View Full Version : Friend dug this up in Iraq... any idea what it is?
So my friend came back from his last tour of the sandbox last year. I went to see him last weekend and he asked me to come down with him to his safe. He opened it up and showed me the following. He said he dug it up at a weapons cache near Fallujah.
He asked me if I knew what it was. I told him I didn't, but I'd find out. We took some pictures, which are below.
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-1.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-2.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-3.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-4.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-5.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-6.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-7.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-8.JPG
http://skyyr.com/images/iraq-scope/scope-9.JPG
There are no US Gov't markings, nor "US Property" markings, so I'm highly doubting that it's stolen. The manual says it has a thermal insert and can be used as a thermal scope. We haven't tried to turn it on, so no idea if it works.
So... what is this thing? Is it worth trying to get it to run? Is it worth anything?
Thanks in advance!
i'd like to say it may be a scope for the russian sniper rifles, dragonuv, but im not expert. had alot of those type scopes go thru my hands back in '04 when captured enemy ammo was still being brought onto base instead of blown inplace
check link
http://www.dragunov.net/pso_typejjj.html
Is it worth anything?
I would say not much, he should have kept the gold plated AK47....:D
Definitely a PS0-1 4x scope for a Russian SVD Dragunov of Chinese Type 79 copy.
Because the markings are in English, I'm inclined to go with Chinese.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=32550
jklaughrey
07-26-10, 22:03
Have to agree with Templar, seen a few of those back in 91-92 when Republican Guard surrendered to our unit. Of course I think our LT sent some home as "souvenirs". But he did get us drunk alot, good trade.
PS he must have dug deep lol, or was it a "market" find?
Iraq Ninja
07-26-10, 22:11
Probably is a Chinese export model of the scope. It is not worth much, especially in that condition. The scope that are worth something are the Iraqi marked scopes, made in Iraq.
Here is a cleaner photo of the same kind of scope..
http://www.dragunov.net/scopes/typejjj_box.jpg
Wow it must be nice to get stuff like that back. I am still pissed about the stuff I had to leave behind because of the gay ass import/ customs rules.
jklaughrey
07-26-10, 23:04
IG my brother you need an 8404 who knows how to smuggle items in containers marked and sealed as medical equipment. Although I am quite sure things are more stringent these days.
Have to agree with Templar, seen a few of those back in 91-92 when Republican Guard surrendered to our unit. Of course I think our LT sent some home as "souvenirs". But he did get us drunk alot, good trade.
PS he must have dug deep lol, or was it a "market" find?
Those LT's are something else aren't they!
During the Gulf War our Gun Platoon Leader went out one afternoon in the CO's vehicle, and came back with this in tow.....
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/4834145056_5626f76b78_z.jpg
IG my brother you need an 8404 who knows how to smuggle items in containers marked and sealed as medical equipment. Although I am quite sure things are more stringent these days.
I just wanted one glimpse into that amnesty box at KKMC.
With all the crap the MP's made us dump as they went through our gear....:(
Wow it must be nice to get stuff like that back. I am still pissed about the stuff I had to leave behind because of the gay ass import/ customs rules.
I'm pissed too. All I wanted to take home was a freaking bayonet. We tried like hell to talk to our chain of command about letting us take home some of the pistols and SKS's we took from soldiers or found in bunkers. We were threatened with 6 years and $10,000 in fines. I threw the bayonet into the amnestey barrel, you should have seen some of the shit in there, grenades, pistols, AK's, man what a waste!
We found out a few days later we could have kept our bayonets.
I gave up an AK bayonet and quite a few AK parts I saved from the AK's we destroyed. The under-folder below was one of numerous we destroyed one afternoon.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/4835251981_f8352292e7_z.jpg
This AK below I cleaned up and we presented to our Squadron CO. It was supposed to have been shipped back to Germany. Don't know for sure if it ever made it. Supposedly some of our captured weapons ended up in the 1AD museum.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/4835273133_ac6dc62251_z.jpg
Now speaking of digging things up....we literally dug this motorcycle out of a sand berm.
During the cease fire, sitting in Iraq on the border to Kuwait, Top came up to a couple of us one day and says "Grab a couple shovels out of an OVM, I have a surprise for you guys."
Top took us out to the spot where this Iraqi East German built MZ motorcycle was completely buried. Only one grip was sticking out of the sand.
It took us days of cleaning up, and parts off three other motorcycles we found, to get this one in operation. To get it started, we wired up a PRC77 battery. With the clutch cable inoperative, we needed a push and a dump into gear to get going, but this motorcycle kept us entertained through the boring sitting out of the Cease Fire.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/4835305953_952ce7714a_z.jpg
You don't have to go that far to find waste of good firearms. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/07/la-county-sheriffs-department-to-destroy-8300-weapons-seized-from-criminals.html
The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department will destroy 8,300 confiscated weapons Tuesday at a steel mill in Rancho Cucamonga.
...Deputy Bill Brauberger, who described the event as a celebration for the Sheriff’s Department.
“It’s pretty exciting and very visual,” said Brauberger, who attended the event last year.
...Tamco donates its furnace, equipment and personnel to convert the weapons into rebar and will allocate the steel from the melted weapons to be used for upgrades to freeways and bridges...
This year’s event will begin at 5 a.m. Tuesday, he said.
They should sell them and put the proceeds back into the educational system or their bankrupt economy.
William B.
07-27-10, 17:43
Those LT's are something else aren't they!
During the Gulf War our Gun Platoon Leader went out one afternoon in the CO's vehicle, and came back with this in tow.....
I believe that's a ZPU-4. Correct me if I'm wrong... Pretty sweet find.
I believe that's a ZPU-4. Correct me if I'm wrong... Pretty sweet find.
Yes Sir, ZPU-4.
They were available in Germany for East Block Recognition training. Eventually we had an opportunity to see them again in Iraq.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/4836198960_d373ddfd47_b.jpg
Here's a pic of a ZSU 23-4 we ran into on the battlefield in Iraq.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4835601137_64893e2b76_z.jpg
William B.
07-27-10, 20:40
Nice. Did you have an opportunity to fire it? That's his little brother in my avatar. I'll have pics up momentarily.
Nope, no opportunity to fire them.
William B.
07-27-10, 20:53
We found this beast buried in a field in Helmand Province back in '08. It's a ZPU-1.
http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/Colt_LE6920/ZPU-16.jpg
http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/Colt_LE6920/ZPU-14.jpg
http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/Colt_LE6920/ZPU-1145mmammo2.jpg
These are the markings that were on the feed tray cover. I have no idea what they mean (except that one is the serial number) but I figured it was worth capturing in a picture in case somebodyelse could.
http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/Colt_LE6920/ZPU-1.jpg
Nice pics!
Sure makes me wish digital cameras were around back in 90-91, instead of the crappy Kodak 110 I used......LOL.
William B.
07-27-10, 21:13
Nope, no opportunity to fire them.
That's too bad. I didn't get to fire mine either. Ours was disassembled when we got it to our FOB. The next morning we all tinkered with it until it was all back together except the feed tray cover. We couldn't figure it out. When our interpreter woke up he showed us how it went on. Something tells me he may have used one before... maybe in the 70's and 80's :cool:
That's too bad. I didn't get to fire mine either. Ours was disassembled when we got it to our FOB. The next morning we all tinkered with it until it was all back together except the feed tray cover. We couldn't figure it out. When our interpreter woke up he showed us how it went on. Something tells me he may have used one before... maybe in the 70's and 80's :cool:
LOL....we tinkered with the ZPU4 for a while.
It is designed with a sighting system (cross hairs) that light up. We were able to use the GI issue 6 volt batteries we had to get the system working.
LT drug this ZPU back from a spot along a road where a battery of ZPU's was set up.
We drove back out there rummaging around to see what else we could find, and brought back brand-new spare barrels still in their storage crates.
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