View Full Version : Advice needed with AR15 carbine
Bullwinkle
10-16-10, 22:20
Im looking at spending around$1200 for a AR15 and the only thing i really want are a 1.4 barrel and a 1.5 battle comp otherwise the field is wide open.
What is the best way to proceed?
Im assuming you mean a 14.5 inch barrel. Check out BCM. You can get a hell of a rifle through them configured pretty much any way you like it for 1200 bucks.
Start with a Colt 6920 or a Midlength from BCM/DD/Noveske and get your battle comp.
Check this place out
http://m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=173
Whootsinator
10-16-10, 23:05
I would highly recommend a BCM 14.5in Middy with a pinned BC 1.5.
JR TACTICAL
10-16-10, 23:46
Go Daniel Defense man you will not be disapointed
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I'd suggest a 16" mid-length from Noveske (most expensive), DD, BCM. I say 16" so you can change out the Flash Hider/Compensator at will. With a 14.5", whatever you have on the end will have to be permanently attached (welded some how) to be legal; not an easy cheap change out.
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Bullwinkle
10-17-10, 00:29
thank you yes i ment 14.5 inch barrel as the ones ive seen seem more maneuverable for some reason when compared to 16 inch AR15s. will do more research and real the link provided.
I am fairly certain that you will not be able to discern between a 14.5" pinned or a 16". I am not a fan of pinning flash hiders for a variety of reasons.
thank you yes i ment 14.5 inch barrel as the ones ive seen seem more maneuverable for some reason when compared to 16 inch AR15s. will do more research and real the link provided.
If this is your first AR then I would recommend you get the 16. Too much of a hassle to have a pinned FH and realize it doesnt work for you and want to try something else.
I used to be one to notice the 1.5" difference between the 16 and 14.5 but I forgot about it after a while. Just a 1 day session in my case.
There is practically only a 1" difference between the two (14.5 + 1.5 Vs. 16 + 1). Is it worth the extra cost, hassle and potential inconvenience?
DD and BCM also offer 14.5" and 16" lightweight .625" profile middy barrels and uppers if you like less total weight.
Daniel Defense or BCM 14.5 middy. Order either with no FH then buy you BC 1.5 seperately and have it pinned by ADCO. Bravo is supposed to be getting the BC 1.5 so they may offer it as an option on their 14.5" barreled uppers in the near future.
Either way DD or BCM are great can't go wrong with either.
Some questions; Are you looking for a carbine complete ie:upper, lower, BCG, furnature, and BUIS? Do you want a FF rail or will handguards and a fixed FSP be ok?
Here is an option:
BCM 14.5" standard mid length upper with BCG, CH, and un pinned A2 FH $$520
BCM lower reciever group complete less stock $340
Magpul MOE stock $54.00
Magpul MOE grip $19.95
Magpul MOE mid length hand guards $33.20
DD A1.5 rear fixed sight $65
Battlecomp 1.5 $155
ADCO Pin and weld muzzle device $30
Total: $1217.15 you could save $90 if you ordered up a BCM blemished lower putting you at $1127.15
Failure2Stop
10-17-10, 15:49
Start with a Colt 6920 or a Midlength from BCM/DD/Noveske and get your battle comp.
I think you mean a 6921 (http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/LE6921_Law_Enforcement_Carbine-9-274.html).
FWIW- I can tell the difference in 1.5 inches of barrel when shooting a 6920 compared to a 6921 when both are stock, as they come out of the box, as far as handling and shooting characteristics, and I prefer the 14.5 when they are in that state. However, once extended handguards go on (I don't like any handguard shorter than 9", prefer 12"-13") and the gas system is changed to mid-length (for the 16" barrel- I have not yet shot one of the 14.5 middies), I vastly prefer the 16" middie. If going the non-NFA route, the 1" in barrel length doesn't do anything for indoor or vehicle work, but does come at a substantial loss of muzzle velocity.
Just something to consider before laying out the $$.
I had a BCM 16" middy that I sold when I was sick. I have a 14.5" middy now with a pinned flash hideder. The extra $ and time are a PITA I like the gun but would suggest a hard look at a 16" middy from BCM. The 16" will protect your wallet when you want to switch things up. Ifyour new you will likely change stuff up as you decide what you want and like.
Bullwinkle
10-17-10, 22:36
Weight is not a issue. I like how the 14.5 a friend has it just felt better in close areas and accuracy did not seem to suffer as we were hitting steel targets at 300 yards with his aimpoint.
Realy do not know what I want, am looking around trying to learn much while checking out pictures or ar15's.
BCM does have a good list of options, wonder if they will sell a 14.5 carbine without a muzzle device and then how legal is for me to have one without the SBR paperwork.
Bullwinkle,
You are getting some very solid advice from several of the more knowledgable and experienced members here.
I personally own both 14.5" and 16" barrelled ARs, and in my opinion you would be much better off with the standard 16" barrel gun.
With the Vortex Flash Hider, the difference between the overall length of the these two rifles is literally an "inch."
16" Barrel, 12" rail
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx220/SkiDevil01/NoveskePhotos0014.jpg
14.5" Barrel, 11" rail
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx220/SkiDevil01/NoveskeAfghan023.jpg
Having a pinned Flash Hider may limit (or complicate) your choices for customizing the rifle later, when you learn what works for you. But if you desire or have the ability to own several rifles then it really doesn't matter as much (then buy both).
Best of Luck
SkiDevil
P.S. Here is a link for an Article prepared by member Rob_s on selecting an AR. The information may be useful for your decision/ selection process.
Link: http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/8343/9201.html
BlueOvalFan
10-18-10, 01:48
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I'd suggest a 16" mid-length from Noveske (most expensive), DD, BCM. I say 16" so you can change out the Flash Hider/Compensator at will. With a 14.5", whatever you have on the end will have to be permanently attached (welded some how) to be legal; not an easy cheap change out.
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Spot on! I would suggest the same.
Once you have a gun configured will you ever really change much that requires removing the barrel? How often will you swap out a quality rail system?
My newest rifle is a 14.5 with a pinned FH. I haven't had a chance for much trigger time on it but I feel that I can notice a different between this and a full 16 inch gun. It could just be psychological but I don't think so. I choose this configuration because I wanted a solid system that I was not going to have a reason to change around or screw with.
...how legal is for me to have one without the SBR paperwork.
As illegal as it gets.
BCM does have a good list of options, wonder if they will sell a 14.5 carbine without a muzzle device and then how legal is for me to have one without the SBR paperwork.
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As illegal as it gets.
Yes and no. If you are asking can you build a 14.5 inch gun without SBR paperwork, then NO!
However if you plan on permanently attaching a FH before you assemble the gun then you should be ok. Had to do this last week. Had the upper about a week before I got the Muzzle device welded on there good. But it was not built into a complete gun either.
The law is stupid. But we have to follow it.
bsmith_shoot
10-18-10, 09:42
I would say to go with the 16" mid-length. If, in the future, you decide to SBR the lower, you can get a short upper, and maybe use the same type of muzzle device for both uppers, maybe a QD suppressor mount. Who knows, just keep your options open.
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