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variablebinary

12-01-10, 01:56

Looks like FN is finally joiing the ultra compact carbine game.

I like it, though, I would rather have a standard SCAR stock instead of the HK type stype.

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/ema/sitta/ausa-2010/fn-scar-pdw/943048-1-fre-FR/fn-scar-pdw_article_pleine_colonne.jpg

Here is the translated text and linky

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/sitta/a-la-une/ausa-2010-article

The FN SCAR Personnal Defense Weapon (PDW) is the latest range of SCAR . Compact and lightweight, it is for gunners of crew served weapons, drivers, crew armor, etc.. The SCAR PDW is chambered for the cartridge 5.56 x 45 mm NATO, but its performance is increased when employing the new cartridge M 855 A1 .

FN SCAR PDW

The SCAR PDW was presented for the first time at AUSA 2010. He had a short barrel, ending with a cover open flame. Lacrosse SCAR has been replaced by a retractable stock along the body of the weapon. The top of the chamber is provided with a fastening rail picatinny type for mounting sighting systems. It also has rails on both sides of the handguard and under was.

Because of its short length of the weapon and its firepower, it can be used by bodyguards. At the lower end of a protrusion was allows a good positioning of the hand. Control devices are type ambidextrous.

Gray Ghost

12-01-10, 02:38

WOW cool :)

Magic_Salad0892

12-01-10, 05:52

Hm.

Not bad.

Throw on some KAC sights, maybe an HK height T1, and mount; and you have a great to go PDW option.

...Until/if the KAC PDW ever comes out.

TOrrock

12-01-10, 06:59

The Dumb Gun Collector

12-01-10, 07:47

I'll take one please.

Boss Hogg

12-01-10, 07:50

One thing that has always concerned me about the SCAR (and ACR) is the strength of the side-folding stock mechanism.

Neat PDW.

genegoesfast

12-01-10, 09:26

Love the idea of that. Probably going to be very difficult to obtain.

buddyhoohaw

12-01-10, 09:29

Vitor

12-01-10, 11:47

It is very cool. I got to play with one a couple years ago, but was asked to not discuss it.

The reason for the HK style stock is an attempt to keep it as slim as possible for storage in confined spaces.

Now I think you can discuss it. :D

Well, since the SCAR has one of most smooth and well regulared gas system, I consider ideal for a PDW version.

Now chamber it in the 7.62x35 BLK for pure awesomeness. :laugh:

Buck

12-01-10, 12:02

Can anyone discern what muzzle device is being used?

Cheers

The one I saw had the FN type combo device as used on the FAL, SAW, micro Galil, etc...

B

kal

12-01-10, 12:22

barrel seems to be really short for any intermediate cartridge. What's the length?

Vitor

12-01-10, 12:44

barrel seems to be really short for any intermediate cartridge. What's the length?

Wait, as far I know cartridge like the 6.8mm SPC and the 7.62 BLK are quite good from shorter barrels since they don't rely so much in speed like the 5.56mm, instead relying more on their mass and quick burn powder.

ACC claim that BLK has more muzzle energy from 9" barrel than the M855 has from a 16"

kal

12-01-10, 12:58

Wait, as far I know cartridge like the 6.8mm SPC and the 7.62 BLK are quite good from shorter barrels since they don't rely so much in speed like the 5.56mm, instead relying more on their mass and quick burn powder.

ACC claim that BLK has more muzzle energy from 9" barrel than the M855 has from a 16"

I'm thinking more about the consequences of having significantly increased muzzle blast and flash.

Vitor

12-01-10, 19:50

I'm thinking more about the consequences of having significantly increased muzzle blast and flash.

If a cartridge is designed to perform well from a short barrel, it means its powder burns rather fast and muzzle blast is reduced.

The 7.62 BLK has a 35mm case, there cant be much enough powder inside it to give it a muzzle blast any bigger than the 45mm case of the 5.56mm.

Robb Jensen

12-01-10, 20:11

kal

12-01-10, 20:29

What's the grey bar behind the ejection port?

Robb Jensen

12-01-10, 20:46

What's the grey bar behind the ejection port?

It's on both sides of the receiver. It's for the MP5 style collapsible type stock that I didn't get to use.

I shot a 238 of 250 possible that day on the qualification course using Lake City M855. The agents were using the SCAR 17 .308 with Rem 168gr MATCH. I had the 2nd highest score. They agent who beat me was using a SCAR 17 with Rem 168gr MATCH and an ACOG (all the other agents had Aimpoint M4s'). I had an Aimpoint T1 in a tall LaRue mount.

ChicagoTex

12-01-10, 21:35

My only complaint with this would be the atrocious ballistics of a 5.56x45 in a barrel that short, switch to a more SBR friendly round (like the 6.8 SPC) and I think it's an obvious winner.

Hell, even offering a 9mm variant could be really interesting, it'd be like an MP5 that would share parts and manual of arms with the SCAR rifles.

bradb55

12-01-10, 21:38

I've got to do and see a lot of "Kool" things in my travels, but never got to shoot new weapons. I really want to hang out with guys. Yal are always shooting badass weapons. I'm jealous as hell.

Brad

scottryan

12-01-10, 21:43

Where are the 18", 14", and 10" barrels for my SCAR?

Clint

12-01-10, 22:05

I'm thinking more about the consequences of having significantly increased muzzle blast and flash.

A larger caliber should help with all aspects.

For a good indication of short bbl performance,

look at the ratio of case capacity to bore area.

6.8x43 is quite good with this, 300BLK/7.63x39 are even better.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, pistol cartridges rate even higher.

snackgunner

12-01-10, 22:10

this looks freaking awesome

hopefully they are available soon

infidelprodigy

12-01-10, 22:18

Definitely looks like FN is trying all out to land large-scale .mil contracts. This looks like the FN version of what the AKSU-74 did for the russian military.

I think a 6.8 or 300 blackout chambering would maximize performance out of that short of barrel, but hard data on this barrel with eiether the M855A1 or MK318 Mod 0 aren't established, which I will be interested in seeing what these new rounds can go in this type of package.

Tagged fo further info......

OTO27

12-01-10, 23:48

Couldnt you theoretically chop down the barrel of a SCAR 16, change the stock, and yuo get the same thing? Or did I miss something?

Jaws

12-01-10, 23:55

Couldnt you theoretically chop down the barrel of a SCAR 16, change the stock, and yuo get the same thing? Or did I miss something?

The receiver looks quite a bit shorter.

ChicagoTex

12-02-10, 00:07

Couldnt you theoretically chop down the barrel of a SCAR 16, change the stock, and yuo get the same thing? Or did I miss something?

The receiver looks quite a bit shorter.

Plus, piston or not, I'd be willing to bet the gas system requires some revision to run reliably with this drastic a chop.

kal

12-02-10, 00:17

Plus, piston or not, I'd be willing to bet the gas system requires some revision to run reliably with this drastic a chop.

probably a smaller gas port diameter that is also chromed to prevent or reduce gas port erosion.

Magic_Salad0892

12-02-10, 06:40

It shoots amazing soft and very controllable in full-auto in 5.56mm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/SCAR%20PDW/SCARPDW3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/SCAR%20PDW/SCARPDW5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/SCAR%20PDW/SCARPDW2.jpg

How many shots per burst did you do? 3 or 5?

Would you think that a suppressor is mandatory for this type of gun?

How was the blast?

I has so many questionz.

variablebinary

12-02-10, 06:46

Couldnt you theoretically chop down the barrel of a SCAR 16, change the stock, and yuo get the same thing? Or did I miss something?

Smaller than a CQC SCAR from the looks of it.

Stephen_H

12-02-10, 07:03

Smaller than a CQC SCAR from the looks of it.

I agree. It looks as though you would have to shorten the length of the "arm" on the BCG.

I want one!!!

Stephen

TOrrock

12-02-10, 07:08

How many shots per burst did you do? 3 or 5?

Would you think that a suppressor is mandatory for this type of gun?

How was the blast?

I has so many questionz.

A suppressor is a good thing to have, but you can get by without it.

The SCAR-PDW is a smoother shooting weapon vs. an AKSU-74 "Krink", and the HK G36C is fairly close in recoil management.

All of the above are very blasty.

Robb Jensen

12-02-10, 09:24

How many shots per burst did you do? 3 or 5?

Would you think that a suppressor is mandatory for this type of gun?

How was the blast?

I has so many questionz.

Just 2 rounds each time I accidentally swung the selector past semi. I felt what was going on and just let off the trigger. Still got both hits each time. It's a bit blasty but no worse than a normal Mk18 with an A2 flash hider. A suppressor would be nice. I can't remember what the barrel length was. I want to say 7.5" or 8.5" IIRC the cyclic rate on auto was 750rpm.

C4IGrant

12-02-10, 15:59

I contacted FN and they said that we (Civy's) could possibly see this thing by 2012.

C4

patriot_man

12-02-10, 16:11

Doesn't look as bad with that SCAR stock.

devildogljb

12-02-10, 18:01

It shoots amazing soft and very controllable in full-auto in 5.56mm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/SCAR%20PDW/SCARPDW3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/SCAR%20PDW/SCARPDW5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/SCAR%20PDW/SCARPDW2.jpg

nice, def like the standard stock over the OP's wish i could afford one lol

scottryan

12-02-10, 18:53

I contacted FN and they said that we (Civy's) could possibly see this thing by 2012.

C4

How is that going to be when I don't have an SBR barrel for my regular SCAR?

C4IGrant

12-02-10, 19:05

How is that going to be when I don't have an SBR barrel for my regular SCAR?

That should happen in 2011.

It takes FNH about a year per idea to make it happen. :sarcastic:

C4

Moose-Knuckle

12-02-10, 20:00

Too cool for school. :cool:

Magic_Salad0892

12-03-10, 06:53

I like this idea, but I'd rather have a 10.5'' standard SCAR.

What would the extra 1.5-2'' off of the barrel REALLY give me?

Goodbye suppressor warranty.

Thanks for answering Templar, and Robb.

Templar, when you fondled it did you shoot it?

Would you say the recoil management is like the G36C because the operating system is virtually the same? Or because of ergonomics?

Mall_Ninja

04-11-14, 18:13

Necro time!

Apparently FN's time line is a bit off calibration?

teutonicpolymer

04-11-14, 23:27

Hell, I would love one of these with the folding stock

probability of FN doing this is probably close to 0 though

Mall_Ninja

04-12-14, 16:22

If they would pull their head out their six and make a 300 Blk SBR they would sell a shitload...