View Full Version : Kevin's Iraq Certifed Pmag test
Well despite being a vocal complainer about polymer mags (specifically the nigthmares I have of the CF issue Thermold C7/8 mags) However I have been running a Glock for a while - and our Sig552's have polymer mags so - obviously it is possible to build a good one.
A lot of fuss has been made of the Magpul PMag (which I can only guess stands for polymer mag).
So I looked around to find some online and had them shipped out (I'm still in Iraq).
So they arrive and looked good -- I quickly stocked them up with Mk262 Mod1. They seem to function fine - however I have had some durablity doubt about polymer in a M16FOW mag -- so with that in mind and inspired by the Magpul test videos -- I decided to run one over with the B6 Suburban -- to get the idea of weight - its a 2500 series Burb with a factory B6 Armor package - a 3 ton jack will not lift the damn thing to do a tire change - you need at least a 5 ton or the thing wont budge.
Secondly most testing had been done of EMPTY mags -- (I have my guesses as to why) but an empty mag reliability test really does not do much for me -- since I am concernd about the mag when its loaded - empty its no good to me.
so 28rds of Mk262 Mod1 in a PMag--meets Suburban.
Standby
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and it survives -- no rounds even get popped out.
Not satisfied - I get the driver to reverse back over the mag
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Magpul%20PMAG%20test/Iraq-Range26May009.jpg
crunch heard -- well so much for the PMAG
or not
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Magpul%20PMAG%20test/Iraq-Range26May010.jpg
one round ejected - not exactly the 30rd "burst" I expected.
The mag's spine has been cracked -- but it does not appear to be a catostrophic failure -- thus I decided -- well will it work?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Magpul%20PMAG%20test/Iraq-Range26May011.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Magpul%20PMAG%20test/Iraq-Range26May013.jpg
Well it shoots...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Magpul%20PMAG%20test/Iraq-Range26May023.jpg
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As you can see minor case deformation occured on the rounds in the mag while it was run over.
and the mag ran during several drills -- ejected easily - and never caused a hickup -- reloaded and used 4 times after it cracked...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Magpul%20PMAG%20test/Iraq-Range26May039.jpg
Voodoochild
05-26-07, 10:44
Good stuff Kevin. Be safe over there man.
Oh yeah, what do you know. :rolleyes:
That stuff should be over there in a while. Let me know if you need anything else.
Gary
baffle Stack
05-26-07, 10:55
Best test ever. I will never doubt the Pmag again. I'm off to pick some up:D . Stay safe Kevin.
Oh yeah, what do you know. :rolleyes:
That stuff should be over there in a while. Let me know if you need anything else.
Gary
smart ass ;) -- but thanks.
You should have a package arriving for you too.
I want to see a side by side comparison with a usgi mag.... hehe
LOL - nice test! :D
BTW, what's that pointing out of the rear window - PKM?
LukeMacGillie
05-26-07, 16:54
smart ass ;) -- but thanks.
You should have a package arriving for you too.
TOS Mode here: But how do we really know if you know what your talking about without a scan of your pay stub and CAC card:rolleyes:
KevinB,
nice test. Hope you and your guys are alright. Let's talk gear. What are you running over there? What scope is that? what stock, grip, VFG, Light, barrel, and rail. What barrel length for in and out of the Burb all day long? Are you running a sling?
Be safe and get back home.
Voodoochild
05-26-07, 17:34
I believe the scope is a S&B Short Dot. Stock looks like a CTR VFG looks like a TD and possibly a 16" barrel also looks like he is running a Redi-Mag setup. This is all just my observation and Kevin feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Nice test. You guys be safe over there.
Just another example of why all my future mags will be Pmags
Alex -- yeah its a PKM -- we are not cool enough to get a M240 ;)
Too All
I think the test was a little overboard -- but I was curious if the ammuntion would be crushed beyond use, or if it would cause the mag to splinter.
Weapon in question
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Weapons/RRI.jpg
KAC SR16 URX Midlength upper
Douglas 1:7 barrel Wylde Chamber
KAC 600m BIS (with 300m BIS large aperature)
Larue 1.93 height mount
S&B SHort Dot Gen II
RediMag Gen II
KAC Vert grip
Vickers sling
Magpul CTR
GG&G Sling stud thing
DD Flashlight mount and Surefire G2
GG&G Rear single point sling plate (ambi - yeah not really my choice)
I dont want to get too off the PMAG issue -- but in a car done up the way we have ours - the 16" middy works fine -- While I had shot people with short barrels - I prefer to hedge my bets and use a 16" Barrel when I can.
ffhounddog
05-27-07, 07:25
Kevin,
Nice review.
I really enjoyed looking at that and I love the rifle.
I have 4 Pmags now plan on getting 6 more and some more aluminum. I dont like SS mags but that is just me.
Are you a PSD memeber? Just wondering because I was doing some of that stuff as well as convoy. I hate it when Generals or Colonels want to stop and take pictures.
Me: "Sir this is not a safe place."
General or Colonel: "But there are camels or goats over there that my kids will like to see."
KevinB,
Thanks for the information on your set up. Looks Rugged. Sorry for Hijack, but thanks for the reply.
Now to turn it back to Pmag, do they fit in all the pouches and come in and out the same as USGI aluminum mags?
Stay Safe,
Jack
I'm not in the Army anymore, it is strict PSD for a US gov't entity though.
I had not troubles getting PMags into my paraclete pouches - I just check a few others - and they are tight to insert but easily workable in TT or ESSTAC shingles.
Wayne Dobbs
05-27-07, 11:23
Kevin,
Thanks for the test and the pics. They brought back some memories of my time there....only thing missing was the smell of a line of crappers in the hot sun!
Wayne
Good stuff, thanks for sharing it. There are some people who will bitch regardless of what they see or read, or who it comes from, however, those are the people who aren't running a gun anyway.
Stay Safe.
NeilsonTactical
05-27-07, 13:26
Great real world test!
Arrrrrrrrrrr.....
Heavy Metal
05-27-07, 14:13
Kevin,
What is the deal with what looks like a tow strap wrapped up over the rear bumper?
That's for interrogation purposes probably. Just drag 'em 'til they scream out what you want to hear!
No, the simplest answer is probably the correct one.
Thanks Kevin. You do a good job of keeping the rest of us smarter about what we need and don't need on a real weapon.
Stay safe.
LukeMacGillie
05-27-07, 14:37
Kevin,
What is the deal with what looks like a tow strap wrapped up over the rear bumper?
We have alot of knowledge about the AR here, but not so much about convoy Ops.
The Tow Strap is for towing a disabled vehicle, most likely one that has been disabled but not destroyed in an ambush.
I figured it was pretty much common knowledge, as its been SOP since at least Bosnia in some very not high speed units.
Heavy Metal
05-27-07, 17:45
I suspected as much. In my day we let the recovery vehicle deal with it IIRC and that was pre-Bosina. I think he was always tail end charlie.
LukeMacGillie
05-27-07, 18:00
I suspected as much. In my day we let the recovery vehicle deal with it IIRC and that was pre-Bosina. I think he was always tail end charlie.
Recovery vehicles are great, but not exactly a viable option inside the kill zone, and PSD folks dont have RV's as a general rule. They call up the Army if they need one.
Kevin B
Do you guys carry the pmag as a standard or do you carry what you get your hands on. One more more thing are you still using that mag?
Dude, wash your Sub; what kind of important people would want to ride in that filthy thing!:D
Take care man,
Dave
How well do they fit in mag pouches compared to USGI or the HK mags? I inherited a few old HK mags but havent found enough to standardize my load and am not willing to pay for 5 more of them, might decide to grab some PMags as well.
Great post Kevin. Thanks for taking the time to post the real deal jazz and lay waste to the nay sayers.
olds442tyguy
05-29-07, 14:58
Nice review Kevin. :)
I thought one of the benefits of the PMAG was the ability to load it with a full 30 rounds with out the issues of a USGI mag though? Are they loaded to 28 "just in case", or have you had troubles with them loaded to full capacity?
Kev did even think to load them to 30...
I just tried - they go to thirty and insert with the bolt closed.
However call me paranoid - I am keeping them at 28.
That said - the two spending the summer in the Suburban are now at 30 -- someone remind me in Sept - to take them to the range and give a report.
Magpul guys feel free to borrow the pics - whatever. Rich has always been good to me and look after my bro's too.
CarlosDJackal
05-29-07, 20:57
Now that's what I call a test!! You stay safe!! :)
Now I'm sold on the PMAG's.
Thanks and stay safe. :)
This thread just sold 4 Pmags....you should be getting commissions from Magpul.
Thanks for the input, i will make sure i get some myself!!!!!
do you know a buddy of mine by the call sign "Animal"?
Well -- I got some more...
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21 rds is where I see the rounds in the windowed versions -- a pretty good spot -- since thats when I would want to ensure I tac load if possible.
I found the TAN/Coyote whatever color it is mags to load a lot easier than the black -- no idea why -- the follower just seems to slide a lot easier -- that said I am still awaiting Tan window mags.
I have now retired all my USGI mags w/ Ranger plates (cough - Rich, PMag Ranger plate...) and Enhanced followers) - well they are still loaded in my room in case we get besieged.
paulosantos
06-25-07, 19:01
Nice test, but did you really have to use MK262 to test it out with? I was actually more worried about the ammo than the mag. You could have used some M855 or something cheaper.:D
Just kiddding.
Rmplstlskn
06-25-07, 20:38
KevinB,
Are you keeping the snap covers in place while loaded in the harness and various pouches? I assume not...
Rmpl
Off subject but I freaking love that S&B short dot w/krylon sprayed on it!!!!!! We need to get Kevin B to post specs of his rig. I'm wondering what type of rail and barrel that is.
Anyways, great review, great info. I've got 10 OD green ones I haven't even loaded a round into yet but look forward to testing mine out, however I think they already passed the test from the pics/info in this thread.
Stay safe out there..
I have a big box of PMag snap covers -- I cant think of ever using them...
Well maybe while I go on leave :confused:
Rifle - KAC SR16 - rail is a URXII barrel is Douglas 1:7 SS Wlyde Chamber
Vest -- Eagle CIRAS (M)
BOB -- Kifaru E&E
Thanks for your service mate.
I'll assume you've had opportunity to peruse/use eotechs/aimpoints. How do your like your S&B SHort Dot Gen II in your application in comparison? Likely gonna pick one up before the end of the year and just want to feel all warm and fuzzy inside before dropping that much change on it.
I've used EO's and Aimpoints a bunch of other optics when I was in the .mil
I've pretty much consolidated my carbine optics into the ShortDots -- since they give me pretty much the best of both worlds -- 1x red dot and a 4x magnified sight w/ BDC.
Pricey - and a bit heavier than I'd like - but worth it IMHO.
Secondly while I apprecate the thanks -- the guys who really deserve it, are not contractors like me -- its the troops who do the real work.
I've pretty much consolidated my carbine optics into the ShortDots -- since they give me pretty much the best of both worlds -- 1x red dot and a 4x magnified sight w/ BDC.
Pricey - and a bit heavier than I'd like - but worth it IMHO.
Kevin,
When you run your short dot, do you run it with the illumination turned on all the time, even during daylight hours, or do you reserve reticule illumination only for situations when you need to discern the crosshairs (shadows, dusk/night time ops)?
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