View Full Version : Treason at Ft. Bragg
parishioner
12-05-10, 19:01
Bryan Martin, who is enlisted in the Navy, and assigned to the Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg has been caught trying to sell Top Secret information to undercover FBI agents posing as Chinese operatives.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7824694
A swift hanging would suffice.
Damn thats messed up!
But if found guilty a swift hanging indeed.
Sell out for $3,500 wtf, okay I could see temptation for some when you're in the 7 figures, but what the **** can $3.5k do for you? By a bitchin scooter?
Whootsinator
12-05-10, 19:19
Beyond disgusting. A hanging is too humane.
Complication
12-05-10, 19:28
What makes it worse is this wasn't a one-time "need to pay the mortgage" thing but a "hey, this could net me a ton of money over a long period of time."
Hanging's don't sit well with me but I've got no problem with firing squads.
they just need to handcuff him to a pole where others can come past and pay their respects to him any way they see fit !!! as long as they dont kill him let this go on for a week then just throw him in a dump some where handcuffed and shackled and hog tied for good measure let the seagulls have em
Wow...$3.5K and seeking long term financial reimburstment, hope it was worth it :rolleyes:
Bryan Martin, who is enlisted in the Navy, and assigned to the Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg has been caught trying to sell Top Secret information to FBI agents.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7824694
A swift hanging would suffice.
To bad they didn't list the guys Rate. My guess is that he is either an IS (intelligence specialist) or a CT (cryptologic technician). Both rates have easy access to TS/SCI info (more so for the CT).
Speaking of leaks from the Military, this whole Wikileaks thing makes me laugh. The comments I hear from news organizations (ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX) concerning how the USA guy got access to this "sensitive" information is just silly. The Army guy stole unclassified NOFORN, confidential and secret info. This info is so easy to suck off the SIPRNET that I am shocked that this type of thing doesn't happen all the time.
My wife was a Naval IS and I was a CT. Both of our Fathers basically told us that they would kill us (personally) if we ever betrayed our Country. IMHO, we need more public hangings. Nothing says "Don't F*cking do that" like a public execution.
C4
Agreed, one swift simple example would do a disproportionate amount of good.
It's not like SIPR isn't constantly compromised, but the motivation is really more irksome than the leaks to a degree.
Can't these kncuklebutts see how this damages our nation? Don't they realize how they place our brothers & sisters in arms in jeopardy?
GAH! I don't get it!
RogerinTPA
12-05-10, 20:38
He should be hung, along with the wikileaks PFC.
D. Christopher
12-05-10, 20:50
Martin is an IS3. Make an example of him and Manning or the floodgates will open.
Martin is an IS3. Make an example of him and Manning or the floodgates will open.
As I figured.
C4
SeriousStudent
12-05-10, 21:12
When I think of how many Sailors have died to protect classified information, this makes me even more depressed. :(
I hope the court-martial board and the military judge observe every one of his rights, and dot every i, cross every t. I do not want this one escaping on a technicality.
He does not even have to leave Bragg after the trial. Send him over to SOTIC and make him the grand prize for the honor grad.
Belmont31R
12-05-10, 21:18
I held a secret, and worked with SIPR....I was actually the guy hooking it up in field conditions...
Anyways curious how anyone with a clearance can access ALL of this information, and not on a "need to know" basis. Ive been on SIPR a few times but why would ALL of this information be available to anyone with access?
Seems like an easy thing for this type of shit to happen if anyone on SIPR can get access to everything.
Thumbs up to the FBI for nailing this guy.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-05-10, 22:37
Bryan Martin, who is enlisted in the Navy, and assigned to the Joint Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg has been caught trying to sell Top Secret information to FBI agents.
Why does the FBI want to buy Top Secret information?
:blink:
Whootsinator
12-05-10, 22:42
Why does the FBI want to buy Top Secret information?
:blink:
This is exactly what I thought, and I almost posted exactly what you did, but decided I should probably read the whole article before doing so...
Read the article and you will see that he attempted to sell the information to an undercover FBI agent pretending to be buying the information for the Chinese.
Anyways curious how anyone with a clearance can access ALL of this information, and not on a "need to know" basis. Ive been on SIPR a few times but why would ALL of this information be available to anyone with access?
Seems like an easy thing for this type of shit to happen if anyone on SIPR can get access to everything.
What I have read in news articles on the subject is that since 9/11 we have much more of our information placed in more centralized repositories for data that can be accessed by many agencies since the lack of anyone having all the pieces to the puzzle was one of the things that allowed 9/11 to happen.
Now people are saying we over did it and need to start segregating the data to a greater extent again, but it seems like these leaks are coming from very low level people, maybe they just need to tighten up access to these treasure troves of goodies and hang those who betray us like this?
Why does the FBI want to buy Top Secret information?
FBI is responsible for domestic counterintelligence no? So they setup a fake buy and get the badguy.
Martin is an IS3. Make an example of him and Manning or the floodgates will open.
No idea what an IS3 is, but I agree that people are entirely too casual in committing treason these days.
Wow...$3.5K and seeking long term financial reimburstment, hope it was worth it :rolleyes:
No kidding.
They should stick these guys out in the cold in some area with regular activity so they can be the poor ****s who depend upon others to watch their backs and not sell them out.
variablebinary
12-06-10, 02:39
Firing squad. That should be the price of treason.
I agree with VB. Give them a fair and speedy trial. If they're found guilty firing squad.
While I agree with the sentiment of everyone involved, and would gladly volunteer to pull the lever/or be on the firing squad, I am sure he will make some deal and spend all of 12 months in jail. :bad:
To bad they didn't list the guys Rate. My guess is that he is either an IS (intelligence specialist) or a CT (cryptologic technician). Both rates have easy access to TS/SCI info (more so for the CT).
Speaking of leaks from the Military, this whole Wikileaks thing makes me laugh. The comments I hear from news organizations (ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX) concerning how the USA guy got access to this "sensitive" information is just silly. The Army guy stole unclassified NOFORN, confidential and secret info. This info is so easy to suck off the SIPRNET that I am shocked that this type of thing doesn't happen all the time.
My wife was a Naval IS and I was a CT. Both of our Fathers basically told us that they would kill us (personally) if we ever betrayed our Country. IMHO, we need more public hangings. Nothing says "Don't F*cking do that" like a public execution.
C4
My primary was Communications Intercept(98G) and CT(98C) as a secondary MOS. It's amazing that they have tried to pin all of this Wikileaks stuff on a PFC. There is no way possible this kid would have access to all of this info. MAYBE some of the stuff he had access to concerning Iraq but no the Afghanistan or State Dept. cables. I spent time at Field Station Berlin just before the wall came down and everything we did was very compartmentalized. If we did anything out of the ordinary we would have been questioned or caught very quickly. I just don't see how he had access to that info and then could have downloaded it and sent it out. I would think that it would have been stopped very quickly.
As far as what has happened here at Bragg the guy needs to be hung, drawn and quartered!!
RogerinTPA
12-06-10, 07:40
Why does the FBI want to buy Top Secret information?
:blink:
Counter Intelligence is a FBI mission. They deal with spies.
Spurholder
12-06-10, 08:42
My primary was Communications Intercept(98G) and CT(98C) as a secondary MOS. It's amazing that they have tried to pin all of this Wikileaks stuff on a PFC. There is no way possible this kid would have access to all of this info. MAYBE some of the stuff he had access to concerning Iraq but no the Afghanistan or State Dept. cables. I spent time at Field Station Berlin just before the wall came down and everything we did was very compartmentalized. If we did anything out of the ordinary we would have been questioned or caught very quickly. I just don't see how he had access to that info and then could have downloaded it and sent it out. I would think that it would have been stopped very quickly.
As far as what has happened here at Bragg the guy needs to be hung, drawn and quartered!!
Are you familiar with SIPRnet?
GermanSynergy
12-06-10, 09:58
I agree with you guys- make a very harsh example out of Manning and this dirtbag or it will keep happening.
I've worked with some intel types. Some good folks, but some are far left wing types that should be watched like a hawk.
I held a secret, and worked with SIPR....I was actually the guy hooking it up in field conditions...
Anyways curious how anyone with a clearance can access ALL of this information, and not on a "need to know" basis. Ive been on SIPR a few times but why would ALL of this information be available to anyone with access?
Seems like an easy thing for this type of shit to happen if anyone on SIPR can get access to everything.
Generally speaking, if you know what websites to go to (on the SPRNET) you could have gotten all the info that was leaked on wikileaks.
The SPRNET really isn't compartmentalized like TS is. Meaning, that info classified TS has compartments in it. This was established after CWO Walker sold all those secrets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker)
Before the Walker thing, you could see all TS info that was out there. Meaning that if you were working a project in Europe, you could see what was going on in Africa (for instance). After Walker, SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information) was established.
Inside of SCI, there are fou major components. They are SI Sensitive Intelligence, TK Talent-Keyhole, H Humint, G Gamma. When I was in, it was a BIG NO NO to say any of these words outside of a secure space (SCIF). Around 1998 I believe they removed this restriction.
So how SCI works. If I am working counter drug in the Caribbean, I would be read into SI and TK for sure and most likely Gamma. So that means that I could see and reall ALL traffic that was in these compartments. On top of that, we would receive the CNO Notes. This "briefing" covered all TS/SCI activity that the Navy was following AROUND THE WORLD. This document would tell you stuff that would get friendly forces killed if it were passed to the wrong people. As a LOWLY E-2, I had access to this info ALL BY MYSELF. If that doesn't freak you out, nothing will.
As you can see, the "need to know" thing is pretty wide open and IMHO, really only applies to when you get into the TS/SCI world.
C4
My primary was Communications Intercept(98G) and CT(98C) as a secondary MOS. It's amazing that they have tried to pin all of this Wikileaks stuff on a PFC. There is no way possible this kid would have access to all of this info. MAYBE some of the stuff he had access to concerning Iraq but no the Afghanistan or State Dept. cables. I spent time at Field Station Berlin just before the wall came down and everything we did was very compartmentalized. If we did anything out of the ordinary we would have been questioned or caught very quickly. I just don't see how he had access to that info and then could have downloaded it and sent it out. I would think that it would have been stopped very quickly.
As far as what has happened here at Bragg the guy needs to be hung, drawn and quartered!!
Oh I do think he had help and believe that they are searching for another person(s).
With that said, the USA and USMC are MUCH more restricting in what their folks can see than the USN is.
As a CTO (Ops guy) it was my job to set the mission up (pick everything from the freqs used to setting up all the cryptographic equipment to controlling what the other CT's were able to read (SSO)). So not only did I have the combo to the safe with all the KEYMAT, but controlled ALL the documentation.
In an interview with CWO Walker, he mentioned that if he had been what I was in the USN, he never would have been caught. This would be true.
C4
Let's get off the Military for a second. I don't think the general public realizes how much access civilian contractors have to info.
As a contractor, I had a SPRNET box ON MY DESK and could walk into the SCIF at any time and get on GCCS-T, JDISS, etc and look at whatever I wanted. In fact, I would say that it would be easier to steal info as contractor than it would have been to as an active duty CT!
Scary to think about now.
C4
No I'm not familiar with SPRNET. I got out in December of 89. Back then, at least what I was exposed to in the Army, quite a bit was compartmentalized. Even though I had a TS/SCI Codeword clearence there was a lot that we didn't have access to. It amazes me that this guy could have had access to this info. Then again when I was in, there was a Steven Segal movie that had just came out and he went to this person to help him out who hacked into DOD computers and what came up on the movie screen was the supposedly TS Codeword that was in effect at the time. My buddies and I about fell out of our chairs in the theatre.
No I'm not familiar with SPRNET. I got out in December of 89. Back then, at least what I was exposed to in the Army, quite a bit was compartmentalized. Even though I had a TS/SCI Codeword clearence there was a lot that we didn't have access to. It amazes me that this guy could have had access to this info. Then again when I was in, there was a Steven Segal movie that had just came out and he went to this person to help him out who hacked into DOD computers and what came up on the movie screen was the supposedly TS Codeword that was in effect at the time. My buddies and I about fell out of our chairs in the theatre.
Having a SIPRNET terminal on your desk is as common as having the Internet/NIPRNET (FYI).
C4
Just read a bit about SIPRNET on the internet. What little I read is scary. It seems that this PFC could have had access to all sorts of info. Even though it is supposed to be only Secret or lowersomeone with half a brain could put 2 and 2 together. I would hope that even though your chain of command may give you access depending upon your job that it would/should still be compartmentalized? To me OPSEC would dictate this. Various levels of access depending upon need to know and function within whatever environment. Is this not the case? I hope it will become so even if it isn't now.
Just read a bit about SIPRNET on the internet. What little I read is scary. It seems that this PFC could have had access to all sorts of info. Even though it is supposed to be only Secret or lowersomeone with half a brain could put 2 and 2 together. I would hope that even though your chain of command may give you access depending upon your job that it would/should still be compartmentalized? To me OPSEC would dictate this. Various levels of access depending upon need to know and function within whatever environment. Is this not the case? I hope it will become so even if it isn't now.
If you read what I posted, the SIPRNET really isn't compartmentalized like TS is.
I think just about everyone in the Military has a Secret clearance now. Access to it is at an all time high.
C4
I read it Grant.
Sounds like everyone is foot loose and fancy free as far as grant clearences now a days. When I enlisted it took a year to get my TS/SCI clearence. I was almost finished with language school at DLI and there was a chance I wouldn't be able to move on to AIT if my clearence hadn't gone through. I finally got my clearence 3 weeks before graduation. Sounds like in today's world it would have been a lot quicker and easier.
I read it Grant.
Sounds like everyone is foot loose and fancy free as far as grant clearences now a days. When I enlisted it took a year to get my TS/SCI clearence. I was almost finished with language school at DLI and there was a chance I wouldn't be able to move on to AIT if my clearence hadn't gone through. I finally got my clearence 3 weeks before graduation. Sounds like in today's world it would have been a lot quicker and easier.
I came into the USN in 93. I got my full TS in 94 (after I was at my first duty station). So it still took about 9 months.
I actually think it takes longer to get a TS now because there are many more billets that have the need for a TS clearance. Last I heard was 18 month wait for your final clearance.
As we continue to grant more and more folks security clearances, the more "wikileaks" type BS we are going to see.
C4
Cincinnatus
12-06-10, 13:19
To bad they didn't list the guys Rate. My guess is that he is either an IS (intelligence specialist) or a CT (cryptologic technician). Both rates have easy access to TS/SCI info (more so for the CT).
Speaking of leaks from the Military, this whole Wikileaks thing makes me laugh. The comments I hear from news organizations (ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX) concerning how the USA guy got access to this "sensitive" information is just silly. The Army guy stole unclassified NOFORN, confidential and secret info. This info is so easy to suck off the SIPRNET that I am shocked that this type of thing doesn't happen all the time.
My wife was a Naval IS and I was a CT. Both of our Fathers basically told us that they would kill us (personally) if we ever betrayed our Country. IMHO, we need more public hangings. Nothing says "Don't F*cking do that" like a public execution.
C4
Very pertinent point: everybody's acting as though the data lost was Top Secret, which it was not. Even funnier, the Govt told its employees not to access any of the Wikileak stuff online--as if there was anything that could make a body want to access it more than making it forbidden.
Very pertinent point: everybody's acting as though the data lost was Top Secret, which it was not. Even funnier, the Govt told its employees not to access any of the Wikileak stuff online--as if there was anything that could make a body want to access it more than making it forbidden.
Right. The info that was leaked hasn't given away where a secret listening devices are setup or where we have a spy. It is really nothing more than embarrassing.
News flash for people, countries are FULLY aware which countries like them and which ones hate them!
C4
Regarding the Wikileaks, I wanna know why a PFC has access to that much and type of info.
Regarding the Wikileaks, I wanna know why a PFC has access to that much and type of info.
His access level is pretty normal for an intel guy.
C4
Bolt_Overide
12-08-10, 06:05
if hes guilty, I hope he gets the maximum penalty.
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