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Maybe someone who has tried more styles/ brands can help me? I am in need of "tactical" style pants for work. No I'm not military/police, but a construction guy in need of pockets and the ability to kneel all the time. Also, I do carry concealed, so the larger front pockets would be nice.
I have been using cargo style pants for work, but their size and locations of pockets are lacking. I use BDU's for shooting and love them, but they are too baggy and "informal" for bidding work. What I am looking for is something with the pockets and features of tactical pants, but that don't bag in the crotch as much. They don't need to be "discrete", just fit a little better. It would be nice if I could find one style that would be suitable for both.
I saw the pants the host wears on Davidson's Gallery of Guns,and like the fit but can't figure out what brand they are.
Thanks!
Davesrb
standsalone
07-07-10, 10:45
check out the pants LA Police gear sells... cut a little slimmer than bdu's
looked at Vertx?
Actually, I was looking at them last night. Is the consensus that I would need to order one waist size larger?
Davesrb
Actually, I was looking at them last night. Is the consensus that I would need to order one waist size larger?
Davesrb
I would. I had no issues initially but with shrinkage wish I had gone up one.
check out the pants LA Police gear sells... cut a little slimmer than bdu's
Do you mean these (http://www.lapolicegear.com/stealth-operator-pant.html)? They kind of look like a copy of the Vertx idea, but at $19...
Do you own any? feedback on sizing?
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/policestuff_2110_92948370
+1 for Vertx. Love them. Very comfortable and still not overly tactical looking. I did go up at least one size I believe.
Ive been wearing eotac's 201 light opereators for a bout a 2 years now, through classes, competition, work ect and have been extremely satisified. Lots of pockets, rip stop and great customer service.
http://www.eotac.com/collections/tacs/mens-operator-pant
+1 for Vertx. Love them. Very comfortable and still not overly tactical looking. I did go up at least one size I believe.
Yep, love them also. Definitely go up a size.
offroad_nomad
07-07-10, 12:45
Duluth Trading (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/clothes-workwear/mens/mens-pants/mens-pants.aspx)
I have a pair of their Everyday Work Pants and Firehose Work Pants -- comfortable, tough pants. Check them out, I think you'll like them.
Look @ Woolrich Elite series pants...they front pockets with Velcro tabs that fit a radio, small semi-auto.....
I have a pair of the LA Police Gear "Basic Operator pants" and they are excellent. Excellent quality, well tailored, with reinforcements exactly where you need them, and they are a bit more form fitted so they feel much nicer than overly baggy pants which I highly dislike. I haven't put them through the ringer in order to see how they hold up over the long term, but so far I'm very happy with the purchase. And they are extremely economical.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/basic-operator-pant.html
p.s. I tried the 5.11 stealth pants but they are way too baggy for tastes.
I have a pair of the LA Police Gear "Basic Operator pants" and they are excellent. Excellent quality, well tailored, with reinforcements exactly where you need them, and they are a bit more form fitted so they feel much nicer than overly baggy pants which I highly dislike. I haven't put them through the ringer in order to see how they hold up over the long term, but so far I'm very happy with the purchase. And they are extremely economical.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/basic-operator-pant.html
p.s. I tried the 5.11 stealth pants but they are way too baggy for tastes.
This is considered "form fitted"? I'm not bagging on you, I just see a pic like this and think it looks like the guy has a load in his britches. Or several loads.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/policestuff_2109_107802785
well, first of all those seem to be at least a size too big for that dude!
you should have linked the other picture from that webpage of the cat wearing the kakhi colored ones as he's got pants that actually fit, and you can see that they are more form fitted than, for example, the 5.11 covert cargo pants (which are way to baggy in my opinion) and the basic 5.11 tactical pants tailoring
clearly not as form fitted as the LA police stealth version that you linked below however, but still they definitely stay out of the "clown" pants category that many cargo/tactical/bdu pants fall in
Vertx FTW for the average Joe. They are some tough ass pants. And their customer service rocks.
I have found the Wrangler cargo and carpenter pants sold at Walmart at 18ish to be the absolute intersection of quality and value without looking "tacticool". The fact that they are instantly available is quite attractive as well.
Having said that, I am mildly intrigued by the LAPG Steath pants at 19.99. ETA is end of July according to their on line chat helper.
I have found the Wrangler cargo and carpenter pants sold at Walmart at 18ish to be the absolute intersection of quality and value without looking "tacticool". The fact that they are instantly available is quite attractive as well.
How's the weight on these? Being in Florida I find almost all of the "tactical" pants to be of far too heavy a material, and too many layers of same, even in Winter.
I compiled a tactical pants guide for TacticalPants.com not too long ago -> http://tacticalpants.com/tactical-pants-guide It puts all the "tactical" brands side by side. There isn't too much about fit on there though, since pants fit differently on different body types. It does include the width of the pant legs on each, which would help determine whether the pants would be too baggy or not.
There's definitely a LOT of choices out there. I covered 32 different types of tactical pants in the guide.
As far as Vertx goes, I had a friend who said they were too baggy on him. Then again, I had another friend who loves them. Also, Propper has just launched another tactical pant in its Genuine Gear line. I have a pair sitting on my desk right now if you want to know anything about them.
Also, Propper has just launched another tactical pant in its Genuine Gear line. I have a pair sitting on my desk right now if you want to know anything about them.
They online yet? I had a pair of their pants and shorts and threw them both away because the pockets were too small to be of any use.
They online yet? I had a pair of their pants and shorts and threw them both away because the pockets were too small to be of any use.
http://www.epropper.com/products/159/category/50/Genuine%20Gear%20Tactical%20Trousers.htm
We're getting them up on TacticalPants.com this week for $19.99. In the tactical pants review, I measured all the pocket sizes myself so you can compare and contrast them. http://tacticalpants.com/tactical-pants-guide#PROPPER Looks like the cargo pockets are bigger on the new ones. The regular Tactical Trousers had 6 inch by 6.5 inch cargo pocket while the GG pants cargos have double cargo pockets at 8 inches by 7.5 inches and 7.75 inches by 7.75 inches.
Rob S,
Re the Wrangler Carpeter/Cargo Pants weight- They are single layer with kind of a brushed, twill finish. They will take a decent crease when ironed.
I would say lighter than denim, much lighter than standard Carhart, Key or original Woolrich Tactical. No heavier than a standard 5.11
though they have a brushed feel. While not ripstop comfortable, they are definite wearable in a midwest summer.
When washed inside out in cold water and cool dried over a 70 min cycle, no waist or inseam shrinkage at all. I have a pair of grey carpenter and kahki cargo and will buy more of each.
I have no doubt that Vertx and Eotac etc. are bettter pants, but they are also 3x the price. IMHO, they are not 3x as good nor will they last 3x as long given how I wear them. Moreover, the Wranglers seem much more "greyman" to me.
I fully acknowledge that others may have need for a more rugged pant such that the pricepoint of the Vertx/Eotac etc are worth it to them.
YMMV Greatly,
David of vcdgrips.com
http://www.epropper.com/products/159/category/50/Genuine%20Gear%20Tactical%20Trousers.htm
We're getting them up on TacticalPants.com this week for $19.99. In the tactical pants review, I measured all the pocket sizes myself so you can compare and contrast them. http://tacticalpants.com/tactical-pants-guide#PROPPER Looks like the cargo pockets are bigger on the new ones. The regular Tactical Trousers had 6 inch by 6.5 inch cargo pocket while the GG pants cargos have double cargo pockets at 8 inches by 7.5 inches and 7.75 inches by 7.75 inches.
Thanks.
It was actually the hip pockets, especially on the shorts, that were the problem. I couldn't even get my keys in and out of my pocket, and if I clipped a knife on there it obviously made things much, much worse.
ETA:
Not feeling this AT ALL!
https://www.epropper.com/site_images/product_images/Genuine_Gear_Tactical_Trousers_SLarge2_159.jpg
I couldn't even get my keys in and out of my pocket, and if I clipped a knife on there it obviously made things much, much worse.
Wow, well I can see why you threw them away! Looks like the front pockets are the same size on the new pants.
Dale Gribble
07-08-10, 10:35
Not tactical brand but they are what I wear for work (building decks/docks etc.) Plenty of space for my wallet, mini-maglite, brown paper bag full of screws and so forth. Hold up pretty well and dry quickly if you've been in the water.
Offtopic, but I can't even count how many times I've forgotten to remove my cell phone and smokes before diving in to set a post lol.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dickies-Men-s-Relaxed-Fit-Ripstop-Cargo-Pants/10854240?sourceid=1500000000000003260430&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10854240
The North Face has some good zip off pants that turn into shorts in Kahki and Grey
TAD has a good sale going on right now. I bought 2 pair of their rip-stop shorts, 1 green and 1 khaki, listed on their website for $70 and in store got them for $30. They also have their rip-stop pants and quite a few jackets on sale for a good price as well.
My reason for getting them is their very light weight and seem to be built really well. The extra protection on the pocket for knives is a nice detail. Give them a call and see if they'll honor their sale prices over the phone if you're not local to them, they're in San Francisco. http://www.tadgear.com/shop.php?id=846
This is considered "form fitted"? I'm not bagging on you, I just see a pic like this and think it looks like the guy has a load in his britches. Or several loads.
:D Part of it is that fact that that spaz is about 17" tall and weighs 6oz.; everything looks like "Hammer-pants" on him. That said, those thigh (knee!) pockets DO look like a couple of deployed F-14 air-brakes.
I'll echo Looey and encourage a look at the EOTAC pants. On a lark, I got a pair of their ripstop Lightweight Tactical pants, took a seam ripper to their thigh-pockets-that-are-too-low to-be-thigh-pockets and got rid of the things. Very pleased with the weight, the lack of "dumpster" effect, and I don't have a problem accessing the front pockets while sitting/driving.
In the month of June, I went from a NC heat snap with extra humidity on the side, to the deserts of California, and now the current bake session going on in VA. Really impressed with the things, personally. Very comfortable.
They're in the same price bracket as the Kuhl pants I also like a lot, so while they're not cheap, they're also not outrageous.
militarymoron
07-08-10, 16:52
as long as folks are built differently with various physiques with their own personal preferences, you're going to get different opinions of 'better fitting'.
Dale Gribble
07-08-10, 20:06
as long as folks are built differently with various physiques with their own personal preferences, you're going to get different opinions of 'better fitting'.
I thought we were all chiseled special forces types.... :D
What I am looking for is something with the pockets and features of tactical pants, but that don't bag in the crotch as much.
I use the 5.11 TDUs. I guess it depends on your body type, but for me they're very business casual doable and are far from baggy in the crotch. There's almost too little nut room for me.
They last forever too.... the ripstop is very rugged.
Rob S,
Re the Wrangler Carpeter/Cargo Pants weight- They are single layer with kind of a brushed, twill finish. They will take a decent crease when ironed.
I would say lighter than denim, much lighter than standard Carhart, Key or original Woolrich Tactical. No heavier than a standard 5.11
though they have a brushed feel. While not ripstop comfortable, they are definite wearable in a midwest summer.
When washed inside out in cold water and cool dried over a 70 min cycle, no waist or inseam shrinkage at all. I have a pair of grey carpenter and kahki cargo and will buy more of each.
I have no doubt that Vertx and Eotac etc. are bettter pants, but they are also 3x the price. IMHO, they are not 3x as good nor will they last 3x as long given how I wear them. Moreover, the Wranglers seem much more "greyman" to me.
I fully acknowledge that others may have need for a more rugged pant such that the pricepoint of the Vertx/Eotac etc are worth it to them.
YMMV Greatly,
David of vcdgrips.com
Thanks for the info on the Wrangler cargo. I've looked at them but haven't bought. I'll be buying a pair to morrow from Wally world. Price is right on these.
RogerinTPA
07-08-10, 20:45
Another vote for Vertex, well constructed, pretty light weight, durable, functional, comfortable and the biggest benny is that they don't look too tactical.
I've got a pair of 5.11s, 2 pairs of EOTacs, and several pairs of Kuhls that I wear at work (plainclothes LEO), hiking, or to the range.
My vote goes to EOTac for fit, functionality, breathability (I sweat easily), and comfort across the board. Caveat: While I like the discrete pants, I can do without the side zipper pocket. Don't mind that its there though. I love the operator pants, but they're probably too baggy or cargo-pant looking for the OPs needs.
Kuhls are also pretty sweet; I try to pick them up when they're on sale, or if I have a dividend coming from REI. Not a whole lot of pockets, but the pockets are rrom, and they fit like they're going to be worn on a trail or jobsite, as opposed to sitting at a desk. My favorite "non-tactical" pants.
I leave the 5.11s at work in case I'm working uniform, and suddenly have to switch to plainclothes.
Tornado_Racing
07-08-10, 21:15
I have found the Wrangler cargo and carpenter pants sold at Walmart at 18ish to be the absolute intersection of quality and value without looking "tacticool". The fact that they are instantly available is quite attractive as well.
Having said that, I am mildly intrigued by the LAPG Steath pants at 19.99. ETA is end of July according to their on line chat helper.
+1 for the Wranglers. VERY pleased with the quaility, fit, & price. The LAPG have me intrigued as well.
Tornado_Racing
07-08-10, 21:20
Rob S,
Re the Wrangler Carpeter/Cargo Pants weight- They are single layer with kind of a brushed, twill finish. They will take a decent crease when ironed.
I would say lighter than denim, much lighter than standard Carhart, Key or original Woolrich Tactical. No heavier than a standard 5.11
though they have a brushed feel. While not ripstop comfortable, they are definite wearable in a midwest summer.
When washed inside out in cold water and cool dried over a 70 min cycle, no waist or inseam shrinkage at all. I have a pair of grey carpenter and kahki cargo and will buy more of each.
I have no doubt that Vertx and Eotac etc. are bettter pants, but they are also 3x the price. IMHO, they are not 3x as good nor will they last 3x as long given how I wear them. Moreover, the Wranglers seem much more "greyman" to me.
I fully acknowledge that others may have need for a more rugged pant such that the pricepoint of the Vertx/Eotac etc are worth it to them.
YMMV Greatly,
David of vcdgrips.com
+1 for the description and if I might add on............
The front pockets are not tight at the openings and the rear pockets will store 2 AR mags but are not overly loose. The side cargo pockets have a velcro style closure, but are not baggy like BDU's, and the left side cargo has a smaller outer pocket for a G2 style flashlight.
Kuhls are also pretty sweet; I try to pick them up when they're on sale, or if I have a dividend coming from REI. Not a whole lot of pockets, but the pockets are rrom, and they fit like they're going to be worn on a trail or jobsite, as opposed to sitting at a desk. My favorite "non-tactical" pants.
FYI - Grey Group sells Kuhl pants. They appear to have lower prices than REI.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=683867#post683867
http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/ (http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/Detail.bok?category=ALL&no=2775&oem=K%C3%9CHL&searchpath=66652152)
I thought we were all chiseled special forces types.... :D
Well, if that describes somebody shaped like slightly slimmer Grimace....
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1125/grimacesumo.jpg
...then I'm adding "chiseled" to my resume under the Special Qualifications section.
As for Kuhl pants and Grey Group...great, now I have to fork over EVEN MORE money to those big jerky jerks. DAMN YOU GREY GROUP!!
FYI - Grey Group sells Kuhl pants. They appear to have lower prices than REI.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=683867#post683867
http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/ (http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/Detail.bok?category=ALL&no=2775&oem=K%C3%9CHL&searchpath=66652152)
I've been interested in trying these for some time but with no local retailer I'm torn. I'm kind of over chasing around the various tactical britches trying to figure out who sizes what how.
I like the idea of those Wranglers the other guys were talking about because they're $20 and I can buy, and try them on, locally.
Vertx here, almost exclusively.
Tornado_Racing
07-28-10, 09:33
I have a pair of the LA Police Gear "Basic Operator pants" and they are excellent. Excellent quality, well tailored, with reinforcements exactly where you need them, and they are a bit more form fitted so they feel much nicer than overly baggy pants which I highly dislike. I haven't put them through the ringer in order to see how they hold up over the long term, but so far I'm very happy with the purchase. And they are extremely economical.
http://www.lapolicegear.com/basic-operator-pant.html
p.s. I tried the 5.11 stealth pants but they are way too baggy for tastes.
I just ordered a pair of LAPG Operator Tactical Pants (http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapolicegear-operator-lightweight-tactical-pants.html). I really like the design, features, and price. If the sizing & fit are correct I'll order a few more pair.
Thanks for the info.
I ordered a few pair too. For $15.99, It's worth a shot. Worst case... they become range pants.
SmokeJumper
07-29-10, 01:32
Thanks for the info on the Wrangler cargo. I've looked at them but haven't bought. I'll be buying a pair to morrow from Wally world. Price is right on these.
The Wrangler Ranger pants are great and are a ripstop type of material.
I picked up two pairs of The North Face convertible pants/shorts at Cabela's recently as they were on sale for $45/each. I really like the synthetic (non-cotton) material for these hot summers months. They are extremely cool and they dry fast. There are a bunch of pockets that fit all of my gear nicely. There is also a zipper-up side pocket which is perfect for stashing a pocket pistol.
Im hoping they are still on sale so I can pick up a few more.
Since we are talking about pants, any suggestions for the least tactical looking pants? Something that doesn't make you look like you are carrying a gun that also has a trimmer fit like the OP is looking for.
Not a "tacticool" type guy myself but I really like Mountain Khakis for training...
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50722&highlight=pants
Thanks to all the good reviews, just placed an order for two pair of the Vertx pants. I ordered two different sizes to hopefully find the one that works and send the others back.
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SW-Shooter
07-30-10, 02:22
I hate to give up my secret stash, but here goes. cat5com on Ebay, the Propper brand has been good for me.
I like propper, but the nylon/cotton ripstop BDUs don't really last very long for me.
The 5.11 TDUs lasted my 4 to 5 times as long... in fact, I haven't killed a pair yet, and I wear them every day to work.
SW-Shooter
07-30-10, 17:53
In Texas the lightweight really aids in cooling, the 65% Poly / 35% Cotton Ripstop are good enough for daily use, but then again I'm not rolling in the grass or bumping against concrete buildings either. The 5.11 are also more expensive than these $30.00 pants so I'd expect more from them.
The proppers are much more comfortable for range use because they are indeed lighter and looser, but the belt loops fall off, and the front pockets rip open, etc.
For me the TDUs are too tight fitting for range use, but they work great for casual work wear since they offer a less baggy fit.
Thanks to all the good reviews, just placed an order for two pair of the Vertx pants. I ordered two different sizes to hopefully find the one that works and send the others back.
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Well, I usually wear a 38 in pants so I originally ordered a 40x34 and a 42x32 and got them today. Both were way too big at the waist and actually seemed pretty baggy on my legs and I don't have chicken legs like some. Have to send them back. Just placed the order for 38 - hope they aren't too small. The pants did seem to be longer than usual - I wear 34L and the 32L seemed about right, the 34L was way too long.
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Wrangler Rip Stop Cargo Pants- Wal Mart 17.50
I posted earlier in the thread about the twill version of the Wrangler Cargo and Carpenter Pant. Imagine my pleasant surprise when I came across a lighter rip stop version of the pant. I purchased a Greenish Gray version of the pant. They had a Khaki as well.
I purchased a pair, hit with a bit of iron to take out the creases and worn them during a Southern Missouri 95 degree/95 % humidity day
while shoooting 4 pistol and 4 shotgun COFs. Bottom Line- A very comfortable and function pant in the hot weather.
The pants are roomy in cut and absolutely at least true to size
(36 waist/34 inseam). This may be key for those who carry AIWB/IWB and whoses leg length can be on the edge between a 34 inseam ( commonly available) and a 36 inseam ( often a PITA to find).
The cargo pockets were slightly belowed and easily held 4 extra pistol mags or 25 shotgun shells. The front pockets are deep enough that a J frame in a pocket holster can easily be stashed and accessed.
IMNSHO, fit, function and fashion, far exeed the pricepoint on this line of clothing. Notably, the "WRANGLER" brand tag is easily removed to
futher "greyman" the pants and/or to hide the fact that you "tacpants" only cost 18 bucks and came from Wal Mart. :D
ForTehNguyen
08-04-10, 10:36
Im happy with my 5.11 ripstop pants, lotta pockets, butt and knee area are double lined.
When the Eotac Light Tactical come off backorder. I'll let you know how they work for me. I ordered back in June. I called Eotac yesterday. I was told they are on backorder from them. When they get them. They will ship out.
I got these damned LAPolicegear pants and they fit great. They're somewhat of a rip off of many of the Force 10 pants features, but the Force 10s fit TOO BAGGY for me.
I'll see how they hold up, but fit and features are good.
You should take a look at what Carhartt has. They now sell some carpenter and cargo pants, in a lighter fabric, than their standard heavy work canvas. They work equally well as semi-business casual office wear or in a field/shop/construction environment.
ColdDeadHands
08-08-10, 10:02
Tru Spec 24/7's
I don't know if they have been mentioned yet but I like them...only drawback are tight belt loops with a 1.5" belt.
Inability to easily run a 1.75 inch belt for a pant like this would be UNSAT in my book. Thank you for the heads up.
Finally got my Eotac 201 Operator pants. Well made and nice and comfortable. Even in this 84+ F day today. Now I need a pair of the 203s.
ColdDeadHands
10-26-10, 17:47
I got myself a set of the LAPG stealth operator pants about 8 weeks ago and have to say for 19 bucks I can't complain.
I've been sporting some of the various LAPG pants for a few years, and one of the things I notice right off the get-go is that the ones with buttons do not have the buttons secured properly. Often of the 4 holes in the center of the button you will see that there is thread only in 2 holes and not many loops of thread at that. When you get them, grab the buttons and with a medium pull, try to rip them off. Most will rip off with a firm jerk. I have my wife-unit cut all of the buttons off and hand sew them on, ending the problem of your dingis falling out of your open fly at work. For the price I like them. I prefer my 5.11 pants over the LAPG, but at over twice the price I still often default back to LAPG branded pants.
LAPG has some pants that are zipper fly, button waist and also with the elastic waist. These are the cats patudy! I like the elastic waist because I am mildly fat and at work I am forced to climb and crawl under/over things all the time. The comfort I gain with the stretch waist is great. Again, the 5.11 pants are even better, but $19-$29 for LAPG vs $50+ for 5.11 allows you to accept sewing on the buttons.
My favorite LAPG pants are the LA Police Gear Elastic Waistband Operator Pant. Plastic zipper fly (metel detector freindly) and elastic waist. My Android Fascinate fits in the front thigh slots and it has the pockets down on your calves that I drop a flashlight in one and a camera in the other while at work. I can pack out almost all of my work equipment into the pockets and climb ladders with my hands empty and no gear bag hanging from my neck. I love it!
http://www.lapolicegear.com/elastic-waist-operator-pant.html
ColdDeadHands
10-26-10, 19:22
I've been sporting some of the various LAPG pants for a few years, and one of the things I notice right off the get-go is that the ones with buttons do not have the buttons secured properly. Often of the 4 holes in the center of the button you will see that there is thread only in 2 holes and not many loops of thread at that. When you get them, grab the buttons and with a medium pull, try to rip them off. Most will rip off with a firm jerk. I have my wife-unit cut all of the buttons off and hand sew them on, ending the problem of your dingis falling out of your open fly at work. For the price I like them. I prefer my 5.11 pants over the LAPG, but at over twice the price I still often default back to LAPG branded pants.
LAPG has some pants that are zipper fly, button waist and also with the elastic waist. These are the cats patudy! I like the elastic waist because I am mildly fat and at work I am forced to climb and crawl under/over things all the time. The comfort I gain with the stretch waist is great. Again, the 5.11 pants are even better, but $19-$29 for LAPG vs $50+ for 5.11 allows you to accept sewing on the buttons.
My favorite LAPG pants are the LA Police Gear Elastic Waistband Operator Pant. Plastic zipper fly (metel detector freindly) and elastic waist. My Android Fascinate fits in the front thigh slots and it has the pockets down on your calves that I drop a flashlight in one and a camera in the other while at work. I can pack out almost all of my work equipment into the pockets and climb ladders with my hands empty and no gear bag hanging from my neck. I love it!
http://www.lapolicegear.com/elastic-waist-operator-pant.html
Buttons aren't a problem with the stealth pants as the 1 that's on it is metal. While I don't have any first hand exp with their sew on buttons I agree with you that it really isn't a issue. I've been wanting to try their elastic waist band operator pants....I need to get a pair when I order from them the next time.
This is considered "form fitted"? I'm not bagging on you, I just see a pic like this and think it looks like the guy has a load in his britches. Or several loads.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/policestuff_2109_107802785
I have a pair of these in black, and they fit a lot better than normal BDUs but are definitely not 'low-key'; they look like 5.11s. If they made the same things without the plastic clips and front-most pockets they would be great. They're light, and lasted well so far but I don't feel like I've pushed them very hard yet.
-B
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