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RancidSumo
11-30-10, 21:54
I was running a couple miles today and near the last half to quarter mile I started getting pretty bad pain in the sole of my left foot every time I stepped with it.

I was wearing minimalist shoes (Vibram KSOs). I haven't used them much, only a half dozen times or so, so I'm thinking it probably is something messed up in my form. Any idea what I could be doing to cause this? It made the last couple laps almost impossible to run.

donlapalma
11-30-10, 22:17
Could be plantar fasciitis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantar_fasciitis

seanhagerty
12-01-10, 07:53
Try new shoes and see what happens.

Dos Cylindros
12-01-10, 08:44
You could also be flat foot striking with your left which might cause what you describe. I really suspect it is the vibrams, as I have not bought off on the whole minimalist/barefoot running craze. I cna't see how it would be good for you body to run with minimal or no foot support.

R3V3LATIONS
12-01-10, 08:46
It may be the sole of your shoe coupled with the arch of your foot. Before buying anythings, I would look up local running stores, where an industry professional can take a look at your foot and tell you at least what inserts to buy, stretches to do etc. as opposed to ebaying or going to a general sporting goods store. my .02

Militant83
12-01-10, 10:03
Due to the lack of sole on the vibrams you could have possibly created some sort of stress fracture toward the heel of your foot.

Dos Cylindros
12-01-10, 10:12
Due to the lack of sole on the vibrams you could have possibly created some sort of stress fracture toward the heel of your foot.

My thought as well. I really am a big advocate of supportive shoe with lots of shock absorbing material in the sole. I really think they go along way toward warding off injury during long distance runs. If you are only going a couple of miles a day I don't see it as a huge issue. I know that when I upped my mileage to a minimum of five mile runs, four times a week, I started noticing pains that were not there before. Once I found a shoe that worked well for me, and my body adjusted to the increaced miles, the pain went away.

rdbse
12-01-10, 11:03
I agree that you are experiencing plantar fasciitis and part of problem could be your choice of foot wear.

Try a more supportive shoe. You may not need a full motion control shoe, just something with a little more arch support.

Also, plantar issues vary, but you could start with massaging the area, gentle stretching, ice, anti-inflammatories, and rest.

Naxet1959
12-01-10, 15:48
Rancid- I just switched to the KSO myself. Found an issue with my left foot but on the top of the left insole. I stopped, loosened the velcro strap and it went away. Not scientific but worth a try.

I had been running barefoot and loving it but didn't like the thought of stubbing a toe or stepping on something I hadn't seen. The last 2 runs have been in 18 degree weather and after 4 miles, the toes are aching from cold. I used Injinji wool socks but when the wind blew (single digit wind chill), not fun. So I'm thinking of ways to windblock them... But what a great way to run!

300WM
12-01-10, 16:50
It could be form. They require good form when you use them simply because of the risk of injury. How often do you run? How many miles per run? Have you had this problem before? Do your knees ever bother you from running? What kind of surface do you run on? I know it sounds like a pain, but there is no way to determine what it could be without knowing these things. You could have a bone spur that has manifested itself, or you simply could have bruised the area earlier in the run and it did not start to bother you until later in the run. Plantars Fasciitis is a condition. It does not just show up. If you have this condition, you would almost positively have had symptoms prior to this particular run, unless the condition is just beginning to manifest itself. Rest your foot for a few days and try to avoid carrying heavy objects for long periods. If it is a minor problem, just a couple of days of rest will help, even if you are older. If the problem does not begin to subside after a few days of rest, you should see a professional. I would see a Podiatrist who may in turn recommend you to an Orthopedic Dr. Good luck.

7 RING
12-01-10, 17:12
It may be the sole of your shoe coupled with the arch of your foot. Before buying anythings, I would look up local running stores, where an industry professional can take a look at your foot and tell you at least what inserts to buy, stretches to do etc. as opposed to ebaying or going to a general sporting goods store. my .02

Excellent idea.

RudyN
12-01-10, 17:20
It could be Plantar Fasciitis which is no fun as I have it right now. You might goggle it and check out the symptons to see if they are what you have. So far mine has lasted over three weeks and is finally beginning to get better. Just to warn you, if that is what you have, it can last a while.

m4gery
12-01-10, 18:40
I would go to a running store and get fitted for some good shoes that fit you properly. I would also ask a doctor or other professional before using the minimalist shoes again. I've never tried them or know much about them, but it doesn't seem like it would provide much support or cushioning.

superr.stu
12-01-10, 20:47
I'm going to vote with a) shoes b) inefficiency in form / stride, could also be stress fractures or plantar fasciitis

a) As has been covered already proper shoes can make / break a run and, proper shoes can really only be determined by a combination of you and a person with a background in running and knowing how to break down how you run.

b) the pain is likely caused by your body saying that you are doing something wrong. under / over pronation, heel striking are common issues. Your body over time can learn to self correct this to a degree. Generally the more fit and efficient a runner you are the better form, and foot strike you will have. Until you reach that point you likely will need a shoe to help you along.

All in all it's kind of a hard problem to break down without more information. Specifically where on your foot is the pain, how are you landing in that last 1/2 your run, pace, mileage, fitness level ect...

Far to many people buy into the minimalism thing that aren't capable of running the way that you need to run. They take a pair of vibrams and go plod through 4 miles on a track at 11min mile pace then wonder why they can't walk two days later. People also usually dont realize that they need to ease into minimalism, it can take a couple weeks of rotating regular shoes and minimal shoes for your body to adjust. I personally am guilty of going on 6-10 mile runs with nothing but 6oz racing flats on, but when I do that its at a very up tempo pace that requires running efficiently usually at or under 6min/mile for me. If I'm going to go slower than that I wear my normal running shoes. Point being, don't go running barefoot if your not ready for it both physically and mentally. /rant

Gutshot John
12-01-10, 21:28
Sounds like plantar fasciitis.

Orthotics.

RancidSumo
12-02-10, 00:13
Just to add some more info. The pain did not continue at all and I had no pain as soon as I quit running. It was on the inside edge of the arch of my left foot. It didn't hurt when walking or when running later in the day.

To answer some other questions, it was not a real fast pace, just average I guess. Around 8 minute miles. I'm not in horrible shape but not in the best of shape either, 6'3", ~205.

I know I am not heal striking (I sure as hell felt that when I did it the first time I ran in these shoes), maybe I'm landing too far forward on my foot?

What I do know is that I actually enjoy running for once using these kind of shoes. I ran barefoot some before I got them and it had the same effect but I got sick of rocks in my feet so I went for some shoes. I'm not crazy on the whole toe thing but they are the only minimalist shoes I could find around here.

RancidSumo
12-02-10, 00:14
Rancid- I just switched to the KSO myself. Found an issue with my left foot but on the top of the left insole. I stopped, loosened the velcro strap and it went away. Not scientific but worth a try.

I had been running barefoot and loving it but didn't like the thought of stubbing a toe or stepping on something I hadn't seen. The last 2 runs have been in 18 degree weather and after 4 miles, the toes are aching from cold. I used Injinji wool socks but when the wind blew (single digit wind chill), not fun. So I'm thinking of ways to windblock them... But what a great way to run!

I'll try this, it sounds like exactly what I was having issues with.
Thanks

Naxet1959
12-02-10, 10:20
What surfaces are you running on? I'm mostly on concrete and blacktop but with the KSO's I have been hitting the grass alongside the sidewalks. Its amazing how cushy it feels. So I do that as I'm adapting to these. So far I've only logged 20 miles in them, 883 miles ytd overall. (2 marathons, 2 half marathons this year)

For the record, I'm 5'9, 175 lbs and run usually a 9:30 minute mile. A plodder for sure and I also over pronate.

RancidSumo
12-02-10, 11:18
I was running in a gym.

urbanamish
12-03-10, 08:09
If you're new to the VFF shoes, I would say it's probably just your feet getting built up to running this way. I just switched over to the minimalist shoes, (also the KSO), after completing the Philly marathon two weeks ago. I had been trying to modify my stride to reduce heel strikes while training for the marathon, so I figured it would not be a huge change to switch to the minimalist shoes.

Last night I did a few miles, and I can definitely feel a difference in my feet, they are a bit sore, but feel pretty good. I would really encourage you to just go slow, and see if you can build up your mileage without more pain.

Without sounding disrespectful, I encourage you to NOT go out and buy heavy, cushioned, motion control shoes at this point.... Not saying they are wrong for everybody, (well actually, if I was not polite company, that is exactly what I would say, but, what do I know).

Naxet1959
12-04-10, 18:14
This might b e of some encouragement: http://therunningbarefoot.com/?p=7154#comments

Got 6 miles in today, feeling good....

This might be helpful in you live in a cold weather area:
http://therunningbarefoot.com/?p=7180

tfltackdriver
12-06-10, 13:36
I suggest going to see an orthopedic foot specialist, preferably one who is a runner. Then fork over your hard-earned money so he/she can tell you the same things you've heard here.
I went through this almost exactly a year ago. Dr. was the best around, but couldn't tell if it was plantar faciitis or a stress fracture without doing an expensive bone-density scan. My solution was to stay the heck off my feet for a month and to go get fitted for an appropriate pair of running shoes at a running shoe store afterward. Then I started back with baby steps and built up my mileage carefully and slowly.
Here's the sucky thing: my foot never felt better the whole time I rested it. That little tendon just kept getting tighter and tighter.
Starting back with the baby steps in running, I was also sure to keep that tendon stretched. That was the only thing that helped.
Stand up, keep the good foot flat and roll up on your tippy toes with the problem foot. Feel that tight bugger? Now press down. If that hurts like hell, there's a good chance you have plantar faciitis.

e1harris
12-06-10, 17:06
If you're new to the VFF shoes, I would say it's probably just your feet getting built up to running this way....

....I can definitely feel a difference in my feet, they are a bit sore, but feel pretty good....

....I encourage you to NOT go out and buy heavy, cushioned, motion control shoes at this point.... but, what do I know).


Off Topic, but this is exactly "What's wrong" with the whole barefoot running "click". They give arbitrary advice on what they “believe” is “best” for you. But…. They know absolutely nothing about you.

I say stop giving “medical advice” unless you’re somehow qualified to tell some dude you have never met off of the internet how his “pain” is o.k. to keep running on.

And to answer your question, I’m not sure…. What do you know urbanamish? No disrespect, but it sounds to me like the OP injured himself.

300WM
12-06-10, 20:39
Off Topic, but this is exactly "What's wrong" with the whole barefoot running "click". They give arbitrary advice on what they “believe” is “best” for you. But…. They know absolutely nothing about you.

I say stop giving “medical advice” unless you’re somehow qualified to tell some dude you have never met off of the internet how his “pain” is o.k. to keep running on.

And to answer your question, I’m not sure…. What do you know urbanamish? No disrespect, but it sounds to me like the OP injured himself.

I like how delicately you put this.

I really never understood the fascination with doing this to your body in the first place, but if it works for you, go for it. I will say that Jesus, when he was a physical man, wore sandals that probably had more cushioning effect than these shoes do, and he walked everywhere he went.

urbanamish
12-07-10, 13:10
Off Topic, but this is exactly "What's wrong" with the whole barefoot running "click". They give arbitrary advice on what they “believe” is “best” for you. But…. They know absolutely nothing about you.

I say stop giving “medical advice” unless you’re somehow qualified to tell some dude you have never met off of the internet how his “pain” is o.k. to keep running on.

And to answer your question, I’m not sure…. What do you know urbanamish? No disrespect, but it sounds to me like the OP injured himself.


I don't know much, which is why I humbly posit my opinion, and hopefully the OP can be enriched in some small way by reading my post. (Which, I thought was kind of the point of a forum like this?)

I didn't tell him to keep running through the pain, I just offered my best guess as to what the problem was, and what I have done / would do, in a similar situation.

I do know that there is hard evidence of a few things:

Humans have been running for millennia.

They didn't seem to have a significant problem with getting hurt while running, until the mid to late 20th century, which coincides with the move to wearing cushioned, motion controlled shoes. Is this a cause / effect? I'm not qualified to say so, but there are some smart folks who believe it may be. http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

If 50 - 70% of our forefathers got hurt running, they would have run their way straight out of the gene pool, back before there were things like tools for hunting, and transportation. I think there's ample evidence that we should consider, to see how these men of old ran, and to see if we can learn anything from them.

Back to the topic at hand... my rule of thumb is that if it doesn't get better with two or three days rest / ice, I probably need to see a doctor / therapist, etc. So far, as I've transitioned to minimalist footwear, it's been pretty easy to listen to, and respond to, what my body needed in terms of form correction, rest, mileage, etc.

e1harris
12-07-10, 13:29
I didn't tell him to keep running through the pain....

Um yeah, you did. You told him that his feet would get use to it.



They didn't seem to have a significant problem with getting hurt while running, until the mid to late 20th century, which coincides with the move to wearing cushioned, motion controlled shoes....

Do you really want to know what changed? BMI (body mass index)!!!

According to the CDC 68% of all Americans over 20 years old are "Overweight". Exactly 1/2 of that 68% are considered obese.

Our feet weren't designed to carry that much weight, much less run with it. Thats precisely why "support" is needed.


Do me a favor, promise that in the future you'll be more objective and find out a little bit about the person you are talking to before you give advice that may be detrimental to almost 7 out of 10 Americans.

e1harris
12-07-10, 13:55
American Podiatric Medical Association Position Statement on Barefoot Running http://www.apma.org/MainMenu/News/MediaRoom/PositionStatements/APMA-Position-Statement-on-Barefoot-Running.aspx

Barefoot running has become an increasing trend, and a possible alternative or training adjunct to running with shoes. While anecdotal evidence and testimonials proliferate on the Internet and in the media about the possible health benefits of barefoot running, research has not yet adequately shed light on the immediate and long term effects of this practice.

Barefoot running has been touted as improving strength and balance, while promoting a more natural running style. However, risks of barefoot running include a lack of protection--which may lead to injuries such as puncture wounds--and increased stress on the lower extremities. Currently, inconclusive scientific research has been conducted regarding the benefits and/or risks of barefoot running.

The American Podiatric Medical Association, along with the American Academy of Podiatric Sports Medicine, encourages the public to consult a podiatrist with a strong background in sports medicine to make an informed decision on all aspects of their running and training programs.

300WM
12-08-10, 10:58
Do you really want to know what changed? BMI (body mass index)!!!

According to the CDC 68% of all Americans over 20 years old are "Overweight". Exactly 1/2 of that 68% are considered obese.

Our feet weren't designed to carry that much weight, much less run with it. Thats precisely why "support" is needed.




This along with asphalt, concrete, and hard wood tracks, sidewalks and roadsides. These things did not start showing up until the twentieth century, as well. Not the best things to run on if you want your feet and knee joints to last as long as the rest of you.

dookie1481
12-08-10, 16:31
A. If you're out of shape, don't run. There are plenty of other modes of exercise that work. There are shit-tons of fractures and repetitive-use injuries that happen to kids when they go to boot camp (i.e. stop being couch potatoes).

B. If you have a question about barefoot running or injury prevention I strongly suggest you look for answers somewhere other than a gun forum. Sounds crazy, I know.

C. Science of sport did a massive article series on barefoot/minimalist shoe running. The upshot seems to be that it works well for some people. Also, there doesn't seem to be much benefit to expensive, high-tech, heavily cushioned shoes. One theory is that OVERSTRIDING seems to be a big problem, which is the type of gait that tends to be promoted by heavily cushioned shoes.

D. Above all else, don't go out and start running 2-3 miles at a time when you switch to minimalist shoes.

I suggest you take a week off, and if the pain doesn't subside go see a doctor. If it does, wait another week and then start building up mileage VERY SLOWLY.

dookie1481
12-08-10, 16:34
Do you really want to know what changed? BMI (body mass index)!!!

According to the CDC 68% of all Americans over 20 years old are "Overweight". Exactly 1/2 of that 68% are considered obese.

What the hell does this have to do with running? I don't think there is much overlap in the "running" and "obese" demographics. An increase in running injuries can hardly be attributed to an increase in BMI and obesity in America.

You sound like just as much of a zealot as the barefoot running acolytes.

Jay

300WM
12-10-10, 11:03
What the hell does this have to do with running? I don't think there is much overlap in the "running" and "obese" demographics. An increase in running injuries can hardly be attributed to an increase in BMI and obesity in America.

You sound like just as much of a zealot as the barefoot running acolytes.

Jay

Well, there is actually a higher percentage of injuries with people who are overweight, whether a little or a lot. Obesity is a plague in America right now. There are not enough gym jockies to offset this sadness. I am not a runner, but facts are facts.

tfltackdriver
12-10-10, 12:04
What the hell does this have to do with running? I don't think there is much overlap in the "running" and "obese" demographics. An increase in running injuries can hardly be attributed to an increase in BMI and obesity in America.


Elwrongo... only in my anecdotal experience, though.
I started running competitively in high school in 1994. At that point, even when running against adults in 'opens,' or in your neighborhood 5k, the vast majority were what I still think of as runner types -- 20ish BMI and under.

Then I went to college, discovered the wonders of beer, had a kid and boom. I am at a 27.6 BMI. I run 3-5 miles every other day when I can (I refuse to run when it's 10 outside). So far in the last 12 months I've had plantar faciitis and a stress fracture in my rt distal fibula.

The PF was an overuse injury and likely had nothing to do with weight. The stress fracture would have been a very mild sprained ankle had I not been a lumbering oaf when it happened.

Anyway, I see a lot of technically obese and overweight people like myself participating in 5-10k races now. For the easier courses, I'd say as many as a third of the people are like me. At the most popular community races, the majority of folks are overweight. I think that's a good thing. We still eat like pigs, but I think people are seeing the benefits of exercise.

Caveat: I live in the 8th most obese metro area in the US.

theblackknight
12-19-10, 13:24
This is a sports injury thread. I'm not sure how it turned into a Traditional Fatsoled marshmellow shoes vs. Hippytoes loafers thread but. . . . . . . . ..



http://crossfitwilmington.com/stop-wearing-running-shoes/

http://www.kyledefoor.com/2010/10/running-shoe-modification.html#comments

If your not considering VFF because of their looks, your a idiot.

theblackknight
12-19-10, 13:32
I really suspect it is the vibrams, as I have not bought off on the whole minimalist/barefoot running craze. I cna't see how it would be good for you body to run with minimal or no foot support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z40z1Z6q9N0

RancidSumo
04-20-12, 10:57
I stopped running for quite a while but this week decided it is time to get off my ass after putting on some weight this semester. I no longer have the VFF as I discovered that they were a little too small (the REI person apparently didn't know how they were supposed to fit). I got a new pair of shoes but again went with the minimalist type. I picked up the Merrell Barefoot Run Trail Gloves and like them a lot better since they don't have toes.

Now to the point of reviving this. I had actually forgotten about posting this and forgotten that I had even experienced this pain before until I started searching to see if anyone else had this problem. Tuesday I ran for the first time in a couple of months. About five minutes into my three mile run, my left arch started hurting again. I didn't do a very good job of describing this last time so I'll try to do a better job of it this time around. It felt like the pain the bottom of my foot along the arch was being stretched to the point that it felt like it was being pulled apart.

Anyway, I ran a little gimpy for a couple of minutes to minimize the pain and to see if it would go away and sure enough, it did. After a minute or two, the pain was gone and I ran the remaining miles pain free.

Yesterday I ran again but cut the miles down to two after talking with my brother and having him tell me I probably shouldn't start out like I did. Immediately the pain started up in the same place. I hopped off the treadmill for a second and stretched my foot a little, got back on, ran through the pain for a minute or two, and then it went away just like before and didn't come back.

So now I'm not sure what to do. I looked into plantar fasciitis and where the pain is supposed to be for that is exactly where mine is. However, from my admittedly very limited understanding of it, it is supposed to last after the run, cause pain in the morning, when going up stairs, etc. Mine does none of that and doesn't even last all the way through the run. Could that still be what I'm experiencing?

If I have to, I'll go get some different shoes but I'd rather not. I said it earlier in this thread that I actually enjoy running (a little) with this type of shoe or when barefoot but have always HATED it in traditional running shoes.

Just a couple of other things that came up the first time around. I was running kinda slow (9min miles) on a treadmill. Weight is a bit more than before (~215). I have neither high nor flat arches. I wear shoes with no cushion at all times, not just when running (including shoes with little to no arch support).

If the general consensus is still that I'm experiencing plantar fasciitis I'll quit being so damn stubborn, drive up to Boulder (not today, 4/20 is not a day I want to be in Boulder for), and have a running store fit me for different shoes. It just doesn't seem to me like that is necessarily what it is since it goes away and doesn't come back until the start of the next run.

Vic303
04-20-12, 11:14
You don't have fascitis YET...having suffered real diagnosed PF and been treated for PF a couple times in the past, I can tell you if you had an active case you'd know it when you got up in the morning or after sitting a while!

Looks like you need to ensure you stretch well and warm up properly. Also warm down and stretch properly afterwards. Then consider massage and icing that area a little while after your runs, may help prevent your development of PF.

Here are some sites with recommended stretches for PF.
Livestrong.org (http://www.livestrong.com/article/81973-stretches-plantar-fasciitis/?utm_source=popslideshow&utm_medium=a1)

WebMD (http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/exercises-to-reduce-plantar-fasciitis)

Buzzle.com (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/stretching-exercises-for-plantar-fasciitis.html)

Voodoo_Man
04-20-12, 11:24
I have been running 4-5 times a week @ 3-5 miles for the last 13 or so years. I have literally tried everything, every new sneaker, everything, only a few things really work well and it really depends on your personal ability to run.

As stated in this thread, you need to stretch, before and after. If you can get a heat pack and lay it on your "problem area" for ten minutes prior to stretching and running for the day, do it. Then ice pack it after you run and stretch.

When you change sneakers you will need to get used to them. I have the same pair of Nike running shoes from 10 years back that I keep going back to, they are almost ready to be retired for another pair of the same type.

The #1 issue many people have running is that there are something you can "run through" and somethings you cannot. When you have a pain in your knee, ankle, hip or back, you need to stop running and see if you can "walk it out." If it does not go away in the next day or two, see a doctor and get a scan. Things like cramps on your side you can actually "run through."

edit addition: Also do a good bit of research on the proper way to run. Distance running specifically has a different running style than sprinting or "sport" running in baseball/soccer/etc. You should try to not put any pressure on your heel and lean forward, not back while running.

e1harris
04-20-12, 12:29
WOW! I was in Iraq last time I responded to this thread. Time flies, things change...

And some stay the same. (I see that the last pair of minimalist shoes you tried = pain. And now a new pair = pain)

So last I read, I was called a zealot because I'm anti barefoot running. And by barefoot, I generally mean the whole minimalist shoe movement.

Let me be clear, (and don't take offense, I just speak plainly)...

I'm not against highly trained/skilled athletes subscribing to the mode that works best for them. Who am I to tell a guy that runs 25 miles a week what to wear on his feet?

However, I believe that it is as fact as fact gets... that minimalist running is DANGEROUS for parties involved that are not (how should I say) at the peak of their game.

Minimalist running may be great for trained professionals, but it has reached the definition of "Fad" when normal Joe's think they can sport them without the requisite experience in generalized running.


I'm a former combat medic, and currently a Nurse. I'm not a doctor, and am not qualified to tell you whats wrong with your foot, especially when I can't examine you...

That said, I could tell you several things that can easily lead to the problems you are having.

1. You are doing too much to fast. Check out the Couch to 5k running program (its a no B.S. program to get somebody that has been out of running for a while back up to speed) http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml

2. Never, ever stretch before a run. Stretching cold muscles is a surefire way to damage them. However, the most important thing you could do is warm up first. Whether that be making your 1st 5 minutes a walk or elliptical or something.

3. It does sound like the beginning stages of plantar fasciitis. Believe me, it never goes away. Fact 1= if you have it a tiny bit now you are guaranteed to have it a lot eventually. The only cure is mitigation...

R.I.C.E.S. - Rest Ice Compression Elevation & Splinting


My recommendation for all runners... Go to a real deal running store. Shut Mouth, Open Ears... Them folks know what they're talking about. (however if it looks like a fad, it is a fad. Don't let some douche try to convince you to try out some new fangled unproven technology)


STAY AWAY FROM MINIMALIST RUNNING UNTIL YOU HAVE WORKED TO A GOOD LEVEL, AND TAKE CARE OF THAT FOOT OR IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE!

RancidSumo
04-24-12, 21:03
Well after feeling like my foot was going to be ripped apart on the bottom today and having to switch to an elliptical, I gave up trying and went down to the running store. I've got a pair of Brooks on the way that should be here before my next run. Thanks for the help everybody.

Reagans Rascals
04-24-12, 21:15
I actually just got done soaking my feet in epsom salt not even 15 minutes ago..... so I know exatly what you're talking about

I had tried the KSO's and while running one night I guess I didn't lift my foot enough or w/e for some reason and literally stepped and tripped on my own big toe, essentially almost shattering my toe with my own weight, and then crashing into and sliding on the road.... I only needed a busted toe and road rash once before I threw those pieces of shit in the trash.

I experience the exact same pain in my left foot as well, outer portion of my left sole. Hurts so bad I almost have to stop 15 minutes into the workout... but if I stick with it for 25-30 minutes, it usually tends to numb out or at least come down a few pain levels and allow to me push through with the workout... but it happens every single time... like clock work... its almost a workout of will power every single time I go to the gym because I know how much its going to hurt and that its gonna happen regardless of my workout... elliptical, biking, running...

I am running in New Balance shoes with insoles but I'm guessing they've finally just shit the bed on me, probably time to just get a new pair but I'm in the process of looking for the best bang for the buck and a decent store that can analyse my feet and how I stand/run and hook me up with the best choice...

anthony1
04-25-12, 02:27
I run barefoot on the beach, if l'm on anything other than sand l'm putting on the Asics.

RancidSumo
04-25-12, 16:55
Picked them up today and will be trying them out after class tonight. Even though yesterday when my foot started to hurt I immediately stopped and didn't try to run through it, I've felt some pain in it all day today so I think it was definitely time to get something new.

Hopefully these solve the problem. They are much more shoe than my old ones while still not being like the old traditional sneakers from my middle school days that I hated running in so much.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn285/RancidSumo/photo8.jpg

ETA: Went for a two mile run in them last night and had no foot pain whatsoever. I am also not as sore as I have been after running in my Trail Gloves. They are going to take a little getting used to but I'm glad I quit being an idiot and picked them up. They almost give the feel of a minimalist shoe while still providing a little support and cushion. I think the biggest difference is that they aren't as flexible.

Thanks for the help everybody.