DOGFIGHTS: MILITARY CHANNEL

[M4Fundi]

Anyone watching this series? Its really fantastic! They have CGI'd the dogfights so they look almost real and have the actual fighter pilots narrating their dogfight. Best thing I have seen in awhile.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Napolitano versus Reno: Classic.


Way better than the old WWII specials where the same zero rolls over and splashes into the ocean 15 times an hour. Loved the one on Duke Cunningham's fight.

[D. Christopher]

Wait till you see the ones with Robin Olds, Steve Ritchie, or Bud Anderson. Dozens of interviews with some of the greatest Americans, telling their stories in their own words and then having it accurately recreated with CG. I wish they would have made more episodes and captured the stories of more of these heroes before they're gone. Robin Olds and a few others have passed on recently. Every episode is worth watching, and I've watched every episode several times. Never gets old.

[chadbag]

Robin Olds

Wasn't he an ace in both WW2 and Vietnam?

[D. Christopher]

Wasn't he an ace in both WW2 and Vietnam?

Yes he was. 12 kills in WWII and 4 kills in Vietnam to make him a triple ace. He had 5 kills in the P-38 (Including shooting down a Bf-109 while in "glide mode" because he forgot to switch the fuel selector valves after jettisoning his wing tanks as he dove on the enemy.) He transitioned to P-51's and was credited with another 7 air kills (many more unclaimed or uncredited) and nearly 12 aircraft destroyed on the ground. Politics kept him out of Korea but then he was credited with 4 MiG kills while flying the F-4C Phantom II in Vietnam for a total of 16 air kills to his credit, and many more that he didn't take credit for.

The word great doesn't even begin to describe this man.

[SteyrAUG]

Anyone watching this series? Its really fantastic! They have CGI'd the dogfights so they look almost real and have the actual fighter pilots narrating their dogfight. Best thing I have seen in awhile.

Been watching it for awhile now. Really is an excellent show. Wish we had more stuff like this and less Swamp People and Ice Road Truckers.

[chadbag]

The word great doesn't even begin to describe this man.

I have a book I got as part of the military book club (probably in the late 80s -- young, working, single, money to spend) that was all about US Fighter Pilot aces. It basically listed all US aces from the start of aviation to when the book was published and had bios and stories on a lot of the more famous or interesting ones. That is where I first read about him. I had forgotten about him until this thread. I just read the Wikipedia entry on him. Very inspiring (and somewhat of a condemnation of the US military institution that rewards ineptness and playing along and punishes competence and "aggressiveness"). Worth a read.

[M4Fundi]

I have a book I got as part of the military book club (probably in the late 80s -- young, working, single, money to spend) that was all about US Fighter Pilot aces. It basically listed all US aces from the start of aviation to when the book was published and had bios and stories on a lot of the more famous or interesting ones. That is where I first read about him. I had forgotten about him until this thread. I just read the Wikipedia entry on him. Very inspiring (and somewhat of a condemnation of the US military institution that rewards ineptness and playing along and punishes competence and "aggressiveness"). Worth a read.

I'd like to know the title of that book? It should have my uncle in it:D

[Honu]

have to see this for sure tell my dad about it if he does not know ?

he flew F-86 sabres in the korean war and had some stories :)

[D. Christopher]

Chadbag,

If you want a great read, try this one:

ISBN: 978-0-312-56023-2

https://www.m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=6653&stc=1&d=1290498028

Or get the audiobook. 17 Hours of greatness.

[Spurholder]

^ Robin Olds was one helluva fighter pilot.

The whole series is awesome, and I think it's all now available on DVD.

Here's the episode list (from Wikipedia):

Season one
01. MiG Alley (11/03/06): US Air Force aces Robbie Risner and Ralph Parr fly the F-86 Sabre vs. MiG-15 in the Korean War.
02. Air Ambush (11/10/06): US Army Air Force P-38 Lightning vs. Luftwaffe Messerschmitt Bf 109. Also, F4 Phantoms trick MiG-21s into a dogfight by disguising themselves as F-105 Thunderchiefs, natural prey of the MiG-21, in Operation Bolo.
03. Flying Tigers (11/17/06): Flying Tigers squadron; Leading Tiger aces Tex Hill and John R. Alison's P-40 Tomahawk vs. Imperial Japanese Army Air Service Ki-27 "Nates", Ki-21 "Sallys", and Ki-43 "Oscars".
04. Guadalcanal (11/24/06): Guadalcanal campaign aces; Captain John Lucian Smith and Medal of Honor recipients Jefferson J. DeBlanc and James E. Swett pilot the Grumman F4F Wildcat vs. Mitsubishi Zero, F1M "Pete", D3A "Val", and Ki-43 "Oscar".
05. Hell Over Hanoi (12/01/06): American Fred Olmsted and Dan Cherry, and ace Steve Ritchie in USAF F-4 Phantoms vs. North Vietnamese MiG-21s.
06. The Zero Killer (12/08/06): Robert Duncan, Hamilton McWhorter and Alex Vraciu fly the US Navy Grumman F6F Hellcat in battle against Japanese Mitsubishi Zeroes.
07. The Last Gunfighter (12/15/06): US Navy pilots Paul Speer, Phil Wood and Lieutenant Commander Richard Schaffert in the F-8 Crusader vs. North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17.
08. Death of the Japanese Navy (12/29/06): The Leyte Gulf attack on Taffy 3, and the counterattack of destroyers, destroyer escorts and escort carriers against an armored main battle force in the Battle off Samar. Despite lacking suitable armament except for torpedoes, destroyers with carrier air support inflicted enough damage and confusion to send the Japanese force back without it accomplishing its primary goal. The episode also covers Operation Ten-Go, the last major Japanese naval operation in the Pacific campaign of World War II, and the sinking of the Japanese battleship Yamato.
09. Hunt for the Bismarck (1/05/07): The HMS Hood is sunk, then Swordfish biplanes of the British Fleet Air Arm attack the German battleship Bismarck.
10. Long Odds (01/12/07): Showcases survival stories of bomber pilots battling fighter aircraft. US Navy SBD Dauntless vs. A6M Zero; US Army Air Force B-17 Flying Fortress vs. A6M Zeroes & a Ki-46 "Dinah"; US Air Force F-105 Thunderchief vs. North Vietnamese Air Force MiG-17.
11. Dogfights of the Middle East (01/19/07): Israeli Air Force Mirage III vs. Egyptian Air Force MiG-17 & MiG-19 during the Six-Day War; defection of Munir Redfa with an Iraqi Air Force MiG-21; Israeli Air Force F-15 Eagle vs. Syrian Air Force MiG-21.

Season two
01. Kamikaze (7/13/07): Towards the end of World War II, Japan sent volunteer pilots on suicide attacks against American naval targets. Kamikaze attacks covered include those against the escort carrier USS St. Lo on October 25, 1944, and the destroyer USS Laffey on April 15, 1945. Also discussed is the use of Japanese Ohka rocket planes.
02. The Luftwaffe's Deadliest Mission (7/13/07): On April 7, 1945, pilots of the Sonderkommando Elbe ram their own aircraft into incoming American bombers. Note: This episode was first released as "Kamikaze Part II", and is sometimes combined with the previous one and shown as a single, two-hour episode also called "Kamikaze".
03. Jet vs. Jet (7/20/07): In the skies over North Korea, F-86 Sabres battle MiG-15s. American pilots such as James Jabara, Ralph "Hoot" Gibson, and Ralph Parr are in pursuit of a previously unknown achievement — the title of jet ace.
04. Thunderbolt (7/27/07): The rugged P-47 Thunderbolt, or "Jug" as it was known, was the largest single-seat fighter plane of World War II. The episode portrays aerial battles fought by Robert S. Johnson, George Sutcliffe, and Ken Dalhberg against Focke-Wulf Fw-190s and Messerschmitt Bf-109s .
05. Gun Kills of Vietnam (8/3/07): The era of missiles had arrived, and electronic warfare was coming of age. But when technology failed, pilots were forced to fight the old-fashioned way — with guns. Clinton Johnson and Charles Hartman down a MiG-17 with propeller-driven A-1 Skyraiders; Robert Titus and Milan Zimer's F-4 Phantom shoots it out with a gun pod against MiG-21s; Darrell Simmonds and George McKinney's Phantom fights MiG-17s.
06. Desert Aces (8/10/07): Pilots of the Israeli Air Force. The episode covers combat missions flown by Ran Ronen and by "ace of aces" Giora Epstein. Ronen used the French-built Mirage III to engage British-built Hawker Hunters. Epstein flew a Mirage against Egyptian Sukhoi Su-7s in the Six-Day War, and piloted a Nesher against MiG-21s in the Yom Kippur War.
07. The First Dogfighters (8/23/07): Dogfighting was invented by the fighter pilots of World War I. Ernst Udet's Albatros D.III vs. Georges Guynemer's SPAD VII; Werner Voss, flying a Fokker triplane, battles six S.E.5a pilots, including leading aces James McCudden, Arthur Rhys Davids, and Richard Maybery; Arthur Raymond Brooks and his SPAD XIII dogfights with eight Fokker D.VIIs.
08. No Room for Error (8/30/07): Low-altitude dogfights are portrayed. Art Fiedler and his P-51 Mustang in World War II; James H. Kasler and his F-86 Sabre in the Korean War; Robin Olds and Steve Croker in their F-4 Phantom II in the Vietnam War.
09. Night Fighters (9/21/07): The history of dogfighting in darkness is covered. Radar-equipped F6F Hellcats shoot down A6M2 "Rufe"s, and P-61 Black Widows score kills against Messerschmitt Me 410's in World War II. The F3D Skyknight downs a faster MiG-15 in the Korean War. USAF F-15 Eagles and F-117 Nighthawks oppose MiG-29s in Operation Allied Force.
10. The Bloodiest Day (12/03/07): May 10, 1972, was the bloodiest day of air combat during the Vietnam War. American F-4 Phantoms, A-6 Intruders, and A-7 Corsairs fought against North Vietnamese MiG-21s and MiG-19s. The episode includes battles fought by Bob Lodge and Roger Locher and by Charles B. DeBellevue.
11. P-51 Mustang (12/04/07): In the European and Pacific theaters of World War II, the P-51 Mustang became one of the conflict's most successful and recognizable aircraft. The episode The episode portrays aerial battles fought by Donald S. Bryan, Robert Scamara, and Richard Candelaria against German and Japanese aircraft.
12. Dogfights of Desert Storm (12/05/07): An EF-111 Raven is attacked by an Iraqi Mirage F-1 jet and American fighter pilots pit F-15 Eagles against Iraqi MiG-25s and advanced MiG-29s as part of Operation Desert Storm. American aviators James Denton, Brent Brandon, Larry Pitts, Cesar Rodriguez, Craig Underhill, and Tony "Kimo" Schiavi are interviewed.
13. The Tuskegee Airmen (12/06/07): The Tuskegee Airmen were African-American pilots of the 332d Fighter Group. They distinguished themselves as one of the most successful fighter groups of World War II, despite the bigotry and prejudice they faced from their own countrymen. Piloting P-51 Mustangs, they flew many missions protecting American bombers from the German Luftwaffe. The episode includes interviews with pilots Lee Archer, Roscoe Brown, and Charles McGee.
14. MiG Killers of Midway (12/07/07): Recalling Vietnam War battles involving F-4 Phantoms from the USS Midway. This episode portrays dogfights fought by J.C. Smith, Henry "Bart" Bartholomay, Pat Arwood, Mike "Taco" Bell, Ronald "Mugs" McKeown, and John C. "Jack" Ensch.
15. Supersonic (2/29/08): Often in a dogfight, the faster plane is at an advantage. The episode includes aerial combat by James F. "Lou" Luma and his DH.98 Mosquito and Jerry O'Keefe and his F4U Corsair in World War II; Bruce Hinton and his F-86 Sabre in the Korean War; and Phil Handley and his F-4 Phantom in the Vietnam War.
16. Death of the Luftwaffe (3/7/08): The Luftwaffe's last great offensive, called Operation Bodenplatte, occurred on January 1, 1945. Bob Brulle, Sanford K. Moats, Alden Rigby, and Richard Creamer were American pilots of the 352d Fighter Group whose airbase, known as Y-29, was attacked by fighters. After this day, the Luftwaffe was shattered as an effective fighting force.
17. Secret Weapons (3/14/08): Secret weapons of World War II, including German Me 163 Komet rocket-powered fighter planes, Japanese kaiten suicide submarines, and the American remote controlled airplanes of Operation Aphrodite.
18. Dogfights of the Future (5/10/08): Experience five future combat scenarios featuring modern 4.5 and 5th generation designs. First 4 F-22 Raptors engage Mikoyan MiG-29s, Sukhoi Su-30s and Dassault Rafales with the B-1R missile truck. The next scenario involves a group of F-35 Lightning IIs lead by Raptors facing surface to air missiles and later, MiG-35s. Next, Dassault Rafales and F-22s engage an enemy formation with a Boeing 767 modified to carry a laser. Then the F-22 fights with the Russian fifth generation Su-47 Berkut. The show ends with a "dogfight" in low Earth orbit between two scramjets.