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neo9710
07-24-10, 13:21
Im new to this game so bear with me.. I read an article the other day about Quickclot but I believe it is not the gauze type (see link below). Another option mentioned was Celox. Preferences? QuickClot is a little expensive...Ill post up what I have and putting in my pouch in a few..

http://connect.jems.com/forum/topics/has-anyone-used-quick-clot-in

rsgard
07-24-10, 14:40
quik clot no longer causes burns. When quik clot was first used in the military it would heat up when applied and could cause burns. They now use a new formula that doest heat up past 120 degrees F. For comparison the last hot tub I was in was at 110. Quik clot no longer comes in a powder but as a gauze which I would think makes the wound easier to clean for surgical repair.

I've not had much experience with celox. I know it's seashell based and some questions were brought up about shellfish allergys. The celox I've seen was a 1mm thick pad of the substance with a bandaide type backing.

after checking celox website it seems that it now comes in gauze too. To me gauze is preferable to powder for several reasons, not the least of which is I don't want it in my eyes. In the civi world any of these products are last line to prevent exsanguination. That being said on my medic I would use either but only after other measures have failed including tourniquets.

titsonritz
07-24-10, 16:24
You may find this useful.

http://aisvid.uthscsa.edu/mediasite/Viewer/?peid=68e82964-b7e5-47d7-8ec0-e1b3dd879aa6

chuckman
07-24-10, 19:39
The mil has used just about all of them--celox, quikclot, hemcon--but has always gone back to hemcon. The research is pretty clear that quikclot is usually (but not necessarily always) better. We are trialling quikclot in my setting and would be suprised if we didn't go to it.

neo9710
07-24-10, 21:07
Thanks all -Guess Im going to go the QuickClot route. I have a couple of different first aid kits (one for motorcycle riding, boo boo kids, SHTF Active Shooter in the making).

I havent decided what I would like to put in my SHTF kit yet. Right now its just an empty Maxpedition Fight Medical Pouch...Ill post up some photos probably tonight..

starlight_cdn
08-15-10, 10:47
The US CoTCCC and the Cdn WGCCC both recommend Quikclot gauze in the 2010 TCCC Guidelines. The Canadian Forces has changed to Quikclot gauze for all IFAK, BOKs, and TCCC kits. Not sure about US troops.

From my limited experience, I have used a number of hemostatic agents: some in trg and some in theater. Quikclot, Quikclot ACS, Hemcon, Celox, Woundstat and Quikclot Gauze. However, Quikclot Gauze is the most effective, primarily because it is a wound packing with hemostatic qualities. Your Wound Packing (http://www.youtube.com/user/WhiskeyDelta737#p/c/F9095BFC3061D93F/6/2KHaXzwdyes) technique is the real life saver.


Another Wound packing Video (http://www.youtube.com/user/WhiskeyDelta737#p/c/F9095BFC3061D93F)

Quikclot Gauze training video (http://www.youtube.com/user/WhiskeyDelta737?has_verified=1#p/c/F9095BFC3061D93F/29/G3TKfdFHAtM)

Not trying to sound preachy, just trying to pass on some info....

sniperbusch@hotmail.com
08-27-10, 10:19
Any thoughts or confirmation that hemostatic, chitosan-based CELOX Gauze could be used as an alternate burn gel dressing?

rsgard
08-27-10, 11:17
Burns are a totally different animal. Bleeding is not the main concern with burns. Fluids, temperature, and infection control are primary concerns with burns until the victim can receive definitive care.

Small burns are best managed with sterile moistened burn dressings or gauze

Large burns are covered with dry burn sheets or dressings.

AZwildcat
08-27-10, 16:35
Im new to this game so bear with me.. I read an article the other day about Quickclot but I believe it is not the gauze type (see link below). Another option mentioned was Celox. Preferences? QuickClot is a little expensive...Ill post up what I have and putting in my pouch in a few..

http://connect.jems.com/forum/topics/has-anyone-used-quick-clot-in
I have some considerable experience with Quikclot and am a firm believer that it is unmatched in the ability to control otherwise uncontrollable bleeding.

The first generation of Quikclot was in a granular form that was originally issued to the Army and Marines at the very start of the war. That product was excellent at stopping the bleeding from horrific wounds, but had the problem of an exothermic reaction to liquid that caused some bad burns. It was also difficult to clean from the wound.

They came out with a better product that comes in the form of gauze that is impregnated with kaolin, a substance that causes the blood's own clotting cascade to begin and is much easier and cleaner to use. There in no "heat" generated at all. It is now offered in several types of packages and forms.

I have used both Quikclot Combat Gauze and Quikclot Sport and have used both products to treat bad bleeds. It even works on a person who uses blood thinners. When you consider the fact that Quikclot is something that you use to treat extreme bleeding cases, the price is not an issue. It saves lives and has no side effects. I would not consider any first aid kit complete without it.

Mattd59cdo
10-16-12, 09:32
Any thoughts or confirmation that hemostatic, chitosan-based CELOX Gauze could be used as an alternate burn gel dressing?

That is indeed true, you need to soak it in water first and then loosely wrap it around the burn.

Mattd59cdo
10-16-12, 09:33
I have used celox on a casualty in Afghanistan who had a GSW to his groin and it worked great, the bleeding stopped in a matter of seconds, it wasn't particularly pleasant stuffing the entire bandage into his flesh but it did the job, after stuffing I applied pressure for about 2 minutes just to be sure. I rate it really highly, I think it's a great bit of kit.