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Outlander Systems
07-05-10, 20:32
Grid-Down Sustainability
Avoiding Temporary Solutions to Long-Term Problems - Introduction

*Disclaimer: I am referring to a scenario in which, one is without resupply, and traveling on foot. The primary goal is range-extension through improvisation of natural and available resources. I am NOT referring to homesteading or permanent-shelter; only traversing.

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First-Off, we need to differentiate from, and drop the term "minimalist" from our lexicon moving forward. I would prefer the term, "maximumist"; as the goal for sustainable survival revolves around maximising your potential, and using certain equipment choices as force-multipliers of sorts.

As a primer, I have, in the past, gone through the phase, like everyone else, of using technology as a crutch. The idea that for every chore you face in the wild, there's a technological solution, and tool for. Actually, there is. Eventually, you will end up, once owning the devices to do-it-all, with a pack approaching 2/3 your body weight. This in turn, increases your caloric expenditure, and slows you down. The very first thing you should do is begin to take a pragmatic approach to a survival scenario. A buddy of mine and I have a running joke about an outdoors enthusiast friend of ours who's always talking about accompanying me on a trip. Without fail, he always bails out, once using the excuse that he had a trip planned, and had to bring the dutch oven...

That actually says a lot, about the majority of people's attempts at configuring a backpacking/hiking/BO/GH/GOOD/Go sack.

I learned through my first several big hikes, that less is more, much more.

I've spent a year using a "Bug-Out Vest", and a Maxpedition Colossus Versipack.

Some quick observations:

The BOV allows me to carry pretty much everything I could NEED on an outing. There's a lot of wasted space on the front, due to having magazine pouches spanning the chest. That being said, I can carry more weight, more evenly, and with less clumsiness than a pack. It's a great setup, and if it wasn't something I rigged together, I believe a design from the ground up would have a lot of potential.

The Colossus Versipack is awesome; however, like larger packs, the tendency exists to overload it, and thus defeat the purpose. To me, the design is excellent. Unlike a traditional backpack or ruck, the Versipack line can be accessed without removal of the pack, which is extremely convenient. Although it can be overloaded, and the Colossus, quite frankly, is too large for a maximumist setup; however, as a training and learning tool, it was worth every penny.

Currently I am revising my setup. A local store allowed for me to try everything in the Maxpedition "small bag" line. To me a "small bag" is anything with less capacity than a standard backpack. While some of the offerings are excellent, for my uses the Jumbo Versipack, standard, carried on the wrong(left) side is the way to go. While I wanted desperately to like the Gearslinger lineup, the on-the-back carry was a deal-breaker. The Fatboy Versipack was too small. The Colossus, too big. Fanny-packs were too small, etc.

The format I've now gone to is a modular-approach. The Versipack should carry everything to maximise an outing in the wild, and offer enough tools and hardware to effectively set up shop. In Georgia, it's not cold very often, and the Versipack would be more than enough to sustain myself for three seasons. Winter is where the modularity comes in. The larger winter pack, on which I am currently undecided, needs enough capacity to hold the Versipack, a cold-weather sleeping bag, and any outerwear for winter-use. Nothing more.

The gear refinement process has shown me where I've made a lot of screw ups in the past. Where I am going with this may not be your cup of milk, but let's do it...

Sustainability.

Main Entry: sus·tain·able
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1727
1 : capable of being sustained
a : of, relating to, or being a method of harvesting or using a resource so that the resource is not depleted or permanently damaged <sustainable techniques> <sustainable agriculture>
b : of or relating to a lifestyle involving the use of sustainable methods <sustainable society>
— sus·tain·abil·i·ty \-?sta-n?-'bi-l?-te\ noun

This is, what I feel to be, the absolute most important aspect to survival if we're dealing with anything other than the short-term, 72-hour-type events.

I say again, sustainability is the absolute most important aspect to survival.

Now, I am in no way professing to posses expertise in primitive techniques for enduring in the bush, I have been moving much, much closer in that direction.

Ultimately, the goal is to need as little as possible.

Now, the maximumist philosophy involves improvisation of as many resources as possible. There's one tool, and one tool only that you should positively NOT be without. Without a quality, fixed-blade knife, your work will be exponentially more difficult. With that, you can build and craft just about anything you're going to need. It is the pinnacle of bushcraft force-multipliers. As to which is the best knife is an absurd argument, that could be debated with every ounce of minutia the internet could muster. As long as the blade is ~5", and of a high-carbon content, you should be good-to-go. Everything else is personal preference. This should be the one item you shouldn't skimp on.

There exists a certain grey area, in terms of how long one can exist outside of modern "life support". In essence, as backpackers, hikers, and preppers, the majority of us merely seek to extend that life-support system via our packs, and what we pack-in. This is a dangerous path to take, depending on how long the excursion into unsupported territory we endeavor to go, by fate, or by necessity. We are merely extending modern civilisation's life-support systems by dragging into where it doesn't belong, via our backs. Not only, in this situation, are we battling mother nature, but we're battling the clock; as if we've not made it "out" of the situation within the timeframe afforded by our outlander "umbilical cord", we're dead. It's essentially a race between our own personal resource depletion and a means of escape. If the pack is lost, we're dead. If the clock runs out, we're dead. Not a very sustainable course, unless we've supplemented at least, or ultimately superseded, our "hardware" choices with "software" choices.

You can load up a kit with contents to sustain yourself for 72 hours. That's not a problem. The problem begins to manifest when 72 hours turns into 144 hours. Or when 144 hours turns into 288 hours. By that point the camp stove's long since dried up on fuel, and our last match got used up 6 days ago...

I don't want this to relate to homesteading, as there's plenty of information on homestead longevity and sustainability out there. On that note, Richard Proenneke ranks highly amongst my all-time biggest heroes. The man was nothing short of incredible.

For me, the biggest pluses from my experience of shrinking-down the system, is mobility. The lack of encumbrance is an amazing and incredible feeling.

The goal I'm trying to attain is the delicate balance of only packing-in items for which there is no comparable natural equivalent, and offsetting the remainder with field/natural resources.

The three things that come to mind, of no readily-available natural equivalent are:

1) Knife
2) Cordage
3) Water vessel

The focus of this thread is for the discussion of how you've changed your outdoor/survival kits, or how you plan to change your kits to extend your range, so-to-speak.

From a personal standpoint, the deeper I go into this, the more primitive I want to become. At the onset of my delving into the world of backpacking and personal self-reliance techniques and procedures, I thought all the primitive stuff was for a bunch of "wannabe Indian, hippie dope-smokers". I don't want to be an Indian, and I'm quite fine with my tobacco, but I'm starting to see that the primitive techniques are more in line with the approach I would like to take. YMMV.

jjw
07-06-10, 11:55
great stuff, i come here a lot more now that there is a survival preparedness board.i still dont post much as too many people argue with yoou on a subject yuou have been doing for 20-30 years or so. just read and absorb all i can.

i an not a gun guy by hobby or avocation. i kinda got into it by accident because of an association with ken hackathorn due to synergy in age and prior life experiences in the military, and forign places of work/ met hiom a 3 gun shoot and we hit it off. of course i had ar's and bhp's and 1911's before i came to ohio form Texas.

the more we prepare we cant go wrong.
u can always eat your preps in hard times
shoot ur ammo
use the generator
etc
etc

keep up the good work

Thomas M-4
07-06-10, 12:25
I would suggest an AXE considering long term survival chopping camp fire wood and shelter construction, Field dressing game. All stuff that needs to be done for long term survival.

6933
07-16-10, 10:07
Long term survivability means packing a select group of seeds to grow food and useful items(think gourds). No one set out into the early frontiers without seeds. Animal bladders can be used for water carriage as can gourds. 12-15 gourd seeds could give one bowls, ladles, spoons, storage containers, and water containers as well as food.

Outlander Systems
07-17-10, 09:49
Long term survivability means packing a select group of seeds to grow food and useful items(think gourds). No one set out into the early frontiers without seeds. Animal bladders can be used for water carriage as can gourds. 12-15 gourd seeds could give one bowls, ladles, spoons, storage containers, and water containers as well as food.

Dude; gourds are AWESOME.

When I was a kid, we used to make all kinds of silly stuff out of gourds.

Von Rheydt
07-17-10, 10:31
Good on yer' mate.

Last match gone? A viable alternative is the fire bow. "Yeah, OK", I hear from many folks. But, the truth is once you have mastered it ........ which takes between a morning and a full day you have the ability to make fire wherever you are. The pyramid building Egyptians used a pocket sized fire bow a bit like we use Bics. So the technology has been around for a long, long time, its just that we become lazy and rely on widgets and gizmos.

To succeed at firebow you need some basic tree ID skills for the woods, you need some basic knife skills to carve the kit, you need a length of 5mm or 6mm kernmantel for the bow string and then you need to practice. Once you have the technique it should take less than 2 minutes to have the beginnings of a fire.

It always gives me a real buzz to teach someone how to make fire using a primitive method. The look of achievement on their face is always amazing. Once they have it they carry that knowledge and ability around with them forever. Hell, my little boy could use a fire steel when he was 5 and would almost kill himself trying to use a firebow.........unsuccessfully as he does'nt have the muscle power.

Cordage: There are plenty of natural replacements for cordage......not even replacements to be honest. Just use the stuff our ancestors used to use before nylopropycordystring. Willow works well as does the under bark of trees as do nettles. You need to work them but they are more than up to the task. A recall ray Mears defending the use of natural cordage by making a tow rope out of willow and have the class members tow a Land Rover with it.......and that all happened before lunch.

Knives: I don't know how much flint there is over here in the USA but over in parts of Europe there is plenty. However, I do recal American Indians made stone (I presume flint) knives. So if you are in a real spot of trouble with no knife you can improvise from flint. Google 'flint napping'. Flint naturally breaks/flakes to a razor sharp edge..........to prove it to no one but myself I once shaved using shaving soap and a piece of flint. I would not have presented myself on a Sgt Majors parade but it worked after a fashion.

Water containers: Make up clay pots and fire them in the campfire. Find hollow tree wood sections or burn and carve out sections of tree.

It all depends how primitive you either want to go or are willing to go. What most people call survival nowadays is what our great, great, great grandparents used to call day to day living. No Wally World back then.

It is interesting to visit museums and to see the tools, implements and belongings of bygone times. There are quite a few things on display in many museums that nowadays feature in survival kits. My personal favorite waste of money is fire tinder in packets......check out charcloth you can make a lifetime supply for a couple of dollars.

Sorry for going on, favourite subject.

1700shadow
07-28-10, 13:57
Interesting post. I can get behind it, but question where you are headed with it.

The logical conclusion is that you end up stepping out your door with nothing but a knife, trusting that your skill sets will be enough. And they may be........

The question I ask is where do you draw the line concerning gear vs. skill. I am assuming it is well before my conclusion above. For instance, it takes time to find clay and fire a pot or to grow and then dry a gourd. What do you do in the mean time to carry water? Stepping out the door with a dedicated bottle and with your skill set to make more might be a better balance.

Caloric expenditure could also play a factor as you mentioned above. Yes you burn calories when you carry a piece of gear on your back. You also burn calories trying to make or find a piece of gear. The factors that affect your choice on weather to carry or make could be debated for ever. Each individual has their own take on this, my personal belief is that a balance between having the right gear and the right skill set is the way to go.

Please don't take this as a flame, you have obviously put some thought into this and I mean no disrespect. Finding balance with this might lead you further into your quest for sustainability.

Interested in your thoughts.
1700shadow

Von Rheydt
08-02-10, 20:06
In line with Mr. Shadow's comments.

Whilst it may not be comfortable or practical to spend experiental 'extreme camping weekends' wearing your skivvies and being equipped only with a knife, training should point in that direction.

There are a multitude of skills to learn to be even basically competent in the Ulu never mind being an expert. Personally, tree ID was a killer for me ......... they all look the bloody same, now I've got to re-learn the subject here in the US.......oh, happiness.

Shelter building, fire making, water purification, basic trapping and plant ID should be up there on the list. Knife work should be practiced so that you can make structures, traps and tools. One of the best knife work exercises is to make fire bow sets and also spoons.

In the UK you can go on 1 day courses with experts to touch on subjects like flint napping, cordage making, basket weaving, funghi ID, game prep, bow making, tracking and lots of other old skills. There must be places around over here that you can go for similar training.

There are 3 courses I would recomend:

The WEISS Course run thru Bearclaw based in Sweden. This is a favourite with quite a few former specialist military types still seeing if they have what it takes.

http://bearclawsbushcraft.blogspot.com/2007/06/weiss-course.html

Mors Kochanski up in Kanuckistan. This guy is the master, thats all I can say. Google him, loads of viseos, buy his book, go do his course.

http://www.karamat.com/

The knife course. I was told about it by someone who was told about it............so a bit more digging may be needed. Its $295 for a weekend sooooo its not toooo pricey for a learning experience.

http://apathways.com/Subjects/CourseAndSchedule/descriptions/knife-only.htm

At the end of the day, the more knowledge you carry in your head the less you need to carry in your pack. And, hey, once I am settled in the US and I am looking to get out and about we can do an M4C camping/shooting weekend.