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I'd like to stock up on a couple of lower parts kits to have a good supply of various spare parts. Does anyone sell Colt LPKs, or equal quality LPKs with the bureaucrat pins?
tiger seven
05-10-07, 08:50
S.A.W. does.
http://www.specializedarmament.com/catalog/Colt_Rifle_Parts-4-0.html
That's the only place I know of off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others, though.
Derek
Ouch, $175! I knew SAW was proud of their stuff, but that's a tough pill to swallow. Obviously, since I bought the Colt rifles to begin with I'm not averse to spending money to get good gear, but that seems excessive even to me.
Rob,
I have found the CMT/ Stag LPK to be excellent...:
http://jtacsupply.com/catalog/lower-parts-p-147.html
Mace
Rob,
I have found the CMT/ Stag LPK to be excellent...:
http://jtacsupply.com/catalog/lower-parts-p-147.html
Mace
I've heard good things about them too, but do they have the Colt large pin kits available?
Submariner
05-10-07, 11:14
I'd like to stock up on a couple of lower parts kits to have a good supply of various spare parts. Does anyone sell Colt LPKs, or equal quality LPKs with the bureaucrat pins?
Look at Brownells, particularly if you get the dealer discount.
I've done fairly well on EE over the years. YMMV.
Look at Brownells, particularly if you get the dealer discount.
From the schematic (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=807&m=3&mn=Colt%c2%ae&model=AR-15+Lower+Receiver+All+Models) it appears that they do sell everything, but I'd have to cherry-pic the parts and frankly I'd prefer to just get them all as a LPK just to be sure that everything is there.
ETA:
I went ahead and added everything they had listed except the acuwedge, pistol grip, and 9MM parts, and this is what I came up with (with discount)
160-308-100 SP62301 BOLT CATCH FOR 223/7.62 MODELS $16.00 $16.00 In Stock
160-308-102 SP95105 BOLT CATCH PIN $4.08 $4.08 In Stock
160-308-103 SP62178 BOLT CATCH PLUNGER $2.80 $2.80 In Stock
160-308-104 SP62177 BOLT CATCH SPRING $4.08 $4.08 In Stock
160-308-110 SP61582 BUFFER RETAINER $7.01 $7.01 In Stock
160-308-111 SP61694 BUFFER RETAINER SPRING $4.08 $4.08 In Stock
160-304-031 SP61564 EJECTOR FOR .223 & 7.62 MODELS $3.52 $3.52 In Stock
160-304-032 SP61569 EJECTOR SPRING/SELECTOR SPRING $3.52 $3.52 In Stock
160-308-146 SP61785 FIRE CONTROL SELECTOR DETENT $3.02 $3.02 In Stock
160-308-112 SP61604 MAG CATCH $12.49 $12.49 In Stock
160-308-130 SP62032 MAG RELEASE BUTTON $5.38 $5.38 In Stock
160-308-131 SP61759 MAG RELEASE BUTTON SPRING $3.02 $3.02 In Stock
160-308-151 SP90001 PISTOL GRIP LOCK WASHER $3.51 $3.51 In Stock
160-308-152 SP64554 PISTOL GRIP SCREW $4.56 $4.56 In Stock
160-308-121 SP66818 RECEIVER PIVIT PIN,.250" $7.02 $7.02 In Stock
160-308-120 SP66819 RECEIVER PIVOT PIN SCREW $8.37 $8.37 In Stock
160-308-140 SP61655 TAKE DOWN PIN $9.16 $9.16 In Stock
160-308-115 SP61698 TAKEDOWN PIN DETENT $3.50 $3.50 In Stock
160-308-114 SP61692 TAKEDOWN PIN DETENT SPRING $4.08 $4.08 In Stock
160-308-136 SP61970 TRIGGER GUARD ASSEMBLY $14.01 $14.01 In Stock
160-303-021 SP95101 WIND DRUM & TRIGGER GUARD PIN $2.84 $2.84 In Stock
160-308-135 SP95106 TRIGGER GUARD PIVOT PIN $2.82 $2.82 In Stock
160-308-138 SP61531 TRIGGER GUARD SPRING $2.82 $2.82 In Stock
160-308-109 SP61250 TRIGGER GUARD PLUNGER $1.76 $1.76 In Stock
Total Amount : $133.45
Still not cheap, but at least less than SAW.
Submariner
05-10-07, 13:23
Hoplite, Inc. P.O. Box 6599 Sheperdsville, KY 40165 502-955-5014
Rock-N-Ruin
05-10-07, 18:51
taken from brownells via the aforementioned link.
16 SP90001
160-308-151 Pistol Grip Lock Washer $4.39
That's one spendy ass lock washer!!! Yikes!!
I understand what genuine Colt parts mean, but that's a little too far out there, it must be unobtanium.
I never did wind up ordering all those parts. Thought I'd bump this in the meantime.
Ellery Holt
06-11-07, 16:19
taken from brownells via the aforementioned link.
16 SP90001
160-308-151 Pistol Grip Lock Washer $4.39
That's one spendy ass lock washer!!! Yikes!!
I understand what genuine Colt parts mean, but that's a little too far out there, it must be unobtanium.
Yes, but for those who wish to, "Keep their Colt a Colt," there's no other option.
[shrug]
Rock-N-Ruin
06-11-07, 18:24
Yes, but for those who wish to, "Keep their Colt a Colt," there's no other option.
[shrug]
Ohhhhhhhhhh, I agree 100% but I just have a little trouble justifying the cost of a lock washer when it's just a washer that colt had mass produced by another company anyway.. Just my opinion.. I think the rest of the LPK I would pay extra for, but I would probably be just as happy/safe with a SS lock washer from Lowes for $00.13.. JMO.... J.:D
Yes, but for those who wish to, "Keep their Colt a Colt," there's no other option.
[shrug]
huh? Colt makes that lock washer or roll pin?
Ellery Holt
06-11-07, 20:39
huh? Colt makes that lock washer or roll pin?
No, but you should see the quality control inspections that Colt puts them through. If it's just a range gun then sure, use a Tier-Two or Tier-Three washer. But for the guys who have to trust their lives... well, you know how the rest goes.
;)
some of those Colt parts prices are just to silly for words!
:eek: Billy
Colt inspects the washer under the grip screw and the roll pins?
Check out what it'd cost you to assemble an entire Colt M16 bolt group! :eek:
I am working on a LMT LPK (less the trigger and A2 grip) if anyone is interested. :D
C4
I am working on a LMT LPK (less the trigger and A2 grip) if anyone is interested. :D
C4
Only if it has the Colt diameter pins. ;)
I am working on a LMT LPK (less the trigger and A2 grip) if anyone is interested. :D
C4
i may be.
are we talking for sale?
forgive me,just to be clear for my sake....
that would include all of the lower internal parts?
approx how much?
i may be.
are we talking for sale?
forgive me,just to be clear for my sake....
that would include all of the lower internal parts?
approx how much?
It will be for sale, but won't know how much just yet.
A lot of times people do not want the following components in their LPK:
A2 Grip
Trigger/hammer
These items drive the cost a lot (well not the A2) and most people generally don't use them. So I thought I would order everything less these parts and put together a modified LPK for people that want LMT quality.
C4
sounds good.
i'd definately like to have some spare parts put back for my new LMT.
any ETA?
not that im in hurry,i wouldnt be able to pick anything up until next month at the earliest anyway.
sounds good.
i'd definately like to have some spare parts put back for my new LMT.
any ETA?
not that im in hurry,i wouldnt be able to pick anything up until next month at the earliest anyway.
Next week I should have them together.
C4
I would buy some kits like that Grant.
Love to get a few LPK's myself...keep us updated Grant and thank you!
I also would like 1-2 sets of the LMT LPK. How much?
won't know how much just yet.
hmmm...i need 5 characters to post.
that should do it.
toddackerman
10-19-07, 08:05
I'd be interested in an LMT LPKas well, with and without the FCG. Definitely not the A2 Grip.
Tack
What are you all subbing in there for the Trigger/Hammer? Some sissy two stage thing? ;)
What are you all subbing in there for the Trigger/Hammer? Some sissy two stage thing? ;)
Maybe Grant is intending to use the new non adjustable Geissele trigger ;)
What are you all subbing in there for the Trigger/Hammer? Some sissy two stage thing? ;)
I was actually just going to leave the triggers out for a couple reasons. The main one is that people often times switch out the trigger to something else. This way, they do not have the expense of paying for something they do not want.
I may, in the future offer LMT standard triggers for those that want them.
C4
Maybe Grant is intending to use the new non adjustable Geissele trigger ;)
Good chance of it! With that trigger only retailing at around $145, it will sell well with a LMT LPK I think.
C4
Good chance of it! With that trigger only retailing at around $145, it will sell well with a LMT LPK I think.
C4
Will you be stocking the Geissele non adjustable triggers?
Will you be stocking the Geissele non adjustable triggers?
Already on order.
C4
i was just going to buy another standard trigger(like it just fine) seperately to fill out a spare parts kit.
Grant, how much for the LMT LPK including the LMT Reg. Trigger?
Grant, how much for the LMT LPK including the LMT Reg. Trigger?
No idea yet.
C4
Ok, I have worked up some prices. The LPK's do not include the following items:
A2 grip
A2 screw
Hammer
Trigger
Hammer/trigger pins
Price should be around $45 I think.
C4
Ok, I have worked up some prices. The LPK's do not include the following items:
A2 grip
A2 screw
Hammer
Trigger
Hammer/trigger pins
Price should be around $45 I think.
C4
Are these in stock yet?
Thank you.
Are these in stock yet?
Thank you.
I have enough in right now to do a couple sets.
C4
Grant
I'd like to purchase LMT LPK with the non adjustable Geiselle trigger. I realize the triggers are not out yet but I'd like to pre-order one if I can.
Thanks
Paul
Grant, will you have triggers/hammers on hand for those that would want those added to a kit? Oh, and pins...
Grant, will you have triggers/hammers on hand for those that would want those added to a kit? Oh, and pins...
We have LMT triggers and hammers in stock now.
C4
Does anyone know exactly which parts vary from Colt to the others? Obviously the pins themselves, but what about the internal parts that these pins hold?
Presumably things like buffer retainers, all the springs, and the takedown pins and associated parts are all the same.
I seem to remember seeing a diagram somewhere once of exactly which pins are larger.
It strikes me that in actuality it's on the parts shown here (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=804&m=3&mn=Colt%c2%ae&model=AR-15+Fire+Control+Assembly+All+Models) that are different. Anyone know for sure?
Does anyone know exactly which parts vary from Colt to the others? Obviously the pins themselves, but what about the internal parts that these pins hold?
Presumably things like buffer retainers, all the springs, and the takedown pins and associated parts are all the same.
I seem to remember seeing a diagram somewhere once of exactly which pins are larger.
It strikes me that in actuality it's on the parts shown here (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=804&m=3&mn=Colt%c2%ae&model=AR-15+Fire+Control+Assembly+All+Models) that are different. Anyone know for sure?
You need to be looking for takedown pins that have a dark "marble" look to them when they are oiled. These are for sure quality. However some Colts have solid colored tan/brown pins.
Another thing to look for is the trigger/hammer springs on Colts are always silver (not gold) and the hammer spring doesn't have that 20 degree bend in it that goes around the hammer.
Furthermore, usually no spring in any Colt is gold colored. The magazine release spring is sometimes a light gold. Sometimes the disconnector spring is black. Everything else is usually silver.
I would order your large hammer/trigger pins from SAW or Brownells. Some other aftermarket large pins seem to be made rougher and have a cheaper blued finish.
A Colt bolt catch will never have any flash on it and you shouldn't see any offset at the parting line going through it. Most of them are marked with a letter or number or some other marking.
I would also strongly recommend a Type 1 hammer from SAW. These hammers don't have the slam fire notch cut in them. They are not cheap but they wear better and ride smoother. An LMT hammer would be good if you have small pins. They don't have the slam fire notch either.
Telling some of these parts apart is very difficult until you start looking at many of them and start noticing the minute differences in machining, forming, and finish.
ar_mcadams
02-09-08, 17:22
You need to be looking for takedown pins that have a dark "marble" look to them when they are oiled. These are for sure quality. However some Colts have solid colored tan/brown pins.
Another thing to look for is the trigger/hammer springs on Colts are always silver (not gold) and the hammer spring doesn't have that 20 degree bend in it that goes around the hammer.
Furthermore, usually no spring in any Colt is gold colored. The magazine release spring is sometimes a light gold.
I would order your large hammer/trigger pins from SAW or Brownells. Some other aftermarket large pins seem to be made rougher and have a cheaper blued finish.
A Colt bolt catch will never have any flash on it and you shouldn't see any offset at the parting line going through it. Most of them are marked with a letter or number or some other marking.
I would also strongly recommend a Type 1 hammer from SAW. These hammers don't have the slam fire notch cut in them. They are not cheap but they wear better and ride smoother. An LMT hammer would be good if you have small pins. They don't have the slam fire notch either.
Telling some of these parts apart is very difficult until you start looking at many of them and start noticing the minute differences in machining, forming, and finish.
I have also noticed the (stainless) springs in 6920s and have seen them like that in Stag LPK. I have also noticed the RRA LPK seems like good quality but they have the gold colored hammer spring and are stiffer than the Colt and Stag springs. Dont know if that really matters but I figured I throw that in. Now I just got another LPK directly from Stag and this one has the notchless hammer like LMT but this one came with the gold spring. It still has the correct stainless grip screw and the correct Stag style safty. The only thing I dont care for is the the pins are blued, not parked and are rolled pins instead of split pins.
I have also noticed the (stainless) springs in 6920s and have seen them like that in Stag LPK. I have also noticed the RRA LPK seems like good quality but they have the gold colored hammer spring and are stiffer than the Colt and Stag springs. Dont know if that really matters but I figured I throw that in. Now I just got another LPK directly from Stag and this one has the notchless hammer like LMT but this one came with the gold spring. It still has the correct stainless grip screw and the correct Stag style safty. The only thing I dont care for is the the pins are blued, not parked and are rolled pins instead of split pins.
I would not trust any blued hammer/trigger pins. DPMS uses blued hammer/trigger pins.
Hammer/trigger pins have alot of stress on them and is one of the last things I would cheap out on in an LPK.
They can break and jam themselves causing a potentially dangerous situation. If the carrier comes back forcefully after firing a round, the pin will take all the force and it could egg out your hammer pin hole in your lower.
I can't recall where it was, but someone posted some disconnector pictures that looked pretty crappy - rough around the edges. I've noticed that most parts kits I've gotten from various places not only look like that, but on close examination they all look to be produced on the same equipment. You can't really tell one apart from another. My Colt and LMT disconnectors have not looked like that.
Also, on the Stag LPK's - I've bought LPK's directly from Stag, as well as Colt parts from SAW. The selector switches were virtually identical - you can't tell them apart with a magnifying glass - but some of the other parts, the Colt ones seemed to be of better quality.
I had one Stag LPK with a hammer that had the face polished extensively, but it was wasn't ground perpendicular. Later hammers I got from them were a different style and were not polished.
Personally, what I've preferred to do is buy a couple LPK's from, say, Bravo Co, some spare parts kits/commonly lost parts kits from Bushmaster for springs and such, and Colt fire control parts, bolt catches, and roll pins. Possibly take-down pins, as well. I then cherry pick parts for my build and have a nice set of spares left over.
If there were LMT LPK's available I'd definitely go for those.
I can't recall where it was, but someone posted some disconnector pictures that looked pretty crappy - rough around the edges. I've noticed that most parts kits I've gotten from various places not only look like that, but on close examination they all look to be produced on the same equipment. You can't really tell one apart from another. My Colt and LMT disconnectors have not looked like that.
Also, on the Stag LPK's - I've bought LPK's directly from Stag, as well as Colt parts from SAW. The selector switches were virtually identical - you can't tell them apart with a magnifying glass - but some of the other parts, the Colt ones seemed to be of better quality.
I had one Stag LPK with a hammer that had the face polished extensively, but it was wasn't ground perpendicular. Later hammers I got from them were a different style and were not polished.
Personally, what I've preferred to do is buy a couple LPK's from, say, Bravo Co, some spare parts kits/commonly lost parts kits from Bushmaster for springs and such, and Colt fire control parts, bolt catches, and roll pins. Possibly take-down pins, as well. I then cherry pick parts for my build and have a nice set of spares left over.
If there were LMT LPK's available I'd definitely go for those.
Disconnector should be uniform with straight 90 edges.
I would also strongly recommend a Type 1 hammer from SAW. These hammers don't have the slam fire notch cut in them. They are not cheap but they wear better and ride smoother. An LMT hammer would be good if you have small pins. They don't have the slam fire notch either.
Wow. I didn't know the Type 1 hammer existed. Too bad SAW is so expensive.
Failure2Stop
02-11-08, 12:44
Disregard. I assumed by "bureacrat pins" you were implying .170 pins.
Apologies.
I was poking around SAW after reading this thread (I too have a lower in need of guts) and stumbled accross:
Lower receiver parts kit, Colt, .155, Semi (http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/LOWER_REC_PARTS_KIT_COLT_0_155_SEMI-262-4.html)
Would this be the "Holy Grail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail)" of LPKs? The price certainly seems to imply so.
Of course I have no idea if they are actually in stock or not.
It was referred to on page one of this thread.
The original intention of this thread was to find a company, even if not up to Colt quality and only of RRA/CMT quality, that made a complete lower receiver parts kit with the properly sized pins to fit in a Colt receiver.
Barring that, I'm still trying to figure out which actual parts/pins are affected in the Colt receiver by the different pin sizes and which parts are the same as everyone else.
ar_mcadams
02-11-08, 16:37
on stag kits sometimes the fcg pins are parked and sometimes blued. I also have a dpms kit that has parked pins but got it 4 years ago.
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