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variablebinary
11-21-10, 18:18
I want a tritium front sight and black rear sights
I was thinking Bowie tactical. Anyone have experience with them, and what height are the factory M&P sights
Anyone else running this config? What brand of sights are you using or recommend
http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/sitebuilder/images/btc_mp_rear1_postcard4-964x645.png
The .230 front sight is equiv to the S&W factory front sight for a fullsize and compact. (.250 for the 5" slide). Difference is they measure the total height, including dovetail, while S&W measures the slide to top of sight height. The rear is equiv to factory.
A plain Warren Tactical rear and a tritium front is a great combo to.
+1 this is the set up I keep on my carry gun....I also have one setup with the 10-8 rear and the tritium front....both of those setups are great....I know folks like GotM4 don't like a serrated rear, so in that case go with the Warren....if you like the serrated rear, go with the 10-8
I wish Ameriglo would make the Hackathorn sights for the M&P...I have that setup on my glocks and really, really like it
A plain Warren Tactical rear and a tritium front is a great combo to.
G34Shooter
11-21-10, 22:34
I run Heinie Ledge's with front tritium only.
I run Heinie Ledge's with front tritium only.
This.
I've tried a few different set ups. Including the Warrens, trit dot front plain black rear, a 10-8, Trijicons, etc.
For me, I've determined the front is way more important than the rear. I dislike white outlines, dots, and all the other so called "fast" sights. I prefer a serrated front with a tritium dot, with no white outline. Heinie, is about the only one with this set up. Its probably what I'll run for the forseeable future, unless I go with Dawson adjustables.
Bob
I have two M&P's with Ameriglo ProGlo fronts and one with a Warren tritium front. All three use 10-8 rear sights. 10-8 now makes a front with only the tritium insert.http://www.10-8performance.com/store/images/0402-2_L.jpg
I think the factory height is .165"...not exactly sure though.
I just picked up a M&P 40 fullsize with DCAEK and RAM, along with the Ameriglo Proglo front sight and plain rear. I love the pistol, it is set up exactly the way I want it, shoots great, and is super accurate. The sights are great for my "aging" eyes.
Do you have any preference for a u-notch versus square notch?
Lately ive become a huge fan of the Warren Sevigny carry sight sets and the huge square notch in the rear makes picking up any size front very easy. Ive also found the definitive edges of the square notch really help me line everything up properly. I understand the concept behind the u-notch but for whatever reason i get alot of vertical stringing due to the imprecise lines. I havent figured this one out since you would think if im lining up the TOPS of the sights like i should be everything would be A-OK however, it is not.
Decide whether you want a u-notch and go from there.
Since you want a tritium front your decision is made a tad easier as front sights only come in certain thicknesses.
I have the Bowie Operators (Amber/Green) on my full size MP45.
The rear dots are barely noticable in the light. I really like these sights.
Ameriglo Proglos....
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4148/5183081883_3b0388c131_z.jpg
Forum member moyler has one M&P with a tritium front and plain black rear (a 10-8, IIRC) and another with a two-dot Warren tritium set. I've shot both and prefer the Warrens, so much so that I plan to get them for all of my M&P's. You might PM him and see if he'd let you shoot them.
G34Shooter
11-22-10, 07:51
Ameriglo Proglos....
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4148/5183081883_3b0388c131_z.jpg
Link where I can buy these? I'm assuming they work for the compact models as well.
Link where I can buy these? I'm assuming they work for the compact models as well.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=AGLO
Not sure on the compact though.
G34Shooter
11-22-10, 08:32
Thank you! I want to try these out.
There were a few guys using the sights on different guns at a recent Vickers class. They are great, I only wish they had the I-dot rear available for M&P's now.
Link where I can buy these? I'm assuming they work for the compact models as well.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=AGLO
Not sure on the compact though.
For 9mm, 40, and 357 M&P's, the full-size and compact models use the same sights. The long-slide Pro and L models use a taller front sight.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=AGLO
Not sure on the compact though.
Thanks for the help. ;)
I personally run the "Hackathorn" Ameriglo front and serrated rear on my M&P 45. Very fast and clean.
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/G&R%20Custom%20builds/M&P_Ameriglo_PRO_GLO.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/G&R%20Custom%20builds/M&P_Ameriglo_Serrated_Rear.jpg
RogerinTPA
11-22-10, 09:43
Anyone using a taller front sight while using the warren rear sight to get POA/POI? Are the warren rear sight the same height as the standard M&P rear sights? I'm still getting a low POI when using the standard .165 front sight with the warrens and thinking of getting a Pro FS instead.
Roger,
Are you using a six o'clock hold?
There were a few guys using the sights on different guns at a recent Vickers class. They are great, I only wish they had the I-dot rear available for M&P's now.
Apparently no one found the wider front sight (.140) a problem making longer shots. The only complaint I have heard about those sights in general were the front sight covering up too much of the target.
Apparently no one found the wider front sight (.140) a problem making longer shots. The only complaint I have heard about those sights in general were the front sight covering up too much of the target.
I was about 40 yards out on a 6" plate and had no issues other than my elevation was unknown with the ammo I was shooting. I was happy enough to rethink the Warrens I have on my other guns.
Apparently no one found the wider front sight (.140) a problem making longer shots. The only complaint I have heard about those sights in general were the front sight covering up too much of the target.
At distance, the larger front sight will cause you some issues on small targets.
Let's be honest though, if you are out past 40yds (in a gun fight) attempting to hit a 6" target, you should have ran away A LONG TIME AGO.
The majority of gun fights are well within 30ft.
C4
I have the AmeriGlo green/yellow "operator" set on an M&P9 full size.
Don't notice anything other than black on the rear sight during daylight. At night, the rear has yellow dots softer than the green dot in the front.
I like them.
I wanted to chime in for the Ameriglo Hackathorn setup on the M&P. I just got 2 sets in today from Grant and I'm thinking these are going to work really well. That orange front jumps out at you. The rear sight is a little wider than factory, which I like, and the front is the same.
I tried to capture an accurate representation of the sight picture for anybody that's interested in these.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c250/truthseeker1106/Gun%20Pics/eb5bcf34.jpg
I wanted to chime in for the Ameriglo Hackathorn setup on the M&P. I just got 2 sets in today from Grant and I'm thinking these are going to work really well. That orange front jumps out at you. The rear sight is a little wider than factory, which I like, and the front is the same.
I tried to capture an accurate representation of the sight picture for anybody that's interested in these.
Did you order those through the Web site? I want to get some ASAP but can't seem to find any.
CaptainDooley
03-10-11, 13:44
Is that rear a wide-notch rear? If not, is there a wide (preferably U) notched rear that works with that front?
Thanks for the help. ;)
I personally run the "Hackathorn" Ameriglo front and serrated rear on my M&P 45. Very fast and clean.
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/G&R%20Custom%20builds/M&P_Ameriglo_PRO_GLO.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/G&R%20Custom%20builds/M&P_Ameriglo_Serrated_Rear.jpg
Is that rear a wide-notch rear? If not, is there a wide (preferably U) notched rear that works with that front?
Don't really know if it is classified as "wide" or not, but it works well with the Pro-Glo front.
I have not tried other rear sights with the PRO-GLO front so I really cannot say what works and what doesn't.
C4
Did you order those through the Web site? I want to get some ASAP but can't seem to find any.
Yep. They should be in stock there.
Yep. They should be in stock there.
Hmm . . . showing out of stock.
Grant, any ETA on more?
Hmm . . . showing out of stock.
Grant, any ETA on more?
Dang...guess I got some just in time. :eek:
I found these to be pretty easy to install, also. They supply the hex wrench needed to remove the screw from the rear sight, and I didn't have any problem getting them to slide right in with a little tapping. My guns may just be friendly, but I didn't have any of the reported problems with getting the front sight out. The new front didn't require any excess bashing that might damage the tritium tube, either.
keysersoze
03-11-11, 04:04
A plain Warren Tactical rear and a tritium front is a great combo to.
This is my setup on my M&P9L as well :)
Thanks for the help. ;)
I personally run the "Hackathorn" Ameriglo front and serrated rear on my M&P 45. Very fast and clean.
C4
Grant - are you expecting these fronts (only) back in stock any time soon?
Hmm . . . showing out of stock.
Grant, any ETA on more?
About a month according to Ameriglo.
C4
Great - thanks.
FWIW, I'd personally love to see a "notify me when in-stock" function on your website if the software would support it...
About a month according to Ameriglo.
C4
Thanks for the info.
Great - thanks.
FWIW, I'd personally love to see a "notify me when in-stock" function on your website if the software would support it...
Hey, there's an app for that. Or, rather, a way to do it. Check here for item notification instructions: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?display=contact
Great - thanks.
FWIW, I'd personally love to see a "notify me when in-stock" function on your website if the software would support it...
There is. It is called send us an e-mail with what you want and we will notify you when it comes back in.
C4
Cool - I missed that! Thanks...
Bowie Tactical
03-12-11, 08:34
Is that rear a wide-notch rear? If not, is there a wide (preferably U) notched rear that works with that front?
My rear sight design is a .165 wide notch the factory is .155 wide. The idea was to give a cleaner view to the front and still have a tight enough notch for longer range when needed. The hackathorn set up Grant shows is the pro glo style front with my Bowie Tactical Concepts serrated rear. I tried in the design to keep the rear sight lines clean and non-desript. After a lot of research of other sight designs i found from shooter input that to many commented on noticing the rear sight's detail too much. it should be a window to look through only not a picture to look at and take note of.
David Bowie
Bowie Tactical
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