View Full Version : O.k., who's getting one?: Magpul AFG-2
Since I already have the AFG-1 on my 6.8, I'm thinking of putting the version 2 on my 5.56 build. Looks like it's much more rail-mounted accessory-friendly, and has a leaner, somewhat thinner profile. Same price, but I'm not sure when they'll be available...
Pat
SpookyPistolero
06-12-10, 21:41
Got a pic? I couldn't find any.
Got a pic? I couldn't find any.
yeah, its NEW to me.:p
It's in Magpul's 2010 online catalog on their website. Same colors available, same price, but not an option in the store part of the site.
From the illustration, it looks like it will accomodate rail panels, XTM panels and other attachments, like lights, sling mounts, etc. right below it without interference.
Pat
Dos Cylindros
06-13-10, 13:05
You can clearly see they got rid of the "wings" on the front, to allow some users to clear stuff mounted on the side rails (has not been an issue with my DD lite rail). It also says shorter in overall length and width. I wonder how that will translate in the product once it is released. I might replace my AFG with it if the improvements make it a little better but we will see.
Can someone post picture?
Iam lazy...:p
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l249/FR0GMAN/AFG2.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l249/FR0GMAN/AFG3.jpg
devilsdeeds
06-13-10, 15:12
too slow! :(
Thats a nice improvement. Slimmer. I have the first version on a DD rail with the Magpul XTM's and it just barely fits. But it do.
Belmont31R
06-13-10, 16:31
Nope. :cool:
CaptainDooley
06-13-10, 17:42
All I hang off the end of my rifle is a white light and and a sling attachment point, so I'm fairly happy with the MOE handguards. If they made an AFG that specifically mounted to them, then I'd buy one. Until then I think I'll be fine with an MVG.
I wish they would make the AFG with a slightly larger front hand stop portion and also straighten out the back of it instead of having it angled.
PJ
DanielBartolo
06-13-10, 19:32
[QUOTE=VMI-MO;681350]I wish they would make the AFG with a slightly larger front hand stop portion and also straighten out the back of it instead of having it angled.
Magpul will not name it Angled Fore Grip if it was straight at the back.:rolleyes:
Below is a crude drawing of what I had in mind to clear up any confusion.
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/AFGDrawing.jpg
PJ
I have an AFG, and a file, and wanted to put it on a Larue rail....which pretty much means I have an AFG2 ;)
m1a_scoutguy
06-13-10, 23:47
I have a few of the AFG,,they are ok . My goodness,,the masses will be flocking to the "NEW" and improved AFG,,;),Magpul CEOs will be loving it !!!! Buy away !!!! :rolleyes:
Cut mine down with a Dremmel on day one. Works just fine. there was a bit more material there than necessary, and now it's gone. AFG2 in 10 minutes of Dremmel work.
The only reason I started working mine over was to fit a light. It worked out. Now people won't have to be patient and grind on their paid for equipment. Good work Magpul!
unless its significantly steeper (doesnt look like) then it still suffers the same problem as the original. nothing to pull against
The AFG has a love/hate relationship with the shooting crowd. Personally, I like it. It's not the only VFG type device I use, but I like it. When the AFG2 is released, I will probably switch to it since the AFG1 limits which accessories I can use on the side rails.
I'm with Clasky. Did a two day this weekend, and it did use/cover too much rail space. I ended up dropping it for an old VFG. I like it in theory, and fortunately it's cheap enough to try different things with.
I like my AFG, no mods have been done to it as it fits in my hand and I don't have any other attachments on my carbine. I will probably buy an AFG2 just to try, and who knows it may wind up on the new build.
ForTehNguyen
06-14-10, 12:13
this is good for Larue rail owners because the wings on the AFG1 interfere. They dont interfere on DD rails tho.
ChoppinFatTony
06-14-10, 13:03
I've had my AFG for about 2 months over here. Impressions- running it on our issued Knight's carbine rails, no interference with my Tangodown covers or my Surefire L4 lite in a slightly modified Larue mnt. A hell of alot better than running either a VFG or just rail for me.
One thing i did drop first thing was the finger notch, it just never went along with my none firing hand.
Im completely happy with my original AFG. But I dont run any rail covers. No need for me to switch to the v2.
Will applicable to those who have had to file theirs down, a more aggressive texture like the little logos on the MIAD is what I was actually hoping for.
ChoppinFatTony
06-15-10, 00:08
Also if anyone was wondering, the AFG also fits/works well with these other weapon systems:
M249, Mk48, M14 EBR and even the handheld HK M320 40mm Thumper
Just letting you all know that your taxpayer's dollars are at work over here.
Jake Bauer
06-15-10, 00:13
I've never liked the look of the AFG. I'll stick with my MVG.
Landchipper
06-15-10, 08:07
Subscribed for later and the varying opinions/wisdom your experience has already provided. I have been eyeing the AFG
and wonder which if either would be best for a recreational
plinker carbine. So thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Anyone have one yet? I am eyeing one of these, or if the RBG comes out in FDE finally, I may consider that as well. I have tried the original AFG and RVG, and I can't decide which I like better.
Hopefully they will release it soon.
I have an AFG, and a file, and wanted to put it on a Larue rail....which pretty much means I have an AFG2 ;)
Same here.:)
Fearless_One
08-06-10, 22:01
I'm one of those people who truly bought into the AFG idea, I only have one build to work around with (Colt 6920 with a DD rail system) and I fell in love with it, before the AFG I tended to hold a VG like an AFG it was awkward but just how I naturally held the rifle. The AFG-1 Works fine on the DD rail so I doubt I'll get version 2 but I highly recommend the AFG type system as a whole, at least to try out.
I like my AFG "1" with he wings and it fits my SCAR like it was made for it....
No thanks... never bought into the sword fighter grip.
I switched from a TD stubby to the AFG on my middy with CASV-M and works much better for me. I'll definitely try the AFG-2 for by upcoming SBR build.
variablebinary
08-07-10, 00:36
I didnt buy the first one, and I wont buy the 2nd version. I dont even use a VFG.
KingsideRook
08-07-10, 01:33
Nah, I'm having too much fun modifying the original versions to bolt directly to Troy TRX Extreme forends. :p
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k267/Juggernaut45/DSC_6862.jpg
Removing the wings just reduces that protective surface I'm trying to create on the tube. That said, on a conventional railed forend, I could see how the -2 would free up rail estate on the sides.
If they want me to love it, they'll make the next version much grippier, and/or increase the angle. I had to stipple mine roughly, so my hand wouldn't glide off the back end when I pull the rifle into my shoulder for control.
I am betting that Magpul will release an AFG that mounts directly the the MOE handguards, just like the MOE MVG, probably once the midlength and rifle handguards are out in circulation.
Fearless_One
08-08-10, 10:15
I am betting that Magpul will release an AFG that mounts directly the the MOE handguards, just like the MOE MVG, probably once the midlength and rifle handguards are out in circulation.
They do that and I'm swapping out my DD rail system and popping on the some MOE handguards.
Erratikmind
08-08-10, 10:37
Perhaps, for the next build. I have 3 of the AFG1s mounted with no issues, yet. Most recently, I installed an AFG1 mated to a 12" LT handguard . . . And as such, everything appears to work fine.
I might have to try one of these. I recently got one of their RVG (rail vertical grip) and I like it a lot. So much so that I am now selling both my Tango Down vfg and Streamlight vfg to replace them.
iwouldntknow
08-09-10, 20:54
I want one with the rear angle as the front angle and much grippier. For now I'll stick to my TD Stubby.
AlohaChris
08-11-10, 21:41
If it's smaller, is the AFG-2 shorter? The AFG-1 requires 5 inches of rail space. Anyone know what the rail space requirement is?
I might have to try one of these.
GermanSynergy
08-12-10, 07:59
I'll give one a try....
Just got an update that these are now shipping.
I'll probably pick up one to toy around with.
They have the AFG2 in all colors, why can't I get a FDE RVG?
ForTehNguyen
09-22-10, 18:41
They have the AFG2 in all colors, why can't I get a FDE RVG?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XMAG412DKEAR&groupid=51
Nice! Thanks for looking out. I have been checking Magpul's site weekly figuring they would have it first. I love AIM too. Thanks.
I didnt buy the first one, and I wont buy the 2nd version. I dont even use a VFG.
Man after my own heart. I find I can prone out much easier without extra stuff sticking down vertically from my rifle.
I tried gangster grips for a bit thinking it would help with the mounted light, but ultimately, found I could just as easily use a light without extra stuff in the way. The little stubby VFGs feel just as weird.
Not knocking the concept, but it doesn't work for me.
Nah, I'm having too much fun modifying the original versions to bolt directly to Troy TRX Extreme forends. :p
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k267/Juggernaut45/DSC_6862.jpg
Removing the wings just reduces that protective surface I'm trying to create on the tube. That said, on a conventional railed forend, I could see how the -2 would free up rail estate on the sides.
If they want me to love it, they'll make the next version much grippier, and/or increase the angle. I had to stipple mine roughly, so my hand wouldn't glide off the back end when I pull the rifle into my shoulder for control.
I am betting that Magpul will release an AFG that mounts directly the the MOE handguards, just like the MOE MVG, probably once the midlength and rifle handguards are out in circulation.
I really like this setup. Have you ever had your hand heat up or melting issues on the AFG because of the tube?
ForTehNguyen
09-23-10, 08:47
that tube is free float so as for the melting issue, shouldnt have it. Heat issue is a different story.
ForTehNguyen
09-23-10, 16:41
magpul posted some comparo pics on their facebook:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs618.snc4/59797_160768983935459_123085681037123_507576_5168803_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs718.snc4/63819_160768890602135_123085681037123_507575_4988166_n.jpg
Is the gen1 still gonna be available?
theRedSkull
09-23-10, 17:14
i like the quality of magpul, i got plenty of it, but i just dont think i will buy one of these.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20V/868W9603-10242-Stick.jpg
Dos Cylindros
09-23-10, 19:24
I may have to get one of these. It looks like the angle is a bit steeper, though perhaps that is an optical illusion. The last nub on the AFG2 has deffinately been made much larger, and that will be a big help in keeping your hand from sliping off.
Canonshooter
09-23-10, 19:29
Also if anyone was wondering, the AFG also fits/works well with these other weapon systems:
M249, Mk48, M14 EBR and even the handheld HK M320 40mm Thumper
Just letting you all know that your taxpayer's dollars are at work over here.
Works well on an AK with Tapco's handguard too;
http://www.canonshooter.com/photos2/ak103k-15.jpg
Canonshooter
09-23-10, 19:32
this is good for Larue rail owners because the wings on the AFG1 interfere. They dont interfere on DD rails tho.
Yes! The AFG1 wouldn't fit with the Magpul XTM on the LaRue rail so it remained on my AK (see previous post). I just ordered the AFG2 for my AR.
Canonshooter, where did you get the stock adapter for your AK?
Canonshooter
09-23-10, 20:07
Canonshooter, where did you get the stock adapter for your AK?
It's an ACE adapter. Full write-up here -
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=62287
ForTehNguyen
09-23-10, 21:27
Is the gen1 still gonna be available?
yea they said they will discontinue gen1 at the end of the year
Ordered a FDE AFG2 yesterday to take the place of my AFG1. They are still a few weeks out on shipping the FDE's.
ForTehNguyen
09-24-10, 08:55
my stepdads AR has a larue rail with an AFG1 at the moment, im thinking of changing it. My ACR has one too, but I need to find out of its actually thinner in height than AFG1. ACR handguard + AFG1 is sorta fat, being a little thinner would be nice. Need to take some ghetto on screen measurements.
my stepdads AR has a larue rail with an AFG1 at the moment, im thinking of changing it. My ACR has one too, but I need to find out of its actually thinner in height than AFG1. ACR handguard + AFG1 is sorta fat, being a little thinner would be nice. Need to take some ghetto on screen measurements.
It might be easier for me to check for you.... I'll get you an answer in a little bit.
I may try to grab one of these and see if I can direct-mount to one of the Troy VTAC tubes. Someone here did something similar with the AFG1 and at least one nylon bolt/nut.
ForTehNguyen,
Hopefully this helps you a bit.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20V/868W0091-1024-Stick.jpg
i did not own ver.1 before, but i will try ver.2 seems like they removed lots of un-used area.
Looks like the OAL is shortened too, but it's done by making the rear section steeper rather than taking functional length off. That's smart.
ForTehNguyen
09-24-10, 13:09
yea the OAL is shortened by .84" according to Magpul. So its great for carbine rails or handguards.
Thanks Stick for the pics, doesnt seem like its any shorter heightwise. I guess for the ACR I'll stick with what I have.
Photochops of the FB images to make overlays.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/AFGcomparo.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/AFGcomparo2.jpg
Now that the good pics are out to compare, I must say it looks like an improvement over the AFG. I've still got my ol' freebie AFG mounted on my midlength, and I don't hate it, but I'm not sure I'd buy another at this time, either. But this looks like it has most all of the functionality with fewer trouble spots.
ForTehNguyen
09-24-10, 17:10
hmm that overlay makes it seem thinner. I guess I have to get 2 now :rolleyes:
I'm kind of debating whether to get one now. I like the steeper angle, but that's about it. The shorter length and lack of rail side material doesn't make a difference to me because both of mine fit my rifles just fine. I ran one of them at a Trident Concepts course and am more than used to it.
If it ain't broke...
Pat
....wanna keep up with this thread im thinking of trying one.
AlohaChris
09-26-10, 16:16
Just viewed the AFG2 at the gun show today. It's much smaller. About an inch shorter too.
Glock Star
09-28-10, 16:48
It arrived today after its release last week. I was running a VFG but thought I would give this a try. I need to get some live fire down range with it, but I REALLY like the angle and how tightly I can pull the rifle in with it. Not a huge change from the AFG, but the rear angle is better to me and it is about an inch shorter taking up less rail space. It also does not have the "wings" up front which interfere with some rail/accessory mount set-ups.
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/Glock23Star/AFG2_1.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/Glock23Star/AFG2_3.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/Glock23Star/AFG2_4.jpg
:D
http://gallery.me.com/sgtlmj/100169/IMG_5991/web.jpg
http://gallery.me.com/sgtlmj/100169/IMG_5993/web.jpg
Canonshooter
09-29-10, 12:57
It is also exactly the same length as three XTM panels.
ZombieKiller
09-29-10, 19:13
I picked one up this past weekend at a gun show and I do think it's an improvement over the original. It feels more like a natural part of the gun rather than an awkward-shaped thing attached to the rail. It weighs a little less due to the loss of the wings and the shorter footprint, but maintains almost the same gripping surface for your hand, and the streamlined profile makes it usable on many more systems without the need to modify it. The nub at the back side is slightly longer and at a sharper angle so my hand feels less likely to slide back toward me. Overall, a solid evolution to the product.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1788/afg22.jpg
That looks nice and clean. I have been running a AFG on my SBR for some time now with a Larue rail. I ended up taking a dremel to the 'ears' and made mine slimmer, like many others have done. Glad to see Magpul continuing to lead and listen to customer feed back.
I just mounted one on my new DD 12.0 OmegaX FSp rail - feels very nice, and allows rearward pressure OR forward grip. I'm just not sure whether to leave on the A2 tit or go smooth - byut I have the option. Feels wonderful compared to a vert grip for me.
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/07c3511ed1def45e0c6892ba6896e5fe6e59b3f.jpg
I'd like to try it on my minimalist Colt 6920. What do I need to get to attach it to the carbine's thick heatshield?
ForTehNguyen
12-05-10, 01:25
in all honestly, an AFG is not very good on a carbine handguard, you really need a longer handguard to make full use of it.
in all honestly, an AFG is not very good on a carbine handguard, you really need a longer handguard to make full use of it.
The AFG1 was about the same length as the carbine's headshield. If this one is shorter, why would I need a longer handguard? Just trying to understand.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXcO6eYHKGsYZCagFdUAd_Xrg_X_UG7BypbCMyjPOLk6rR0O2z
grzechotnik
12-05-10, 08:36
Dude... Its about grip, chandling a gun. Not 'bout lenght of the handguard :sarcastic:.
I agree with the above that the new AFG is a nice improvement over the older. I also agree that a carbine length hand guard is too short to make good use of the AFG (YMMV). In fact, I think a mid length MOE hand guard is a tad short for a AFG, but can be used if desired.
I really tried to make it work on my carbine handguard, but it just never felt right. The AFG is meant to be used with your arm more extended. With the short carbine handguard it puts you in a very unnatural position. If you really want to give it a go all you need is the AFG2 and one of the long MOE rails to mount it. Two things I happen to have if you want them ;)
The AFG1 was about the same length as the carbine's headshield. If this one is shorter, why would I need a longer handguard? Just trying to understand.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXcO6eYHKGsYZCagFdUAd_Xrg_X_UG7BypbCMyjPOLk6rR0O2z
A longer handguard is better because the thumb break grip the AFG was designed for works best with support hand extended and closer to the muzzle.
Look at how 3-gunners hold their rifle and you can get a better idea of how the AFG was meant to be used.
Regarding the AFG2, I recently got one and I really tried to hate. However, in the end it work really well for me. I stopped using a vertical grip a few years back and have been using the thumb break grip since that time. The AFG2 makes using this grip more ergonomic and gives me better muzzle control.
I got one and I co-witnessed it with my AFG-1!
I'd like to try it on my minimalist Colt 6920. What do I need to get to attach it to the carbine's thick heatshield?
I agree with the above that the new AFG is a nice improvement over the older. I also agree that a carbine length hand guard is too short to make good use of the AFG (YMMV). In fact, I think a mid length MOE hand guard is a tad short for a AFG, but can be used if desired.
I agree with gators. I wouldn't bother with the AFG (whether gen1 or gen2) , or frankly a vertical grip at all, on a carbine-length handguard and even a mid-length is a challenge for the AFG but less so for the traditional vert grip.
Hand-stops, like the excellent samples made by Gear Sector for the picatinny raill system and Mount-n-Slot for direct-attach to tubes & MOE, are much better parts to use in these cases. On the carbine-length MOE I find I need nothing at all as I can use the lip on the bottom front of the handguards to the same effect by hooking my left booger-picker around it. On carbine-length rail systems I add the GS handstop at the same location to use the same way.
To compare this solution to the FAG, it would be the equivalent of only having the first part of the slope and using the finger-groove insert.
I agree with gators. I wouldn't bother with the AFG (whether gen1 or gen2) , or frankly a vertical grip at all, on a carbine-length handguard and even a mid-length is a challenge for the AFG but less so for the traditional vert grip.
What if you extend the stock all the way out, thus forcing the rifle to stick out further. Would the AFG then be capable of being used efficiently on a carbine hand gaurd?
I'm surprised this thread is still going.
As it turns out, I tried and subsequently went with the La Rue handstops. These work much better for me than the AFG, even though I became used to handling it. I like how you can vary the distance between handstops depending on hand size, grip style, etc.
It also helps that they're polymer, giving some weight savings up front where I like it. Mine are kept in place by the XTM panels I had on the handguard (DD Lite 9.0") to begin with. Nice product, very simple and effective, and they really lock your hand in nicely.
Pat
What if you extend the stock all the way out, thus forcing the rifle to stick out further. Would the AFG then be capable of being used efficiently on a carbine hand gaurd?
Maybe, but many people already do that even with the long handguards. I just took a class with a BCM dissipator using iron sights and I had the stock extended for most of the class, and my support hand out by the FSB.
For those that aren't used to shooting with the stock extended it does funny things to the geometry of your strong hand as well as your head placement in relation to the sights/optic which may need to be relearned.
Is there some shortcoming to the carbine-length handguard that people are finding needs addressed that they think the AFG is going to solve? I'd be far more inclined to go with MOE handguards and a MOE vertical grip (http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/106) cut down to minimum size.
don't have the first one, won't have the second one
I have had mine for a couple of months and love the thing. I had a vertical forward grip that is lost in my closet somewhere now and i don't care if i ever find it again. Everybody is different and everyone has a different set up. For me personally i find that it helps me shoot better. The results are very linear and the paper does not lie. It is only a 37$ gamble. Not the end of the world if you don't like it. There is a certain way to use it as demonstrated by Chris and Travis in there DVD's. I think if i had not watched them and bought the grip it would be the piece lost in the closet somewhere.
There is a certain way to use it as demonstrated by Chris and Travis in there DVD's. I think if i had not watched them and bought the grip it would be the piece lost in the closet somewhere.
I think this is important. I don't use one, but I understand the "theory" in the "theory-base product" and I understand how they are intended to be used. I CONSTANTLY come across shooters that buy them, God knows why, only to try and make them work like a vertical grip and wind up frustrated. Some even refuse to listen to suggestions that they either alter their style to fit the gear they bought and give it an honest try, or ditch the gear that doesn't fit their shooting style.
I think this is important. I don't use one, but I understand the "theory" in the "theory-base product" and I understand how they are intended to be used. I CONSTANTLY come across shooters that buy them, God knows why, only to try and make them work like a vertical grip and wind up frustrated.
Exactly. I have one, and most people who I let handle my work rifle to try it out end up trying to grip only the angled portion and wrap their thumb around the back. When I tell them to move their hand all the way forward on the AFG and wrap the thumb around the top of the handguard, there's usually a little light-bulb moment. Not for everyone, but it fills the role I use it for better than anything else I've tried.
I like the thumb on top. Also because I have light switch on top rail. might try ver.2 when I can chance.
I have used both. Got AFG2 to go on a new build. I much prefer the 2. All the changes are subtle but in total make the 2 much better (space saving, feels better due to being thinner, slightly less weight, larger nub locks your hand on it better).
If you absolutely hated 1 then no need to try 2. They are basically the same but 2 does everything better.
bsmith_shoot
12-06-10, 17:38
I have tried them both, and it is just my opinion, but I dont care for them. I only run 14.5 and 11.5 rifles with carbine length gas systems, and I pretty much just use KAC RIS/RAS rails, so they dont work well for me. If you use one, it feels good, and you like them, then do it. If not, then stick with what feels right.
Got a couple of the AFG1 model and they work for me, just got a LaRue bipod and there is not enough room on the rail for both, a Dremel in my hands is a destruction device, I am not allowed to touch those things!
The AFG1 is 5.55" and the AFG2 is 4.70" long, hope that .85" less with solve my problem!
FChen17213
04-13-11, 15:02
I run mine as far out as possible. That being said, I 'm thinking about removing the AFG altogether. I think it's extra weight that isn't necessarily needed. If you try holding the rail at the same position with your hand, you can still drive the gun pretty well. That's why I don't think I'll be running VFG in the future either. Just something I noticed more and more people doing.
I got rid of mine a while ago. I just run a hand stop now. Much cleaner setup that way IMO.
I use an AFG-2 with a carbine length upper with a fixed front sight, DD 12.0 FSP handguard, and X300 mounted in at 12 o'clock. You have to be careful when the front sight gets hot and the AFG provides a real solid index so that your thumb doesn't end up getting branded.
A stubby VFG would serve the same purpose. With no hot front sight post, or with good gloves, I'd be happy to use just a naked handguard. The angle of the AFG is nicest of all the options IMHO, but it's not a deal breaker either way.
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