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Militant83
12-02-10, 19:56
http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.6.1_AMCS.php

Anyone used the JP advanced modular chassis? If you have or are currently using this please post reviews and pics. Thanks in advance.

Alpha Sierra
12-03-10, 20:44
This is better:

http://www.competitionshootingstuff.com/id12.html

Thomas M-4
12-03-10, 20:59
Looks like the Tac Mod http://tacmodstock.com/

Militant83
12-03-10, 21:00
Alpha thats the first ive seen that. I like it, Im thinking after this current AR build. That I need a bolt gun in my collection. Just wanted too do something different from the mcmillians, HS and AICS stocks like a lot of other people tend to use.

Where is Troy by the way im down in ashville around columbus.

Alpha Sierra
12-04-10, 07:56
Alpha thats the first ive seen that. I like it, Im thinking after this current AR build. That I need a bolt gun in my collection. Just wanted too do something different from the mcmillians, HS and AICS stocks like a lot of other people tend to use.

Where is Troy by the way im down in ashville around columbus.

The tubegun concept came as a way to get common actions into an architecture that would mimic that of the McMillan-built TUBB2000 highpower match rifle. The key features of that rifle (which is NOT a tube gun or an AR converted into a bolt gun) are a bolt that is free to cycle back into the stock extension, a circular, free floated handguard, and no bedding between action and stock.

It was a radical departure in bolt action rifle design and IMO THE way to design a bolt gun.

TUBB2000:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Tubb_2000_rifle_at_NFM.jpg/800px-Tubb_2000_rifle_at_NFM.jpg

OBTW, Troy is about 10 miles north of Dayton on I-75.

Militant83
12-04-10, 09:34
The tubegun concept came as a way to get common actions into an architecture that would mimic that of the McMillan-built TUBB2000 highpower match rifle. The key features of that rifle (which is NOT a tube gun or an AR converted into a bolt gun) are a bolt that is free to cycle back into the stock extension, a circular, free floated handguard, and no bedding between action and stock.

It was a radical departure in bolt action rifle design and IMO THE way to design a bolt gun.

TUBB2000:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Tubb_2000_rifle_at_NFM.jpg/800px-Tubb_2000_rifle_at_NFM.jpg

OBTW, Troy is about 10 miles north of Dayton on I-75.


This set up looks more like a competition set up. Is it practical in a tactical setup?

Robb Jensen
12-04-10, 10:58
They came out with this about 2 months AFTER I bought my Accuracy International 2.0......bastiges! :eek:

Alpha Sierra
12-04-10, 12:52
This set up looks more like a competition set up. Is it practical in a tactical setup?

Yes. Take off the iron sights (they are easily removable), slap a scope on the Picatinny rail. Remove the sling hand stop from the slot under the handguard and slide on a bipod spud base. Attach bipod to spud. Done.

In addition to that, McMillan makes the TUBB2000 in a tactical configuration right from the start, the TBB Spec-Tac LR

http://www.davidtubb.com/tcom_images/t2k_images/spectac_full_1000.jpg

Militant83
12-04-10, 15:18
Now thats a pretty sweet looking set up. Id like to see a comparison between that, the remington rtm and the chassis from JP.

Alpha Sierra
12-04-10, 18:31
Now thats a pretty sweet looking set up. Id like to see a comparison between that, the remington rtm and the chassis from JP.

The TUBB2000 has been the dominant rifle winning more NRA Highpower Rifle and NRA Long Range Rifle championships than any other rifle since its introduction in 2000.

Tactical shooters might want to learn something from competitive bullseye shooters instead of trying to re-invent the wheel and still coming up short.

Militant83
12-04-10, 19:27
The TUBB2000 has been the dominant rifle winning more NRA Highpower Rifle and NRA Long Range Rifle championships than any other rifle since its introduction in 2000.

Tactical shooters might want to learn something from competitive bullseye shooters instead of trying to re-invent the wheel and still coming up short.

I couldn't find just the chassis on mcmillans site to try to find a price on it all I could find with it was a complete rifle for $5000..

I do like the Remington RTS chassis though and its price is comparable to the AICS, JAE, and JP systems. At about just over$1000

Alpha Sierra
12-04-10, 19:34
I couldn't find just the chassis on mcmillans site to try to find a price on it all I could find with it was a complete rifle for $5000..
I don't think I explained myself well at first.

The TUBB2000 is not a "chassis" in which you drop someone else's action. It is its own action and rifle. There is no "tube" in which the action rides. The receiver (not a tube with a receiver in it) is what the barrel, handguard tube, buttstock, scope rail, and trigger/magazine housing attach to.

If you want a chassis system to put your action in, the Eliseo tubegun chassis (see my first post) is far superior to anything else out there that just mimics a conventional stock except made of aluminum. IMO, it is better than even the AICS.

Watch this video and see how the shooter has no need to lift his head when working the bolt because the bolt slides INSIDE the stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7nkHAGDL8

Militant83
12-04-10, 20:44
I don't think I explained myself well at first.

The TUBB2000 is not a "chassis" in which you drop someone else's action. It is its own action and rifle. There is no "tube" in which the action rides. The receiver (not a tube with a receiver in it) is what the barrel, handguard tube, buttstock, scope rail, and trigger/magazine housing attach to.

If you want a chassis system to put your action in, the Eliseo tubegun chassis (see my first post) is far superior to anything else out there that just mimics a conventional stock except made of aluminum. IMO, it is better than even the AICS.

Watch this video and see how the shooter has no need to lift his head when working the bolt because the bolt slides INSIDE the stock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7nkHAGDL8

Gottcha on the Tubb...but yes a chassis system is what im looking for and the first link you had showed me of the remington RTM made bu Eliseo, The make the RTS as well just the short action version.
Thanks for all this information..I was wantiong to do something different from everyones standard version of the LR rifle.

FromMyColdDeadHand
12-05-10, 01:54
The tubegun concept came as a way to get common actions into an architecture that would mimic that of the McMillan-built TUBB2000 highpower match rifle. The key features of that rifle (which is NOT a tube gun or an AR converted into a bolt gun) are a bolt that is free to cycle back into the stock extension, a circular, free floated handguard, and no bedding between action and stock.

It was a radical departure in bolt action rifle design and IMO THE way to design a bolt gun.

TUBB2000:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Tubb_2000_rifle_at_NFM.jpg/800px-Tubb_2000_rifle_at_NFM.jpg

OBTW, Troy is about 10 miles north of Dayton on I-75.


$5000 and 4-5 month wait!!!! Makes GAP look cheap and fast.

Is 6XC still the go-to round for gamers?

gunnut284
12-05-10, 06:01
I haven't shot with the JP chassis but I've handled it and it was impressive. Solid feel but not quite as heavy as some of the other chassis. The folder lockup was tight and the PRS stock was a good match. The round forend was a nice feature too.

Alpha Sierra
12-05-10, 07:07
$5000 and 4-5 month wait!!!! Makes GAP look cheap and fast.

Is 6XC still the go-to round for gamers?

You can build a tubegun for about $2K less including sights. But the TUBB is a sweet rifle.......

The 6XC is no longer the king of the hill for bolt guns in NRA HP. The 6.5 Creedmoor 6mm Competition Match, and the 6.5x47 Lapua have gained ground and the 260 Remington is as good as it ever was.

None of them are "gamer" cartridges. They will all drop whatever needs to be dropped at any sane distance and will do so with less recoil, drop, and drift than the 308.

Atticus_1354
12-07-10, 14:15
This is better:

http://www.competitionshootingstuff.com/id12.html

So does a 700 just bolt in to this chassis with no modifications?

Alpha Sierra
12-07-10, 16:05
So does a 700 just bolt in to this chassis with no modifications?

In short, no. The stock recoil lug needs to be replaced with a disk that sandwiches between the barrel and action. That disk serves as the positive locator of the barreled action inside the sleeve.

Read all about it (http://www.competitionshootingstuff.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/rts_rtm_instructions.pdf)

Atticus_1354
12-07-10, 17:01
Thanks for the link. I am glad my bolt rifle is a long term project so that I have time to sort through all the options.

Wicked
12-16-10, 21:32
http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae149/WickedWeapons/csr1-upclosefull.jpg

At 'only' $3500, I've always thought I'd go with the Creedmoor CSR-1. John Whidden builds these from all the very best stuff: John Pierce action, 28” Broughton barrel, Gary Elesio Stock, Extreme Trigger, ect. Way cheaper than a Tubb gun and it isn't missing anything. It would make an excellent long range tactical rifle with a few minor mods. Comes in lefty versions too!

http://creedmoorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=889456&cat=270&page=1

Sgt_Gold
12-19-10, 20:40
An alternative to the Tubb 2000 and other bolt gun systems is the tube gun, at http://www.tubegun.net/. I've seen a few of these on the firing line at HP matches, and they work.

crossgun
12-20-10, 06:16
What’s wrong with fiberglass from McMillan and or Manners? Why be different? Most bench rest shooters use fiberglass stocks. What do you hope to gain and how do you intend to use the rig? I wouldn’t field that type of stock from my experience.

I have shot behind the XLR http://www.xlrindustries.com/ and found it very awkward and kind of clumsy. Those types of stocks with the PRS on them never seem to allow enough cheek height and proper weld especially with bolt guns. I hate the rounded tube type forends as well. They suck for barricade/ multi position shooting because they like to roll. If you want a stock that allows you mount a bunch of AR stuff and looks like an AR then get an AR. I just don’t see how they make a good tactical/sniper style stock.

While the $1100 may seem high guess it's not really when you consider a good adjustable fiberglass stock with bottom metal and bedding will cost you about the same if not more.

If you’re looking for a chassis system like that found in the AICS you might want to consider a Manners fiberglass stock with their new aluminum chassis installed. I have one and really like it. Eliminates the need to bed the action and allows you to easily switch between same action types. http://www.mannersstocks.com/mcs-dbm.html

Another option or stock for you to consider might be a Mcree TMAG
http://mcreesprecision.net/sp_pr_t.htm
I think it has everything you might be looking for plus it will save you some bucks. Totally adjustable, all aluminum stock with machined bedding area, detachable mag system all battle proven and fielded. I recently bought one to have so I could try it and have an extra stock that would allow me to bolt in any of my Rem 700 barreled actions. As pictured below you will have about $750 in it.

http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww150/copperfield8910/DSCF0949.jpg

For the money and features it’s a great stock. I personally prefer the fiberglass stocks but have to tell you the Mcree is very comfortable to be behind. I have McMillan A3s A4s and A5s, Manners T5A, KMW Sentinel and had an AICS, which I loved to hate, and the Mcree does everything they do and a little more for a lot less.

I would be glad to let you get behind any of my sticks anytime. You know what they say, "try before you buy"!

Alpha Sierra
12-20-10, 10:45
Crossgun, just curious....

Have you ever shot a rifle in a tube stock, or a TUBB2000?

crossgun
12-21-10, 07:15
Alpha, No sir never been behind a "true" tube gun. Just the JP and XLR drop in style.

I do know they are very popular at F Class type shoots. In most cases the action is epoxied into the receiver block correct?

Do you have one you wish to let me try?

Alpha Sierra
12-21-10, 07:47
I do know they are very popular at F Class type shoots. In most cases the action is epoxied into the receiver block correct?
Depending on which action and who makes the tubegun kit, the action is either epoxied in or held in place by a disk that replaces the recoil lug.

While the stock was initially designed for shooting from positions with a sling, if you look around you will see that some practical shooters are also using them to good effect. While these stocks were not designed for F class use, there are flat bottomed adapters available to let the round forearm ride the front bag like a flat bottomed stock.


Do you have one you wish to let me try?

Unfortunately, no. My experience with them comes from shooting a friend's rifle from the prone position using a sling.

While you make a valid point re: the rounded forearm and how it behaves when rested against a solid object, I think simply using your left hand to cradle the rifle on the barrier should fix the issue.