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m4brian

09-03-10, 11:40

Starting to see some decent prices now, so what is a good and inexpensive recommendation on training ammo.

Interesting to see on the search here that people use/like Wolf.

How about Prvi Partisan, Federal bulk, Wolf - others? best deal on web, etc.

Would rather be able to use on both my 1:7 and son's 1:9.

Thanks all.

Belmont31R

09-03-10, 12:04

I usually shoot PMC 55 FMJ and Hornady Training 55 FMJ.

The Hornady ammo is russian steel case with Hornady components. Its a bit of a step up from regular russian type ammo, and can be had for well under 300/1k. I also shoot the 75 GR OTM version, and I get really good accuracy out of it. Beats paying $20/20 for brass case match ammo.

Wolf is ok I guess but its always seemed super weak powered to me. I had a few issues with short-stroking with it in the past, and since then Ive used other brands without any issues.

m4brian

09-03-10, 15:41

Thanks! Great tip and input.

mike_556

09-03-10, 16:50

Might not be of much help--I handload 55 grain FMJ to duplicate M193 specs, and also 62 gr M855. I also load 52gr and 68gr BTHP match to match specs. So basically I replicate ball ammo for training purposes and develop ladder method loads for DCM guns...For factory I'd use Hornady TAP and Federal's XM193 and XM855. And Hornady's match line for precision.

m4brian

09-03-10, 16:54

...For factory I'd use Hornady TAP and Federal's XM193 and XM855. And Hornady's match line for precision.

Mike: Best places to buy that you have found? Thanks - its all helpful

bjesse60

09-03-10, 16:57

Think about reloading. ;)

mike_556

09-03-10, 17:03

Mike: Best places to buy that you have found? Thanks - its all helpful

Just got to watch for sales online. DSGArms is running a sale for 5 PMAGS and 150rds of Fiochhi for like $110? Just got to look around and watch sites for sales.....The prices are starting to fall back down again well after the elections were over. I used to pay $175/case of a thousand of XM193 from Wholesale Hunter way back in 04..Also check out PalmettoStateArmory--great folks I've dealt with them in person at shows and at their store in Columbia, SC.

mike_556

09-03-10, 17:06

Think about reloading. ;)

Best bet--8 lbs powder for $94 and 1000 M193 projos for $50 and and $30 for 1000 primers (and assuming you have the brass) there's a 1000 loaded rounds counting a little relaxing time invested. Even the components are sky high compared to just a few years ago.....:(

m4brian

09-03-10, 17:33

mike_556

09-03-10, 17:57

Thanks again - quite helpful.

I do want to reload eventually. What is a good ammo to buy also for the brass for later use? I suppose Federal is best, but what about Partisan or PMC, which seems to be on sale?

Get US made brass--I really like LC brass (only have to ream the crimp out once) and it LASTS.......Prvi I'd stay away from as it's russian made. But toss out any foreign brass, trust me on this. Get you a cheap brass catcher too.

mike_556

09-03-10, 18:03

I'd also add to try box of 20 or so of different ammo out there and see what your gun likes, or hates....We hate WOLF here at my house--never tried Prvi.....We get FTE's and DF's with WOLF so far...Stopped using it. Handloads run 1000% for us ;) Also REM UMC is CRAP for us as far as accuracy.

See what your rifles like.....

m4brian

09-03-10, 18:36

I guess PMC is Korean...?

mike_556

09-03-10, 18:42

I guess PMC is Korean...?

It appears to be in fact Korean and PMX is US.

I could have sworn it was US based and maybe it got outsourced? Found some old 223 and 45 boxes with no mention of Korea on them

m4brian

09-03-10, 19:18

Yeah - I had an old box of .357 that said Korea - thanks - there are some decent deals out there now.

I picked up some Fed SS109 from a dealer back home for $190/500 OTD - a little steep, but good ammo, and I like the dealer.

I would prefer 62 gr - 69 gr - should do well in my son's SMith and my DD.

shootist~

09-03-10, 19:29

....

I suppose Federal is best,....

I suggest you stay away from Federal .223 brass. It's fine for a loading or two, but less than ideal for multiple loadings; prone to broken cases and rim failures on extraction.

LC and IMI are a couple of the best.

michael word

09-03-10, 21:09

I use the Federal xm-193 as it is the cheapest I can find around my area. I then use the brass for reloading, good LC brass.

Fried Chicken Blowout

09-03-10, 21:10

Best bet--8 lbs powder for $94 and 1000 M193 projos for $50 and and $30 for 1000 primers (and assuming you have the brass) there's a 1000 loaded rounds counting a little relaxing time invested. Even the components are sky high compared to just a few years ago.....:(

Can you send links on your components? That's far better prices than I've been seeing for bullets and powder. I currently reload all my pistol ammo and have been kicking around the idea of doing 5.56 but the prices just haven't been good enough to push me over the edge... Considering all the case prep I think I would need to do. If you count up all the case prep time, how many rounds can you make in a hour?

chadbag

09-03-10, 21:20

I'd be interested in $94 powder. My last WC844T was $94 plus hazmat and shipping in qty 4 or 6 kegs but is now $104.

And I'd be interested in 5 cent 55 gr projectiles. Best I have seen is around 6.8 or 6.9 cents

kaltesherz

09-03-10, 22:00

I've been using mostly 62gr HP Brown Bear, been 100% in my Colt and LMT upper (when I had it) and is plenty accurate for training and plinking. Silver Bear is just as good and right now AIM has it for a little over $200 per K.

chadbag

09-04-10, 00:48

Prvi I'd stay away from as it's russian made.

PRVI is good brass. And its not Russian. (PRVI is Serbian)

mike_556

09-04-10, 07:01

Try hi-tech ammo for components

m4brian

09-04-10, 09:59

Does PRVI Partisan have a crimped primer (SS109)?

If so, is that bad for reloading?

Anyone shoot this stuff much. I have seen some good reviews on it on the www.

Thanks, Brian

chadbag

09-04-10, 10:14

Try hi-tech ammo for components

They seem to have some stuff back in stock. Last time I checked them (many months ago) they were out of most stuff.

OK, their 5 cent 55gr are pulled. Not new manufacture. Still probably a good value since they are resized etc.

http://www.hi-techammo.com/hitech.zkb?root&GENMENU6004&object-menu6

They do seem to have surplus powder again, which is nice. Last time I checked they were all out. I had bought the Russian "unique" stuff from them like 3 years ago plus some other stuff and had periodically checked with them but they were out most of the time. Too bad the Russian stuff is not in stock there.

They do have WC844 of some sort at $94. That is a good deal and a good powder for bulk 556/223 ammo production. Pats Reloading had it at that but lately it has been up $10 at Pats.

http://www.hi-techammo.com/hitech.zkb?root&GENMENU61&object-menu6

chadbag

09-04-10, 10:17

Does PRVI Partisan have a crimped primer (SS109)?

If so, is that bad for reloading?

The stuff I have from PRVI (the 55 gr m193 stuff) (just brass now, its all shot :) ) is crimped, like your LC and other stuff would be too. So you need to swage it once before using it.

Fried Chicken Blowout

09-04-10, 10:42

Try hi-tech ammo for components

Prices look good! Is the pulls stuff safe? Seems a little strange reusing powder, but I guess they know exactly what it is before they start selling it off.

mike_556

09-04-10, 11:05

Prices look good! Is the pulls stuff safe? Seems a little strange reusing powder, but I guess they know exactly what it is before they start selling it off.

Hey guys yeah the stuff is up in price but back in stock. I paid $35/1000 pulled and resized M193 last time. I've run a ton of these as far as practice and for training purposes it'll hit an eight inch gong at 300M as long as I do my part. The pulldown powder is fine for training, practice, plinking, etc. I wish Jeff Bartlett of gibrass would get stuff in, I use dto use him with a USAF buddy and we cut down hazmat together.....

For match I use VihtaVuori propellants. $$

m4brian

09-04-10, 17:12

Anyone know how how expensive AIM is on shipping Ammo?

ralph

09-05-10, 20:44

Prices look good! Is the pulls stuff safe? Seems a little strange reusing powder, but I guess they know exactly what it is before they start selling it off.

Surplus powder is fine to use.. I've used a bunch of it,However, burn rates CAN and DO vary from lot to lot.. The 8# I buy may burn a little slower or faster than the 8# you buy..So, when using this stuff for the first time, Be careful to work some loads up, and keep an eye out for overpressure..If you have a cronograph,this would be a good place to use it...

Iraqgunz

09-06-10, 04:29

I believe that the charge the standard UPS type rates. I sent around 50lbs. of ammo to someone in Texas (me Arizona and it was around39.00).

Anyone know how how expensive AIM is on shipping Ammo?

white spaniard

09-06-10, 22:57

In the same situation as OP but has anyone have any info on IMI ammo?

Iraqgunz

09-07-10, 01:18

What info are you seeking? I think it was discussed here recently. IMI is good quality and happens to be cheap(er) right now.

In the same situation as OP but has anyone have any info on IMI ammo?

white spaniard

09-07-10, 07:19

What info are you seeking? I think it was discussed here recently. IMI is good quality and happens to be cheap(er) right now.

Just wanted to know if its decent ammo, I could not find anything on the search function for 5.56/223 just 9MM. Right now I need ammo for training and range use,but I am starting to reload want to use brass afterwards for reloading.

Iraqgunz

09-07-10, 15:24

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=61077

I am sure there are more, just don't know where.

Just wanted to know if its decent ammo, I could not find anything on the search function for 5.56/223 just 9MM. Right now I need ammo for training and range use,but I am starting to reload want to use brass afterwards for reloading.