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OneInchPunch
09-29-10, 23:10
ok, so i know that both are great, but i can easily get my hands on a DD where i work, but not a BCM and that makes it hard for me to look away and buy the BCM so what i want to know is if i buy the DD will i read this forum and regret it like i did my bushy? (no im not comparing the two). what are the major differences and where is the advantage?
i tried the search but lets be honest its like searching the word the no end to the results. thanks in advance.
Either way you can't go wrong...try doing a site search though Google.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=44751
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=62884
Both are outstanding outfits that offer Tier One products. I would go with the one that offers your ideal configuration at the best price. I would be confident puchasing from either MFG withoutever handling the rifle.
Both are outstanding outfits that offer Tier One products. I would go with the one that offers your ideal configuration at the best price. I would be confident puchasing from either MFG withoutever handling the rifle.
What he said.
I prefer my BCM, but that's only because I've never used a DD. DD undoubtedly makes gread products, as many here will readily attest to, and I have no doubt that their ARs are just as good as their other offerings.
Flip a coin, close your eyes and pick a hand, do what you gotta do. Either way you're going to end up with a great AR.
With DD you CAN get into a BASIC KISS Carbine w/sights with CHF Barrel or UNDER $1000. Don't think you can do that with a BCM. just a thought.
When it comes to DD and BCM either weapon will be excellent. You should make your choice on who has the rifle configured the closest to how you want it.
Cameron
Daniel Defense Recce
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4585210124_9db1b846c2_z.jpg
Bravo Company SPR
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1288/4668972701_7b051035fc_z.jpg
I prefer DD but only because I own their rifles but I have now owned a BCM yet.
Both are guns that you can use with confidence in a dangerous situation.
When it comes to DD and BCM either weapon will be excellent. You should make your choice on who has the rifle configured the closest to how you want it.
Cameron
Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner.
Both are the best of the best. Find the configuration you likebest and grab it up. I prefer DD for several reasons, but all are just personal preference. I do believe the DDM4 V1 is the best & most complete rifle you can buy complete out of the box.
Get one, get both, you will love either or.
Just split it 50/50 like I did, get the best of both worlds with a BCM upped & DD lower :D. They are both excellent pieces of equipment and neither has ever given me one once of trouble.
SWATcop556
09-30-10, 11:14
I prefer BCM due to Paul going that extra mile with everything but tge DD is a quality weapon. You would be well served with either.
Both are top quality rifles, with top quality guys behind them.
You honestly can't go wrong with either one.
If you can get a DD through work, but not a BCM, then get the DD and run with it.
Captain_America
09-30-10, 12:45
FWIW I have been lookin into which to buy for a very long time while I socked away funds. I had it down to DD and BCM. Everything I've ever read about both are nothing but quality. I focused on these two because from everything I could gather, no corners were ever cut. I went with the DDXV in the end cause it was basic like I wanted and I found a killer price on it. I would have gone either way though and not thought twice about it. Find the one with the features you want, and the best price you can get is. Won't hesitate to get guns, parts, or components from either in the future.
xbmxracerx
09-30-10, 13:50
I love my DD!
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/emufreak1/61954_1569633476764_1113293683_1634624_1315260_n.jpg
xbmxracerx
09-30-10, 13:53
Spike's Tactical (http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113&products_id=443)also offer a quality product in the XV range as well.
FWIW I have been lookin into which to buy for a very long time while I socked away funds. I had it down to DD and BCM. Everything I've ever read about both are nothing but quality. I focused on these two because from everything I could gather, no corners were ever cut. I went with the DDXV in the end cause it was basic like I wanted and I found a killer price on it. I would have gone either way though and not thought twice about it. Find the one with the features you want, and the best price you can get is. Won't hesitate to get guns, parts, or components from either in the future.
Captain_America
09-30-10, 13:57
Spike's Tactical (http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113&products_id=443)also offer a quality product in the XV range as well.
That does look pretty nice. One thing I did like about the XV was the 1.5 rear sight. I got the gun for a little bit more than that Spikes, but I didn't have to get a rear sight (just didn't want the handle sight).
xbmxracerx
09-30-10, 14:16
Their carry handle/sight combo is actually pretty nice. It comes off quickly with thumb screws. I went the rear flip route because of my ACOG.
That does look pretty nice. One thing I did like about the XV was the 1.5 rear sight. I got the gun for a little bit more than that Spikes, but I didn't have to get a rear sight (just didn't want the handle sight).
Larry Vickers introduces the Daniel Defense M4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEnwlIuw1jA&feature=related)
Daniel Defense Cold Hammer Forged Barrels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kb0HQe7xNw)
Just split it 50/50 like I did, get the best of both worlds with a BCM upped & DD lower :D. They are both excellent pieces of equipment and neither has ever given me one once of trouble.
You've got it all wrong. I went with a BCM Lower and DD Upper ;)
It's very hard to beat a BCM GFCH or the DD Rails.
A good buddy of mine recently got a BCM lower with a DD middy upper with a Lite rail. That rifle is SOOO light and handy its rediculous.
If wanted to trade me my Noveske Recce for his BCM/DD rifle, I would be seriously tempted.
xbmxracerx
09-30-10, 16:59
More DD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZW4wYL7rQs) info....
Larry Vickers introduces the Daniel Defense M4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEnwlIuw1jA&feature=related)
Daniel Defense Cold Hammer Forged Barrels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kb0HQe7xNw)
NewWaveGuy
09-30-10, 17:15
Both are the best of the best. Find the configuration you likebest and grab it up. I prefer DD for several reasons, but all are just personal preference. I do believe the DDM4 V1 is the best & most complete rifle you can buy complete out of the box.
Get one, get both, you will love either or.
Hello! I am a newbie and wondered why you prefer v1 to v3? Thanks :)
xbmxracerx
09-30-10, 17:32
After tons of research, I chose my V3 midlength system. Less impact due to the extended length of the gas tube. Easier on BCG(bolt carrier group), buffer and your shoulder.
Hello! I am a newbie and wondered why you prefer v1 to v3? Thanks :)
He might choose V1 due to the extra rail surface. They all have 16" barrels but diff configurations. V1 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=141) 12" Rail, V2 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=161) 7" rail and V3 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=207) Mid 9" rail(FSB (front sight base)moved out 2 inches on barrel)
westcoastfrog
09-30-10, 20:02
ever considered centurion arms? i have a few of their uppers with hammer forged mid length barrels and i couldn't be happier. monty really knows how to build em over there.
ever considered centurion arms? i have a few of their uppers with hammer forged mid length barrels and i couldn't be happier. monty really knows how to build em over there.
That he does.
NewWaveGuy
09-30-10, 20:08
After tons of research, I chose my V3 midlength system. Less impact due to the extended length of the gas tube. Easier on BCG(bolt carrier group), buffer and your shoulder.
He might choose V1 due to the extra rail surface. They all have 16" barrels but diff configurations. V1 12" Rail, V2 7" rail and V3 Mid 9" rail(FSB (front sight base)moved out 2 inches on barrel)
Thanks so much, I truly appreciate it! :)
xbmxracerx
09-30-10, 20:49
no prob
V1 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=141) 12" Rail, V2 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=161) 7" rail and V3 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=207) Mid 9" rail(FSB (front sight base)moved out 2 inches on barrel)
Thanks so much, I truly appreciate it! :)
I just bought a DDM4v5, mid-length with 12" rail with the 1.5 fixed sights. I was in the same boat until I walked into the gun store and saw it for a killer price. Piecing together a BCM middy would have cost a little more than what I paid for the DDM4. I was going to do BCM complete upper with Spike's complete lower with the same accessories as the DDM4.
Dirtyboy333
09-30-10, 21:43
I just wanna thank all the experts for the great info on this site. Its the only site i completely trust! Pretty conveinent that the exact thread i was looking for was on the front page.
I just want to add that i have almost completed my DD m4 with the Lite 10" and CHF barrel. Everything seems of the best quality and i couldnt be happier with their customer service. I had suspicions that the DD barrel i bought from a VENDOR wasnt CHF even though I had paid for CHF. I called Larry Stanley of DD and sent it to him to inspect and my suspicion was accurate as it was an older DD button barrel. Anyway, DD sent me a new CHF barrel free of charge and it shipped out the same day that they recieved my returned barrel...thats a fast turn-around :big_boss: Anyway, the main reason why I went DD over BCM (even though im using a BCM BCG) is because i like how they actually manufacture alot if not most of their parts in house (lower, barrel,etc). Correct me if wrong but im under the impression BCM (even though its top quality) doesnt. Again, im not sure of that and would like some more input on the subject as i have not seen much on it. I just like a company like DD who forks up the dough and takes a risk in buying their own hammer forging machine etc.
OneInchPunch
09-30-10, 23:14
i talked to DD today, and they sold me on it. BCM is kick ass but DD is right next to them. Both are great i know but i can easily get DD's all day and cant even order BCM. so ill probably go with one i can easily get a hold of the company.
side note...
there is at least one gun store who stocks and recommends these rifles....the one where i work. i know "gun shop commandos" get a bad rep, but i try.
thanks guys
I've have been wanting to get one of the new Daniel Defense's CHF 14.5 inch lightweight middy barreled A4 uppers for awhile. I wanted this upper to come with a fixed front sight, no BCG, handguards or rail and no muzzle device but everything else. So I called DD today and they said, we can do that, quoted me a good price and its already on the brown truck with delivery set for Monday. The sales rep also said they will be opening a new web site shorty where you will be able to order about any built configuration you wish. As far as BCM vs DD , to me it just came down to getting it built the way I wanted it and availability.
BCM would be my choice, without hesitation.
I went with DD simply because they had a 14.5 hammer forged mid length, and BCM only has the 16 currently.
Like someone has already stated, get the one that is closest to the configuration you need.
this thread is refreshing. too often threads like this turn into nothing more than "get what I got" with virtually no explanation as to why, or people simply recommending the brand that most recently sent them freebies.
I can tell you that I've spent my own money on BCM, and currently have 3 T&E guns in my safe from them (one of which I'm overdue to send back!) with hopefully another on the way. Even with that some of the DD carbines look very nice, and if they offer a configuration that works for you I think they're a very good option. Right now DD is also more likely to appear on your dealer's shelf as a complete gun which is a big plus for a lot of people.
I am also so happy to see the AR market in the state it currently is. we are in the heyday IMHO, and having to choose between BCM and DD is an AWESOME problem to have!
Hello! I am a newbie and wondered why you prefer v1 to v3? Thanks :)
After tons of research, I chose my V3 midlength system. Less impact due to the extended length of the gas tube. Easier on BCG(bolt carrier group), buffer and your shoulder.
He might choose V1 due to the extra rail surface. They all have 16" barrels but diff configurations. V1 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=141) 12" Rail, V2 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=161) 7" rail and V3 (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=207) Mid 9" rail(FSB (front sight base)moved out 2 inches on barrel)
I did choose the V1 for the specific 12.0 FSP rail. I love it, I like to have my foregrip way out just under the front of the FSB and this rail is perfect for it and light as hell. Also I lvoe a 3 o'clock mount for my light; witht eh DD rail I have just about zero barrel shadowing. The balance of the V1 was just perfect for me personally; and balance/weight is a huge deal to me. You cannot go worng with DD or BCM, whatever model or version you choose.
My next upper is going to be BCM, not sure the configuration yet though.
You've got it all wrong. I went with a BCM Lower and DD Upper ;)
It's very hard to beat a BCM GFCH or the DD Rails.
I did go with the DD Lite rail.....so I'm pretty close :D
Doc Safari
10-01-10, 12:53
For some reason my dealer can't get Bravo Company AR's or doesn't want to.
A couple of days ago I ordered a Daniel Defense XV Carbine from him. The $1,100 retail price tag seemed like a bargain, and I had mixed feelings about the whole you get what you pay for thing.
Last night I watched one of the outdoor channels and Larry Vickers hosted a show where he said that the DD M4 was his personal choice.
I feel better already.
He said something about Tango Down mags or something, though, and I've never heard of those.
For some reason my dealer can't get Bravo Company AR's or doesn't want to.
A couple of days ago I ordered a Daniel Defense XV Carbine from him. The $1,100 retail price tag seemed like a bargain, and I had mixed feelings about the whole you get what you pay for thing.
Last night I watched one of the outdoor channels and Larry Vickers hosted a show where he said that the DD M4 was his personal choice.
I feel better already.
He said something about Tango Down mags or something, though, and I've never heard of those.
Vickers helped in developing the DDM4, FYI.
The tango mags looks promising (And I think Vickers may have had a hand in development of some tango down mags); but I have not yet tried one out, they look weird with the two piece sans floor plate construction.
Captain_America
10-01-10, 14:25
For some reason my dealer can't get Bravo Company AR's or doesn't want to.
A couple of days ago I ordered a Daniel Defense XV Carbine from him. The $1,100 retail price tag seemed like a bargain, and I had mixed feelings about the whole you get what you pay for thing.
Last night I watched one of the outdoor channels and Larry Vickers hosted a show where he said that the DD M4 was his personal choice.
I feel better already.
He said something about Tango Down mags or something, though, and I've never heard of those.
The DDXV is the same gun as the M4, it just doesn't have the Omega rail or come with the MOE stock.
If you're no yet obligated to the one you ordered, I was able to get a DDXV on GB for $925 shipped. That's the lowest I've seen but you should be able to find them for aroun $1000 easily. With the money I saved I bought a black set of MOE furniture.
If you want the mid-length gas system you can get a DDM4V3 from Buds for $1149 shipped. It also comes with the Omega rail and the MOE stock.
NewWaveGuy
10-01-10, 19:02
I did choose the V1 for the specific 12.0 FSP rail. I love it, I like to have my foregrip way out just under the front of the FSB and this rail is perfect for it and light as hell. Also I lvoe a 3 o'clock mount for my light; witht eh DD rail I have just about zero barrel shadowing. The balance of the V1 was just perfect for me personally; and balance/weight is a huge deal to me. You cannot go worng with DD or BCM, whatever model or version you choose.
My next upper is going to be BCM, not sure the configuration yet though.
Thanks so much!
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