Karl Rove unloads on O'Donnell; NRSC won’t spend a dime on her

[wild_wild_wes]

Anyone see Rove on Hannity tonight? The defeat of Castle has the Establishment in a lather. Now, the NRSC says they won’t spend a dime on O'Donnell in the General election in November.

The Ruling Class lost, and so they are taking their marbles and going home. Take that, you slack-jawed yokels!

http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-national-republican-senatorial-committee-wont-fund-christine-odonnell/

[Belmont31R]

Remember this when people tell you electing more country club type republicans will "win the war" or that the GOP will turn things around. They'll continue down the SAME path Obama is on just at a slower rate.



The GOP is still interested in adding more debt than we can pay for each year....

[Gutshot John]

Sure they went from an easy pickup to a sure loss...not only did they just blow their chances at a majority but also any chance to repeal health care.

O'Donnell is a bad joke. If anyone thinks she's going to get elected than I've got some beach-front property in Arizona to sell you but hey if you're happy with more democrats in office than you deserve what you get.

[Belmont31R]

Sure they went from an easy pickup to a sure loss...not only did they just blow their chances at a majority but also any chance to repeal health care.

O'Donnell is a bad joke. If anyone thinks she's going to get elected than I've got some beach-front property in Arizona to sell you but hey if you're happy with more democrats in office than you deserve what you get.



You're right. Maybe next time we can elect Romney, and he'll give us gov health care and an AWB like he did in Mass.


Those RINO's are sure on our side. Just like McCain suspending his campaign to go vote for TARP, voting for illegal alien amnesty, saying Obamas not such a bad guy, ect. Why these RINO's are just great for defeating the dems! :p:rolleyes:

[Gutshot John]

Why these RINO's are just great for defeating the dems! :p:rolleyes:

They are in Blue States. Delaware isn't Alaska.

Let me know how well it works out for you.

Rasmussen has her down by double-digits. Overnight the seat went from "likely GOP" to "Likely Dem." Why would the NRSC piss money away on a lost cause?

But again if you prefer Democrats in office, then I'm sure you're quite happy.

[Belmont31R]

They are in Blue States. Delaware isn't Alaska.

Let me know how well it works out for you.

Rasmussen has her down by double-digits. Overnight the seat went from "likely GOP" to "Likely Dem." Why would the NRSC piss money away on a lost cause?

But again if you prefer Democrats in office, then I'm sure you're quite happy.


Theres no difference other than the speed at which we become a national socialist nation instead of a capitalist republic.



I actually have more respect for Obama than Romney. Romney is a used car salesman who plays the fiddle to the tune he thinks people want to hear. Yet in his political history he has insistuted gov health care, and signed an AWB. Since BHO/OBL has not signed an AWB he is only half as bad as Romney.

See if Im going to get ****ed in the ass Id at least like the person to tell me first so I can brace myself. I don't want a "friend" to surprise bend me over, and do it twice as hard.

Of course YMMV. I prefer to go down on my knees fighting back than a back room room bitch slave dreaming of the good ole days.

[Gutshot John]

Theres no difference other than the speed at which we become a national socialist nation instead of a capitalist republic.

False premise/choice.

Castle was neither socialist nor nazi.

Even still no one is talking about electing him President.

I'm amazed at the lack of understanding how the Senate works. No majority...no power to control the agenda...at least 2 more years of Harry Reid as majority leader.:big_boss:

But hey if that works for you...:suicide:

[Belmont31R]

False premise/choice.

Castle was neither socialist nor nazi.

Even still no one is talking about electing him President.

I'm amazed at the lack of understanding how the Senate works. No majority...no power to control the agenda...at least 2 more years of Harry Reid as majority leader.:big_boss:

But hey if that works for you...:suicide:


No. Many of the RINO's in office support the dem plan just at the pace they are going at.


I suggest you go visit John McCain's site for refrerence.



The RINO's have ZERO interest in getting spending under control. What they proposed was only HALF as bad as Obama's.



We can either take the fast track or the slow track to whats coming. What did the R's do from 2001-2006? Increased social and deficit spending. What did the D's do from 2008-present? They just added to the R's habits of increasing social spending, deficit spending, ect.

[Gutshot John]

That and $0.50 will get you a cup of coffee...and enshrine Obamacare...and make Harry Reid majority leader...and a record deficit.

It's really beyond me how you can believe a deadbeat like O'Donnell is going to give a wet fart about deficits, even if she does get elected.

But again if you're happy with that outcome who cares what I think?

In the meantime I'd pick up a copy of the Senate rules and learn how it operates. Your "principles" are going to be about as relevant as yesterday's newspaper in the minority.

[Belmont31R]

That and $0.50 will get you a cup of coffee...and enshrine Obamacare...and make Harry Reid majority leader...and a record deficit.

But again if you're happy with that, who cares what I think?



Just like the record deficits and social spending that happened 2001-2006?


Like I said the only difference is the speed.


Instead of condemning the "Stiumulus Plan" Bohener said we should have passed a $400,000,000,000+ plan instead.


Instead of saying health care was not under the purvue of the Federal government the r's proposed a plan that was only "half as bad" as what Obama wanted.


You really think they are going to reverse ObamaCare? LMAO! I guess thats why we are saddled with well over a trillion dollars a year in SS, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP spending? :confused:

[Gutshot John]

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." - WFB

If you do, well then, this tea party thing will be very short-lived.

[variablebinary]

I hope she wins without the country club GOP support.

RINO's are scum. Hopefully she'll really be free to do the right thing since the establishment turned their back on her.

[Belmont31R]

"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." - WFB

If you do, well then, this tea party thing will be very short-lived.




"I'd rather be stabbed to death by a foe than buddy ****ed to death by a 'buddy'."


Add that one to the quotes list....:cool:

[Gutshot John]

I hope she wins without the country club GOP support.

I've got a $100 bucks that she won't win even with it.

[Gutshot John]

"I'd rather be stabbed to death by a foe than buddy ****ed to death by a 'buddy'."


Another false choice. Dead is dead.

[Belmont31R]

I've got a $100 bucks that she won't win even with it.



And Im sure lots of people had 100 bucks on the Red Coats at Concord and Lexington.

[Belmont31R]

Another false choice. Dead is dead.



Yeah but free men die facing their enemy not with a knife in their back.

[Gutshot John]

And Im sure lots of people had 100 bucks on the Red Coats at Concord and Lexington.

So now you're comparing O'Donnell to Concord/Lexington? She's a marketing "consultant" who doesn't even pay her bills.

Are you high?

[Gutshot John]

Yeah but free men die facing their enemy not with a knife in their back.

:lol:

Completely absurd. How about you come back down to reality? That you think someone is threatening you with death is idiotic...though it is telling.

[Belmont31R]

So now you're comparing O'Donnell to Concord/Lexington? She's a marketing "consultant" who doesn't even pay her bills.

Are you high?




No its a euphemism.


Not high.

[variablebinary]

I've got a $100 bucks that she won't win even with it.

We'll see. If she doesn't so be it.

If nothing else, the RINO flock has been thinned a little more. The purging continues, and in the end, I have no doubt the GOP will be better off in the long term

Either that or the party will be deeply fractured, which could result in a proper Tea Party, which is something the GOP for sure does not want.

If that happens that exodus off GOP rolls will not be insignificant.

[Gutshot John]

No its a euphemism.


Not high.

Actually it's a metaphor...and a really absurd one at that.

[Belmont31R]

:lol:

Completely absurd. How about you come back down to reality? That you think someone is threatening you with death is idiotic...though it is telling.



Socialists and communists are dead on the inside. Might as well be dead.

[Gutshot John]

We'll see. If she doesn't so be it.

So you're taking the bet?


If nothing else, the RINO flock has been thinned a little more. The purging continues, and in the end, I have no doubt the GOP will be better off in the long term

Incorrect, the seat used to belong to a Democrat, the seat will continue to belong to a Democrat. In the meantime any chance of the GOP taking the Senate went poof.


Either that or the party will be deeply fractured, which could result in a proper Tea Party, which is something the GOP for sure does not want.

If that happens that exodus off GOP rolls will not be insignificant.

Which means the Democrats will run the table for the foreseeable future.

But again if that pleases you, then this conversation is pointless.

[Gutshot John]

Socialists and communists are dead on the inside. Might as well be dead.

Huh????

[Belmont31R]

So you're taking the bet?



Incorrect, the seat used to belong to a Democrat, the seat will continue to belong to a Democrat. In the meantime any chance of the GOP taking the Senate went poof.



Which means the Democrats will run the table for the foreseeable future.

But again if that pleases you, then this conversation is pointless.



2 weeks before the MA senate vote "no one" expected Scott Brown to win.

[Gutshot John]

2 weeks before the MA senate vote "no one" expected Scott Brown to win.

Do you actually pay attention to political news? Thanks for proving my point.

Scott Brown has far more in common with Mike Castle than Christine O'Donnell.

Google "Scott Brown RINO" or "Sarah Palin Scott Brown" and see what comes up.

[Belmont31R]

Do you actually pay attention to political news? Thanks for proving my point.

Scott Brown has far more in common with Mike Castle than Christine O'Donnell.

Google "Scott Brown RINO" or "Sarah Palin Scott Brown" and see what comes up.



That was months ago, the dem numbers have dropped a bunch since then.


Even if it doesn't work out it worth the effort instead of "appeasement" and "reaching across the aisle". Both of those have failed numerous times...too many to count actually.


At this stage in the game we are at risk of losing the republic. For "Christ Sakes" our debt is almost more than 100% of GDP. How long do you think we can continue down the 2001-present path?

[Belmont31R]

I must also point out Scott Brown has turned out to be quite the disappointment.


Id have no differing feelings about him than any other RINO. They'll get elected, and stab you in the back at the first chance. I still get email alerts from that douche after I gifted money to him.


His ad slogan should have been "60th vote" instead of "41st".

[Gutshot John]

This is chess, not checkers.

You've heard the expression "a house divided against itself."

You've also heard "divide and conquer."

Scott Brown was the most conservative guy that was going to win in Massachusetts.

Castle was the most conservative guy that was going to win in Delaware.

Even if someone is to the left of YOUR politics he's to the right of Delaware's. More importantly he would have helped ensure that a conservative would have been Majority leader. If you think "losing" is better than "winning" than you simply don't understand how the caucus system works. Why do you think they called it the "Reagan Coalition"?

The Tea Party has turned out to be a boon for lefties all over this country. They're as pleased as punch this morning. They've now got all the political cover they need to go even farther left.

As for the debt to GDP ratio, if you think it's going to improve under Democratic leadership in the Senate...who can thwart the House even if the GOP manage to take it...than you're living in Nevernever Land.

View the world as it is...not as you wish it to be. That was always a conservative mantra.

[ForTehNguyen]

if she doesnt win, Delaware voters reaps what they sow. Just like when Connecticut nominated Linda McMahon instead of Peter Schiff.

[Gutshot John]

if she doesnt win, Delaware voters reaps what they sow. Just like when Connecticut nominated Linda McMahon instead of Peter Schiff.

It won't just be Delaware voters that reap what they sow.

This isn't state office more importantly the consequences go well beyond being a junior Senator from Delaware...it effects EVERY GOP Senator out there...as well as every state.

[MarkG]

Well said Gutshot. The third party is a no win for everybody. As much as I would like to see all of the Rhino's on the street, they are still the best chance to tie up any more Obongo antics and even possibly undo some of it.

[ForTehNguyen]

third party cant work because the big 2 have made rules and regulations where its impossible for additional competition. I would rather see the GOP reformed from the inside and get back to their roots. Libertarians are what the Classical Republicans used to be.

[John_Wayne777]

third party cant work because the big 2 have made rules and regulations where its impossible for additional competition.


In the earliest days of our current Constitution it basically boiled down to two camps. Long before there were Republicans or Democrats even the founders fell into two fairly large groups because that seems to be how the structure of our Republic works out.

As for who will win in Delaware...well...that will depend on who shows up to the polls. In a year where liberals and democrats are on the losing side of an enthusiasm gap it might be possible. It certainly won't be if the Republican party is going to shoot themselves in the foot by taking their ball and going home because the unruly electorate didn't do as they were told.

[Gutshot John]

It certainly won't be if the Republican party is going to shoot themselves in the foot by taking their ball and going home because the unruly electorate didn't do as they were told.

How would they shoot themselves in the foot if they take money that would have been spent on a no-win scenario and put it towards races they actually can win?

Triage, it isn't just for trauma anymore.

To get a majority in the Senate they have to run the table in all the blue states where they're competitive (Wisconsin, California and Nevada) and then pick up one where they're not even close. A 50-50 senate is still blue since Biden casts a tie vote.

[Gutshot John]

I'm still at a loss as to how a deadbeat, who can't manage her own finances, who's been accused of embezzlement by her former campaign manager, and can't run her own business is somehow going to be a paragon of fiscal virtue.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2010/Sep/15/tea_party_win_stuns_delaware_gop__thrills_dems.html

[f.2]

It's going to be a close race, but O'Donnell'll win.

[ForTehNguyen]

I'm still at a loss as to how a deadbeat, who can't manage her own finances, who's been accused of embezzlement by her former campaign manager, and can't run her own business is somehow going to be a paragon of fiscal virtue

I guess a 7 term RINO would be better, who knows?

[Skyyr]

Libertarians are what the Classical Republicans used to be.

You mean Constitutionalists. Libertarians are closer to moderate anarchists than to conservatives.

[Belmont31R]

I guess a 7 term RINO would be better, who knows?



One that voted for Cap and Trade no less.

[John_Wayne777]

How would they shoot themselves in the foot if they take money that would have been spent on a no-win scenario and put it towards races they actually can win?

Triage, it isn't just for trauma anymore.


Triage is one thing.

Making a public announcement about it in the immediate aftermath of the result is something altogether different.

[SHIVAN]

These threads always seem to jump to personally directed posts versus a discussion of the topic.

If we can't speak in generalities, and discuss the topic without immediately flipping over to "you" and "you're" directed villifications, or borderline ad hominem attacks, we'll avoid these topics altogether in the future.

We're generally on the same team guys....act like it.

[Gutshot John]

It's going to be a close race, but O'Donnell'll win.

So you're taking my bet?

Fair Warning before you say yes:

O'Donnell garnered only 30K votes in a state that has 100K more Democrats than Republicans. While she may solidify the Republican base, she's going to need an awful lot of moderates/Dems to swing her way...the very people that she's going to push into the Dem column.

You don't have to be a statistician to figure out that she's dead meat.

[Gutshot John]

You mean Constitutionalists. Libertarians are closer to moderate anarchists than to conservatives.

Uhm...no. Who gave you that idea?

[Gutshot John]

One that voted for Cap and Trade no less.

Reasonable people can disagree on many things. While Cap/Trade is idiotic, it doesn't make you a socialist.

Having a majority in the Senate means that the more conservative leadership can oppose Cap/Tax, Obamacare, control spending/taxation and do a variety of other things that they won't be able to now. The "junior" senator from Delaware would have been one vote among 51 hardly enough to sway the other 50.

Would you rather have the issue to bitch about? or the issue solved?

[Skyyr]

Uhm...no. Who gave you that idea?

History, the fact that the two party system was founded on defining the limits of the Constitution vs expanding it (hence the term "Constitutionalist"), and the fact that the Libertarian party wasn't founded until 1971.

[500grains]

O'Donnell garnered only 30K votes in a state that has 100K more Democrats than Republicans. While she may solidify the Republican base, she's going to need an awful lot of moderates/Dems to swing her way...the very people that she's going to push into the Dem column.


This is exactly the analysis that Colin Powell used in order to explain that Republicans should be middle of the road / big government / moderates, not conservatives. But the voters seem to disagree.

[Gutshot John]

History, the fact that the two party system was founded on defining the limits of the Constitution vs expanding it (hence the term "Constitutionalist"), and the fact that the Libertarian party wasn't founded until 1971.

False premise.

The Tea Party wasn't "founded" until last year, so?

The Tea Party includes many libertarians. I suppose you want them purged too?

Your view of history is colored by how you want it to be, now how it actually was.

[Gutshot John]

This is exactly the analysis that Colin Powell used in order to explain that Republicans should be middle of the road / big government / moderates, not conservatives. But the voters seem to disagree.

Do you understand how the electoral college and federalism work?

Voters in Alaska maybe...voters in Delaware NOT!

[SHIVAN]

So we are obviously caught up enough to respond to people on the same page as my warning to cut out the borderline attacks, and we have a "Do you understand...." question?

I'm not up to babysitting grown men today. <LOCK AFTER POSTING>