View Full Version : How do you guys like running your MOE handguards with a light?
Knife_Sniper
10-26-10, 08:19
Anyone have the magpul illumination kit? How do you like running with a light on your MOE? Im going with a MOE setup for a light or im going to go with GG&G sling and light combo rail. Im not interested in a FF rail setup. Anyone have pictures they would like to share of their MOE setup with light?
Where is the light on a clockface mounted to the left of the sight tower. Is it at 9,10, or 11 oclock?
Thanks guys!
langston302
10-26-10, 10:04
I run MOE gear with the 11 inch Magpul rail on the left. I run a mounted surefire g3 and it sits at the 10 position. Works well and I like how it all works together
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 11:43
I've had an eye out for such myself. I'm set up with mid-length MOE's and the matching fore grip and really dig the weight, or lack of, and the ergonomics. I was planning on mounting a light on a rail section and an offset mount to put it at 5 o'clock or so and use the thumb from the fore grip hand method to activate it, but I'm concerned the angle of the side flats on the MOE's might throw the light further out than is comfortable. My backup solution is the Elzetta light mount under the barrel, using that I can move my fore grip more forward which I prefer and activate the light with my finger on the un-used sling swivel.
I use the mount-n-slot rotation limited QD on the left rear of the MOE for my sling. Been waiting to see someone try it before I buy a mount though.
Unless mount-n-slot ever releases there MOE light mount setup.. :)
The light has been replaced by a Surefire X300, and I don't typically shoot with the AFG, but here is one example for you.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/BCM/CTML0977-1024-Stick.jpg
sonrider657
10-26-10, 17:34
This setup works great for me:
http://www.christiancarnivore.com/magpul 2.jpg
I bought their Illum Kit and am running a G2 in a VTAC mount on the left side in about the 11 o'clock position. This rifle has their MOE VFG on it and I grip it with more of a high thumb hold rather than like a broomhandle. The light is actually part of my grip and I either adjust my thumb to activate the tailcap or have it tightened down to where just pressure on the side of cap activates the light. My hands are pretty big and this works for me. YMMV... This is a carbine length system, I would prefer a longer rail/handguard where the light could be an inch or two farther forward
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101026_165711.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101026_165803.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101026_171411.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101026_171458.jpg
This is just one of my rifles. It's not my primary... kinda third string (only one with MOE gear), but they're all set up in a roughly similar manner.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101026_172757.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101026_172841.jpg
The last one here with the AFG, I run my thumb over the top to activate the light. I may experiment with that with the MOE setup as well :thank_you2: Thanks for the idea :smile:
We had some end of budget money left over and I just bought 12 of the Elzetta setups (as above) to install on some of our night-shift guns (with G2's with Cree LEDs; about $110 total each). We'll see how they work out. They seemed like a fairly stout, fiscally conservative, ambidextrous and not interfere with our rifle locks way to set them up with lights.
I don't run a MOE on my middy, but I do on my carbine.
IMHO, it's too short to have a light mounted directly. I mount the light on the left side of the FSB.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/mrbieler/simplecarbine_1.jpg
As a lefty im running a G2 in a VTAC mount on the left side of the weapon. I activate the pushbutton with my support hand (right) thumb over the top of the handguard. I was running an rvg on the basic handguards i had but i like the moe's the way they are. Excuse the cell pics.
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af174/marco1144/AR/IMG00024-20101008-1829.jpg
I'm using the MOE cantilever mount at 9:45 o'clock
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/BCM_Middy.jpg
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 18:02
This setup works great for me:
http://www.christiancarnivore.com/magpul 2.jpg
That's one of the setup's I've been thinking about exactly, just with the longer midlength hand guards and my VFG.
Interesting almost everyone with MOE handguards is doing a high light mount.
Dos Cylindros
10-26-10, 18:33
I am currently running the middy MOE with the illum kit mounted on the left side of the carbine. The setup is nice, sturdy and light weight. That being said, I already broke down and have a DD Omega 9.0 on the way for it. I just want metal to metal mounting points.
langston302
10-26-10, 18:42
Interesting almost everyone with MOE handguards is doing a high light mount.
I think its due to the lack of options based on the design
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 18:51
I think its due to the lack of options based on the design
Might be. My theory is an offset mount on the upper right flat, which is angled, will kick the light out further than is desirable. Waiting for someone else to try it and save me $50 in experimenting.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs470.ash2/74369_165338713483939_100000234348199_470808_119711_n.jpg
Just set my Middy with a light. Hitting the range tomorrow to see how I like it.
Might be. My theory is an offset mount on the upper right flat, which is angled, will kick the light out further than is desirable. Waiting for someone else to try it and save me $50 in experimenting.
I mount my light that way on my duty weapon because it works. I can't begin to understand where you think there is a problem with it. If you hold your weapon a different way so that it would not work for you, don't use it. Its popular because it works well.
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 20:12
I mount my light that way on my duty weapon because it works. I can't begin to understand where you think there is a problem with it. If you hold your weapon a different way so that it would not work for you, don't use it. Its popular because it works well.
Assuming we are talking about the same thing, I've handled (but not actively used) railed pieces set up that way and liked them a lot. That's why I want to do that with the MOE's. My worry is that the flat on the side(with the slots), that is normally vertical on a rail, is slightly tilted in on the MOE handguard. I'm concerned that that tilt will have a light in an offset mount angled out away from my support hand on the VFG, which I'd like to use the thumb of to activate the light. If you have this setup on a piece with MOE's I'd love to see a photo and hear what offset mount you are running. Again assuming I am describing the setup I'm interested in well enough, I don't think it's a problem at all, just haven't seen it on an MOE yet and it seems odd as popular as it is in general.
edit: more or less this I'm wanting to see done with MOE's.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Accessories/DSC03403.jpg
Wolf,
Do you hold your VFG with your whole hand (thumb wrapped; like a hammer)? I am assuming this based on you asking about 4/5 o'clock and wanting to use your thumb on the light.
I don't mind swapping things around (when I have a chance) and taking a pic to help a brother out but want to make sure we're tracking right...
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 22:56
I'm sorry, it is confusing. The OP was asking about 9, 10 and 11.
I'm interested in hearing from anyone running the opposite, 3 to 5 mounting. Specifically if the slant of the slotted-side on the MOE's are an issue with positioning of the light using an offset mount.
My bad sir
I am guilty of having the SAOAFR, forgive me
I realized after posting that you weren't the original poster and I edited it while you were typing.
I can swap mine (G2 in a VTAC) over to the right (4 or 5'ish) and snap a pic when I get a chance... possibly tomorrow morning... if you'd like?
Looking at the 2nd pic I posted up (light at 11 o'clock), you can see that it is angled in some based on the angle of the handguard. I like that because it sucks the light in tighter. I can see it doing the opposite when mounted low though as you're thinking... it's just a matter of how much it pushes it out.
I do believe I'm tracking now :blink: derrrrr
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 23:08
My bad sir
I am guilty of having the SAOAFR, forgive me
I realized after posting that you weren't the original poster and I edited it while you were typing.
I can swap mine (G2 in a VTAC) over to the right (4 or 5'ish) and snap a pic when I get a chance... possibly tomorrow morning... if you'd like?
Looking at the 2nd pic I posted up (light at 11 o'clock), you can see that it is angled in some based on the angle of the handguard. I like that because it sucks the light in tighter. I can see it doing the opposite when mounted low though as you're thinking... it's just a matter of how much it pushes it out.
I do believe I'm tracking now :blink: derrrrr
Absolutely, and I'd be very grateful for a pic of the vtac onto the other side, or just hold it in position and snap a pic even.
wolf_walker
10-26-10, 23:14
Wolf,
Do you hold your VFG with your whole hand (thumb wrapped; like a hammer)? I am assuming this based on you asking about 4/5 o'clock and wanting to use your thumb on the light.
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I do when I'm grabbing things in a hurry, freaked out, off balance, etc.
When I'm actively trying to "drive the weapon" I do have better results with the support hand forward and up. That MOE VFG has a nice curve to it and having the thumb on top with the grip in the center of the other four fingers is a nice hold, but I don't feel comfy sparing a thumb or finger to activate a light. I'd think different I believe if I had to use it a lot, but I don't see a problem changing my support hand grip to something more secure feeling to activate the light with my thumb (hammer-grip on vfg).
buddyhoohaw
10-27-10, 08:23
Here's mine...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/buddyhoohaw/6520/6520A3-3.jpg
Cheers
Assuming we are talking about the same thing, I've handled (but not actively used) railed pieces set up that way and liked them a lot. That's why I want to do that with the MOE's. My worry is that the flat on the side(with the slots), that is normally vertical on a rail, is slightly tilted in on the MOE handguard. I'm concerned that that tilt will have a light in an offset mount angled out away from my support hand on the VFG, which I'd like to use the thumb of to activate the light. If you have this setup on a piece with MOE's I'd love to see a photo and hear what offset mount you are running. Again assuming I am describing the setup I'm interested in well enough, I don't think it's a problem at all, just haven't seen it on an MOE yet and it seems odd as popular as it is in general.
edit: more or less this I'm wanting to see done with MOE's.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/Spodeley/Sportsman/Accessories/DSC03403.jpg
Ok, now I'm tracking with you. I don't run things in large offset mounts anymore, so I tossed this on for a quick picture. I think my DD offsets have been sitting in a parts bin for quite awhile now. The Gear Sector mounts have replaced just about everything for me. All of the MOE handguards put the light right where I want it, so I direct mount with those. While I wouldn't shoot this way personally, it does show it can be done without any issue as a mounting solution.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Gear%20Sector/CTML1045-1024-Stick.jpg
Wolf,
I decided against breaking the Loc-tite on the rail section loose so I just flipped the light around so it's on the bottom of the rail. Yes the light's backwards and still on the left (7/8 o'clock) but you can imagine it on the right (4/5 o'clock)... or hold your monitor up to a mirror or something :p
I don't believe it angles it out too far (with this old VTAC mount anyway). The light pretty much runs just below but parallel and tight with the seam between the upper/lower handguard.
Crappy phone pics:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101027_171322.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101027_171304.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd72/smp444/IMG_20101027_171358.jpg
I hope we have assisted and maybe saved you $50 :D ... or made it a worthwhile investment
PS - I am going to refrain from putting pics in any thread that Stickman does from now on as his photos make me feel like such a wee little man ;-)
wolf_walker
10-27-10, 17:54
Wolf,
I hope we have assisted and maybe saved you $50 :D ... or made it a worthwhile investment
PS - I am going to refrain from putting pics in any thread that Stickman does from now on as his photos make me feel like such a wee little man ;-)
Excellent! Thanks man, I'll flip-flop the pics in a photo editor and do some pondering. And roger that on Stickman, I took a pic of mine the other day and it's painfully obvious who's the professional.
Hot damn! Hope to have pics of the new IWC gear up this weekend. Some of it is the cats ass for LE folks who have a budget to work in. Then the same for folks like me who just don't "need" a rail to conduct business. Parts ship tomorrow, hope to have them Friday... Monday at the latest. If the former, will get lots O pics up this weekend.
Teaser pics til I get it all together... this one allows the Scout to bolt directly to it. Others will have a small rail section, G2 attachment, so on and so forth. Also the middle is an image of the MS2 sling hook I love so much.
***No, I have NOT figured out where my pressure switch will go on this rig... just a quick staged (bad) cell phone pic or two***
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/Zeusmotorworks/IWCscoutmount3.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/Zeusmotorworks/IWCscoutmount2.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/Zeusmotorworks/IWCscoutmount.jpg
LonghunterCO
10-30-10, 17:14
I don't run a MOE on my middy, but I do on my carbine.
IMHO, it's too short to have a light mounted directly. I mount the light on the left side of the FSB.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k158/mrbieler/simplecarbine_1.jpg
I am running the same setup for the mount. Except I am running a "E" series light with clicky cap in a Vltor scout ring.
Thanks for posting those pics Zeus. Very interesting, I'd try one out.
Here's how I am currently running my light with MOE handguard
http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv254/AllPackedUp/Images/SW-MP15-MOE.jpg
bankfraudguy
10-30-10, 18:42
Teaser pics til I get it all together... this one allows the Scout to bolt directly to it. Others will have a small rail section, G2 attachment, so on and so forth. Also the middle is an image of the MS2 sling hook I love so much.
***No, I have NOT figured out where my pressure switch will go on this rig... just a quick staged (bad) cell phone pic or two***
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/Zeusmotorworks/IWCscoutmount3.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/Zeusmotorworks/IWCscoutmount2.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/Zeusmotorworks/IWCscoutmount.jpg
what mount is this ?!?!?
Impact Weapons Components. They have right/left hand top mount, right/left bottom mount etc, etc... These units are not on the website to my knowledge. I'm cranking out a full review/writeup on these after the carbine course next week. I can tell you that I'm already giddy to say the least about all they have coming out!
Impact Weapons Components. They have right/left hand top mount, right/left bottom mount etc, etc... These units are not on the website to my knowledge. I'm cranking out a full review/writeup on these after the carbine course next week. I can tell you that I'm already giddy to say the least about all they have coming out!
Do you know if they will be available soon? I got to play with the G2 mount back in August and have been wanting one ever since.
wolf_walker
10-30-10, 20:00
Impact Weapons Components. \right/left bottom mount etc, etc...
picture picture!
Do you know if they will be available soon? I got to play with the G2 mount back in August and have been wanting one ever since.
Should be pretty quick...
picture picture!
Ill this weekend... hope to feel up to lots of pics shortly :(
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