View Full Version : Remington 700 R5 vs 700 P model.
Alaskapopo
08-11-10, 23:09
Trying to decide on getting a bolt .308. I sold my GAP AR10 because I needed to free up some funds but I have a ton of .308 ammo and a good Nightforce 5.5-22 power scope still. So I decided I want a bolt. I can't afford more than 1k right now on the rifle.
What is the major difference with the R5 vs the standard 700 P model? What kind of accuracy can I expect with each. Is the R5 worth the extra money? Thanks for your time.
Pat
Main difference is in the barrel. The 5r has the rifling found in the m24 (5 groove 1/11.25in twist) and it is a stainless barreled action. The 700p uses the 6groove 1/12in action and is parkerized. Both come with a HS precision stock and both seem to be pretty equal accuracy-wise.
Alaskapopo
08-11-10, 23:23
Main difference is in the barrel. The 5r has the rifling found in the m24 (5 groove 1/11.25in twist) and it is a stainless barreled action. The 700p uses the 6groove 1/12in action and is parkerized. Both come with a HS precision stock and both seem to be pretty equal accuracy-wise.
What is the advantage of the barrel on the R5. (accuracy, barrel life?)
I have no first hand experience with the 5r but i believe the proposed advantage is accuracy. If another member knows more please chime in.
Belmont31R
08-12-10, 00:06
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/5_R_Rifling-c1246-wp6676.htm
Review of 700P: http://www.snipercentral.com/m700p.htm
Review of 5R: http://www.snipercentral.com/milspec5r.phtml
The advantage of the 5r is supposed to be more accuracy but in reality its mostly snake oil. Also supposed to need less cleaning. I would save some money and get the pss unless you want stainless. The 5r and pss will both be around 1/2MOA guns.
ETA- the twist is faster on the 5r but not enough to worry about unless you plan to push the limits of the 308.
quotation by randall follows:
"There are stock 700pss that shoot well under 1/2 MOA, but it's rare to find a shooter that does it.
The main thing you would be buying in a 5R 700 is the likelyhood of a better barrel.
Note that these are NOT Rock 5R barrels.
They are still remington produced barrels, but they have the 5R rifling profile.
The main advantage (my opinion again) of the 5R barrel is that it's stainless and therefore easier to machine more consistently.
The difficulty of machining chromoly steel (due to variations in steel alloy) is what keeps every 700 from shooting as good as the stainless barreled variants." http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=98463
Triad Tactical
08-26-10, 20:26
I have spent a fair amount of time on a 20" GAP 700 with 5R Rock. Accuracy was better than me or the 5 PSS's that I shot with. Big difference was in the FPS. My 20" shot the same FPS as the 26" factory PSS. Also much easier to clean.
The main advantage (my opinion again) of the 5R barrel is that it's stainless and therefore easier to machine more consistently.
They are hammer forged.
Big difference was in the FPS. My 20" shot the same FPS as the 26" factory PSS. Also much easier to clean.
You may have min chamber dims. That would raise pressure and velocity.
The barrel is 24" vs 26" and has a lighter profile compared to teh pss. The 5R could be lugged around for a deer rifle if needed whereas the pss is too heavy and long.
thopkins22
08-27-10, 01:33
My buddy has a 5R and had a PSS, the 5R is easily a 1/2MOA rifle with FGMM, we were hard pressed to get the PSS better than 3/4 MOA with the same ammo. I bet if you load you could get better.
I've heard:rolleyes: that the PSS has a pretty generous chamber which hurts you with a lot of factory loads.
The 5R seems to be a lot harder to find, but the price difference really isn't that huge unless you find a steal on the PSS.
I'm planning a bolt gun, but I'm pretty sold on the SPS.
I have numerous custom rifles with Rock 5R barrels on them and ll shoot 1/2MOA. I also have a factory PSS with a barrel that was cut down to 20" that just loves Fed. Gold Match and will shoot 1/2-3/4 MOA all day. Wears a Nightforce 5.5-22x scope, Badger DBM and a A-3 stock. Its a grea little package and more than enough rifle to do anything that the .308 offers.
Worth every penny and I would PSS again and again. Once you burn it out you could rebarrel any way you want. Then you could really have a 5R.
I have spent a fair amount of time on a 20" GAP 700 with 5R Rock. Accuracy was better than me or the 5 PSS's that I shot with. Big difference was in the FPS. My 20" shot the same FPS as the 26" factory PSS. Also much easier to clean.
if the rifle was built by GAP its not really a fair comparison. I have sen Tac-Ops tune up package on a pss shoot under .25MOA all day long. But a stock PSS and a stock 5r are prtty much the same. You may have a few fps differnce with a 5r, it mat be easier to clean, and it may be slightly more accurate. Maybe is the key word there. If someone wants it get it. I wouldnt pass one up, but I wouldnt pass a PSS for a good price either.
Triad Tactical
08-27-10, 20:20
Certainly the GAP has a tighter chamber than the factory PSS. Guess that does make it a little unfair to compare. I had it built in 2000, I got a kick out of hearing "a 20 inch gun will not do XXXXXX". I won more than a few range bets with that gun.
I just recetly upgraded from a 20" SPS Tactical to a 5R. At 1k, the difference is huge. 175 grn FGMM out of the 20" SPS went subsonic somewhere around 900yds. I'm now running my own loads & my velocities are around 2950+. Factory action & barrel, AICS stock, NF 5.5-22x56 mil/mil scope sitting on Badger hardware. This rifle is a dream to shoot for being factory built with a few bolt-ons.
If you dont mind me asking, how hot are your loads? That sounds really hot. You can PM the info if you want. The most I have heard from reputble sorces is a 50fps gain with a good aftermarket 5r barrel. Shooting 2950fps is near 300win mag territory.
Oh, please dont post your load info here, pm it to me if you want, and not doubting you, just curious.
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