Can anyone verify this?

[arizonaranchman]

I got this in an email. First of all not sure if it's true, but secondly if it is I'm wondering if it's unique to the VA or any other institutions. Anyone heard of this?

_____________________________________________________________

"I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and

found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the
end of the exam,three questions:
1. Did I feel stressed?
2. Did I feel threatened?
3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to ANY of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security. Looks like they are going after the vets first.
Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware.
The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner veteran or not, you';ve been warned. If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom."

[mr_smiles]

Right off the bat that's BS. Psychiatric diagnosis aren't made with three questions and with yes or no questions. Also I'm pretty sure your diagnosis has to be recognized by the courts to affect your gun rights. Even than it's still pretty hard to deny a non felon the right to a firearm. A CCW might, if the courts feal you're a mad man. But a GP can't make such a diagnoses unless they're qualified.

Put it this way, I've been diagnosed with PTSD (I'm ****ing crazy I know lol ) And I'm legally allowed to own a firearm or possess a CCW. The only time mental health can take away your gun rights is if a lawful authority commits you to an mental health facility, or feels you're a threat to others.

[M4Fundi]

WRONG MR SMILES
In the state of TX and many other states all that needs apply is a "licensed physician" say that he believes or you said that you are just "ONE" of these moody, stressed or depressed (or as stated below) and you can kiss your CCW good bye! (they leave it vague for a reason)

TX statutes for example

(1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from
a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause
substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse
control, or intellectual ability;
(2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by
Subdivision (1) that:
(A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a
future time; or
(B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelop-
ment;
(3) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician or declared by a
court to be incompetent to manage the person's own affairs; or
(4) has entered in a criminal proceeding a plea of not guilty by
reason of insanity.
(e) The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychi-
atric disorder or condition described by Subsection (d)(1):
(1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization in the preceding
five-year period;
(2) psychiatric hospitalization in the preceding two-year period;
(3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the
preceding five-year period;
(4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed
physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled
substance, or a similar substance; or
(5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person
suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition
consisting of or relating to:
(A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
(B) bipolar disorder;
(C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect,
or brain injury;
(D) dissociative identity disorder;
(E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
(F) antisocial personality disorder.
(f) Notwithstanding Subsection (d), a person who has previously
been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition
described by Subsection (d) or listed in Subsection (e) is not because
of that disorder or condition incapable of exercising sound judgment
with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun if the person
provides the department with a certificate from a licensed physician

[bkb0000]

yep.. total load of crap. i answered yes to about half the mental questions last time i was in- because at that moment i was pretty ****in aggravated, for a number of reasons (most because of the VA), and not only did i not lose any of my rights, i didn't even get a second glance from the lady asking the questions, nor did i get any kind of followup from anyone about it.

i basically answered "yes" just to see what kind of rise i'd get out of somebody... no rise was gotten. i think they just ask because they're required to, and don't give a flying shit what answer they get.

[Gentoo]

I got this in an email.

Pretty much all you need to know to know that it is full of shit....

[mr_smiles]

WRONG MR SMILES
In the state of TX and many other states all that needs apply is a "licensed physician" say that he believes or you said that you are just "ONE" of these moody, stressed or depressed (or as stated below) and you can kiss your CCW good bye! (they leave it vague for a reason)

TX statutes for example

(1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from
a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause
substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse
control, or intellectual ability;
(2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by
Subdivision (1) that:
(A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a
future time; or
(B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelop-
ment;
(3) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician or declared by a
court to be incompetent to manage the person's own affairs; or
(4) has entered in a criminal proceeding a plea of not guilty by
reason of insanity.
(e) The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychi-
atric disorder or condition described by Subsection (d)(1):
(1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization in the preceding
five-year period;
(2) psychiatric hospitalization in the preceding two-year period;
(3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the
preceding five-year period;
(4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed
physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled
substance, or a similar substance; or
(5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person
suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition
consisting of or relating to:
(A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
(B) bipolar disorder;
(C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect,
or brain injury;
(D) dissociative identity disorder;
(E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
(F) antisocial personality disorder.
(f) Notwithstanding Subsection (d), a person who has previously
been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition
described by Subsection (d) or listed in Subsection (e) is not because
of that disorder or condition incapable of exercising sound judgment
with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun if the person
provides the department with a certificate from a licensed physician

Than lawyer up, because as long as you're not a danger to yourself or anyone else it's a violation of your constitutional rights. PTSD or other stress related disorders don't automatically mean you're insane, that's pretty much what I'm reading from above, lack of judgment because you're not all right in the head.

PTSD can cause things from simple nightmares, to people being extremely violent, there's no blanket that covers everyone.

EDIT: D'oh I missed the CCW part, still I would get a lawyer if I was in that boat, as long as I'm a productive individual with out any violent outburst or previous criminal history to deny me the right to carry a firearm is discrimination. Can they discriminate against gays from applying for a CCW, How about some one who's a compulsive gambler, or some one who's into body modifications?

[arizonaranchman]

OK sounds like BS then, which was my initial suspicion, but anymore in this day of idiocy where up is down and left is right I don't hold anything impossible anymore.

Thanks guys

[Left Sig]

In the state of Indiana, the Carry Permit applications asks if you've been under the care of a doctor for any mental health issue.

If you answer yes, you have to provide a written statement from your doctor with his/her approval for a permit.

As long as the state gets the doctor's approval, and you have no legal actions against you (commitment, adjudicated incompetent, etc.) you get the permit.

The problem with this line of questioning is that it pretty much covers anyone who has taken any antidepressant, anti-anxiety, tranquilizer, or similar drug which is a whole LOT of people.

I think a lot of people just check that box "no" to avoid the hassle, but that would be a felony so it's not a good idea.