View Full Version : SEIU Mob outside your house and the police are afraid to intervene, what do you do?
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 17:11
I can't believe the non-news story about the SEUI surrounding the bank officials house and the police refusing to remove them from private property. The police are afraid of provoking the mob? What kind decent into madness are we going into if you can't control a mob in a middle class suburb? What is the tie between the local cops union and the SEIU? Would this had even made the news if Nena Easton from FoxNews wasn't a neigbor.
What do you do when the mob comes for you and the police stand by? I'll tell the cops they have 15 minutes to straighten it out or else I'm going out side and clear my property.
What do you think would happen if Tea Party people started descending on peoples houses? Would the press make it a non-story? Would the cops take a pass?
QuietShootr
05-20-10, 17:18
I can't believe the non-news story about the SEUI surrounding the bank officials house and the police refusing to remove them from private property. The police are afraid of provoking the mob? What kind decent into madness are we going into if you can't control a mob in a middle class suburb? What is the tie between the local cops union and the SEIU? Would this had even made the news if Nena Easton from FoxNews wasn't a neigbor.
What do you do when the mob comes for you and the police stand by? I'll tell the cops they have 15 minutes to straighten it out or else I'm going out side and clear my property.
What do you think would happen if Tea Party people started descending on peoples houses? Would the press make it a non-story? Would the cops take a pass?
Ha. I'm going to guess this didn't happen in Texas.
GermanSynergy
05-20-10, 17:29
We live in surreal times.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 17:30
Ha. I'm going to guess this didn't happen in Texas.
What is the biggest riot in Texas history?
This is "High Noon" stuff. I'm wondering if a few smoke grenades might be good to have around. Are there civy versions of flash-bangs?
It's a shame they didn't pull this shit in a no-retreat state :D
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,593282,00.html
Fortune (http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/19/news/companies/SEIU_Bank_of_America_protest.fortune/index.htm) and CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/19/news/companies/SEIU_Bank_of_America_protest.fortune/index.htm) reported on it. Same story at both links. Fox (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4205484/political-protest-or-harassment?playlist_id=86858) did a short video segment on it.
I didn't read or see anything in any story that talks about what the police did or didn't do. You have any other links?
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 17:49
Link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/16/class-warfare-hundreds-pr_n_578015.html?page=29&show_comment_id=47393269#comment_47393269
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4205484/political-protest-or-harassment
I saw a snipet this morning about it and watched Beck about it this afternoon.
I'm just dreaming of opening the dormer windows on that house and just raining down OC on the crowd below. My very own Thermopylae.
"Get. Off. MY. LAWN!!"
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsf-XsC18IQ&feature=player_embedded
Disparity of force? I would be in fear for my family's safety at that point in time. I'm not saying to go out shooting but what would your options be? They're already destroying private property and trespassing.
Engage hostile threats as presented.
kaiservontexas
05-20-10, 18:05
Engage hostile threats as presented.
Agreed
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 18:05
Fortune (http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/19/news/companies/SEIU_Bank_of_America_protest.fortune/index.htm) and CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/19/news/companies/SEIU_Bank_of_America_protest.fortune/index.htm) reported on it. Same story at both links. Fox (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4205484/political-protest-or-harassment?playlist_id=86858) did a short video segment on it.
I didn't read or see anything in any story that talks about what the police did or didn't do. You have any other links?
First hand account of police intimidation.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/05/huge-mob-of-sei.html
Third paragraph of Nina's subtext.
Now this event would accurately be called a "protest" if it were taking place at, say, a bank or the U.S. Capitol. But when hundreds of loud and angry strangers are descending on your family, your children, and your home, a more apt description of this assemblage would be "mob." Intimidation was the whole point of this exercise, and it worked-even on the police. A trio of officers who belatedly answered our calls confessed a fear that arrests might "incite" these trespassers.
The next time the Po-po gets in my face maybe I'll just tell them to chill and not to incite me. Yea, that will work. :rolleyes:
Grayling14
05-20-10, 18:14
What is the biggest riot in Texas history?
This is "High Noon" stuff. I'm wondering if a few smoke grenades might be good to have around. Are there civy versions of flash-bangs?
ammunitiontogo.com offers a legal 'flash-bang diversionary device training system' $140; and several colors of smoke grenades in rubber ball and canister form $40.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/05/huge-mob-of-sei.html
Make sure to watch the video with Obama addressing SEIU on that link. :mad:
hmmm
if I was a bank exec and that happened to me ?
I might take my family get them to safety after all those people might be trying to kill me and what if they caused a gas leak in my house !
would be a bummer if it happened would be even worse if it then blew up ! taking the whole angry mob with them !
I'm just dreaming of opening the dormer windows on that house and just raining down OC on the crowd below. My very own Thermopylae.
"Get. Off. MY. LAWN!!"
Yeah but who plans for a crowd like this showing up on your lawn and not really presenting much of a threat but just trespassing and doing minor property damage?
Sounds like a nightmare.
If you were prepared for it it could be real entertaining I suppose, but probably ends up with them doing even more damage to your property while the cops look on:
http://www.defensedevices.com/foxlabonepou.html
500 people on my front lawn? I don't have that many pair of handcuffs but I've got lots of rope and extension cords. I'd go out there and video myself telling them to leave and when they didn't I'd start making arrests. And if any of them resisted....... shame on them. This kind of shit really boils my blood. 500 people on your lawn are going to mess stuff up as well and then they aren't going to be expected to pay for it either. Not at my house.
QuietShootr
05-20-10, 18:52
Yeah but who plans for a crowd like this showing up on your lawn and not really presenting much of a threat but just trespassing and doing minor property damage?
Sounds like a nightmare.
If you were prepared for it it could be real entertaining I suppose, but probably ends up with them doing even more damage to your property while the cops look on:
http://www.defensedevices.com/foxlabonepou.html
And people wonder why a dozen of these around are a good idea.
http://www.hardcoretactical.com/imgs/product/bigs/CTS_600_5230.jpg
I prefer the ones on the right for general purpose use.
1) Turn house HVAC system off
2) Run around house tossing canisters out windows
3) Pour beverage of your choice
4) PROFIT!
ForTehNguyen
05-20-10, 19:45
I need a direct tap to the 150 psi water system and a fire hose :D
The_War_Wagon
05-20-10, 19:49
"Good news honey - the enemy has surounded us! Draw a rifle, and draw a bead - we can't miss!" :D
Now THAT'S what I call, a 'target-rich enviroment!' ;)
So much for 911.
Is there anyone who does not understand what the Second Amendment is about NOW?
(Sadly--yes.)
Screw 911 we dial 1911 :D
I've dealt with SEIU thugs up close and personal. Last August I went to a town hall meeting held by one of our US Representatives (Dem) discussing the healthcare debate. Outside the auditorium were two buses, one with the Obama "Organizing for America" wording and logo, and the other bus was unmarked. While we were waiting in line, purple shirted SEIU organizers were working the crowd trying to gather info on who was attending, where did they live (if they were in the District), etc.
Most folks got irritated and told these "organizers" to beat it. When they got to me I just ignored them and continued my conversation with the person next to me. We found out that the SEIU organizers were from out of State, bused in for the town hall.
I have never seen anything like that before, and when do we have organized labor goons screening attendees for a political event? Is this what they call: "The New Norm"?
OH58D
And people wonder why a dozen of these around are a good idea.
http://www.hardcoretactical.com/imgs/product/bigs/CTS_600_5230.jpg
I prefer the ones on the right for general purpose use.
1) Turn house HVAC system off
2) Run around house tossing canisters out windows
3) Pour beverage of your choice
4) PROFIT!
you forgot 5) break out video camera for memories:D
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 20:52
Yeah but who plans for a crowd like this showing up on your lawn and not really presenting much of a threat but just trespassing and doing minor property damage?
Who is prepared for a large crowd showing up at your door? Probably more M4C guys than you'd think. The disaster preparedness forum has got me thinking about things besides guns and water. Having some smoke for marking, cover or diversion makes some sense. Throw in a flash bang and I think most SEUI guys are going to head for the buses.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 20:54
That is about as close to a zombie shoot as you are going to get.
Who is prepared for a large crowd showing up at your door? Probably more M4C guys than you'd think. The disaster preparedness forum has got me thinking about things besides guns and water. Having some smoke for marking, cover or diversion makes some sense. Throw in a flash bang and I think most SEUI guys are going to head for the buses.
Here's a tip.
Maritime rescue smoke (orange) is usually about 1/4 the price of a smoke grenade and pretty much the same thing. Instead of a pin and a spoon, you pull two strings with rings.
Nearly identical smoke output, concentration and consistency with the bonus of not looking like one of those "survival nuts." When you can buy four for the price of one, you can quickly stockpile enough to smoke out your entire block a few times and then some.
rickrock305
05-20-10, 21:20
what i find very strange and screwed up in this whole thing is the police wouldn't do anything about it! WTF!?!?!?! These people were clearly breaking the law, trespassing, child endangerment, etc. :mad:
thopkins22
05-20-10, 21:24
What is the biggest riot in Texas history?
This is "High Noon" stuff. I'm wondering if a few smoke grenades might be good to have around. Are there civy versions of flash-bangs?
I'm pretty sure the deadliest riot in Texas history happened in my neighborhood.:eek: I'm also about 90% sure that it's the reason they stopped admitting black people into the army during WW1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Logan
ETA: Looking at that groups other videos I found one titled "This Is What Democracy Looks Like." At first I thought it was outrageous, but I realized that they're correct. Democracy IS mob rule. I'm reminded of the quote "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Liberty is an armed lamb contesting the vote."
Honestly it's people like these that make me so apathetic towards people who have been foreclosed on.
Here's the video I'm talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shiAP8_WxxY
Here's a tip.
Maritime rescue smoke (orange) is usually about 1/4 the price of a smoke grenade and pretty much the same thing. Instead of a pin and a spoon, you pull two strings with rings.
Nearly identical smoke output, concentration and consistency with the bonus of not looking like one of those "survival nuts." When you can buy four for the price of one, you can quickly stockpile enough to smoke out your entire block a few times and then some.
Retailer? Searched but did not come up with a source.
Thanks
Buckaroo
Who is prepared for a large crowd showing up at your door? Probably more M4C guys than you'd think. The disaster preparedness forum has got me thinking about things besides guns and water. Having some smoke for marking, cover or diversion makes some sense. Throw in a flash bang and I think most SEUI guys are going to head for the buses.
Could you point me to some of those threads? The search function doesn't appear to be working for me.
One thing that occurred to me about the CS and smoke grenade idea is that many of them are exothermic and I don't know if they would get hot enough to start the house on fire if thrown back.
That is about as close to a zombie shoot as you are going to get.
Not really because all it is is a group of unarmed people trespassing while "peacefully protesting" outside your house, and, as others pointed out, probably taking place in a jurisdiction where some kind of duty to retreat before using force exists. To make things worse the cops are standing nearby allowing it to happen while at the same time providing the illusion of safety so that whatever you do looks less reasonable than it really is.
It isn't a situation where they are clearly there to hurt people directly or indirectly by stealing supplies you need to live.
what i find very strange and screwed up in this whole thing is the police wouldn't do anything about it! WTF!?!?!?! These people were clearly breaking the law, trespassing, child endangerment, etc. :mad:
you mean like eric holder and other obama people that break the law ?
remember they are immune its only if you are a tea party or speak against him you are causing problems
I'd begin by turning on the sprinklers. That would at least take the comfort factor down a level for them.
Or just "Release the Hounds." as Mr. Burns would do.
If I had a mob as such around my house and the police refused to do anything, I'd load up the holster with my .45 on it, grab my M1A and mag's, and have a version of, "get off my lawn" myself.
thopkins22
05-20-10, 21:55
Retailer? Searched but did not come up with a source.
Thanks
Buckaroo
The Orion ones are available from places like West Marine.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=97606&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=10107&subdeptNum=10557&classNum=10558
Comet Marine is another well known brand and appear to have more options.
http://www.comet-pyro.de/AllProduct.aspx
rickrock305
05-20-10, 22:38
you mean like eric holder and other obama people that break the law ?
remember they are immune its only if you are a tea party or speak against him you are causing problems
:rolleyes:
you mean like eric holder and other obama people that break the law ?
remember they are immune its only if you are a tea party or speak against him you are causing problems
Yeah, like the quashed PA case of the Black Panthers clearly involved in voter intimidation brandishing clubs outside a polling center in Philly.
No double standards involved here!
:rolleyes:
arbninftry
05-20-10, 23:10
So this happened once, this could be something we could start seeing more. Granted not in an area where everyone has a gun, but when does an incident like this get bloody. I would drop a prick if I felt threatened, but doing this you probably made a martyr for the SEIU or whatever groups cause. Where are we really headed, and when will cooler heads not prevail.
Most of the actual "burning" grenades (there area few non-incendiary types for special use) will be hot enough that if someone grabs it without gloves they will lose some skin, that doesnt mean I would not be concerned about it being thrown back. I would simply recommend having some gloves on if you are getting into a game of hot potato.
The other option, depending on your locale of course, is an OC fire extinguisher type delivery device. Although they are more expensive than a handful of grenades, they can not be thrown back.
I would recommend having a mask though to stay functional throughout application from either of these methods
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-20-10, 23:53
Could you point me to some of those threads? The search function doesn't appear to be working for me.
One thing that occurred to me about the CS and smoke grenade idea is that many of them are exothermic and I don't know if they would get hot enough to start the house on fire if thrown back.
Can't remember if I read about the use of smoke there, but I started to think about movement, dealing with crowds and operating in the urban environment and came to the realization that smoke could come in handy.
Not really because all it is is a group of unarmed people trespassing while "peacefully protesting" outside your house, and, as others pointed out, probably taking place in a jurisdiction where some kind of duty to retreat before using force exists. To make things worse the cops are standing nearby allowing it to happen while at the same time providing the illusion of safety so that whatever you do looks less reasonable than it really is.
It isn't a situation where they are clearly there to hurt people directly or indirectly by stealing supplies you need to live.
It is Zombie like in that there are hundreds of brain dead people swarming your house. Being mobbed by SEUI people is as close to a Zombie mob as you are going to get.
Isnt this what OBAMANATION is all about. Fools for the unions - that is the only place they feel at home, almost like a gang.
Honestly - take them out - not worth wasted time to try and reform.
Maritime gas makes most sense but pepper spracy seems most fun.
kihnspiracy
05-21-10, 00:08
Bang, bang, bang. Reload. repeat as necessary.
What do you do when the mob comes for you and the police stand by? I'll tell the cops they have 15 minutes to straighten it out or else I'm going out side and clear my property.
Release the dobermans?
Shoot those rubber ball shotgun shells?
Cook some really smelly Indian curry dish?
Play some recorded Obama speeches really, really loud?
Play some recorded Obama speeches really, really loud?
Wouldn't they like that? Might end up attracting more.
No, no, no, you're doing it wrong.
To ward off hippies and commies, you play Reagan's speeches. Churchill would also be a good option...
kaiservontexas
05-21-10, 01:21
You know flame throwers are not regulated in most states and have zero federal regulation. Just a thought as I saw one at a gun show once.
Retailer? Searched but did not come up with a source.
Thanks
Buckaroo
I found these locally at a Boating supply store and bought several cases.
http://www.dssmarine.com/NORDMar/det_distress_smokesig1320.html
They are the best ones I've come across.
OK, best price I've found is smokegrenade.net
They are about $6.00 each but only sold in lots of 300.
Group buy anyone?
No, no, no, you're doing it wrong.
To ward off hippies and commies, you play Reagan's speeches. Churchill would also be a good option...
I always found breaking out the car wash attachment on my hose and threatening them with a "cleaning" is an effective deterrent.
I always found breaking out the car wash attachment on my hose and threatening them with a "cleaning" is an effective deterrent.
I've got a pressure washer...
what about human waste ?
throw it all over the crowd could be fun :)
mix it up nicely first and ad some stuff to it especially good if you have a two story house with a balcony ! step out start yelling can you please gather around I have something to share with you !!!!
then pick up the 5 gallon bucket and share it with them :)
They aren't just in his yard...they are actually ON HIS FRONT PORCH!
I would be so hard pressed to maintain my cool in that situation, especially if the wife and kids were home with me and the police basically say to you "you're on your own man".:(
I think I will be investing in a hand crank for my semi-1919a4.
variablebinary
05-21-10, 02:56
Reality is, you wouldnt be able to do anything other than suck it up.
If you use anything non lethal, you will get sued. If you use lethal, you'll go to jail.
There are asymmetric methodologies you could utilize to deal with the problem and inoculate yourself from liability, but we wont discuss those here ;)
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-21-10, 03:06
Who thought castle doctrine would entail the use of a moat.
Where is Hit Girl when you need her. ;)
God, I love that movie. Since my wife is never going to see it, she might not figure out the purple wig I bought her....
Any one planning on using any type of "smoke grenade" in a city needs to check the laws, in most cases it can be considered an incendiary device and that's a felony in most states.
Would suck to lose your rights and a shit load of money over popping some smoke.
I hate Illinois nazis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhozx819izU
QuietShootr
05-21-10, 06:26
you forgot 5) break out video camera for memories:D
No, I didn't...it just reads
5) Log into secure offsite server to retrieve video from existing cameras
6) post on M4carbine for the lulz
Submariner
05-21-10, 07:14
Now this event would accurately be called a "protest" if it were taking place at, say, a bank or the U.S. Capitol. But when hundreds of loud and angry strangers are descending on your family, your children, and your home, a more apt description of this assemblage would be "mob." Intimidation was the whole point of this exercise, and it worked-even on the police. A trio of officers who belatedly answered our calls confessed a fear that arrests might "incite" these trespassers.
Actions do have consequences.
At least this banker, like most bankers, still has his home, unlike many who lost their homes to the bankers. When people make bad choices they lose money/homes. When bankers make bad choices, they get government money. Privatize the profits; socialize the losses.
If this was in DC, then the scene was probably more like something out of Zulu.:D
It's tough to know who to cheer for here. Maybe the cops.
ForTehNguyen
05-21-10, 07:38
got blank firing ammo, they will crap their pants :D
John_Wayne777
05-21-10, 07:42
Ideas about throwing out tear gas and smoke grenades sound fun, but if you're living in a place so messed up that the cops refuse to take action against a mob on your front porch, you can rest assured that you will be well and truly screwed if you use any level of force or do anything that could possibly be construed as an assault.
Stuff like this is why the founders never wanted a democracy.
I'm also forced to wonder how the authorities would react if a similar mob formed on a sex offender's property. Somehow I think it would get a very different...and more proactive...reaction.
QuietShootr
05-21-10, 07:51
Ideas about throwing out tear gas and smoke grenades sound fun, but if you're living in a place so messed up that the cops refuse to take action against a mob on your front porch, you can rest assured that you will be well and truly screwed if you use any level of force or do anything that could possibly be construed as an assault.
This is all location dependent, of course. At my current location, the cops would probably either A) already be at my house hanging out when the mob arrived or B) sitting at the end of the street giggling waiting to see what I'd do next.
If I still lived in the PRNJ, I'd pick up my BOB and go-box with irreplaceable papers and leave, and let them burn the place down. Any other course of action would result in ME going to jail.
ForTehNguyen
05-21-10, 08:05
SEIU has some huge debt with Bank of America:
http://biggovernment.com/libertychick/2010/05/21/as-seiu-terrorizes-bank-employees-son-huffpo-and-mediamatters-omit-deadbeat-unions-90-million-debt/
Moose-Knuckle
05-21-10, 08:16
Sounds like a target rich environment...
I'd have fun with the bastards...probably go out on my lawn butt as naked wearing only a gas mask with my "riot-gun" in hand. :cool:
At least this banker, like most bankers, still has his home, unlike many who lost their homes to the bankers. When people make bad choices they lose money/homes. When bankers make bad choices, they get government money. Privatize the profits; socialize the losses.
you could blame the banks; they took advantage of the buying frenzy climate created by bush, the repub controlled congress, the repub controlled senate, greenspan, etc., etc., etc. yes..., all creaters of the adjustable rate mortgage, sub prime market, interest only loads, etc. pull the string further and you're into the clinton adminstration also.
QuietShootr
05-21-10, 10:56
Another one for my ignore list.
Back to the topic at hand: Holy shit - there were 500 of them, and they were up on this guy's house! I do not think I would react in a civilized fashion to that.
Submariner
05-21-10, 11:06
got blank firing ammo, they will crap their pants :D
Depending on your jurisdiction, you might be charged with assault or brandishing a firearm.
Ridge_Runner_5
05-21-10, 11:24
Walk out to the front porch with the biggest, scariest gun I have, and politely ask them to leave.
Nathan_Bell
05-21-10, 12:03
you could blame the banks; they took advantage of the buying frenzy climate created by bush, the repub controlled congress, the repub controlled senate, greenspan, etc., etc., etc. yes..., all creaters of the adjustable rate mortgage, sub prime market, interest only loads, etc. pull the string further and you're into the clinton adminstration also.
Keep pulling and you get back to Johnson, Kennedy, and FDR.
hard to say how I would react. I know I wouldn't just start opening up with a gun (unless they decide to storm the house, then I have no problems pulling the trigger).
Reality is, you wouldnt be able to do anything other than suck it up.
If you use anything non lethal, you will get sued. If you use lethal, you'll go to jail.
There are asymmetric methodologies you could utilize to deal with the problem and inoculate yourself from liability, but we wont discuss those here ;)
Perhaps in your state, FL gives you a lot more discretion.
Any one planning on using any type of "smoke grenade" in a city needs to check the laws, in most cases it can be considered an incendiary device and that's a felony in most states.
Would suck to lose your rights and a shit load of money over popping some smoke.
Another bonus for the maritime rescue smokes. They don't get hot so I don't think they qualify.
A friend sent me an e-mail the other day that included this helpful bit:
WASP SPRAY
A friend who is a receptionist in a church in a high risk area was concerned about someone coming into the office on Monday to rob them when they were counting the collection. She asked the local police department about using pepper spray and they recommended to her that she get a can of wasp spray instead.
The wasp spray, they told her, can shoot up to twenty feet away and is a lot more accurate, while with the pepper spray, they have to get too close to you and could overpower you. The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an antidote. She keeps a can on her desk in the office and it doesn't attract attention from people like a can of pepper spray would. She also keeps one nearby at home for home protection...
Thought this was interesting and might be of use.
It's also got the advantage of being "non tactical" household item, so a prosecutor would have a more difficult time painting you as some kind of "right wing militia gun nut" spoiling for a fight. Nest full of wasps ~ bus full of SEIU thugs, the only difference I can see is that the wasps actually fill a needed niche in the natural order.:rolleyes:
One of the reasons pepper spray is considered a low level of force is it doesn't permanently harm the person sprayed.
Can you say the same about wasp spray? I have no idea what is in wasp spray and what it will do to eyes. Be careful of these kinds of chain emails.
the Bamster
05-21-10, 15:47
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Watching your buddy light that one off in a crowd of SEIU thugs......priceless!
Actions do have consequences.
At least this banker, like most bankers, still has his home, unlike many who lost their homes to the bankers. When people make bad choices they lose money/homes. When bankers make bad choices, they get government money. Privatize the profits; socialize the losses.
If this was in DC, then the scene was probably more like something out of Zulu.:D
It's tough to know who to cheer for here. Maybe the cops.
I have no sympathy for people who get in over their head and also feel the banks should not be bailed out either !!!
but to say bankers took peoples homes ? you mean people got greedy and wanted more and bigger and signed knowing they were getting in over their head and they lost !!!!
Reality is, you wouldnt be able to do anything other than suck it up.
If you use anything non lethal, you will get sued. If you use lethal, you'll go to jail.
There are asymmetric methodologies you could utilize to deal with the problem and inoculate yourself from liability, but we wont discuss those here ;)
I wonder maybe where it was each state might be dif though ? if the police said you are on your own and wont protect you its hard to say if you had to take action what would happen in the long run ? but lots of issues along the way
sadly the police should have handled it if they can handle riots they could have handled this one !
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-21-10, 18:21
http://bigjournalism.com/acary/2010/05/21/d-c-metro-police-escorted-seiu-protesters-to-greg-baers-home/
THEY HAD POLICE ESCORT!
WTF! You have to be kidding me? What are you going to do when a mob shows up on your front yard AND THEY HAVE POLICE ESCORT! No power to stop the protestors, but how much you want to bet they'll step in to defend the protestors. This stinks to high heaven.
Can some of our LEO friends give the next DC Metro cop they see a bitch slap? Law to lawlessness enforcer. If you want to get into the enforcer business, work for the mob.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-21-10, 18:27
Sucks to be a BOA guy. BOA corporate guys, the real big wigs, don't live on public streets, and how much personal protection detail do they have. This will happen to mid-management to sub C-level guys, and BOA will tell them that they should just grin and bear it- BOA doesn't want the bad press of someone defending their property and lives.
Littlelebowski
05-21-10, 18:33
Sprinklers and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi5FVs63Jo&feature=related
Littlelebowski
05-21-10, 18:41
I sent a note to the Huffington Post "reporter" who also works at SEIU:
Subject: In the spirit of Edward R Murrow?
Or carrying over your day job at SEIU to "reporting?"
Hypocrite. Thanks for doing your bit to make this country more like Greece, run into the ground by your union masters.
I don't have the words to convey my contempt for you, you cowardly little intellectual pauper. You're not a reporter, you're a propagandist.
I sent a note to the Huffington Post "reporter" who also works at SEIU:
Well said!
Actions do have consequences.
At least this banker, like most bankers, still has his home, unlike many who lost their homes to the bankers. When people make bad choices they lose money/homes. When bankers make bad choices, they get government money. Privatize the profits; socialize the losses.
If this was in DC, then the scene was probably more like something out of Zulu.:D
It's tough to know who to cheer for here. Maybe the cops.
Which cops would those be? The DC Metro JBTs who escorted 500 people to a private home to protest on private property while a 14 year old child was terrified inside the house or the Maryland police who stood idly by while 500 people surrounded a private home to protest or private property while a 14 year old child was terrified inside the house for fear of "inciting" a riot if any action was taken?
Sorry, if you want to protest a bank, then protest at the bank. That lawyer didn't personally kick these people out of their houses.
kaiservontexas
05-21-10, 20:35
Cops fail then it is zombie time, sorry I had to say it. It sucks to even think it.
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-21-10, 21:30
State sponsored terrorism.
I can pretty safely say that this would not happen in Kentucky and and I know I would act differently than the cops that were there.
Personally, if 500 people are surrounding my house, on my porch, I am in fear for my own life as well as anyone else in the house.
Also, Kentucky law allows the use of deadly force to prevent arson. I'm pretty sure I saw someone in the crowd light a fire. Maybe it was just a cigarette, but I thought different. Just sayin.
I can pretty safely say that this would not happen in Kentucky and and I know I would act differently than the cops that were there.
Personally, if 500 people are surrounding my house, on my porch, I am in fear for my own life as well as anyone else in the house.
Also, Kentucky law allows the use of deadly force to prevent arson. I'm pretty sure I saw someone in the crowd light a fire. Maybe it was just a cigarette, but I thought different. Just sayin.
This part of Missouri, too. MO law also allows use of deadly force to prevent arson. If just one of those SEIU a-holes lit a match or...
...since fireworks are legal in MO, say a homeowner felt like setting off a couple smoke bombs on his property and some trespasser picked one of said smoke bombs up and threw it at (or on) the homeowner's residence. There may be a justification for prevention of attempted arson at that point.
this is a SHTF i am not prepared for lol. with only 5 30rd mags and 1 20rd mag loaded for my mk18 clone, thats only 170rds to fire at 500 people.
i guess i could use some help from my sister and have her shoot the 10/22 lol.
Sounds like a job for our departments peperbal gun..:cool:
Like said before, this wouldnt happen in Texas.
WOW so the DC police escorted the protesters then did not make them leave when the homeowner asked ?
OK have to say I wonder now even more so whats going on ? were these cops hand picked ? or are the DC police all like this ? are the DC police somehow related to this union ? makes me wonder if things start hitting the fan if some will take the side of the other union SEIU obama types ! Oh I guess we found out that some will !!!!
this alone is pretty scary that the police sides with the SEIU thugs and wont help a private property owner ?
where is obama saying they acted stupidly ???
I wonder when the next civil war is going to break out ?
Sprinklers and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi5FVs63Jo&feature=related
hmmm sprinkler bypass valve :)
I use the bypass valve to put fertilizer on my lawn !
spray em with ?????
Bad can turn to worse pretty quick when the usual agencies aren't answering the phone.
Different names, same bastards.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=45134736
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918-19
It would take nearly every scintilla of self-restraint I had to refrain from breaking out the suppressed 77/22 and taking aim at a few of those morbidly-obese buttocks.
It would take nearly every scintilla of self-restraint I had to refrain from breaking out the suppressed 77/22 and taking aim at a few of those morbidly-obese buttocks.
Im thinking a 325 gr slug from a 45/70 backed by 52 grs of RL7 and see how many bodies it takes to slow it down, while the wife loads pmags
QuietShootr
05-22-10, 09:19
It would take nearly every scintilla of self-restraint I had to refrain from breaking out the suppressed 77/22 and taking aim at a few of those morbidly-obese buttocks.
I have one too, (a suppressed 77/22, not morbidly obese buttocks) and I fear I would not be equal to that challenge.
popsss...WHOP! "Ow, Shaniqua, my ass be hurtin!"
Would love to call for an air or artillery strike "danger close" but since that`s not an option, I personally would like to think I`d answer the door with a cup of coffee in my hand and my AR-15 with a single point sling attachment over my chest and one of my 1911A1`s on my hip. May the good lord help them after that because I`m a real bear when my coffee is interupted.:D
dont know how that propane bottle blew up ?
it just rolled off my porch and down the stairs into the grass then just blew up ?
I think if I was bank execs ? I might be going for that new landscape look of punji sticks :)
but would cover it up so the neighbors would not see it :)
WOW so the DC police escorted the protesters then did not make them leave when the homeowner asked ?
OK have to say I wonder now even more so whats going on ? were these cops hand picked ? or are the DC police all like this ? are the DC police somehow related to this union ? makes me wonder if things start hitting the fan if some will take the side of the other union SEIU obama types ! Oh I guess we found out that some will !!!!
this alone is pretty scary that the police sides with the SEIU thugs and wont help a private property owner ?
where is obama saying they acted stupidly ???
I wonder when the next civil war is going to break out ?
Those officers and departments need investigated. At the very least they could've called for back up from the fire department and sprayed the mob with a hose :D
"Good news honey - the enemy has surounded us! Draw a rifle, and draw a bead - we can't miss!" :D
Now THAT'S what I call, a 'target-rich enviroment!' ;)
I keep hearing comments like these from a lot of folks. I hope none of you guys posting this stuff ever gets into a shooting. Wether its a good shoot or a bad shoot either way the prosecuting attorney will dig this stuff up therefore making you look like a triger happy hick in front of a jury.
This is not a bash, just a friendly advice, I hate to see good people get the shaft and the bad guys walk away, all on technicalities like these.
I know what I would do, but its no going to be stated here :cool:
Those officers and departments need investigated. At the very least they could've called for back up from the fire department and sprayed the mob with a hose :D
I know for a fact that most major departments have a special responce unit and training, just dedicated to crowd control. Theres more to this story than we are probably being told.
Those officers and departments need investigated. At the very least they could've called for back up from the fire department and sprayed the mob with a hose :D
yeah
I wonder who ordered the officers to escort them ! and who gave those orders to those ? Police as I understand wont just do this on their own they are told to do things like this ! someone needs to get to the bottom of this
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