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Several days ago three inmates escaped from a private correctional facility in Kingman, AZ. All three of the prisoners had violent pasts and I believe that 2 of them were convicted of murder. One has been arrested after a shoot out with police in Colorado.
There are some serious questions as to why they were held in a medium security facility.
Having said that it is being reported that they remaining two and a female accomplice have been linked to a murder a few days ago in Santa Rosa, N.M.
It might be worth it for anyone who is in N.M or the Santa Rosa area to do a Google search of these douche bags and take a look at their photos. If you live along the I-40 it may not be a bad idea to check them out as well.
It's a good thing those poor murders weren't executed, otherwise they might not have gotten a second chance to get out there and destroy the lives of more people.
They picked up the mother of one of those two guys. The news said she may know where her son is. I didn't get the name of which bg.
VooDoo6Actual
08-08-10, 09:27
Linky here:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/07/arizona.prison.escape.arrest/index.html
another:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/08/07/20100807arizona-escape-inmates-arrest-rbrk.html
they won't last long in AZ. ;)
rickrock305
08-08-10, 11:34
There are some serious questions as to why they were held in a medium security facility.
overcrowded prisons?
overcrowded prisons?
if so all the more reason to get rid of murderers and rapists violent people ! and do it the same way they did their victims !!!!!
montanadave
08-08-10, 16:40
And now these two pieces of shit have decided to visit my neck of the woods, reportedly hiding out in Yellowstone National Park.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/08/arizona.prison.escapees/index.html?hpt=T2
The bears have been pretty ornery this year. I hope Yogi and BooBoo get a chance to take a bite out of crime.
The bears have been pretty ornery this year. I hope Yogi and BooBoo get a chance to take a bite out of crime.
That there is sig line material! :D
My brother is moving that direction at the end of the month. I agree with your sentiments.
Buckaroo
rickrock305
08-08-10, 20:04
if so all the more reason to get rid of murderers and rapists violent people ! and do it the same way they did their victims !!!!!
i prefer the more sensible solution...end the drug war.
i prefer the more sensible solution...end the drug war.
HUH
what does this have to do with these two thugs killing people in cold blood after escaping ?
I want to cure world hunger lets join hands and sing now !!!
It's a good thing those poor murders weren't executed, otherwise they might not have gotten a second chance to get out there and destroy the lives of more people.
Exactly.
rickrock305
08-09-10, 00:19
HUH
what does this have to do with these two thugs killing people in cold blood after escaping ?
I want to cure world hunger lets join hands and sing now !!!
The OP stated that there are some serious questions as to why these dangerous people were being held in a medium security facility. I'm sure that has to do with overcrowding of prisons. And overcrowding of prisons is directly do to the ridiculous war on drugs, especially marijuana. And Arizona has pretty steep penalties for marijuana.
Our drug control policy should be: go OD and die. Can't afford drugs? We'll give you some, they're cheap enough, no need to rob anyone for drug money.
jklaughrey
08-09-10, 00:56
I say enforce our drug policy. Along the lines of Armakraut, I mean someone who with the intent of ingesting an illegal substance is no longer making good choices. OD and die sounds fine to me. And Rickrock, really "end the drug war". Sure let's go ahead and open the flood gates further and have millions more die due to drug usage. Having lived and grown up in Meth city USA in SoCal, I have seen numerous friends start with pot, and graduate to meth OD. Most ruined innocent lives on their path to self destruction.
Like the eagles said, some drink to remember, some drink to forget.
Belmont31R
08-09-10, 01:18
I say enforce our drug policy. Along the lines of Armakraut, I mean someone who with the intent of ingesting an illegal substance is no longer making good choices. OD and die sounds fine to me. And Rickrock, really "end the drug war". Sure let's go ahead and open the flood gates further and have millions more die due to drug usage. Having lived and grown up in Meth city USA in SoCal, I have seen numerous friends start with pot, and graduate to meth OD. Most ruined innocent lives on their path to self destruction.
Which is exactly why its stupid (WOD).
If possible jail time, messed up body, OD'ing, dying, etc are all not good enough reasons for someone not to do something NOTHING is. The situation you described is exactly why the WOD is so stupid. You cannot save people from themselves unless they make good decisions to begin with. Not everyone in the world does despite spending tens of billions, filling jails, people OD'ing, creating an entire black market drug market, etc.
But that is the same with any law. Laws punish people for doing things after the fact. They are not a prevention method. Its same logic as banning guns....and the liberals say then there would be no gun crime. It doesn't work that way with guns, drugs, murder, or anything else. Drug laws do not keep people from doing drugs. They just punish them after the fact if they get caught, and people make big bucks taking the risk of selling/dealing/transporting drugs.
I had a friend from HS die from drugs just last year, and I never once thought "gee if we had tougher laws he would still be alive". We've been doing this WOD thing since the 50's and 60's....yet the situation is as worse as its ever been especially in MX. At least society was smart enough at one point to repeal prohibition, and the alcohol violence pretty much disappeared in short order. People got stupid again, and decided to do prohibition all over again expect this time against drugs. This time we haven't been smart enough to figure out prohibition doesn't work....it didn't work against alcohol, and its not worked against drugs. We've just made the situation worse. Now we have cartels shooting it out, and turning Mexico into a giant narco controlled state, the gang violence here, we've turned drugs into a taboo which increases curiosity, and many more "unintended consequences".
The billions we spend on the WOD making things worse, and the trillions we've spent on entitlement spending could have locked up real criminals like this properly. Most crimes like rape, murder, pedophiles, robbery, etc are committed by a revolving group of less than 10% of the population. We keep these people in and out of jails..out just long enough to rape or rob someone else, and then stick them back in there for 10 years or less. If these bottom 10% were locked up properly (meaning life) crime would be far lower in this country than it is. Most of the big prisons for real criminals have a return rate between 60% and 80%.
jklaughrey
08-09-10, 01:28
I respect your view and opinion, I just don't see a clear alternative that could be any better than what we are doing right now. If people choose to destroy themselves I have no issue with that. My issues stems from the innocents that are victims due to the illicit drug usage. Seen to many children neglected by drug addicted parents in my career. If legalization of said substances came with a guarantee that no innocent blood would be spilled or child suffer at the hands of a "legally" high parent than fine. Until than I will keep arresting junkies and testifying so our DA can prosecute and the judge's impose the most suitable sentence allowed.
Sorry for your friend, my best friend just happened to commit suicide while I was sitting next to him. So yes it is personal when your picking skull and brain out of your hair afterwards. But tougher laws wouldn't have stopped him, nor prison. But I would like to think he might have been scared enough tho quit if he was arrested and jailed. In any case he only hurt himself, imagine if he had a family and decided they no longer needed to live as well while under the influence. It happens and it is saddening. That is my point in still having the "War on Drugs".
Belmont31R
08-09-10, 01:42
I respect your view and opinion, I just don't see a clear alternative that could be any better than what we are doing right now. If people choose to destroy themselves I have no issue with that. My issues stems from the innocents that are victims due to the illicit drug usage. Seen to many children neglected by drug addicted parents in my career. If legalization of said substances came with a guarantee that no innocent blood would be spilled or child suffer at the hands of a "legally" high parent than fine. Until than I will keep arresting junkies and testifying so our DA can prosecute and the judge's impose the most suitable sentence allowed.
Sorry for your friend, my best friend just happened to commit suicide while I was sitting next to him. So yes it is personal when your picking skull and brain out of your hair afterwards. But tougher laws wouldn't have stopped him, nor prison. But I would like to think he might have been scared enough tho quit if he was arrested and jailed. In any case he only hurt himself, imagine if he had a family and decided they no longer needed to live as well while under the influence. It happens and it is saddening. That is my point in still having the "War on Drugs".
My point is the billions we spend and the countless people we lock up do not stop it, and we have made the situation worse by turning it underground.
The same arguments you are making is the arguments used for prohibition, and one way or another people are going to get the product they want. Prohibition did the same thing thats happened now. Organized crime killing people in the streets, making tons of money, etc. Thats why we have the NFA because the violence was so bad people got fed up with the gangsters battling each other in the streets. Here we are in 2010, and there are calls for more gun laws because the gov decided to ban something, turned the market into underground crime rings, violence breaks out, and the fix is gun control for all of us. How many 10's of thousands die to drug violence in MX and the US? We cannot fix the user side through laws and jail but we can at least reduce the supplier side by legalizing the crap, and instead of spending money fighting them we can rake in tax dollars like any other business.
Lots of people die every year from alcohol related incidents, and it was a huge problem when I was active duty. Nearly every time someone got in trouble alcohol was involved. My mom was almost killed before she had me because a drunk hit her head on at 60MPH. My grandpa was an alcoholic and shot himself in the head. But a lot more people would die if beer and whiskey turned underground. Same thing with drugs. As "bad" as they are for society its just what it is, and no matter how many dollars we pour into fighting it or people we lock up its going to happen.
Id like to see more resources put into keeping the pedos, rapists, robbers, murderers, and such locked up. It would do a lot more for society. A day someone caught with pot in their car spends in jail is a day a rapist or pedo could be locked up.
Very sorry to hear that your friend did that. Your dignity is defined by who you love, not who loves you in return.
A lot of drug violence is a manifestation of the black market nature of its sale.
The thing that has been on the forefront of creating addicts has been divorce-on-demand and subsidizing single mothers through child support, healthcare and welfare who refuse to get married before they have a child. This doesn't just cause drug use, children growing up without a moral support network are prone to all sort of mental disorders and criminal, violent behavior. The legality or illegality of drug use has little to do with it. The market will provide the level of drug use people have the ability to pay for. You can spend nothing on law enforcement, you could spend a lot and have the same effect.
Druggies, like these killers are largely incapable/unwilling to change their behavior. Druggies hurt themselves mainly, and the people that care for them. Violent murders will hurt anyone if it serves their purposes, they need to be in a ditch with extra ventilation hole(s).
jklaughrey
08-09-10, 02:04
Both you Belmont and Armakraut make valid points, and given the issues at hand, if a choice was btw locking up pedos versus pot heads, well there is no choice, pedos go to prison.
Along the social breakdown lines, well you know the saying "ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure". If we could find a better way to get them on the front end versus the middle or end, we would be better off in the drug war. I just don't want a "Caligula" style drug orgy happening if all bets were off on everything became legal. If your citizens imbibe unregulated, who do you trust then? I mean I would be really leery of my doctor when going in for surgery if drugs were legal and I knew he was pro legalization. Might wake up with marbles in my gut and a boob job.
Belmont31R
08-09-10, 02:33
Both you Belmont and Armakraut make valid points, and given the issues at hand, if a choice was btw locking up pedos versus pot heads, well there is no choice, pedos go to prison.
Along the social breakdown lines, well you know the saying "ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure". If we could find a better way to get them on the front end versus the middle or end, we would be better off in the drug war. I just don't want a "Caligula" style drug orgy happening if all bets were off on everything became legal. If your citizens imbibe unregulated, who do you trust then? I mean I would be really leery of my doctor when going in for surgery if drugs were legal and I knew he was pro legalization. Might wake up with marbles in my gut and a boob job.
Employers still have the option to do drug testing, and fire people for using. Even if drugs were legalized, anyways, that doesn't mean its an automatic free for all. Alcohol was legalized, and we still have DUI laws, a hospital wouldn't put up with a drunk doctor, if I showed up for work smelling like alcohol Id probably get fired, etc.
Besides I think the most common drug is pot, and that rarely has the side affects other drugs do. Its a very small segment that uses hard core drugs. Id never do any of that shit anyways but I think people have this idea in their head that legalizing drugs means half the people are going to be tripped out on coke, meth, etc. Growing up in SoCal I knew a lot of potheads, and they were much more stupid than dangerous. They were more interested in getting high and being stupid in their own houses than causing anyone any trouble. Two of them in fact joined the Army around the same time I did. One went to Iraq twice in the 82nd Airborne, and the other is going through the Green to Gold program right now.
A good example is Europe, and while not all drugs are legal there they have a lot less drug related crimes than we do. They have organized crime but it doesn't so much revolve around drugs. Most of that is in Eastern Europe and human trafficking, stolen vehicles, and weapons. They still do drug rings but it doesn't have near the violence we have here. Its kinda hard to have organized drug crime when you can grow your own pot or go to a "coffee shop", and order it off a menu.
Any social and behavioral specialist will tell you the front end starts at birth. If you want a good outcome, start with good choices. The government subsidizes some bad choices right now, divorce and single-motherhood. Statistically your chances are so high of doing something bad if you're in those categories that Ann Coulter titled a chapter in one of her books "Victim of a Crime? Thank a Single Mother".
jklaughrey
08-09-10, 02:45
Makes me really glad I didn't fall in that category or else I might have to be a criminal instead of posing as a cop. LOL, in any case good discussion gentlemen. Our country may not be perfect and we have more than our share of issues, but it is all we got for the time being. Thank God we are diverse in nature and can discuss and ponder new ways to better our lives and those around us.
Now one of them is headed my way, Great :mad:
(CNN) -- An escaped Arizona convict was seen in Casper, Wyoming, and now may be headed toward friends and family in Indiana, according to U.S. Marshal Fidencio Rivera.
ETA: Better News!
(CNN) -- After 11 days on the lam, Arizona prison escapee Tracy Province has been captured in Meeteetse, Wyoming, police said Monday.
Buckaroo
RancidSumo
08-09-10, 17:43
I like Tonga's solution to this. I just got back from visiting there and while I was there five prisoners escaped from the prison. In Tonga, if you escape from prison, anyone who finds you is allowed and even encouraged to beat the shit out of you to the point that you are almost dead, throw you in the back of a truck, and haul you back to prison. Large groups of young men spend their nights there out looking for escaped prisoners because they think it sounds fun (they caught them all)
I like Tonga's solution to this. I just got back from visiting there and while I was there five prisoners escaped from the prison. In Tonga, if you escape from prison, anyone who finds you is allowed and even encouraged to beat the shit out of you to the point that you are almost dead, throw you in the back of a truck, and haul you back to prison. Large groups of young men spend their nights there out looking for escaped prisoners because they think it sounds fun (they caught them all)
This solution gets my vote!
Buckaroo
montanadave
08-11-10, 17:25
Just thought i'd post an update.
They captured one of these fellas (Tracy Province) down the road in Meeteetse, WY.
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/article_22322e94-a418-11df-abdc-001cc4c03286.html
John McCluskey and Casslyn Welch may now be somewhere in Arkansas.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/11/arizona.escapees/index.html?hpt=T2
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