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Smoke colored PMAGs are out to several batches of people for field testing.
As you would expect, they insert without needing any extra pressure, and lock in place with ease in several different lowers. This was done empty, with a partial load, and with a full 30 rounds. My batch is out running through training and quals with a MSgt buddy of mine, and I'll start running them next week with fellow LE instructors.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_2772%20Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_2766%20Stick.jpg
SeriousStudent
06-23-07, 12:12
Those look very nice. Beautiful photography, as always. :)
A question for you. Has Magpul told you if they will be selling extra feed lip covers? I sent them an email, and have not received a reply yet.
I'm also wondering if they will release a version of the Ranger plates that will work with the Pmags.
dang... i want some of these :)
Bandaid_Cop
06-23-07, 12:39
Stickman, you tease!! :p
Now THAT would be a reason for me to buy some of these. If they figure out a way to put a Ranger pull on the bottom I will most definately pick up a few. I like these even better than the window model.
Stick, do you have a shot of one seated in a rifle?
I dig 'em. It will be interesting to see how the clear/smoked material holds up compared to the standard colors. Knowing Magpul, I have a strong suspicion they're going to hold up fine.
Oh Stickman I'm disappointed. I could have sworn last time you showed pictures of smoked Pmags, you promised that the next time (this time) there'd be alternating M855 green tip and red tip tracers!! :D
Oh Stickman I'm disappointed. I could have sworn last time you showed pictures of smoked Pmags, you promised that the next time (this time) there'd be alternating M855 green tip and red tip tracers!! :D
The Stick compound seems to have much more orange tip than red tip at the moment. How about a smoked PMAG loaded completely with orange tip?
well... how about the M249 loadout? like 3 green, one black one red?
bust out the paint.
Those look very nice. Beautiful photography, as always. :)
A question for you. Has Magpul told you if they will be selling extra feed lip covers? I sent them an email, and have not received a reply yet.
I'm also wondering if they will release a version of the Ranger plates that will work with the Pmags.
Thankyou sir. I had thought that extra feedlip covers would be available down the road, but I could be wrong.
7KOPPER has mentioned that a Ranger Plate was being looked at.
Magpul is crazy swamped busy right now, so if you don't get an immediate reply, don't hold it against them. Then again, if their email is anything like mine, the spam filter eats some of my incoming items that it shouldn't.
Stick, do you have a shot of one seated in a rifle?
Hopefully this is of some help.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_2802%20Stick.jpg
Oh Yeah.. Uncle Harv is changing his mind on ordering OD and waiting for these smoke... what are we looking for for release date to the masses??
Jay Cunningham
06-23-07, 21:21
I became quite a fan of transparent poly magazines after I ran them in my SLR-106FR. I suspect I'll be just as fond of the AR version...
Very nice. I'm gonna be getting some.
The 4 I have run very well.
They're growing on me slowly. My first reaction was they're very "Euro." :cool:
7KOPPER has mentioned that a Ranger Plate was being looked at.
Will a standard 5.56 Magpul fit onto a PMAG? I think I have seen a picture of it but can't remember where.
Will a standard 5.56 Magpul fit onto a PMAG? I think I have seen a picture of it but can't remember where.
Yes, they work well.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_0258%20Stick%20b.jpg
I got my test mags in. I'll post once I get some rounds through them and try a few things with them.
These smoke colored version of the PMAGs are being made by Magpul for TPD USA which will include them in their to be released (maybe after next month) AXR rifle which are Steyr AUG type US made rifle that takes AR mags.
TPD said (from the ref thread below) that these should be available in about a month.
More pics of smoke PMAGs in this noted thread link. :cool:
Any Steyr AUG Fans Here? thread link (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=59517#post59517)
Very nice. Can't wait to get mine!
C4
Rock-N-Ruin
06-24-07, 18:19
Yep, I definately will need some of those!!!
The 4 I have run very well.
They're growing on me slowly. My first reaction was they're very "Euro." :cool:
The 'Euro' thing crossed my mind too, Lumpy. ;)
I'm definately going to pick up a few.
Nice. Keep us posted Stickman!
Quick update
I don't have a round count from over the weekend, but a mixture of M855, M856, and R2LP (or whichever other frangible was used) was fired through the smoked PMAGs.
The above ammo was shot through 4 or 5 different M4s, as well as M16A2s, which allowed observation of the magazines feeding through both M4 feedramps and rifle feedramps.
The smoked PMAGs were dropped and treated the way you would expect guys to train. Full mags, partially loaded mags, and empty mags all hit the ground, which was concrete, gravel and dirt depending upon the shooting location. To show the durability of the smoked PMAGs, a fully loaded smoked PMAG was dropped onto the concrete pad from roughly 5 feet. This was done onto the feedlips, and onto the baseplate. The worst that happened was that a round popped out. No damage was detected to the magazine.
There were zero problems encountered, and the people involved had high praise for the magazines. While I don't consider this to be complete testing by any stretch, I think it gets things off to a good start.
Great to hear they are as rugged as the standard colored Pmags. I performed an in depth T&E on them before they were released and they took more abuse in two full hard days on the range than some of my aluminum GI mags have over 5 years of use.
They can sure take a hell of a beating and still show no scars.
I have 10 black and 10 tan.......now it looks like I'll need 10 smoked when they show up.
Thanks for the good picks and write up Stickman!
QuietShootr
06-25-07, 19:41
Isn't the plastic a totally different material from the colored PMags?
Isn't the plastic a totally different material from the colored PMags?
Yes it is.
Yes it is.
Stick, I really need to fly out to see you and have you show me a thing or two with the camera...great pics! :cool:
Hey Stick, when will the windowed version of these come out.
LOL..... Im sorry, but I wouldnt be surprised if someone actually asked you that at barfcom. Thanks for the pics.
I seem to recall a discussion on the differences in material strength between the transparent/translucent polymers and others. Something like they were more brittle, or had some other issue. Was that here? Anyone recall?
I am so getting a handful of these. I had a couple Jam-Line polymer magazines way back when, but got rid of them because they turned my AR into a manually operated carbine.
baffle Stack
06-26-07, 22:08
I seem to recall a discussion on the differences in material strength between the transparent/translucent polymers and others. Something like they were more brittle, or had some other issue. Was that here? Anyone recall?
I remember reading that too but it sounded mostly like speculation to me.
The Dumb Gun Collector
06-26-07, 22:34
It shouldn't be too hard since Steyr, SIG and HK have managed these mags for years.
on TPD website they are showing clear and smoke PMAGS for sale but marked backorder untill I believe the first week of july. I guess the clear ones will only be sold by them. may be wrong on that tho.
tpdusa
TPD-SOT contacted me on another board to make sure I was aware that the correct name for these is the TPD PMAG, and not the smoke PMAG.
For people who are interested, now you have the correct name.
I will be testing these this weekend...
We will report on Monday.
Cameron
More mags to get!
http://www.tpdusa.com/products.php?cat=7
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/Smoke01.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/Smoke02.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/Smoke03.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/Smoke04.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/Onthefloor03.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/Onthefloor02.jpg
I'll let you know how they behave after a few days of use and abuse....
FlyAndFight
06-29-07, 13:34
I really like these. Definitely picking up a few once available.
Pat_Rogers
06-29-07, 15:02
I never saw the need for a semi clear magazine, but apparently it is the rage in some circles. I am not a chemist, but am told by people that are that the properties of the so called "smoke" mags may indeed be different for a variety of reason- though less different as say black and FDE are.
I have four, and as i can break about anything, i'll try to in normal training which includes exposure to lube and cleaning materials.
Bottom line is that Rich Fitzpatrick is a class act and he stand by everything he does- always.
His latest msg traffic on 10-8 about replacing pre 07/07 PMAG bodies is proof of that, and he has my respect.
As expected we had no problems with the smoke coloured PMags over the weekend.
The ran in RRA, Bushie, LMT, Colt, and an XCR without any issues.
Cameron
Noveske N-4 carbine, TPD-PMAGs, and Vltor E-MOD stock..... Its like the full trifecta.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_3272%20Stick.jpg
Heavy Metal
07-04-07, 21:22
If MagPul had a corporate motto, it should be: "No Excuses"
......because they live up to that like few others do.
Noveske N-4 carbine, TPD-PMAGs, and Vltor E-MOD stock..... Its like the full trifecta.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_3272%20Stick.jpg
Stick, has John started shipping N-4's yet?
Not yet to the best of my knowledge.
On a side note, if you are out of 1st Group on Lewis, let me know. The ODA guys I know are deployed, otherwise they would be working the N-4 over already. Shooting it is certainly better than looking at pictures.
I might be out there tomorrow for a little bit, or possibly this weekend on the Lewis ranges.
Not yet to the best of my knowledge.
On a side note, if you are out of 1st Group on Lewis, let me know. The ODA guys I know are deployed, otherwise they would be working the N-4 over already. Shooting it is certainly better than looking at pictures.
I might be out there tomorrow for a little bit, or possibly this weekend on the Lewis ranges.
Stick, message sent.
More on topic - I'm reading reports of the FDE PMAGS experiencing failures (not many to speak of) that aren't normally seen with the black mags. You've probably put a lot of rounds through the various configurations - have you experienced any issues? Any reason why the FDE would have heat related failures over the black and would the smoked present a similar issue?
http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_120&products_id=271
It has come to the attention of Magpul Industries Corp that a number of users have experienced feeding problems with their PMAGs™ due to unusually tight magazine bodies. The primary symptom is sluggish follower response, or snagging when loaded with more than 20 rounds. These issues are a result of dimensional changes occurring after the PMAG™ left the Magpul factory, and only affect the PMAG™ body. Other PMAG™ components such as the follower, lock plate, floor plate, and impact cover are unaffected.
Improvements in the manufacturing process have resolved this issue on all PMAGs™ dated 7/07 and later. Although this issue affects only a very limited number of PMAGs™, Magpul will replace all PMAGs™ dated 6/07 and earlier. To determine your PMAG’s™ date of manufacture, check the round date code on the upper half of the left side of the PMAG™ (see image). The arrow points to the month of manufacture, and the year is in the center. If you are unsure of your PMAG’s™ performance, we encourage its replacement.
This PMAG™ exchange is at no cost to you. Please complete this order form detailing the magazines you will be returning. A valid credit card number is required for this exchange, but will not be immediately charged; we simply request you return your 6/07 and earlier PMAG™ bodies in a reasonable time frame. Should you decide to keep your 6/07 and earlier PMAG™ bodies, your credit card will be charged $5 per replacement body.
STICKMAN
WHAT IS THE BARREL LENGTH OF THAT NOVESKE?
IF ITS A 16", ITS THE BEST i COULD WANT!
Noveske thread shown below..... It wasn't my intention to hijack this thread, sorry about that. http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5947
I've now been out to the MIL ranges 3 times where the mags have continued to run flawlessly. LE work with them as been equally as impressive. Smoked or not, these magazines do exactly what they are supposed to, and have not shown themselves to be brittle.
Noveske N-4 carbine, TPD-PMAGs, and Vltor E-MOD stock..... Its like the full trifecta.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_3272%20Stick.jpg
:( Just when I thought I had it all figured out.
Is that a SMOKE P MAG????
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/The%20Team/JenAssesses01.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/2007cam/The%20Team/Hers01.jpg
:D
I finally got to run some rounds through my test mags. Put approx 200 rounds through them. Tried two different AR's that have different lowers and uppers. No issues at all. I want to put some more though them, but so far they seem to be running just fine.
My set of these mags has continued to run flawlessly with LE and MIL guys treating them like rented mules. They take a good beating, and keep feeding.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_2876%20Stick.jpg
Who's the hot chic with the cool AR?
baffle Stack
07-19-07, 21:00
Who's the hot chic with the cool AR?
Yeah... tell her she needs a BUIS.:p
Pat_Rogers
07-19-07, 21:03
We broke one of four last week in IN- it is in the AAR. It cracked on the feed lips and spine.
No definitive reason why.
The other three continue to run well.
Nothing is flawless...
They work just like the colored Pmags, have the nice follower, nice raised portion of material on the side. ( I like the grip I get get on them )
I'll keep using then and let the group know if I have any trouble with them.
Why are they being sold for 21 bucks when you can get the windowed pmags for 17???
little bit of a jump in price there.
Keep in mind, the smoke mags are made from a bit different material (if I understand correctly) than the standard PMags.
Keep in mind, the smoke mags are made from a bit different material (if I understand correctly) than the standard PMags.
You got it Hawkeye, TMAG material is more expensive than the PMAG due to the transparent nature of the TMAG.
Why are they being sold for 21 bucks when you can get the windowed pmags for 17???
little bit of a jump in price there.
I'm curious where you are able to currently buy them for $21.
You can't currently get them. But it looks like that is what they will be.
http://www.tpdusa.com/products.php?cat=7
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