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SteyrAUG
05-19-10, 15:47
Medal for 'courageous restraint' plan get mixed review from troops (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/world/Medal-for-_courageous-restraint_-plan-get-mixed-review-from-troops-93007014.html)

Seriously, pull over...I want to get out.

:mad:

A proposal to grant medals for "courageous restraint" to troops in Afghanistan who avoid deadly force at a risk to themselves has generated concern among U.S. soldiers and experts who worry it could embolden enemy fighters and confuse friendly forces.

Lt. Col. Edward Sholtis, a spokesman for Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, who commands NATO forces in Afghanistan, said that no final decision has been made on the award, which is the brainchild of British Maj. Gen. Nick Carter.

"The idea is being reviewed at Headquarters ISAF," Sholtis said. "The idea is consistent with our approach. Our young men and women display remarkable courage every day, including situations where they refrain from using lethal force, even at risk to themselves, in order to prevent possible harm to civilians. ... That restraint is an act of discipline and courage not much different than those seen in combat actions."

However, professor Jeffrey F. Addicott, a former senior legal adviser to the Green Berets and director of the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University School of Law in San Antonio, said "It's an absolutely outrageous proposal to our fighting men.

"The implication of this award is that we do not engage in war fighting that is appropriate," Addicott said. "They're sending a chilling message to our troops that we are not complying with the law of armed conflict. It's a propaganda victory for our enemies."

Sholtis disputed that the award would limit troops' ability in the battlefield.

"We absolutely support the right of our forces to defend themselves," he said. "Valuing restraint in a potentially dangerous situation is not the same thing as denying troops the right to employ lethal force when they determine that it is necessary."

The medals proposal is consistent with NATO rules of engagement aimed at reducing civilian casualties in Afghanistan as a way to win the support of the populace. But some soldiers say rewarding "restraint" while risking their own lives is a troubling concept.

Some soldiers shrugged at the proposal. "It's good, but just like with valorous medals, guys are going to do the right thing because it is the right thing," said Army Lt. Joseph Cooper said. "I think our year in Maiwand [Afghanistan] has shown that in frightening and confusing moments the U.S. soldier will consistently make the right choice time after time."

But other soldiers saw the medal proposal as a reinforcement of troubling rules of engagement. "Unfortunately, we are being reduced to a police force," said another U.S. soldier. "There are troops that never leave Bagram or Kandahar airfield. ... Maybe if they left us all on base and never sent us out to confront the enemy, we could all be honored [for] valor."

aquajon
05-19-10, 15:55
Setting the stage to give CT AG Blumenthal a medal for dodging the draft.

Irish
05-19-10, 16:08
It's the end of the world as we know it...

dhrith
05-19-10, 16:17
"....which is the brainchild of British Maj. Gen. Nick Carter"


Hahhahahahahaha


rofl christ I can't stop laughing rofl

The next thing you know the damn french will try to one up them with the most theatrical surrender award.

Abraxas
05-19-10, 16:20
It's the end of the world as we know it...

This happened for me years ago

SteyrAUG
05-19-10, 16:20
"....which is the brainchild of British Maj. Gen. Nick Carter"


Hahhahahahahaha


rofl christ I can't stop laughing rofl

The next thing you know the damn french will try to one up them with the most theatrical surrender award.


For meritorious equipment conservation above and beyond the call of duty....

theblackknight
05-19-10, 16:29
McCrystal already said something along the lines of" we dont need medals for different types of courage". This subject was on Glen and Uncle Ted's radar at the convention.

Mjolnir
05-19-10, 21:13
British Maj. Gen. Nick Carter. Hmm, how about a meritorious medal of restraint for not putting our boots up his arse post haste? I'm all for that but I'd be much happier to offer McChrystal the Congressional Medal of Honor for the deed.

UN ISAF isn't that an abreviation for "United Nations I Saw Americans Fight?"

jklaughrey
05-19-10, 22:07
I think that if I was still active and they put me in for this geedunk BS that when presented to me at ceremony I would drop trousers and shit on it. How dare they give out medals like this. It seems apparent that now everyone feels entitled to a medal whether they were in harms way or not.

SteyrAUG
05-19-10, 22:17
This really is a soccer team "participation award" if I ever saw one.

Starting to make that Good Conduct medal seem like hardcore stuff.

:D

jklaughrey
05-19-10, 22:39
It is probably more like some cub scout merit badge, that kids can go home and say look mommy I am a real soldier. Personally, after I left the service all my uniforms and medals and gear went into a big foot locker that used to be my grandad's. And then some mothballs and and a padlock. Interestingly enough his uniforms are in there as well. Yes, Good Conduct is HARDCORE nowadays LOL.

120mm
05-19-10, 22:51
I thought this thread was killed last week.

Really, please kill this one, too.

rifleman2000
05-20-10, 07:26
Medal for 'courageous restraint' plan get mixed review from troops (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/world/Medal-for-_courageous-restraint_-plan-get-mixed-review-from-troops-93007014.html)

However, professor Jeffrey F. Addicott, a former senior legal adviser to the Green Berets and director of the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University School of Law in San Antonio, said "It's an absolutely outrageous proposal to our fighting men.

"The implication of this award is that we do not engage in war fighting that is appropriate," Addicott said. "They're sending a chilling message to our troops that we are not complying with the law of armed conflict. It's a propaganda victory for our enemies."

But other soldiers saw the medal proposal as a reinforcement of troubling rules of engagement. "Unfortunately, we are being reduced to a police force," said another U.S. soldier. "There are troops that never leave Bagram or Kandahar airfield. ... Maybe if they left us all on base and never sent us out to confront the enemy, we could all be honored [for] valor."

I like both responses.

CarlosDJackal
05-20-10, 11:12
I thought this thread was killed last week.

Really, please kill this one, too.

I was wondering where that original thread went to.