Is no one using a 6:00 mount?

[13grandy]

I couldn't find a single post showing anyone mounting their light at 6:00.... am I missing something in my newbness here? I'm thinking of the M600C and mounting at 6:00 with a tape switch to the TD... since I don't have the light at the moment is this not doable?

[tampam4]

I take it you are talking specifically about rifle-mounted lights? 6 o'clock mounted lights are generally considered less than optimal, because the barrel ends up casting a shadow right on the upper portion of your target. 12 o'clock are for the most part considered the most ideal.

[bkb0000]

6 o'clock positioning also limits support-hand placement and can **** you up with supported firing positions. not to mention it's the fastest way to beat the absolute dog-shit out of your light.

[Failure2Stop]

I couldn't find a single post showing anyone mounting their light at 6:00.... am I missing something in my newbness here? I'm thinking of the M600C and mounting at 6:00 with a tape switch to the TD... since I don't have the light at the moment is this not doable?

One could consider that to be a clue ;)

Back in the days when the M600 was the best mounted light on the market a lot of us flailed about in financial flaggelations, doing our best to replicate the M600 without the ridiculous price tag (or weight, or crappy mount, or poor positioning of the pressure pad, or huge donkey-appendage grip size. . . wait a second, why the hell did we like the damn thing again??).

Anyway- a light at 6 is more difficult to turn on/off, gets blocked easily- especially if you are trying to keep a low silhouette, limits support hand placement, limits supported and covered position use, pretty much precludes a bipod, throws a huge shadow over whatever you are trying so desperately to see, for some odd reason the light gets the shit beat out of it more, and basically makes life harder than it needs to be.

[13grandy]

aha.... makes sense, thus the apparent reason why 9 or 3 seems to be the norm. I notice a few are going with 12:00 but on a M6A2 I'd have to mount it pretty far back to get it out of the way of the front sight, about 1.5" farther back than a 6:00 mount and I use a 553 that gives a profile too low to mount it 12:00.

I'm either stuck with 6:00 or a side mount, just for the feel of balance I would of preferred 6:00.

Any comments on the SF tape switches? Reliable over the long haul?

[Failure2Stop]

aha.... makes sense, thus the apparent reason why 9 or 3 seems to be the norm. I notice a few are going with 12:00 but on a M6A2 I'd have to mount it pretty far back to get it out of the way of the front sight, about 1.5" farther back than a 6:00 mount and I use a 553 that gives a profile too low to mount it 12:00.

I'm either stuck with 6:00 or a side mount, just for the feel of balance I would of preferred 6:00.

Any comments on the SF tape switches? Reliable over the long haul?

Not so-
a 10:30 or 2:30 placement works very well and positions the tail near the thumb of the support hand.

Further, a 3:00 or 9:00 placment will have many of the same draw-backs as the 6:00.

I highly recommend against tape-switches.

[Abraxas]

not to mention it's the fastest way to beat the absolute dog-shit out of your light.

That is no joke:mad::D

[13grandy]

hmmmm..... well I do prefer the vertical grip... don't wanna lose that. That's gonna severely limit placement for me I can see.

[Failure2Stop]

hmmmm..... well I do prefer the vertical grip... don't wanna lose that. That's gonna severely limit placement for me I can see.

What?
Not at all.

You need to look around at the stickies and pic threads- here and in the AR GD forum, specifically the "AR Photo" thread. There aren't many guns you will see on the forum without a light.

The answers are right in front of you, literally.

[bkb0000]

hmmmm..... well I do prefer the vertical grip... don't wanna lose that. That's gonna severely limit placement for me I can see.

why would you lose the VFG?

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab6/bkb0000/SBR/100_3168.jpg?t=1277422200

this isn't considered an optimal modern setup, for a number of reasons, but it's an example. one great VFG setup includes an offset mount on the left side (if you shoot right handed) that can be hit with the thumb. you just have to acquire the right gear to make it happen.

[PrivateCitizen]

This guy works the 6 …


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/DSCN0466.jpg

;)

[bkb0000]

This guy works the 6 …


yea.. and somebody should take it away from him. quickly.

[13grandy]

I'm willing to forego supported shooting, even the aggressive grip to a certain extent. In looking at the front sight it appears as though it may get in the way of a 2 or 10 mount right up front. I'm gonna check those pics and see how close the 2:00 mount is to the front sight. Also gonna look at a different SF that uses the newer switch with the on/off button and momentary switch... looks a bit better built than just a simple tape switch.

Maybe some pics of the LWRC A2 with some mounts are around.

Thanks.

[Failure2Stop]

Here is one of my 10:30 mounts.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/Fail2Stop/5aeca85d.jpg
You don't have to give up anything.
It's starting to seem that you just want a 6:00 mount despite all the advantages with putting the light almost anywhere else.

[sonrider657]

I use a 6 o'clock position. It keeps the gun narrow and is completely ambidextrous (only 6 and 12 o'clock are truly ambidextrous). This setup works better for me than anything else I have tried.

http://www.christiancarnivore.com/green.jpg

[VMI-MO]

I use a 6 o'clock position. It keeps the gun narrow and is completely ambidextrous (only 6 and 12 o'clock are truly ambidextrous). This setup works better for me than anything else I have tried.

http://www.christiancarnivore.com/green.jpg

How do you place your support side hand to use that light mount?

A 1030 or 230 is also completely ambi. You just have to reach over the top of the gun. And with the correct support side grip, you can build the light around your grip so it takes very little to work the light.


PJ

[VMI-MO]

I have my current light set up very very close to F2S.

I did not see it mentioned, but another problem with the 6 o'clock mount, is the potential problems with shadows that the light produces on the target.

Below are some pictures of my current light set up and how I use it left/right handed.

Normal supprt side grip
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/Leftside1.jpg

Now with light manipulation
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/Leftside2.jpg

Support side Light manipulation
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/Lightsetuppics008.jpg


PJ

[sonrider657]

How do you place your support side hand to use that light mount?

A 1030 or 230 is also completely ambi. You just have to reach over the top of the gun. And with the correct support side grip, you can build the light around your grip so it takes very little to work the light.

PJ

I place my support hand toward the front of the handgard and simply slide it forward into the sling swivel to activate the light. It is very fast and easy. (See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueRQqszK3Ag).)

The problem with a 10:30 or 2:30 is that you have one technique for shooting strong hand and another technique for shooting off hand. A light at 6 o'clock provides symmetry both in setup and technique.

There is no noticeable shadow with my setup unless you are shining it on a wall within 5 feet.

[VMI-MO]

I place my support hand toward the front of the handgard and simply slide it forward into the sling swivel to activate the light. It is very fast and easy. (See this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueRQqszK3Ag).)

The problem with a 10:30 or 2:30 is that you have one technique for shooting strong hand and another technique for shooting off hand. A light at 6 o'clock provides symmetry both in setup and technique.

There is no noticeable shadow with my setup unless you are shining it on a wall within 5 feet.


My thumb has to move a total of about an inch to activate the light from both left and right handed.

How far forward do you have to slide your hand? It seems you either have to slide your hand forward, or keep it really close to the sling swivel and risk white light AD.

Also you are having to move your entire support side grip to manipulate the light. I move a thumb.

As for casting shadows, I personally would not want to be limited even if the distance is only 5 feet or so. No one ever has to identify things that close to them anyways......:rolleyes:

Also as previously stated the 6 oclock mount really puts the light out there for alot of un-needed abuse, screws with using barricades as support, limits the positions the light can be used in, and in some cases increases your profile and makes you a bigger target.


PJ

[Roy]

F2S whose mount is that.. Im running mine at 9 but would like to try 10:30

My issue at this point is that ive got a Surefire scout light and i dont think anyone makes a mount for it...

I can always buy a new light.. any reason for a new light right

[grunz]

6OC is probably the worst place to put a white light on an AR15. By all means try it and you'll quickly see why.

Here is an M4C thread about a 10OC mount. I run this on my AR as well - exactly the same.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=44237

[glen]

F2S whose mount is that.. Im running mine at 9 but would like to try 10:30

My issue at this point is that ive got a Surefire scout light and i dont think anyone makes a mount for it...

I can always buy a new light.. any reason for a new light right

That's a Vltor mount.

I ran into the same problem with a similar diameter light (Surefire 6z)

Viking Tactics makes a mount that positions similarly that has spacers to fit a scout light. Inexpensive too. Mine is holding up well so far.

Or you could just get another light. :D

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/g300d/DSC09344.jpg

[Steve in PA]

I use a 6 o'clock position. It keeps the gun narrow and is completely ambidextrous (only 6 and 12 o'clock are truly ambidextrous). This setup works better for me than anything else I have tried.

http://www.christiancarnivore.com/green.jpg

I use the same mount on my rifle.

[bkb0000]

hope that helps...

this guy is just randomly posting "hope that helps" in various threads.

new posts list:
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