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C4IGrant
05-03-10, 12:05
As many of you have read, we taught a basic Defensive Pistol class at Tusco Rifle Club: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52218

On April 30th, we started our Defensive Carbine class. Just like the pistol class, there is little to no carbine training going on in our area so we decided to do something about that.

Sgt. Watson of the T-County SO helped me run the class (which I am grateful for). We had about 24 shooters come out for our class. Like the pistol class, this one was FREE to the club members as well.

The week prior to the class, we saw a lot of the students come into our shop for mag pouches and slings. For whatever reason, they all had DPMS rifles. The castle nut on all of them were not staked. One came off with no effort and one of the others would NOT comes off with a cheater bar and heating it with a torch. :mad: I have no idea what DPMS did to this castle nut, but it ain't coming off. One more reason to not buy a DPMS. ;)

In the class, we discussed safety, operating in groups with a carbine and trigger finger discipline. There were about 3-4 Vietnam era slings (standard GI). Everyone wants to point their muzzles at their melon's! No idea why this is. So after asking them all if they wanted to shoot themselves in the head or the foot, they all pointed their muzzles down. ;)

We covered the main types of zero's (25, 50 and 100) and had them all confirm their weapons POA/POI.

Next was stance, grip, different types of "ready" position (high, low, etc).

We covered three types of kneeling positions and prone. We also laid to rest the fact that the magazine can be used as a monopod when shooting in the prone position.

Much like the pistol class, most people learn to shoot by themselves and or by watching TV/Movies. They also tend to have ZERO idea what is quality and what isn't. "No, you don't have to buy everything UTG makes and strap it to your rifle."

All and all, the class went well and look forward to the next one in May.


C4


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C4IGrant
05-03-10, 12:07
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Jay Cunningham
05-03-10, 12:08
Cool!

:D

OneOneBravo
05-03-10, 12:31
Ohhhh, now you're just being cruel. See you at the handgun class this Friday.

C4IGrant
05-03-10, 12:45
Ohhhh, now you're just being cruel. See you at the handgun class this Friday.

The pistol class is on Saturday. You can of course show up on Friday, but I won't be there. :D


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OneOneBravo
05-03-10, 12:49
The pistol class is on Saturday. You can of course show up on Friday, but I won't be there. :D


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Wuss, real warriors show up a day early for the leaders recon. LOL (see you Saturday)

Littlelebowski
05-03-10, 12:54
How did the HK91 ( think that's what is) do?

C4IGrant
05-03-10, 12:58
How did the HK91 ( think that's what is) do?

It was a Cetme clone I believe (not sure if the owner even knew what it was).

The gun ran pretty well and the guy was one of the better shooters. We shot under 100rds though. I hope to see him at our next class.

I also told him that he was shooting a man's gun (.308). He got a laugh out of that.


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Mr. Smith
05-04-10, 11:07
It was a Cetme clone I believe (not sure if the owner even knew what it was).

The gun ran pretty well and the guy was one of the better shooters. We shot under 100rds though. I hope to see him at our next class.

I also told him that he was shooting a man's gun (.308). He got a laugh out of that.


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The class looks great

C4IGrant
06-01-10, 10:58
On Saturday, we finished our second DC2 class. A good turn out as usual with 22 shooters present.

We covered offset's again (as many forget about them), turns and the Emergency reloads.

Everyone learned something and had a good time.

I would like to thank Tusco Rifle Range for letting us use their facility and Sgt. Watson from the T-County SO for his assistance.


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C4IGrant
06-01-10, 11:01
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d90king
06-01-10, 11:26
Looks great! The more I see of others ranges the more I realize mine SUCKS. Nothing but NRA range nazi's.... I actually got asked to lock a bolt back on a rifle with no magazine that was in my rifle bag...:confused:

Looks like a great get together with much learned by those who participated. Nice job!

1911pro
06-01-10, 11:45
Thanks Grant and Ben. It was a great class. I am going to practice the mag change drill. Man was I slow. Beer can grip here I come. I want to be fast like Grant.

C4IGrant
06-01-10, 12:02
Looks great! The more I see of others ranges the more I realize mine SUCKS. Nothing but NRA range nazi's.... I actually got asked to lock a bolt back on a rifle with no magazine that was in my rifle bag...:confused:

Looks like a great get together with much learned by those who participated. Nice job!

The range we use is VERY big into the NRA (range of the year in 2008 I believe).

The club Presiident is very pro Defensive shooting and an AR15 fan. So when I approached him about doing these classes, they were all for it. Because of this, we are left alone to do whatever we want and no one has any heartburn.


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Looey
06-01-10, 12:03
That is awesome Grant, i wish there more classes like that to teach people how to be at least safe with a rifle, but it seems that you went way beyond that. totally cool, is that a couple of lefty's I see in the course?

C4IGrant
06-01-10, 12:03
Thanks Grant and Ben. It was a great class. I am going to practice the mag change drill. Man was I slow. Beer can grip here I come. I want to be fast like Grant.

Glad you liked it.

Fast like Grant is not really all that fast (FYI). ;)


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C4IGrant
06-01-10, 12:06
That is awesome Grant, i wish there more classes like that to teach people how to be at least safe with a rifle, but it seems that you went way beyond that. totally cool, is that a couple of lefty's I see in the course?

Thanks much.

We want people to get comfortable with the fundamentals so that they can take a professionally taught course and not feel like "that guy."

We have quite a few lefty shooters in the class. We really try to teach them the correct ways to run their guns (in a right handed world).


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OneOneBravo
06-01-10, 16:31
Thanks Grant, my wife and I had a blast. She can't wait for the next one. You and Ben are great and patient teachers who obviously love to teach gun stuff.:D

SeriousStudent
06-01-10, 18:53
Somebody's been passing out hats, I see. :D

zagzig
06-02-10, 23:50
Thanks much.

We want people to get comfortable with the fundamentals so that they can take a professionally taught course and not feel like "that guy."
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Grant,

Are you planning to have anymore of these classes? I'm 7 hours away, but would be more than willing to make the drive if you guys have room for another shooter. Maybe that sounds crazy, but there are no opportunities like this where I'm at (or at least I haven't found them yet). I'm somewhat new to the AR and I'm planning to take some classes, but sure would like the opportunity to cut my teeth at a gathering like the one you're having. Not only do I not want to be "that guy", but I want to be able to get the biggest bang for my buck when I shell out the cash for a class.

C4IGrant
06-03-10, 19:04
Grant,

Are you planning to have anymore of these classes? I'm 7 hours away, but would be more than willing to make the drive if you guys have room for another shooter. Maybe that sounds crazy, but there is no opportunities like this where I'm at (or at least I haven't found them yet). I'm somewhat new to the AR and I'm planning to take some classes, but sure would like the opportunity to cut my teeth at a gathering like the one you're having. Not only do I not want to be "that guy", but I want to be able to get the biggest bang for my buck when I shell out the cash for a class.

We teach pistol and carbine every month and you are welcome to come out. Next pistol is on the 12th.


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Complication
06-03-10, 20:26
We teach pistol and carbine every month and you are welcome to come out. Next pistol is on the 12th.


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Where and how does one go about signing up for these?

Shawn.L
06-03-10, 21:02
well done !

You deserve a round of applause. I love to see this kind of stuff happening.

C4IGrant
06-03-10, 23:25
Where and how does one go about signing up for these?

Pistol is coming up so just send us an e-mail. The pistol classes fill up the fastest (FYI).


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C4IGrant
06-03-10, 23:27
well done !

You deserve a round of applause. I love to see this kind of stuff happening.

Thanks much.


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Buckeye0311
06-08-10, 17:27
Grant,
First, what is the email address to use to sign up for the class? Second, how much ammo is shot on average? Third, how many mags need to be carried on the person for class? Thanks, as always you are awesome:D

C4IGrant
06-08-10, 17:36
Grant,
First, what is the email address to use to sign up for the class? Second, how much ammo is shot on average? Third, how many mags need to be carried on the person for class? Thanks, as always you are awesome:D

Sales@grtactical.com is fine.

Ammo used: 50-100rds.

Two mags.


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Buckeye0311
06-08-10, 18:54
Thanks Grant for the info. I cant make it to the june 12 class, but was wondering if the class in july will be around the same date. Thanks

C4IGrant
06-08-10, 19:56
Thanks Grant for the info. I cant make it to the june 12 class, but was wondering if the class in july will be around the same date. Thanks

Should be. Pistol is usually in the early part of the month and carbine later in the month.


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Sry0fcr
06-08-10, 20:16
Grant, good on you for taking the time to teach the fundamentals to new shooters. I wish I had sought instruction sooner. Once I gain enough knowledge I'm definitely going to do my best to pass it on.

GregoryJ333
06-14-10, 17:06
Has the next date been set for Carbine 101?

C4IGrant
06-14-10, 17:18
Has the next date been set for Carbine 101?

Not yet.


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jasonb
06-20-10, 17:09
Eagerly awaiting the next class.:D

C4IGrant
06-24-10, 09:34
Eagerly awaiting the next class.:D

Next class is 6/26/10 at 1700.



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jasonb
06-24-10, 10:23
Next class is 6/26/10 at 1700.



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Damn, weekend escape with the wife. Hopefully next time. Thanks!

Complication
06-30-10, 23:16
Went to my first Carbine on Friday. Can't emphasize how helpful it was just to get time to practice. Up here in Cleveland my range options are a 10-yard indoor range with strict rules or Grand River with 50 and 100 yard bench shooting (5.56 is banned on the 25 yard line because people have complained that it's "too loud"), so the chance to get out, do timed reloads, el presidente drills, etc. is invaluable. Besides this and Tactical Carbine Nights (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=55276), I never get to take my baby out to play.

Identified more gear issues (with a tac reload, some of my mags are just off enough that I don't have the leverage or grip to properly seat them, even downloaded to 28-rounds) which is both good and bad. Bad because 100% of my gear doesn't work flawlessly 100% of the time but good because it's better to find out what works and what doesn't when the bullets are only flying in one direction (at cardboard).

There were a few targets which didn't get any 5.56 attention during drills, so it'd be nice to see more folks come--I drive an hour and 45 minutes just to see Grant's rain mojo twice a month.

huklbrry
07-05-10, 22:47
now that certain things are in order, I plan on being a regular for both pistol and carbine nights. cya there!

devilsdeeds
07-06-10, 21:45
Is the schedule posted for this somewhere. I need to know a fair bit in advance as I would be driving 3.5+hrs to get to your area (I'm in NW PA).

C4IGrant
07-06-10, 21:59
Is the schedule posted for this somewhere. I need to know a fair bit in advance as I would be driving 3.5+hrs to get to your area (I'm in NW PA).

Not currently. We typically are only able to give about 5 days notice.


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devilsdeeds
07-07-10, 09:20
Not currently. We typically are only able to give about 5 days notice.


C4

Alright, keep us posted!

wes007
07-17-10, 19:47
As many of you have read, we taught a basic Defensive Pistol class at Tusco Rifle Club: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=52218

On April 30th, we started our Defensive Carbine class. Just like the pistol class, there is little to no carbine training going on in our area so we decided to do something about that.

Sgt. Watson of the T-County SO helped me run the class (which I am grateful for). We had about 24 shooters come out for our class. Like the pistol class, this one was FREE to the club members as well.

The week prior to the class, we saw a lot of the students come into our shop for mag pouches and slings. For whatever reason, they all had DPMS rifles. The castle nut on all of them were not staked. One came off with no effort and one of the others would NOT comes off with a cheater bar and heating it with a torch. :mad: I have no idea what DPMS did to this castle nut, but it ain't coming off. One more reason to not buy a DPMS. ;)

In the class, we discussed safety, operating in groups with a carbine and trigger finger discipline. There were about 3-4 Vietnam era slings (standard GI). Everyone wants to point their muzzles at their melon's! No idea why this is. So after asking them all if they wanted to shoot themselves in the head or the foot, they all pointed their muzzles down. ;)

We covered the main types of zero's (25, 50 and 100) and had them all confirm their weapons POA/POI.

Next was stance, grip, different types of "ready" position (high, low, etc).

We covered three types of kneeling positions and prone. We also laid to rest the fact that the magazine can be used as a monopod when shooting in the prone position.

Much like the pistol class, most people learn to shoot by themselves and or by watching TV/Movies. They also tend to have ZERO idea what is quality and what isn't. "No, you don't have to buy everything UTG makes and strap it to your rifle."

All and all, the class went well and look forward to the next one in May.


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After looking at the map I noticed that the range isnt outlandishly far from where I live( Lexington, KY). I'm obviously not a member of the club so what would pricing be/ ammo requirements? are you even allowing non members to attend?

Complication
07-17-10, 19:56
After looking at the map I noticed that the range isnt outlandishly far from where I live( Lexington, KY). I'm obviously not a member of the club so what would pricing be/ ammo requirements? are you even allowing non members to attend?

It's open to non-members, although Grant asks that you RSVP via e-mail once the date's set (just so they don't get overwhelmed). It's $10 for non-members (goes to the range) and whatever you feel like tipping Grant and Ben (who are doing this for free). But if you plan on shooting one of Grant's stakes, you better bring a extra $10 tip or so.

The last class I shot 50-55 rounds. But the classes build on one another, so the round counts might crawl upwards. 150 should give you way more than you need, but Grant's the one with the list of drills so he could give you a more solid number. (Make sure you bring an extra mag to keep empty for emergency reload drills, malfunction drills, etc.)

For what it's worth, during the most recent pistol class (yesterday) I think I went through a little under 100 rounds.

huklbrry
07-27-10, 13:02
Grant,
Any word if there will be a carbine class for July?

C4IGrant
07-28-10, 10:58
Grant,
Any word if there will be a carbine class for July?

We are having one this Saturday (31st) 3:30-6. Bring at least100rds with you.



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Complication
07-28-10, 10:59
I, for one, plan to be there.

Complication
07-31-10, 21:26
Good night tonight. Did transitions and 1-thru-5 drills. Found out some things (both good and bad) about my sling and identified some kinks in my stance that were f'ing me up on 3-, 4-, and 5-shot strings. More to work on.

Also a small group this month (12 shooters). It was nice for us because we could run a single string of shooters but there was definitely room for more folks.

Looking forward to the next session in August and the upcoming Pistol night.

Complication
07-31-10, 21:27
Hopefully there'll be some good headcam footage that doesn't embarrass anyone too much.

Stonebridge
08-01-10, 22:19
Speaking of headcam footage.... I couldn't find the youtube clips Grant was talking about yesterday. Anybody know where to find them? I think he said they were taken when he went down to Blackwater.

-'b

Complication
08-01-10, 22:22
They start 3 posts down:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=58026&page=3

C4IGrant
08-01-10, 22:23
Speaking of headcam footage.... I couldn't find the youtube clips Grant was talking about yesterday. Anybody know where to find them? I think he said they were taken when he went down to Blackwater.

-'b

Here is one. Look at the other ones in my account.

http://m.youtube.com/?xl=xl_blazer&xl=xl_blazer&client=mv-google&xl=xl_blazer#/watch?client=mv-google&xl=xl_blazer&v=CVQ-IWbWjRE



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Stonebridge
08-01-10, 22:29
Good stuff! Many thanks.

-'bridge

C4IGrant
08-01-10, 22:30
Hopefully there'll be some good headcam footage that doesn't embarrass anyone too much.


Me shooting 1-5 Drill at 5yds: http://contour.com/node/101288

Anne shooting 1-5 Drill at 25yds: http://contour.com/node/101290

Ralph shooting 1-5 Drill at 25yds: http://contour.com/node/101291

Complication shooting 1-5 Drill at 25yds: http://contour.com/node/101292

Me shooting 1-5 Drill at 25yds: http://contour.com/node/101296

Change shoulder drill: http://contour.com/node/101298



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Complication
08-01-10, 22:56
Good stuff. Helpful to see myself. Just glad you didn't shoot any footage of my 5-yard attempt.

C4IGrant
08-02-10, 10:35
Good stuff. Helpful to see myself. Just glad you didn't shoot any footage of my 5-yard attempt.


Ya, the videos turned out pretty well (except when I was shooting).

No vid of you shooting the 1-5 at 5yds. So are you going to mail me the $5 bucks or what??? :lol:



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Complication
08-02-10, 10:58
If you're so hard up for cash, feel free to take it out of the $10 tip I bring every time. Otherwise, you'll just have to wait for the next pistol class.

C4IGrant
08-02-10, 11:00
If you're so hard up for cash, feel free to take it out of the $10 tip I bring every time. Otherwise, you'll just have to wait for the next pistol class.

LOL, yep am hurtin for the cash!

I am uploading some more vids so check back.



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ralph
08-02-10, 17:20
Allright! I'm a internet star! It looks like I almost know what I'm doing..:eek: now there's a scary thought...:D Anyway, another great class,A few more drills to practice, a little more learned. Thanks to Grant and Ben.. I can't thank you two enough for doing these classes..

Alpha Sierra
08-05-10, 09:08
Any dates set for August or September?

C4IGrant
08-05-10, 10:09
Any dates set for August or September?

Pistol is usually the first or second Saturdays of a month and carbine is usually on the last Saturday of the month.

So pistol is coming up next.

Dates are generally only given out about 3-5 days prior to the event.



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C4IGrant
08-17-10, 12:04
Next Carbine class is:

When: 8/21/10
Time: 5-8PM
Where: 50yd Pistol Range

Please RSVP if you are coming. Bring a pistol (50rds) and 100rds for your carbine.


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huklbrry
08-17-10, 12:43
I'll be there.

huklbrry
08-22-10, 18:53
Thanks again to Sgt. Watson and Grant for taking time to teach others, especially during torrential downpours. I also want to thank everyone who made it possible for my being awarded the winner of "Best Wet T-Shirt" contest.:thank_you2:

huklbrry
10-08-10, 12:54
Grant, any date confirmation on the next Defensive Pistol or Carbine class this month?

fivefivesix
12-10-10, 01:13
tagging this so i can be informed of any new events. its not too far from me, looks to be an hour drive or so