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TXBSAFH
08-10-10, 15:47
I would like to get an ar in the same configuration as my old M16A1 I used in the Army. It was an H&R with trianglar hand guards and a forward assist. Thanks.

TOrrock
08-10-10, 18:30
Not factory, no....

Your best bet is to get a lower from Nodak and one of the surplus M16A1 uppers that's out there, and then an A1 buttstock and pistol grip.

Here's the info thread we've got stuck up top with links to the needed stuff....

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=53789

TXBSAFH
08-10-10, 21:04
Thanks. I have other AR's but this was my first so I want one. I wish I could have my old H&R. I hit every target out to 250 meters with it everytime. Sweet rifle for one so old and used (It was in an US Army basic training company armory, Delta 4-10, Ft Leonard Wood)

TOrrock
08-10-10, 21:45
There are some extremely knowledgeable guys out there who prefer the A1 to the A2.

I happen to agree with them.

I'd love to have an A1 rifle with one of the FN 1/7" twist barrels that they made.

jtb0311
08-11-10, 03:11
I'm in the midst of gathering parts to build a clone of a Colt 603/M16A1. I bought an A1 profile 20" 1/7" non chromed barrel from DEZ arms, and plan to get both the lower and upper from Nodak.

SoDak
08-13-10, 09:08
Try watching the forum's EE for uppers. I see one just sold for $250.

ford7379trucks
08-25-10, 23:27
mite not be what your looking for but a Colt SP1 is pritty close. http://98.196.65.94/retroblackrifle/index.html

armakraut
08-26-10, 03:04
Two good sources of parts and furniture. Might want to add them to the sticky.

http://www.uscoreplicas.net/

http://www.fulton-armory.com/

rob_s
08-26-10, 05:46
I was going to suggest Fulton as well. I'd much rather build a legacy gun from scratch with as many new parts as possible than to cobble one together with various used parts of questionable condition and perhaps get something that outwardly appears like the legacy gun but has internal upgrades to modernize it (such as perhaps having a 1:7 barrel, for starters).

TexSquirrel
08-26-10, 10:32
There are multiple sources for demilled kits.
These kits were unused and in great condition.
Due to their re-import the barrels are newly made and not surplus.
One of these kits coupled with a NoDak NDS-16A1 lower (http://www.nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm) is about as close as you can get.
Links to places selling the kits are available from NoDak's website.

Note: some of the kits do not have the FSB attached.
If you're handy you can pin the FSB,(major PITA) or you can send your barrel and FSB to Heatnbeat and he can pin the FSB with a jig.
Some of the kits have the FSB pinned for additional cost.

peabody
08-27-10, 20:57
southernohioguns

S.O.G.

has them, 695 dollars.

ad says vietnam era rifle.

hope this helps

jtb0311
09-09-10, 09:56
I'm in the midst of gathering parts to build a clone of a Colt 603/M16A1. I bought an A1 profile 20" 1/7" non chromed barrel from DEZ arms, and plan to get both the lower and upper from Nodak.

Got it done a couple of weeks ago. Great shooter.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7863/ar603clone.jpg


I was going to suggest Fulton as well. I'd much rather build a legacy gun from scratch with as many new parts as possible than to cobble one together with various used parts of questionable condition and perhaps get something that outwardly appears like the legacy gun but has internal upgrades to modernize it (such as perhaps having a 1:7 barrel, for starters).

This is exactly what I did. I think the only parts that are more than a year old are the furniture, FSB, and slip ring. The barrel is 1/7" DEZ arms, because I didn't want to be limited in choice of ammo, upper and lower are Nodak Spud, guts are LPK and BCG are Bushmaster. It's very light, handy, and accurate.

SBushong
09-13-10, 19:18
Does anyone know if the DEZ Arms barrels are chrome lined?

Ssarge
09-16-10, 20:19
DEZs barrels are not chrome lined. Green Mountain Barrels is coming out with an A1 profile, 20" 1/12" twist chrome lined barrel shortly according to a pm I got from them on arfcom.
I highly recommend the kit from gunthings, it has the barrel already parked and the fsb attached. All you need to add is a NDS A1 lower.
http://www.gunthings.com/

halfmoonclip
09-24-10, 22:11
Saw what appeared to be a new A1 in my travels this summer, but I neglected to find out who made it.
Got mine a long time ago (the NDS serial is two digit) with a NOS M-16 upper mit bolt and carrier. Things are a bit more complicated now.
For lightness and handiness, they're hard to beat, and are the deal with irons. Plenty of 55gr ammo out there, so I'm not convinced that changing to a faster twist is necessary.
Moon

EagleArmsHBAR
11-21-10, 12:20
Option 1

Call NDS and get:
XM15E1 Lower
A1 upper

Call PK Firearms and Get:
RRA LPK
Buffer
Buffer Tube
Charging handle
Tear drop forward assist
A1 rear sight
rifle gas tube and pin
Young Chrome BCG

Call Numerich Gun Parts and Get:
A1 Pistol Grip
A1 Buttstock
A1 handguards

Find a 20 lightweight barrel somewhere.

Option 2
Get one of the Vietnam style ARs and replace the lower with an NDS XM15E1.

armakraut
11-21-10, 12:22
These days it's just better to go out and get an SP1.

EagleArmsHBAR
11-21-10, 12:24
These days it's just better to go out and get an SP1.

That is not as funs as rolling your own.

armakraut
11-21-10, 12:29
Been known to do that too.

peabody
11-22-10, 09:42
Saw what appeared to be a new A1 in my travels this summer, but I neglected to find out who made it.
Got mine a long time ago (the NDS serial is two digit) with a NOS M-16 upper mit bolt and carrier. Things are a bit more complicated now.
For lightness and handiness, they're hard to beat, and are the deal with irons. Plenty of 55gr ammo out there, so I'm not convinced that changing to a faster twist is necessary.
Moon




i have alot of 55 grain FMJ ammo'
i too' thinks the 1/12 twist in my old pencil barrel will do just fine.
hopes so !

peabody

krytos
11-23-10, 03:41
I've really been wanting an A1 lately and have been looking to find one.

There are a lot of Colt M16A1 kits floating around as of late, has anyone heard anything substantive about them?

The barrels are not Colt but 1x9, non chrome lined pencil profiles, they look similar to the same barrels offered by Del-Ton.

How important is chrome-lining nowadays?

This gun will probably be a retro plinker, and I can't imagine dumping more than maybe a mag through it at a high rate of fire. Mostly 55gr and definitely non-corrosive.

Is this a good barrel to use as a stop gap until the correct length Green Mountain barrels become available? I'd probably re-barrel it in the future with the more correct option.

usmcvet
11-24-10, 21:50
There are some extremely knowledgeable guys out there who prefer the A1 to the A2.

I happen to agree with them.

I'd love to have an A1 rifle with one of the FN 1/7" twist barrels that they made.

I saw some complete A2 FN bbls for sale for $200 on TOS. Would the A2 FSP work with an A1 upper?

MMcfpd
11-24-10, 23:40
Would the A2 FSP work with an A1 upper?

Yes, I have a couple of such and they zero just fine. The A1 FSP has a finer adjustment with stops every 72º and it's round; while the squared post of the A2 is preferred by some it only has stops every 90º.

usmcvet
11-25-10, 00:04
Thank you. I just bought a slick side A1 Colt upper and now I am hunting for an 11.5" bbl assembly. Im not sure how to deal with the lack of M4 feed ramps I. The upper. I assume all 11.5" bbl's will have feed ramps. I might try adding the feed ramps to the upper myself.

usmcvet
11-25-10, 00:06
I could buy a rifle length bbl and have it cut. Would that work?

peabody
11-29-10, 10:00
I could buy a rifle length bbl and have it cut. Would that work?





call steve at ADCO' he can do anything and everything your wanting.

M4 feed ramps' cutting and re-threading.. i've used him several times.
he does fantastic work.

and he's fast. turnaround is under a week.

peabody



p.s. just had him re-crown and re-thread an old A1 pencil barrel.
awsome.

usmcvet
12-01-10, 07:39
I found an FN bbl assembly on TOS for $159 in excellent shape. My thought is to have it cut to 11.5" . The bbl I have now is a 14.5" with an M4 profile and I would have to cut it to 10.3" to avoid the M203 cut, it also has feed ramps and the A1 does not. The FN does not either. The FN also has the better FSB height.

Buck
12-01-10, 07:58
I found an FN bbl assembly on TOS for $159 in excellent shape. My thought is to have it cut to 11.5" . The bbl I have now is a 14.5" with an M4 profile and I would have to cut it to 10.3" to avoid the M203 cut, it also has feed ramps and the A1 does not. The FN does not either. The FN also has the better FSB height.

If it were me, depending on the use, I would look into a new made DD hammer forged barrel... They make new A1 profile barrels ready to go and at a very good price point...

http://danieldefense.com/cold-hammer-forged-barrels.html

Just my .02

B

usmcvet
12-01-10, 08:42
Thanks Buck.

torquemada055
12-27-10, 03:40
I see Bravo Co. is out of stock on their 20" pencil barrels.
Btw, my A1in the Marines back in the 70's didnt have M4 cuts in the receiver or the extension and it worked just fine.

jtb0311
12-28-10, 15:00
If it were me, depending on the use, I would look into a new made DD hammer forged barrel... They make new A1 profile barrels ready to go and at a very good price point...

http://danieldefense.com/cold-hammer-forged-barrels.html

Just my .02

B

I bought one of their mid length LW barrels to build a retro-ish carbine (think a stretched 733).

I built a 603 clone using a DEZ arms A1 profile 20" barrel. It isn't chrome lined, it's a 1/7" twist (I wanted that or 1/9") and is plenty accurate. IIRC, I needed to send it to ADCO to have them pin the FSB for me - that wasn't something I was ready to do at home.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7863/ar603clone.jpg

Jefe73
05-20-11, 11:27
Old post, but if still looking, Century Arms (yeah, I know) makes a M16A1 clone.
Supposably built on Colt M16A1's that went to Guatemala and then sold back to Century.
Unk receiver, non chrome lined 1X9 pencil barrel, A2 pistol grip, front sight held in place w/ roll pins, not the original solid pins, upper and lower a little loose (but not looser then other M16s that I have handled).
Comes w/ GI sling and cleaning kit.
Should be about six and change dealer price.

gew98
05-21-11, 10:22
I've got an A1 clone built on a sendra/Rock Island lower I bought as a slickside AR back in 1985. I'm on my third barrel with it... can't get enough trigger time with those 55 grain pills !. Got a spare new chromed bore A1 barrel waiting for another upper to put to it.
I am also convinced no need for 1/7 twist as I'm no fan of the M855 bullet. I've used my A1 clone and my retro mocked up M4orgery on rabbit , coyote and ground hogs with good effect.

usmcvet
05-21-11, 14:31
Well this is what I ended up with. Colt SP1 upper, a BCM 11.5" bbl, sully stock and a pair of M4 handguards I had laying around. I changed the handguards a few days ago to a set of MOE's. I was not really going for a correct retro build just retro inspired and simple. I really like the old A1 upper. Other than in drills I've never used a forward assist. I changed the rear sight to a CSACT. I still need to mount a light.

https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=374&pictureid=1897

https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=374&pictureid=1896

lethal dose
05-21-11, 15:53
Usmcvet- that's the best build I've seen this year. Very awesome.

usmcvet
05-21-11, 16:06
Thanks man. It was my second upper build. I did this A2 first.

https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=304&pictureid=1973

Not practical but fun.

https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=304&pictureid=1681

https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=304&pictureid=1680

This was got me thinking:

https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=304&pictureid=1543

Jefe73
05-31-11, 12:45
Try Fulton Armory also

armakraut
05-31-11, 14:01
It would be way cool if someone made an early XM177 stock that fit on a milspec CAR tube.

scottryan
06-06-11, 15:46
I'd rather have an old stock Colt/SAK/FN/General Dynamics barrel than any of these new aftermarket barrels that come in the kits.

Also, by the time you pin the FSB to the aftermarket barrels, you could have bought a Colt barrel.