View Full Version : ak-200 series from Izmash
Here's some pics I found.
Dust cover hinges to protect from losing zero.
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalash/ak100/newak40.jpg
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalash/ak100/newak37.jpg
hinge point and new rear site
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalash/ak100/newak41.jpg
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalash/ak100/newak36.jpg
thumb safety? a bit crude.
http://www.gun-world.net/russain/kalash/ak100/newak34.jpg
Discuss.....
GermanSynergy
09-15-10, 17:46
Looks interesting, but they need to address that.....thumb safety thing......:confused:
Looks interesting, but they need to address that.....thumb safety thing......:confused:
Definately not lefty friendly.
Looks interesting, but they need to address that.....thumb safety thing
it blocks the trigger in the "up" position.
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2654016-tfb.jpg
In my opinion, I think it's time for Izhmash to create something brand new from scratch. Enough with the slap jobs.
Looks like some sort of locking lever at the rear of the receiver too. Probably makes a decently solid cover.
Spooky
In my opinion, I think it's time for Izhmash to create something brand new from scratch. Enough with the slap jobs.
Never happen until they put the potato vodka down.
Never happen until they put the potato vodka down.
Or until Mr. K himself kicks the bucket. Nah, I don't wish that on him. I hope Mr. K lives a long and prosperous life and makes many more AK's.
Never happen until they put the potato vodka down.
We Ruskies dont drink potato Vodka. We stick to Stoli ( at least the real Russians).
Personally I cant wait until the AK-200 comes out. If done right it will be a AK107/Velmet love child, with plenty of modification options ( maybe I'm dreaming). At least thats my hope.
GermanSynergy
09-16-10, 09:09
The trigger has a slightly different contour- maybe they have improved the pull as well?
Moose-Knuckle
09-16-10, 16:07
I'm dig'n that dust cover! The safety, not so much.
They need to make the mag release an inch longer and straighter.
Rock n locks don't work well under stress with short stubby levers.
Cagemonkey
09-16-10, 17:21
Looks like the new safety lever is independent of the selector/dust cover. Seems it only blocks movement of the trigger. I'm to assume you set the selector in the desired position and use the trigger safety. Pretty cheesy setup.
Heavy Metal
09-16-10, 18:42
Will somebody please send this link to Izmash?
http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=202
Looks like the new safety lever is independent of the selector/dust cover. Seems it only blocks movement of the trigger. I'm to assume you set the selector in the desired position and use the trigger safety. Pretty cheesy setup.
Izhmash could've made their own blackjack swift or krebs selector switch, but I'll guess that it doesn't seem to allow for quickly moving the switch from safe-auto-semi and vice versa.
DaBears_85
09-17-10, 10:38
So wait, it's like an external safety? That seems like it could be incredibly dangerous. Am I missing something?
So wait, it's like an external safety? That seems like it could be incredibly dangerous. Am I missing something?
No, you're not.
It's sad really....the Russians continually lag behind in small arms design, even on weapons that they developed in house (although Hugo Schmeisser probably helped out quite a bit while being held by the Soviets).
The Israelis figured out how to set up an ergonomic and effective thumb safety/selector for the Kalashnikov back in the late 70's. US shooters came up with a simple piece of welded steel on a standard safety which is leaps and bounds ahead of the standard selector.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/IDF/MyGalil386leftclose.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Vickers%203%20Day%20Level%201%206-8%20Feb%2009/P1010551.jpg
Optics....the Russians are still 20 years behind the best of the Western optic systems.
Mounting accessories......a simple piece of forged aluminum with 1913 rail machined into it that replaces the stamped steel gas tube....I mean really? Is it rocket science?
Anyway....to say that I'm underwhelmed by Russian attempts to modernize the Kalashnikov would be an understatement.
But then again, we are dealing with these guys.....
Russian Spetsnatz/Omon/Alpha bus takedown. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elJwuD7pfmc)
Just pray you're never taken hostage in Russia.
That is an abortion. Someone send them a KTR-03 and tell them to start building. Save money by swapping the Galil safety for a SWIFT lever.
Really though, I agree with kal. If they really want to improve they need to stop slapping Band-Aids on the AK and start with a blank sheet of paper. I wonder though. When they're done, think they'll have a SCAR or something very similar to that?
ETA: Templar has captured my thoughts on this thing perfectly. Underwhelmed doesn't begin to capture my impression of this turd.
If they would remove that silly left side scope mount, why cant a lever be made for the left side of the gun? That scope mount is redundant with the dustcover being railed.
Mounting accessories......a simple piece of forged aluminum with 1913 rail machined into it that replaces the stamped steel gas tube....I mean really? Is it rocket science?
They could just weld a steel rail on the standard gas tube...
The safety looks like a decent idea to retrofit existing AK's, not put on a "new" design. There is nothing dangerous about the design, I often wondered why the AK didn't get an SKS safety and a semi/auto selector. I guess that is two different controls, three if you also count the trigger and the rifle was designed for disposable conscripts...
I have never even seen the selector used as a dust cover, always seen them carried in semi or auto without a round in the chamber.
They could just weld a steel rail on the standard gas tube...
The safety looks like a decent idea to retrofit existing AK's, not put on a "new" design. There is nothing dangerous about the design, I often wondered why the AK didn't get an SKS safety and a semi/auto selector. I guess that is two different controls, three if you also count the trigger and the rifle was designed for disposable conscripts...
I have never even seen the selector used as a dust cover, always seen them carried in semi or auto without a round in the chamber.
True, except it wouldn't hold zero well at all. Standard gas tubes develop a lot of slop in there. The Ultimak locks around the barrel, and if properly done, is rock solid.
Just keep welding more stamped metal in there...:p
I know the Ultimak is solid, but making a new rifle the rear sight block should just be made with a rail as low as possible for the H1.
Will somebody please send this link to Izmash?
http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66&products_id=202
I know! It boggles my mind that the Russians or any other foreign users of AKs for that matter, haven't come up with their own take on this. As a big AK fan, I love tabbed safety levers and it's such a simple mod.
I find it interesting that the Russians don't seem to consider weight an important consideration for their rifles.
The AN-94 weighs about 8.5 lbs empty, according to world.guns, and this thing has got to weigh close to that.
I find it interesting that the Russians don't seem to consider weight an important consideration for their rifles.
The AN-94 weighs about 8.5 lbs empty, according to world.guns, and this thing has got to weigh close to that.
I find it interesting the ACR is 8lbs.....
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