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Been a long time since a firearm purchase gave me that "Wow...did I just lose my virginity?" sensation.
The last one was probably my first MP5. Before that you'd probably have to go back to my first HK91 and HK93. Suffice to say I rarely have semi autos give me the warm fuzzies.
But this one did it.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/855/00000000368.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/561/00000000369.jpg
All Factory SIG 551-2 (1/7 twist) SWAT SBR. I think this is gonna be my new "little friend" for awhile.
I think I need a drink.
:laugh:
I do not even remotely begin to understand the attachment and emotion people have wrapped up in things such as this, but if it makes you happy then I am happy for you!
:D
I do not even remotely begin to understand the attachment and emotion people have wrapped up in things such as this, but if it makes you happy then I am happy for you!
:D
Some of us are shooters, some of us are collectors and some of us are both.
:laugh:
It can't be any dumber than collecting beer cans when I was a kid and getting all giddy because I got a new cone top. And I still have those damn cans.
jasonhgross
11-09-10, 15:22
But, they are more expensive.
God how I wish I could get one of those (drool). Damn 89 ban...
That gun is a beauty. I would love to own one.
God how I wish I could get one of those (drool). Damn 89 ban...
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/semiautos.html
A2-882 SIG ARMS 551-2SP SEMI AUTO, 5.56 CARBINE EMAIL FOR PRICE
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/mar/a882sig.html
Full package.
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/mar/a882sigh.jpg
Why does it say "223 rem"? I thought the swiss made 55x rifles are supposed to be 5.56mm nato.
I wonder how it handles 223 steel cased ammo.
Suwannee Tim
11-09-10, 18:16
Let us know when and where and we will help you break it in!:D
Belmont31R
11-09-10, 18:22
I can fully understand the try new shit aspect. Ive gone through tons of guns trying stuff out. I shoot something for 6 MOS to a year, and unless it really cliques its on to something new.
Canonshooter
11-09-10, 18:29
Nice!
I still kick myself for selling a pre-ban HK-91 I purchased new for $499.
kaltesherz
11-09-10, 18:48
Why does it say "223 rem"? I thought the swiss made 55x rifles are supposed to be 5.56mm nato.
I wonder how it handles 223 steel cased ammo.http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1258/5162234767_572aa80057_m.jpg
Some countries do not allow "Military" calibers for civilian use, 5.56 is military and .223 is not. Plus it sounds more "sporting"?
Man, I know it's just another rifle, but I think that is friggin' orgasmic. Probably Nevada brothel expensive orgasmic, but def showing your 'Oh Face' orgasmic. I'd run over my grandmother with an Abrams for one of those.
TWICE.
I'd run over my grandmother with an Abrams for one of those.
TWICE
damn dude, lol.:laugh:
I'm glad I don't have a collector mentality. I'd be stressed out all the time, thinking "when am I going to get that next holy grail."
Moose-Knuckle
11-09-10, 19:11
Congrats man, I'm foliage green with envy! :eek:
There has been a guy trying to sell one very similar NIB in my area for $10K the last five years or so at gun shows.
I don't think I could bring myself to ever shoot it if I had the money to purchase it.
Why does it say "223 rem"? I thought the swiss made 55x rifles are supposed to be 5.56mm nato.
I wonder how it handles 223 steel cased ammo.http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1258/5162234767_572aa80057_m.jpg
Colt SP-1's were marked .223 but were actually 5.56mm.
Factory Swiss SIG 55x series rifles and carbines are 5.56 chambered, no worries.
Why does it say "223 rem"? I thought the swiss made 55x rifles are supposed to be 5.56mm nato.
I wonder how it handles 223 steel cased ammo.http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1258/5162234767_572aa80057_m.jpg
Same reason Colts say .223 on the receiver.
;)
Grumpy MSG
11-09-10, 22:47
But, But...
Your new toy doesn't have "My Little Pony" on the side of it:sarcastic:
It must not be any good. LOL
But, But...
Your new toy doesn't have "My Little Pony" on the side of it:sarcastic:
It must not be any good. LOL
Nope...but it does have "made in Switzerland " on it...hard to beat that.
variablebinary
11-10-10, 00:37
Been a long time since a firearm purchase gave me that "Wow...did I just lose my virginity?" sensation.
The last one was probably my first MP5. Before that you'd probably have to go back to my first HK91 and HK93. Suffice to say I rarely have semi autos give me the warm fuzzies.
But this one did it.
All Factory SIG 551-2 (1/7 twist) SWAT SBR. I think this is gonna be my new "little friend" for awhile.
I think I need a drink.
:laugh:
Right now, I think I might hate you.
I so want a real freaking SIG 551 SWAT.
F-U SIG USA!
Nice score!
bondmid003
11-10-10, 00:55
Jealousy is rearing its ugly head inside my heart :laugh:
texasrangers
11-10-10, 03:34
so choice...if i had the means...
so choice...if i had the means...
Bueller?
Crow Hunter
11-10-10, 09:40
Nice!
I still kick myself for selling a pre-ban HK-91 I purchased new for $499.
I would kick you too.:D
I only wish I was old enough at the time to know what I was playing with at the gunshop I grew up in....
And wise enough/rich enough to have stocked up.:cray:
Oh happy day.
My HALO fits and leaves room for the gas adjustment.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9536/00000000370.jpg
Now thats just mean.....
So jealous.
texasrangers
11-10-10, 14:57
Haha yes, if Ferris was into military small arms I don't think he'd have any problem rolling with this.
Very nice.
My holy grail would be a SIG PE57.
Gray Ghost
11-11-10, 02:51
Where on earth does one acquire such a weapon?
I saw the West Coast Armory website but those aren't the same (and pricey too).
I own a SCAR 16S but I've been thinking of purchasing another european semi-auto rifle. The SCAR is nice but lacks the "soul" that something like an HK91 has. I used to have a GORGEOUS almost NIB HK91 but sold it to purchase a .30-06 I needed for hunting. Now being stuck with searching on gunbroker these days I doubt I'll ever find one that nice again because that one I purchased locally and was able to inspect every nook and cranny on it before I handed over the cash. However I probably wouldn't buy another .308 semi-auto anyways. The ammo is too expensive to have fun with so something in 5.56 would be preferred. Maybe a Galil or HK93?
Where on earth does one acquire such a weapon?
I saw the West Coast Armory website but those aren't the same (and pricey too).
I own a SCAR 16S but I've been thinking of purchasing another european semi-auto rifle. The SCAR is nice but lacks the "soul" that something like an HK91 has. I used to have a GORGEOUS almost NIB HK91 but sold it to purchase a .30-06 I needed for hunting. Now being stuck with searching on gunbroker these days I doubt I'll ever find one that nice again because that one I purchased locally and was able to inspect every nook and cranny on it before I handed over the cash. However I probably wouldn't buy another .308 semi-auto anyways. The ammo is too expensive to have fun with so something in 5.56 would be preferred. Maybe a Galil or HK93?
They are out there.
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/semiautos.html
A2-882 SIG ARMS 551-2SP SEMI AUTO, 5.56 CARBINE EMAIL FOR PRICE
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/mar/a882sig.html
Full package.
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/mar/a882sigh.jpg
Very nice.
My holy grail would be a SIG PE57.
I've contemplated one a few times. So far the aesthetics of the rifle have kept me at bay (stupid reason - but it's saving me money). The one I really, really need badly is a SIG 542.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig_sg542.jpg
I have heard there are less than a dozen semi autos in the US.
I saw one up for sale maybe 5 years ago with several different caliber conversion kits, expensive.
Gray Ghost
11-12-10, 02:15
They are out there.
http://www.autoweapons.com/products/semiautos.html
A2-882 SIG ARMS 551-2SP SEMI AUTO, 5.56 CARBINE EMAIL FOR PRICE
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/mar/a882sig.html
Full package.
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/mar/a882sigh.jpg
Very cool. Were they imported like that and sold at retail in the USA at some point?
I heard they're fairly common in Canada but I've never seen one at a gunshow or anything over the years.
Very cool. Were they imported like that and sold at retail in the USA at some point?
I heard they're fairly common in Canada but I've never seen one at a gunshow or anything over the years.
Yep, from 1989 until about 1989.
Very few 550s came in, even fewer 551-1s and even fewer 551-2s.
Expect to pay about $15,000.00
In Canada the Sig BlueStar was imported, only problem there is the limited magazine capacities due to Canada law.
Moose-Knuckle
11-12-10, 15:50
Yep, from 1989 until about 1989.
Very few 550s came in, even fewer 551-1s and even fewer 551-2s.
Expect to pay about $15,000.00
In Canada the Sig BlueStar was imported, only problem there is the limited magazine capacities due to Canada law.
How much were they going for back in 1989? I was only 10 so I hadn't started my collecting yet.
I always love looking back on the old SGN ads from the 80's. Come to think of it's kind of sad actually. :(
How much were they going for back in 1989? I was only 10 so I hadn't started my collecting yet.
I always love looking back on the old SGN ads from the 80's. Come to think of it's kind of sad actually. :(
They were never cheap. I was 18 and had been working in a couple gun shops and ranges for two years. If I remember correctly, a standard SIG 550 would sell for around $1K, at a time when a Colt AR-15A2 Sporter would sell for $500.00.
Moose-Knuckle
11-12-10, 16:40
They were never cheap. I was 18 and had been working in a couple gun shops and ranges for two years. If I remember correctly, a standard SIG 550 would sell for around $1K, at a time when a Colt AR-15A2 Sporter would sell for $500.00.
Thanks, yeah that was still some coin even for the 80's. My dad bought his H&K 91 before the ban but regrets never getting a Valmet and Galil. Money was still tight in those days.
misanthropist
11-12-10, 18:17
Yep, from 1989 until about 1989.
Very few 550s came in, even fewer 551-1s and even fewer 551-2s.
Expect to pay about $15,000.00
In Canada the Sig BlueStar was imported, only problem there is the limited magazine capacities due to Canada law.
Also the Black Special, the Red Devil, the Classic Green and the Heavy Metal...not that there is any real difference AFAIK
They are relatively common up here but as pointed out, 5 round magazines is more than a little annoying.
They are about a $3000 rifle locally.
We also get the carbines and the shorties, and apparently a "sniper" model which I have never seen but apparently does exist. Nice little machines. I love the carbine length, myself. Often wanted to get one but a $3000 rifle is not in my range at the moment!
Do you have a SIG 540? I know someone selling a 542 if you are truly interested. I believe it is in 243 Win though, not 308. Drop me an email at jsurowitz [at] aol [dot] com if you want his contact info.
I've contemplated one a few times. So far the aesthetics of the rifle have kept me at bay (stupid reason - but it's saving me money). The one I really, really need badly is a SIG 542.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig_sg542.jpg
I have heard there are less than a dozen semi autos in the US.
Do you have a SIG 540? I know someone selling a 542 if you are truly interested. I believe it is in 243 Win though, not 308. Drop me an email at jsurowitz [at] aol [dot] com if you want his contact info.
Don't have a 540, and I'm only interested in the .308 version of the 542.
Ok finally got it to the range Friday.
And once I removed the gas adjustment, turned it upside down and put it back in correctly it ran 100%. Probably a cop who owned it last.
:D
Also decided to drag my PE90 out for the day.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1880/00000000371.jpg
Not surprisingly both ran flawlessly with regular lake city .55 gr. ball. Both shot groups comparable to my Colt AR rifles of similar barrel lengths.
Lots and lots of fun.
kaltesherz
11-14-10, 01:28
Wait, you own TWO 5.56 Sig rifles?!?
Oh man now I understand why envy is a sin, 'cause I wish the fleas of a thousand camels to infest your armpits.
My sisters single... just sayin'...
Wait, you own TWO 5.56 Sig rifles?!?
Oh man now I understand why envy is a sin, 'cause I wish the fleas of a thousand camels to infest your armpits.
My sisters single... just sayin'...
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3159/p1003320ej9.jpg
variablebinary
11-14-10, 03:13
Is that a re-barreled 551 SWAT or a factory LB?
Either way, I'm feeling like a hater big time right now
Exactly what SIG USA should have sold on the American Market. They should have released a STANAG mag lower AFTER making a faithful 551 clone
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g377/VariableB/firearmspics/SIG551LB.jpg
They should have released that upper with an stanag lower.
Is that a re-barreled 551 SWAT or a factory LB?
Either way, I'm feeling like a hater big time right now
Exactly what SIG USA should have sold on the American Market. They should have released a STANAG mag lower AFTER making a faithful 551 clone
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g377/VariableB/firearmspics/SIG551LB.jpg
All factory original.
kaltesherz
11-14-10, 12:51
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3159/p1003320ej9.jpg
I KNEW I shouldn't have got out of bed this morning... that's just cruel...
They should have released that upper with an stanag lower.
I think a lot of the feeding problems some 556 owners encounter are due to trying to run a 550 bolt system with a magazine (Stanag) it wasn't originally designed for. You can't simply add a AR magazine well and expect it to work anymore than you can drop an AK design bolt system in a AR rifle and expect it to run.
I think they should have given us an original SIG as an AR alternative (like the HKs, AUGs, FNCs, AKs, etc.) rifle. Instead they pulled a New Coke scenario and not only failed to improve anything, but the resulting "American SIG" actually fell far short of the original.
I wish it were otherwise, I bought a WCA SG551 in the hopes it would be "close enough" and while it had several improvements over the SIG 556 it still left a lot to be desired when compared to the genuine item. I wish it were otherwise, if we had gotten a true domestic 550 series I'd have probably bought a dozen of them.
I think a lot of the feeding problems some 556 owners encounter are due to trying to run a 550 bolt system with a magazine (Stanag) it wasn't originally designed for
Are you saying the 550 and 556 bolt are different? I had not known that.
Are you saying the 550 and 556 bolt are different? I had not known that.
No but the magazine they are mated with are different. And each magazine is going to provide a different presentation to the bolt. And I think that is the source of some feeding problems encountered by some 556 shooters.
Now it is possible the bolt was redesigned on the 556 to be more compatible with an AR magazine but that is just speculation on my part. I haven't looked into it nor have I examined them side by side.
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3159/p1003320ej9.jpg
I was not aware of any 551 LB rifles imported pre89. I was under the impression that all 551 LBs came in as parts kits imported by Larry Gaglio when he owned Capital City Firearms.
Is yours a -1 or a -2? Do you know who imported your rifle and what year?
I was not aware of any 551 LB rifles imported pre89. I was under the impression that all 551 LBs came in as parts kits imported by Larry Gaglio when he owned Capital City Firearms.
Is yours a -1 or a -2? Do you know who imported your rifle and what year?
It is a CCF import receiver and kit build. I meant it was all original in the sense that it doesn't have any aftermarket barrels or things like that. I'm pretty sure it is a -2, I'd have to look.
buckshot27
11-14-10, 17:22
That is a awesome rifle.
It is a CCF import receiver and kit build. I meant it was all original in the sense that it doesn't have any aftermarket barrels or things like that. I'm pretty sure it is a -2, I'd have to look.
Ok, got it. I think all of Larry's kits were -1, 1:10 twist. I've personally had four and they were all -1.
Nice rifle. I still have one of my 551-1LB barrels from these kits, will eventually use it one day.
My 556 is mostly swiss parts, no feeding problems. I think SIG-USA just has no idea how to make a bolt group.
Ok, got it. I think all of Larry's kits were -1, 1:10 twist. I've personally had four and they were all -1.
Nice rifle. I still have one of my 551-1LB barrels from these kits, will eventually use it one day.
Then it would be a -1 because that is the source.
My 556 is mostly swiss parts, no feeding problems. I think SIG-USA just has no idea how to make a bolt group.
Could be that as well. Quality in general seems to have dropped across the board unfortunately. I just remember more than a few folks on Sig Forums having problems with their 556 rifles. And there was a general belief that the redesign to accept AR mags was the culprit.
Gray Ghost
11-20-10, 03:46
It is a CCF import receiver and kit build. I meant it was all original in the sense that it doesn't have any aftermarket barrels or things like that. I'm pretty sure it is a -2, I'd have to look.
Whats the deal with these "kit built" rifles?
How hard is it to track down these parts and how expensive are they?
I know my way around most of the H&K legacy rifles but am totally clueless about the Sig rifles :confused:
But I sure think they're cool :)
Whats the deal with these "kit built" rifles?
How hard is it to track down these parts and how expensive are they?
I know my way around most of the H&K legacy rifles but am totally clueless about the Sig rifles :confused:
But I sure think they're cool :)
Last CCF-imported "repair/replacement" 551-1SP receiver I know of went for close to $4500. That was just about a year ago. Prior to that, the price seemed to hover around $2500-$3k. When Larry (CCF) first imported these, the receivers were something like $750 each. That was around 2000 if my memory serves me correctly.
The receivers seem to be almost unobtanium at this point. I have not seen one change hands in at least a year. Not saying they aren't out there, but I have not seen one in awhile.
I recently saw one of the CCF-imported 551-1SP long barrel (what Steyr AUG has pictured above) parts kits for about $2000 on one of the boards. I think this was about two months ago.
These items are around if you look hard, but unless you find a smoking deal the cost adds up sufficiently that you may as well find a factory pre-89 550.
Last CCF-imported "repair/replacement" 551-1SP receiver I know of went for close to $4500. That was just about a year ago. Prior to that, the price seemed to hover around $2500-$3k. When Larry (CCF) first imported these, the receivers were something like $750 each. That was around 2000 if my memory serves me correctly.
The receivers seem to be almost unobtanium at this point. I have not seen one change hands in at least a year. Not saying they aren't out there, but I have not seen one in awhile.
I recently saw one of the CCF-imported 551-1SP long barrel (what Steyr AUG has pictured above) parts kits for about $2000 on one of the boards. I think this was about two months ago.
These items are around if you look hard, but unless you find a smoking deal the cost adds up sufficiently that you may as well find a factory pre-89 550.
Yep, what Josh said. That party is pretty much over.
Gray Ghost
11-21-10, 04:43
Thanks for the information.
I've been reading the wiki article on the 550, 551, 552 etc. and its making more sense to me now.
great looking weapon. bans are stupid
Is that a re-barreled 551 SWAT or a factory LB?
Either way, I'm feeling like a hater big time right now
Exactly what SIG USA should have sold on the American Market. They should have released a STANAG mag lower AFTER making a faithful 551 clone
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g377/VariableB/firearmspics/SIG551LB.jpg
Rear sight is backwards.
eternal24k
11-26-10, 22:02
you never cease to put me in awe...
Looking forward to a range report
you never cease to put me in awe...
Looking forward to a range report
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