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Please bare with me here...
I know that reciprocity between states means that I can legally carry in a state that recognizes my states carry permit but does that REALLY mean I can just show up in PA for example and carry like I do here at home?
I don't need any other permit or anything like that?
It just sounds so easy...how many LE officiers (both state and local) are going to know about this?
Would it be safer to apply for a non-resident permit?
whiterabbit05
04-30-10, 13:26
You'll have to follow the carry laws of the state you are visiting. Check to see what differences, if any, there are.
Other than that, no other special permit is needed as far as I know.
It means that your permit is accepted in the state you are visiting---and follow the rules of the state you are in (not your state's rules). I.E. I have a VA permit...if visiting NC, I follow NC laws, not VA laws.
When I travel, I carry a copy of the reciprocity agreement (usually found on state's state police or AG website) and a copy of the state law (with the referenced code--in case a LEO wants to look it up himself).
Simply put, as long as your permit is honored in the state you are going to, you simply abide by the states law that you are visiting.
Pa is actually an OC state. No permit is required as long as you are not in a class 3 city or in an automobile. In Pa you can also carry in places that serve booze etc...
Link below will answer any question you might have. Each states laws are defined and codes listed. Print it out and bring a copy with you.
www.handgunlaw.us
Please bare with me here...
I know that reciprocity between states means that I can legally carry in a state that recognizes my states carry permit but does that REALLY mean I can just show up in PA for example and carry like I do here at home?
Yes, as long as you comply with the local laws (i.e. in Florida I can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol but I can't in some other states).
I don't need any other permit or anything like that?
It just sounds so easy...how many LE officiers (both state and local) are going to know about this?
Would it be safer to apply for a non-resident permit?
No need to get another license if you are covered under a reciprocity agreement. Like someone else mentioned I generally have some documentation that I throw in the car if I know I'm going to be out of state. I've got a folder that has applicable laws for pretty much all of the Southeastern US so it's all in one place.
Indiana is unique and requires that you follow the laws of your state of residence or from where your permit is from...
Buckaroo
It just sounds so easy...how many LE officiers (both state and local) are going to know about this?
Anticipate a wide variation of understanding of applicable statutes within the rank and file. Anticipate that there are some out there that will have grossly inaccurate information on the subject, and be willing to act on it. Anticipate that there are some that won't share your values on the topic, law or not.
I'm sure it goes without saying, but keep it concealed and don't call questions.
Would it be safer to apply for a non-resident permit?
That removes some possibility of misunderstanding, but I think it's overkill in most cases. Can't hurt though.
Thanks for the info guys. I like the idea of carrying a print out of the Attorney General's webpage on this subject and I'm going to continue to look into a non-resident permit.
We still have family up there and my son is going to Jr. Penguins Hockey Camp in Pittsburgh this summer so I'll be spending some time in PA this year so maybe a non-resident permit isn't such a bad idea.
I do not see the point of getting a non-resident permit if they honor the permit you have, seems like a total waste of money.
I grew up in PA and that's the main place I travel to when I go out of state so I have a PA permit. As easy as a PA permit is to get I don't see why you don't get one. I got mine through Centre county, $26 and a copy of your DL and CCW. I got it back in less than 2 weeks from sending the application out. Centre is the best county to go through because most of the others make you jump through too many hoops. You can print the app right off their website. I found the link on pafoa.org.
I do not see the point of getting a non-resident permit if they honor the permit you have, seems like a total waste of money.
Cheap insurance, nothing more. I know I can carry there without it but to be honest I'm lazy and don't like to be hassled. If filling out a form and mailing it in takes 20 minutes verses spending an hour or more trying to explain to someone that I can legally carry in the state of PA I'm going to go the form route :)
I grew up in PA and that's the main place I travel to when I go out of state so I have a PA permit. As easy as a PA permit is to get I don't see why you don't get one. I got mine through Centre county, $26 and a copy of your DL and CCW. I got it back in less than 2 weeks from sending the application out. Centre is the best county to go through because most of the others make you jump through too many hoops. You can print the app right off their website. I found the link on pafoa.org.
Thanks man but that website doesn't work for me...:confused:
Alpha Sierra
05-01-10, 10:53
I carry in PA with a NH non-resident license. Not a worry in the world.
I know this is off topic but does show that a national carry permit would help people. I live about 5 mins from the SC line and the only way I can get a permit there is to buy land there.
Maybe it's .com, but it was the PA firearms owners association website. Either way, if you google Centre county sheriff you'll find the link on their site. I'm posting from the iPhone or I'd try to find the link.
If you're comfortable with out of state reciprocity that's fine, but PA has the highest number of police departments in any state in the country at over 1100 different PDs. If you want to trust that every officer in every tiny jurisdiction in PA knows and understands what reciprocity means and what states have it, that's cool. But for $26 it's easier to avoid all that.
You can say it easier, but it is like getting an out of state drivers license. Your driver license works in all states, do you freak out and worry if you cross a state line?
I know this is off topic but does show that a national carry permit would help people. I live about 5 mins from the SC line and the only way I can get a permit there is to buy land there.
I think Florida's permit covers SC.
You can say it easier, but it is like getting an out of state drivers license. Your driver license works in all states, do you freak out and worry if you cross a state line?
Not trying to argue about it and this thread isn't about national reciprocity, but I think the process to get a PA permit is far easier than getting an out of state DL. I have NV, Utah and PA and I'm covered nearly everywhere I could possibly go.
bobvila- the idea of a national carry permit is scary for both the anti and pro gunners- why for us you say?
then the fed would be able to say yes /no to national concealed carry and the next thing you know the beaurocratic mess that would ensue would end up with a system where a 5 year renewable permit would take 3+ years to get. Also then the feds would have even more data to know exactly who carries a gun-bad idea. A bill to sort of force states into reciprocity was considered recently but lost narrowly. Keeping control of these issues in the states is better for the most part. Having said that I live in NY and our "carry law" has to be close to the worst mess- each county issues a permit that says new york state on it but is not valid in ny city, may have arbitrary admin restrcitions put on by local judges, and in sme jurisdictions (thank god not where I live) the permits are only good for 5 years. In NY you can not even possess a pistol without permit, so if you live in a renewable county and you don't renew in time your guns need to be turned in to the police.
I think Florida's permit covers SC.
It does, but I'm pretty sure SC doesn't cover non-resident permits...so that wouldn't help...
Yeah, I knew there was something with SC that made a FL permit not worth me spending the money to get one. It's just been a long time since I looked into one. Now that Iowa passed shall issue I wonder how their reciprocity will work.
Before SC decided to get off their ass and accept FL licenses*, I remember that the only way that I could ever have a valid license in SC was to own property there, like someone else in the thread mentioned. At the time it was about the only state in the whole southeast that was a no-go for me.
*Florida's policy is that they will accept a license from any state that accepts a Florida license
To the subject of the OP, if procuring a non-resident PA license is relatively easy and cheap, and you spend any significant amount of time there, I'd say there are far worse ways to spend the money even if it is redundant. Go for it.
So did you end up getting your PA permit?
So did you end up getting your PA permit?
I did send all the paperwork but have not received it back yet. I think it cost $26 for five years. Given the fact that we go back to Pittsburgh twice a year (on average) I think that's a pretty good deal.
Did you go through Centre County? I got mine back fast, I was at my parents in Harrisburg for a week, mailed it in around the middle of that week, and received it in the mail about a week after I returned home.
Did you go through Centre County? I got mine back fast, I was at my parents in Harrisburg for a week, mailed it in around the middle of that week, and received it in the mail about a week after I returned home.
Yes I did go through Centre County, on your advice ;)
How long has it been?
A week maybe...a week and few days. I was out of town for the past four weeks so wasn't able to get it out when we first talked about it.
You'll probably get it in a couple days.
Threads like this make me hate my friggin state.
Not carrying is so ingrained here that even if they suddenly made it legal to carry in NJ tomorrow I and most others would have a sense of dread while doing so that would last for months.
Bahhh, we should even be so lucky to feel that dread. Sucks, I tell you. :mad:
Isn't Philly only a few miles from you?
Isn't Philly only a few miles from you?
Yes, not far at all. I'm over there once in a while.
Why, do you know something I don't?
Yes, not far at all. I'm over there once in a while.
Why, do you know something I don't?
You can always move. :)
You can always move. :)
Why do I not find that very helpful? Processing further.......still nothing. :confused:
Oh well, it's the thought that counts.
:D
I would never live in a place that didn't allow me the means to defend myself. If I remember correctly though, you grew up there so I guess its different. I've spent my entire life in pro-gun places. Hell, California is a couple hours away and I won't go because I can't bring a gun. But that's just me.
exiledtoIA
05-21-10, 14:51
Yeah, I knew there was something with SC that made a FL permit not worth me spending the money to get one. It's just been a long time since I looked into one. Now that Iowa passed shall issue I wonder how their reciprocity will work.
As of 2:45pm, 21 MAY 2010 according to Iowa Public Safety website
there are NO reciprocity agreements between IA and any other state.
they do NOT recognize CCW permits from any other state.
woodandsteel
05-22-10, 04:37
As of 2:45pm, 21 MAY 2010 according to Iowa Public Safety website
there are NO reciprocity agreements between IA and any other state.
they do NOT recognize CCW permits from any other state.
Yep. The new Iowa law won't take effect until January 1st, 2011.
After that, Iowa will recognize permits from other states.
So did you end up getting your PA permit?
My permit came yesterday! That was fast. I guess I need to signt two of the copies and send them back, keeping the third? Does that sound about right?
Yep. I took the copy that I kept to Kinko's and had it shrunk to wallet size and laminated it and the full-size one.
ETA: We just did a class for some of my co-workers for NV carry permits, and I just got my NV renewal back. What a cluster****. The CCW process is one of the reasons I miss PA.
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