabilities of end-plate sling attachment. Critical to their success is to get a high quality unit with good strength, as the plate will be stressed. Bad plates, or bad installation, will cause your critical failures, inc but not limited to your spring and detent going kiddywampus.
There was also advocacy of the bolt-on units (esp the TD PR-4) over the end plate replacements.
LF, perhaps?
Either way, worth reading, and food for thought.
Here or elsewhere, there was a reasonably lengthy thread about the merits and liabilities of end-plate sling attachment. Critical to their success is to get a high quality unit with good strength, as the plate will be stressed. Bad plates, or bad installation, will cause your critical failures, inc but not limited to your spring and detent going kiddywampus.
There was also advocacy of the bolt-on units (esp the TD PR-4) over the end plate replacements.
LF, perhaps?
Either way, worth reading, and food for thought.
http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7206084761/m/132100646
Here or elsewhere, there was a reasonably lengthy thread about the merits and liabilities of end-plate sling attachment. Critical to their success is to get a high quality unit with good strength, as the plate will be stressed. Bad plates, or bad installation, will cause your critical failures, inc but not limited to your spring and detent going kiddywampus.
There was also advocacy of the bolt-on units (esp the TD PR-4) over the end plate replacements.
LF, perhaps?
Either way, worth reading, and food for thought.
It goes on and on about how they can go bad when installed poorly, but I would tend to think, based on the way the force is applied, and the forces applied to the Noveske offering, a proper install and periodic check would be ok. The DD, installed properly, is not too far from causing some issues, but those issues would be less of a concern than the failure of the Noveske plate. I guess it would boil down to the competency of the user and the person who installed it.
This is also the first I have seen any mention of the Noveske plate causing issues.
I guess it would boil down to the competency of the user and the person who installed it.
Truth. Like most things if the person performing the work is careful and thorough, a end plate adapter can be installed with minimal fuss.
I've had every type of sling attachment fail on me. HK hooks and Mash hooks are especially suspect in my book, I've had both fail in various applications, in each case dumping the attached rifle into the dirt.
http://www.ttellc.net/misc/deadhook.jpg
QD's seems to hold up best if you get good ones from known suppliers. The ones Rob pointed out are very nice examples.
I've been happy with this one:
http://www.pkfirearms.com/select_options/new/463
That one does not seem to have anything that extends into the receiver. The Noveske plate has the QD receptacle extend into the lower to prevent significant rotation should the other measures be overcome.
I was recently considering putting either
http://www.knightarmco.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=21
or
http://www.knightarmco.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=20
on my carbine. I live in a ban state and was going to go with a Sully stock and use the KAC end-plate adapter for a QD sling mount. Any experiences with the KAC units?
I don't think the DD Burnsed QD mounts would work because they fit around the buffer tube, whereas the Sully is set up more like an A2 stock I believe.
Dom
I've got the Noveske plate with a Vickers 2-point sling and have been happy with it. I haven't ran it through numerous classes / abuse though, so take it FWIW.
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The noveske plate is superior. It allows the stock to be collapsed all the way and if you use a Vickers low profile male sling plug, there is no chance the stock can unplug the sling.
I've always used the TangoDown PR-4, but only because I lack the ambition to unstake and then restake the receiver extension nut. The replacement plates are a cleaner and more compact solution if made and installed properly.
Anything can fail. I use a Vltor end plate and a single point bungee sling with a mash hook. Ive had my HK hooks fail and bend and Ive had one QD mount let go and drop my 870P in the dirt. In the QD case the mount wore grooves where the balls contacnt and just out right wore out. The mash hook has been my most secure this far....
I must agree with scottryan and rob_s . I too went with the Noveske plate, using it with a Vickers 2 point sling. So far I like it but I haven't ran it hard or anything yet so take it for want it's worth.
As orionz06 said, this is the first I've heard of problems with the Noveske plates.
I'm a big fan of www.ikickhippies.com and their end plate... I have one on my AR and love it.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/S682/AR/IMG_1436.jpg
The problem with the IKH one is that there is minimal resistance to rotation. The stamped part extends into the lower, but not as much as the Noveske does. But again, proper maintenance and a quick check of staking and an index mark should negate any issues.
Moose-Knuckle
05-01-10, 09:06
While we are on the subject. I currently run a VLTOR HK style endplate with a single point Blue Force Gear UDC sling on my Colt. I am wanting to get a Vickers of one sort or another and attach it via QD mounts. I am looking at the KAC and Noveske end plates, my question is what is the preferred mount 1.) QD mount at rear of end plate or 2.) QD mount to the side of the end plate?
Obviously the QD mount attachment located at the rear on the end plate can come in contact with a stock.
Obviously the QD mount attachment located at the rear on the end plate can come in contact with a stock.
I have a Noveske QD end plate installed on my Colt and it does not cause any issues with the opening or closing of the stock (Magpul ACS). I purchased both the plate and swivel from Brownell's and both are supposed to be manufactured by Noveske.
I would need to go home and verify just to be certain, but as I remember it, when the stock is closed, there is still a very small gap between the QD swivel and the stock.
EDIT: I am not an Operator and most likely never run my gun the way that many of the members of this forum will. So take that for what it is worth.
I had bad luck with a couple different name brand QD sling-things a few years ago, so I just don't trust them anymore. I found this one at Brownells:
5121
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=48899/pid=0/sku/Low_Profile_Sling_Adapter#
I have two or three of them now. It fits my needs...ambi because da wife's a lefty, very low profile, (I have a pretty high grip, too, so some less lo-pro type mounts scraped my thumb knuckle,) and it fits both my single point and two point slings.
Moose-Knuckle
05-26-10, 10:48
I have a Noveske QD end plate installed on my Colt and it does not cause any issues with the opening or closing of the stock (Magpul ACS). I purchased both the plate and swivel from Brownell's and both are supposed to be manufactured by Noveske.
I would need to go home and verify just to be certain, but as I remember it, when the stock is closed, there is still a very small gap between the QD swivel and the stock.
EDIT: I am not an Operator and most likely never run my gun the way that many of the members of this forum will. So take that for what it is worth.
I appreciate your info, I'm glad to know that the endplate and QD mount location does not interfer with the stock.
Obviously the QD mount attachment located at the rear on the end plate can come in contact with a stock.
I put the Noveske plate on my Noveske build. I had to trim about ¼"(half circle) off a VLTOR Emod so it would not contact the QD when fully collapsed.
kaiservontexas
05-26-10, 10:54
I am curious about an end plate with QD ability. I have a Blueforce Gear VCAS QD padded sling, and the rear of it is attached to the CTR's QD point. It gets in the way when I shouldering, and I have to adjust. Maybe this is my fault. I am not high speed by any means. But I started to think the other day maybe if it was moved up to the end plate my issue would be solved.
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww256/crusaderwyn/Projekt%20AR/DSC01689.jpg
Moose-Knuckle
05-26-10, 11:14
I had bad luck with a couple different name brand QD sling-things a few years ago, so I just don't trust them anymore.
It's not the first time I have heard of this happening. The HK hooks are a joke, I wear one on my duty belt to keep my keys handy and it's just about worn out and it does not get anywhere near the amount of abuse a carbine would. I just got the ITW mash hook for a EMDOM Gunslinger sling that I'm putting on one of my AK's. I'm gonna give it a good try out and see how it holds but I have heard of guy's having them fail as well.
I put the Noveske plate on my Noveske build. I had to trim about ¼"(half circle) off a VLTOR Emod so it would not contact the QD when fully collapsed.
Hmmm, well I plan on running this end plate with my CTR stock so I wonder if it would make contact?
Hmmm, well I plan on running this end plate with my CTR stock so I wonder if it would make contact?
Just checked mine, I have a CTR on a milspec tube and the Noveske QD plate. With a BFG sling in the plate, the stock will function at every length. You cannot remove the QD at the fully collapsed pin location though.
I had bad luck with a couple different name brand QD sling-things a few years ago, so I just don't trust them anymore.
What brands of QD endplates were you using, and what were the particular issues of each?
It would be great info to know, if you wouldn't mind. :)
But I started to think the other day maybe if it was moved up to the end plate my issue would be solved.
I don't run any of my slings off the carbine stock, the end plate is a much better solution in my mind.
I am curious about an end plate with QD ability. I have a Blueforce Gear VCAS QD padded sling, and the rear of it is attached to the CTR's QD point. It gets in the way when I shouldering, and I have to adjust. Maybe this is my fault. I am not high speed by any means. But I started to think the other day maybe if it was moved up to the end plate my issue would be solved.
First you can try the sling mounted on the opposite side of the stock, but I prefer the endplate mount.
Depending on the stock and QD swivel used the stock may contact the QD button when fully collapsed. This is only a problem if you can keep tension on the sling while extending the stock from fully collapsed.
The stock can have a small relief cut out to keep from contacting the release button but I think it's mainly a training issue as stocks should be set at shooting length except for admin transport.
kaiservontexas
05-26-10, 13:02
Thanks for the advice everybody, I'll try switching it to the other side next time I am out in the country. I fail to see how that will help, but it hurts nothing to try it. I am inclined to agree with Stickman that this is not the best way of running it. I did not think of it when I was putting the lower together.
Hindsight it is always 20/20 . . .
I'm a righty and use the left side QD socket on my CTR. Also note I'm not a high mileage user like some here.
Thanks for the advice everybody, I'll try switching it to the other side next time I am out in the country. I fail to see how that will help, but it hurts nothing to try it. I am inclined to agree with Stickman that this is not the best way of running it. I did not think of it when I was putting the lower together.
Hindsight it is always 20/20 . . .
I used to attach my VTAC 2 point sling to the Right side of my Magpul ACS. The sling did not cause a problem while shouldering the weapon, but I did find that during storage and transport, that the sling could get twisted and make it more difficult to put on.
Edit: I shoot the rifle right handed.
Lucky Strike
05-26-10, 14:07
I'm currently trying to decide on a Noveske QD endplate with Daniel Defense QD swivels or an IKickHippies plate with snap shakle........any insight on which would be preferable for a single point setup?
What brands of QD endplates were you using, and what were the particular issues of each?
It would be great info to know, if you wouldn't mind. :)
This was 3 - 4 years ago and I don't remember the specific brand. It was 2 different manufacturers, the type that bolt on the extension tube. The male QD-thingy fell out of the female portion with little to no pressure. The vendor took care of it with no problems at all so I never got to wrapped up in it.....
This one is much like the one that S391 recommended....you'll notice from the pics that it has a "nipple" that stops rotation.
http://www.botachtactical.com/ishamrepasla.html
Pretty in-expensive too at $19
DaBears_85
05-26-10, 23:02
Does anybody have any pics of the Noveske end plate installed with the QD swivel attached? I'm curious about the degree of motion the sling mount itself is able to travel. Is it a complete 360 degrees?
I've gone back to using the factory T6 stock on my 6920 for weight reasons. I'm assuming this wouldn't work due to the proximity of the stock to the end plate. At least not when fully collapsed.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad97/DaBears8586/photo-1.jpg
Moose-Knuckle
05-27-10, 02:44
Does anybody have any pics of the Noveske end plate installed with the QD swivel attached?
Military Moron has some great pics up on his sight with a QD attached to the Noveske endplate with the stock extended and closed. He does not want people hyperlinking to his sight other wise I would give you the link. His review date was 06/24/09 to help you find it quicker.
Hope my question isn't too far off topic, but for those with work rifles that cannot modify them to accept end plates mounts, rail sling mounts, etc. what disadvantages, if any, is so bad about using a 2 pnt with the original side sling mount that comes on M4 rifles and the attachment point on the factory stock?
Does anybody have any pics of the Noveske end plate installed with the QD swivel attached? I'm curious about the degree of motion the sling mount itself is able to travel. Is it a complete 360 degrees?
I've gone back to using the factory T6 stock on my 6920 for weight reasons. I'm assuming this wouldn't work due to the proximity of the stock to the end plate. At least not when fully collapsed.
[InMG]http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad97/DaBears8586/photo-1.jpg[/IMG]
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/orionz06/IMG_8625.jpg
Does anybody have any pics of the Noveske end plate installed with the QD swivel attached? I'm curious about the degree of motion the sling mount itself is able to travel. Is it a complete 360 degrees?
The castle nut/buffer tube limits the rotation to about 1/4 turn.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/orionz06/IMG_8625.jpg
What did you use to make those reference marks?
http://www.abmmarking.com/markers.htm
DaBears_85
05-27-10, 17:37
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/S682/AR/IMG_1436.jpg
So are the IKH and the ASAP the only two offerings of this style end plate?
Edit: I've been toying with the idea of using one of these in conjunction with a two-point sling. Any constructive feedback/criticisms?
Quiet-Matt
06-05-10, 14:38
I tried several end plate sling attachment methods and none seem to satisfy me.:rolleyes: I figured I'd try making one for myself. Bail from 1/16" wire rope clamp (59 cents), old end plate (free), and 5 seconds worth of welding.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5kA3JwNkBxc/TAqj3s_lenI/AAAAAAAAGEw/--j3EBdx9AE/s720/mms_picture.jpg
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