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Saw this product on another forum. Seems to have some heavy hitters endorsing it, very interesting.
May help those who don't find the Glock's grip angle as ergonomic as others. Should also help those that get bit by the slide.
http://www.gripforceproducts.com/Home.php
Installation and evaluation videos:
http://www.gripforceproducts.com/VIDEOS.html
glockkid88
12-11-10, 10:18
This is very interesting. I have somewhat small hands so I have always went with grip reductions on my glocks but this seems a good way to get a more straight grip angle on your glock without permenent alteration. Seems pretty cool.
jdavis6576
12-11-10, 10:44
Looks interesting. I might get one for my Gen3. I have large hands so the extra length added might be a good thing for me as I tend to hook the trigger and pull to the left during rapid strings.
One thing to think about... the gen 3 grip is already longer than most people like (feels like a 2x4). When you add this, it makes it even worse. Also, if you lower the beavertail, it will lower your hand on the hump.
I did this on my gen4 with the backstrap, but found raising the beavertail was more productive. That said, if the slide hit my hand on my gen4, I would probably get this.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1153/5105528423_427f930a7f_z.jpg
jdavis6576
12-11-10, 14:36
I run the large backstrap on my Gen4 so I don't think making the grip larger would be too much of an issue. It's worth trying for $27. If it works, I may be selling my Gen4 and getting another RTF2.
Why is it that so many of these aftermarket products are not made for Glock 20/21?
I would like one but...
'*In 2007 and later, GLOCK produced some pistols (in 9mm and .40 caliber), that have
slightly thicker frames than most other GEN 3 pistols. These frames, which have a
serial number prefix starting with the letter L (i.e. LXX123), are oversized in diameter at
the trigger housing pin location. The GEN 123 GRIP ADAPTER will not fit on these
oversized frames and cannot be secured using our extended retention pin."
Why is it that so many of these aftermarket products are not made for Glock 20/21?
Probably because the 20/21 series has a significantly larger grip frame and the addition of the adapter would only make it larger. They are probably a small company looking to sell as much product as possible and don't want to make something that most people won't find useful.
I've got long fingers, so I like longer trigger reaches. This would also open up some space for my support hand to get some additional surface contact with the side of the gun.
I could care less about the angle of the gun, but it looks like it'll help with slide bite and guys who prefer longer trigger reaches. I might have to try one out for those reasons alone.
Just ordered 2. My chunky hands always get cut up from glock slides. One glock 17 has CTC lasergrips and the other has the glocktail. I'm hoping these will be compatible with my duty holster (or at least won't require too much trimming)
It's really all about hand size. Hackathorn said in the video on these that he has large hands.Might be a good addition in such a case.My hands are not small,but not huge either. For me removing some material has always worked better than adding material.
Santa's bringing me one for Christmas, she's awesome! I'll post photos & impressions afterwards.
QuietShootr
12-14-10, 19:50
Saw this product on another forum. Seems to have some heavy hitters endorsing it, very interesting.
May help those who don't find the Glock's grip angle as ergonomic as others. Should also help those that get bit by the slide.
http://www.gripforceproducts.com/Home.php
Installation and evaluation videos:
http://www.gripforceproducts.com/VIDEOS.html
I just ordered one to try. They're ass-ugly but I get skinned firing a Glock. I'll post my thoughts after I try it out.
littlejerry
12-15-10, 09:44
Very interesting. I recently started shooting my Gen4 with the large grip and found it to feel much more stable than the small and medium configurations... but for the first time ever I started getting slide bite.
I'd be very interested if they either offered one for the large backstrap or perhaps made a new large backstrap that integrated the beaver-tail into it.
Dave Williams
12-15-10, 14:27
Grip Force Adapter
Let's face it. People have been using stock Glock pistols
for 25yrs in combat. They work pretty well. I saw a quote from
Insights Instructor Mike Shertz(about as an intense, real deal guy
there is) that sums it up nicely, "proven mediocre technology over the promise
of something better". Sure the idea of a $3K 20 round 40S&W 1911 is nice.
But is it reliable? I don't know, but the Glock is, and it costs $400.
There is a reason the Glock is considered the gold standard of combat
handguns, and it's all about reliability.
When you get into advanced shooting, shooting in human reaction time,
like is done at the world's foremost shooting school, Rogers
Shooting School, http://www.rogersshootingschool.com,
some of the Glock's features are a detriment. An example is the
area under the trigger guard. It needs to be undercut more, so that
you can get your hand up higher on the grip tang. You can do this
with a dremel tool, and during a class Bill Rogers will frequently
take a student's gun, undercut and thin the triggerguard,
and instantly the student will have better control over the gun.
Now if you do this, you may have a problem in the
grip tang area. The grip tang area of the Glock pistol is not extended,
so you may get some slide bite, parallel grooves cut into the web of your
hand between your strong hand thumb and forefinger.
There are a few solutions to this problem. You can man up and just accept
the pain, after all, chicks dig scars, and you will have some, believe me.
You can grind the sides of the slides to a round profile.
Not the best option on a work issued gun that can't be
modified, and let's face it most people would be hesitant to do this,
even though it is a real deal solution to the problem. I've seen
guns so modified, and while fully functional, they look like crap.
The other option is to not hold the gun as high, but
it's a also a sub-optimal option. Look at video of the best
shooters in the world. They all have something in
common: they hold the gun as high up on the backstrap as they can.
Doing so gives you the best control of the gun for fast, accurate fire.
Here is where the Grip Force Adapter comes in. This product provides
a comfortable extended grip tang for the Glock pistol. It allows you
to get up as high as possible on the backstrap and really drive the gun.
It's a duty grade part, meant for use on guns going in harms way.
After using the part on my Glocks, I consider it a mandatory
upgrade of the Glock pistol, and so do some VERY high end shooters who
have evaluated the part.
For some reason, when I "go to grip" with a Glock that has a Grip
Force Adapter on it, my hand is forced as high as it can go. Without
the Grip Force Adapter, sometimes I'll not get an optimal highest possible
grip on the Glock. With the Grip Force Adapter, however, it is go time
from the instant you grip the gun in the holster. It really does work well.
Do you wear gloves on duty? Many SWAT/Tactical Officers do. The
Grip Force Adapter will keep you from shredding your gloves in training
with the Glock pistol. If you are a high end shooter on a tac unit,
you are sitting there nodding because you know what I am talking about,
problem solved brother.
Are you a 1911 shooter? Did you read Jeff Cooper growing up? Did you get
into Law Enforcement, and now you are forced to carry the infernal Glock
pistol? Does the Glock point high for you because you are so used to
your beloved 1911? Problem solved brother. The Grip Force adapter
slightly changes the grip angle of the Glock, making it
point more like a 1911, especially the Gen4 version on the
Gen4 in SF/no added backstrap configuration. Now if you use a Gen4
and you like the grip angle of the Glock, put a Gen123 grip adapter over
the medium Gen4 grip insert, it still points more like a Glock than a 1911.
This is what I've elected to do as you can see in the pics of my guns.
Another potential benefit of this part is that it may make the Glock
pistol even more reliable than it already is. Ken Hackathorn mentions
this in his video at http://www.gripforceproducts.com/VIDEOS.html. Ken says the fact that the
Grip Force Adapter forces you to hold the Glock with more of a locked
wrist may make the gun more reliable and eliminate the dreaded "limp wrist" malfunction.
I'll defer to Ken's opinion, as he is one of the most respected firearms trainers on the planet.
Now you can use this part on any Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 24, 31, 32, 34, 35,
37, 38, and oh yeah.......you can use it on the 26, 27, 33, and 39!
That's right, it fits on the Glock subcompacts. All you need to do is chop the
part about 7 rows of checkering up from the bottom and you have the best
addition to a subcompact Glock you can imagine! I've got one on my 27 as you can see
along with an A&G Grip Extender for off duty carry. This really helps you control this
little beast of a gun. I'm using full power 165gr Gold Dot(1150fps!)
and the Grip Force Grip Adapter really helps control the gun.
Now I did with a pair of tin snips, but if you used a
dremel cut off wheel and some files you could do a prettier job than me.
By the way I was first turned on the the A&G by Larry Mudgett, www.marksmanshipmatters.com.
This A&G part allows you the option of carrying a flush G27 mag in the gun
for ankle, pocket, and other max concealment uses as a Back Up Gun, then switching to the A&G
with a G23 mag for belt carry as a primary. It's a great product, and in conjunction
with the Grip Force Adapter turn the subcompact series into a very versatile,
do everyting gun, for those of us on a budget who can't own a different gun for every
use needed.
Oh yeah, the Grip Force Adapter is fully compatible with the Safariland SLS/ALS hood, I
personally use a 6365 ALS duty holster and it works great. Since the ALS
is the best duty holster on the market(ever?) this is a critical factoid.
You do have a Grip Force Adapter on your Glock pistol don't you?
No? Go sit in the corner!
Dave Williams
Full Disclosure: I know the principle of Grip Force and have been "in the loop"
on this product since day one. However, I have no financial interest in the
product, but I do believe in it. Any questions feel free to PM/email me through
the forum.
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Grip Force Adapter
Good info and great sales pitch. I should be getting one in my stocking. However, none of your pictures are showing up.
Dave Williams
12-15-10, 16:37
I'll try to get the pics fixed.
Dave Williams
I'll try to get the pics fixed.
Dave Williams
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12-15-10, 17:24
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LowSpeed_HighDrag
12-15-10, 22:28
Its really an innovative little product. My worry would be getting pinched on the palm of my hand. Has anyone experienced this?
Dave Williams
12-15-10, 22:34
Not that I have heard. Alot of people have shot with it, I don't see that being an issue.
Dave Williams
This (product) looks interesting. Just a quick snap of my grip:
http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae360/chc_hmc/Grip_i.jpg
http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae360/chc_hmc/Grip_ii.jpg
Kind of "tricky" taking a one hand picture shot with a cell. I'm wondering how this may aid in my grip? I'm thinking. . .
jdavis6576
12-16-10, 15:54
I just received two; a Gen3 and a Gen4. I haven't had a chance to shoot with them yet but I've already contacted Grip Force about exchanging the Gen4 for another Gen3.
I've been using the large back strap on my Gen4 but to use this adapter I have to put in on using the SF configuration. The result is that my trigger finger hooks the trigger, eliminating the reason I bought a Gen4 in the first place.
After installing the adapter on my Gen3 G19 RTF2 it feels like the Gen4 as far as length of pull is concerned if that makes sense. My understanding is that I can use the Gen3 adapter on a Gen4 pistol if I install the medium back strap. However, I'm giving serious thought now to selling my Gen4 and picking up another RTF2. I like the Vickers mag release and a back strap plug on my Gen3s, neither of which are offered on Gen4s.
QuietShootr
12-16-10, 16:20
I just got mine, and installed it on my Gen 3 G19. First impression is that I like the way it feels, and it does look like it's going to take care of the slide bite issue. It's also not nearly as ugly as I thought it was going to be.
Questions: it looks like the plastic on the front of the pin hole is very thin, and I question how tough it's going to be over the long term (or if it will take a heavy blow to the beavertail without possibly cracking on the front of the pin hole. I will probably wind up RTVing it on if it shoots well, so that might be sort of moot, but still. Also - the bottom edge does sort of angle up and away from the grip, leaving a slightly unsightly gap between the GFA and the grip itself - aside from cosmetic concerns this is an area that might catch on something and break the GFA off the gun while in the holster.
Also - the front edges should be smoother.
I wonder why it's taken somebody so long to come up with this. It's been sorely needed for a long time.
I just got mine, and installed it on my Gen 3 G19. First impression is that I like the way it feels, and it does look like it's going to take care of the slide bite issue. It's also not nearly as ugly as I thought it was going to be.
Questions: it looks like the plastic on the front of the pin hole is very thin, and I question how tough it's going to be over the long term (or if it will take a heavy blow to the beavertail without possibly cracking on the front of the pin hole. I will probably wind up RTVing it on if it shoots well, so that might be sort of moot, but still. Also - the bottom edge does sort of angle up and away from the grip, leaving a slightly unsightly gap between the GFA and the grip itself - aside from cosmetic concerns this is an area that might catch on something and break the GFA off the gun while in the holster.
Also - the front edges should be smoother.
I wonder why it's taken somebody so long to come up with this. It's been sorely needed for a long time.
I think they recommend smoothing out the edges to make them fit better.
Won't the RTV compound take up the space that is pulling away from the grip?
I was hoping for a product like this. I shot Beretta and Sig and we went to Glocks few years ago. Slide-bite sissy.
Dave Williams, few extra questions: What kind of tripple mag pouch is that in your pic? How do you like the grip mod on the Gsubcompact? Is the improvement as noticeable in the larger Glocks?
Thanks
NCPatrolAR
12-16-10, 22:10
Those are the new Safariland duty mag pouches
William B.
12-16-10, 22:32
I just ordered one. I've been using a Glocktail for a couple of months now, and while it works, I really can't stand the way it looks. It looks much less "ghetto" than my Glocktail :laugh:
Dave Williams
12-17-10, 02:28
Apache, I think the product rocks on both platforms. I think my earlier review is clear on that.
Again, I have 0,no,none,zilch financial interest in this product.
Re the Safariland mag pouch, I went to it after reading a Jeff Chudwin article about it. Another GREAT product. There is a version with flaps
available.
Dave Williams
Its really an innovative little product. My worry would be getting pinched on the palm of my hand. Has anyone experienced this?
No, not with the way I have my Gen4 backstrap. I'd expect the same with this product.
ETA: Does this stick up a bit on the 17, and lay flat on the 19? They do have different backstrap profiles.
QuietShootr
12-17-10, 15:51
No, not with the way I have my Gen4 backstrap. I'd expect the same with this product.
ETA: Does this stick up a bit on the 17, and lay flat on the 19? They do have different backstrap profiles.
It's sticking up just a bit on my 19. I don't have a 17 around to try it on.
Anyone else think this could be built to include a Crimson Trace laser? How different are they from each other?
Buckaroo
No live fire yet but from the holster presentation and dry firing it definitely points better for me. I find it easier to get a higher hold on the pistol and it's changed the grip angle just slightly, but enough to make gripping the gun more comfortable. I seem to suffer from the slide bite monster and this will definitely help cure that. I'll be shooting it later in the week and post my impressions as well, so far it seems like a winner. No sanding or fitment issues and it fits really snug.
I snapped a few more pictures to help illustrate the fitment on a stock gun, only mods are AmeriGlo Hackathorn sights & Vickers mag release along with the GFA.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2186/010hta.jpg
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4056/015ts.jpg
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Is this adapter hard plastic or does it have some give?
Thanks
It is hard plastic, there is no "give".
Put one on my gen 4 19. It does help with the angle enough to make a difference. The ribs on the beavertail HURT my thumb though. I let some other people try it as well and they said the same thing. The rib irritated the top part of their thumbs.
It looks interesting. I watched the Ken Hackathorn video he did to promote the product. I know what he's talking about regarding how a 1911 points and how a Glock points. If it makes the Glock point better, I'd count it as a win.
Not really easy to see but I rounded the edges where the Adapter meets the frame and removed some material off the ribs on both sides. I had every intention to shoot it with the Adapter yesterday but it didn't happen.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8491/today009.jpg
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Buckaroo--I am a bit confused, the existing CT LG617 Lasergrips for the Glock are already very similar...
jdavis6576
12-27-10, 21:31
I was able to put roughly 130 rounds through my Gen3 today. The gun feels much better in my hand, I have large hands, so this eliminates the hooking the trigger issue I've had with Gen3s. I was able to get a higher grip and it seemed to lock my grip onto the gun much better. I didn't notice any pinching, shifting, or flexing. The only mods I've made to it were to sand down the back strap a little and to smooth the edges. I don't think the ribbing at the top was an issue but it was snowing and 19 degrees with roughly 20 mph winds and I wasn't shooting with gloves. I could have just as easily lost a pint of blood from my hands I wouldn't have known.
I've pretty much decided to sell my Gen4 and pick up another Gen3 RTF2 as this setup seems to be perfect for me. I'm going to make at least one more range trip before deciding but I'm very pleased with this product.
Thanks for the evals everyone. DaveW, sorry, original read was on a Droid phone somebody was showing me the pics and I didn't read close enough. Awesome forum that shares the good news.
Has anyone used a set on duty Glock? Did it get noticed by brass? Any conflicts with "it's not factory" regs? It is such a good idea it will probably be forbidden, formally.
Well after reading thru the thread and looking over the grip force website and vids, I took the plunge and ordered a set this evening.
I'll update you all when I get them.
jdavis6576
12-31-10, 09:07
I was able to put another 100 rounds through my G19 with this adapter. I'm sold. I did the semi-permanent installation and while it may or may not add to the sturdiness of the adapter I think it will help keep dirt or other debris from getting between the adapter and the grip. I didn't want to get the pin stuck so I left a gap around the pin but I believe the top and bottom would be the areas to collect the most dirt.
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I received mines yesterday. It took no longer than 3 minutes to install. It is well made and it is on there good, so I don't have to worry about the adaptor coming off or the supplied pin shimming it's way loose. My only complaint is the checkering in the backstrap is kinda sharp. nothing but a little sanding will help.
I have small hands and when I gripped my glock 19 it felt like gripping a Glock 21. What I liked about it is when I'm ready to shoot, my first joint of my trigger finger is already there with no need of adjustment.
The way the Glock points feels also natural like a 1911/XD. All I have to do now is shoot a few rounds to make sure that GFA will work for me.
Mine came in this afternoon. The installation was less than 60 seconds, honestly, took a LOT longer to read the instructions than to follow them!
I have done quite a bit of drawing and dry firing with it installed, and I'm cautiously optimistic. My G19, which, despite years of INTENSE training has always "naturally" pointed high in my hand, now points dead on from the draw. The grip IS larger, the pad of my finger just barely reaches the center of the trigger, instead of the first joint, so we'll have to see what effect this has on my shooting.
Can't wait to get to the range and start wringing this out. I'm thinking, actually, that this device, coupled with the Gen4's reduced grip, might be THE solution for the Glock grip.
Regards,
Kevin
Dave Williams
01-04-11, 01:58
http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/2011/01/01/review-grip-force-adapter-for-glocks/
Here is a good review of the GFA.
Dave Williams
HeadHunter
01-07-11, 14:32
I installed one on my G17. Shot an IDPA match (ESP) with it and liked the way it improved the feel of the G17.
I also did some dryfire with it and like the way it indexes my hand on the gun as I form the grip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtR80Knmug
I just put one on my G22. I had to trim a bit of the hood on my Safariland 6280 to make it fit.
I qualified yesterday and the webbing of my hand was a little red, but no blood!!!!
I highly recommend it to anyone who gets slide bite.
. Shot an IDPA match (ESP) with it......
So your understanding is that it puts the 17 into ESP? or is it because of that huge ass mag well?
HeadHunter
01-08-11, 18:49
So your understanding is that it puts the 17 into ESP? or is it because of that huge ass mag well?
Either qualifies to put it into ESP, IMO.
HeadHunter
01-16-11, 18:54
I shot the IDPA Postal Match (http://www.idpapostalmatch.com/home.html) today and used my G17 w/GFA. The more I use it, the better I like it. I did very well in the match (local results) and part of that was how well the G17 indexed on the target.
Fair disclaimer: I have an association with both the designer and manufacturer of the GFA.
That being said, the match numbers seem to validate my point because I haven't done much live fire practice lately. I did do some dryfire with it.
HeadHunter
01-16-11, 18:56
So your understanding is that it puts the 17 into ESP? or is it because of that huge ass mag well?
The Area Coordinator agreed with me today at the Postal Match that the GFA puts it into ESP.
John_Wayne777
01-20-11, 20:59
My Gen3 G17 is SN LVUXXX...which I assume means that the GFA won't work on my gun, correct?
My Gen3 G17 is SN LVUXXX...which I assume means that the GFA won't work on my gun, correct?
The GFA series 123 should fit your gen 3 pistol.
The GFA series 123 should fit your gen 3 pistol.
According to GFA's web site:
http://www.gripforceproducts.com/GEN_3.html
"*In 2007 and later, GLOCK produced some pistols (in 9mm and .40 caliber), that have
slightly thicker frames than most other GEN 3 pistols. These frames, which have a
serial number prefix starting with the letter L (i.e. LXX123), are oversized in diameter at
the trigger housing pin location. The GEN 123 GRIP ADAPTER will not fit on these
oversized frames and cannot be secured using our extended retention pin."
Will update post at a a later date.
After taking a training course with LMS Defense yesterday I'm not so keen on the GFA. Got a decent rub blister going and the dots are individual bruises from the vertical ribs running up the GFA.
That's hardcore...Sorry to see that. Extended shooting sessions tend to reveal issues like that.
I can't see any reason to have the "ribs" on the top part. You have any recommendations for improvement?
Regarding the rub blister, did you smooth down the edges of the adapter?
The reason I ask is that you stated there were no sanding issues?
No sanding or fitment issues and it fits really snug.
I had a chance to try a buddy's Glock 17 Generation four with the Grip Force Adapter installed. I like it, it didn't add much to the grip length front to back, it did help straighten out the curvature of the backstrap. The G17 is more comfortable, my short finger could reach the trigger without stretching.
For those with the Gen 4 G17, give the Grip Force Adapter a try.
QuietShootr
02-27-11, 19:24
I'm still a fan. It cured my slide bite issue. I think it could be improved by getting rid of those ribs, though. IMO that area should be smooth.
HeadHunter
02-28-11, 02:39
I think it could be improved by getting rid of those ribs, though. IMO that area should be smooth.
Dremel tool.
thopkins22
03-02-11, 08:57
Doing a little handgun training with RetreatHell yesterday, he suggested I order a GFA. Here I thought it was just something I was going to live with...as I had every single time I shot my pistols.
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/thopkins22/fce5049c.jpg
I'm tired to cleaning blood off of my Glocks. Will report back when they get off of backorder and mine arrives.
That is what my hands used to look like......GFA is the cure!
I use them on my G17s and on my G34! :D
Doing a little handgun training with RetreatHell yesterday, he suggested I order a GFA. Here I thought it was just something I was going to live with...as I had every single time I shot my pistols.
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/thopkins22/fce5049c.jpg
I'm tired to cleaning blood off of my Glocks. Will report back when they get off of backorder and mine arrives.
This may end up being a little more elegant solution to the slide bite problem on Gen4's if Glock actually makes them available.
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5694/glockbeaver590x442.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5TIdDy1SaU&feature=player_embedded#at=24
QuietShootr
04-06-11, 20:24
Still a GFA fan. Really love not cleaning chunks of meat and blood off the lower right of the slide, too.
If they'd just 86 those ribs and finish it more OEM I'd be happy as ****.
The ribs were the first thing that caught my eye.
Why the hell are they there? If the goal is the help with purchase, stippling or some other simple surface treatment will do a better job.
ChicagoTex
04-06-11, 21:01
The ribs were the first thing that caught my eye.
Why the hell are they there? If the goal is the help with purchase, stippling or some other simple surface treatment will do a better job.
They're almost certainly there to enhance rigidity (similar to blood grooves on combat knives) and prevent the tiny, thin piece of plastic from snapping under recoil.
If I'm right, it means the ribs are somewhat unavoidable (at least until the manufacturer finds a more resilient plastic or a better way of securing it.
I am using a GF adapter on my Gen 3 Glock 17 and could not be happier... It completes the package...
3rd gen Glock 17
x300 light
Heinie straight 8 ledge night sights
Vickers magazine release
Factory extended slide release
Grip plug
Raven light holster
Bladetech single mag pouch
and now the Grip Force adapter...
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My Gen3 G17 is SN LVUXXX...which I assume means that the GFA won't work on my gun, correct?
I've got a Gen3 G23 with a serial that starts with an L and it worked fine. try it.
QuietShootr
04-27-11, 19:00
Doing a little handgun training with RetreatHell yesterday, he suggested I order a GFA. Here I thought it was just something I was going to live with...as I had every single time I shot my pistols.
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr130/thopkins22/fce5049c.jpg
I'm tired to cleaning blood off of my Glocks. Will report back when they get off of backorder and mine arrives.
EXACTLY what they all do to me without a GFA. That skid mark just oozes plasma all day if I'm shooting a full day.
Rosco Benson
04-28-11, 12:18
Dremel tool.
I ground the ribs off mine, up at rear edge of the tang. It made the unit more comfortable and didn't seem to make it too flimsy. I'll do this same surgury on any subsequent GFA's.
Rosco
madisonsfinest
04-28-11, 13:21
This may end up being a little more elegant solution to the slide bite problem on Gen4's if Glock actually makes them available.
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/5694/glockbeaver590x442.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5TIdDy1SaU&feature=player_embedded#at=24
I think I will wait for this version. Hopefully it actually comes out
Grip Force Adapter
Let's face it. People have been using stock Glock pistols
for 25yrs in combat. ]
In combat? I don't think so. Not until recently.
Rosco Benson
05-28-11, 13:54
The GFA is good kit. They even still honor their warranty if you grind on it. The ribs, at the very rear edge of the unit, need to go. For my hand, the ribs farther down the backstrap are okay.
When I see these bloody hand posts, I wounder what possesses people to put up with a hand tool that hurts them to use. We wouldn't put up with a hammer or wrench that cut our hand every time we used it. Why should we be more willing to accept this from a pistol? It is difficult to shoot well with a pistol that hurts to shoot and it can ingrain flinching, gripping the pistol too low, and other bad habits.
There have been solutions for this available for a while (beavertails of epoxy attached to the frame mostly). The GFA is brilliant in that it addresses the issue of being cut by the slide and makes the pistol's grip angle more comfortable for most users without permanent modifications to the pistol. I don't mind making a small effort to grind off a small portion of the ribs to make it just about perfect for me.
Glock themselves seem to recognize that this is a problem for some users, hence the Gen 4 beavertail backstrap insert. However, I'm not sure if this unit is something that will make it to market. I asked about it at the NRA convention and the Glock booth folks said that, while they had showed it at SHOT, they hadn't brought one along to Pittsburg.
Rosco
HeadHunter
05-29-11, 10:07
In combat? I don't think so. Not until recently.
The first gunfight involving a Glock 17 that I know of took place shortly after Glocks were introduced in the US in 1986. The SA involved probably thought that was combat. I wouldn't disagree with him.
I think I will wait for this version. Hopefully it actually comes out
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not just a Glock OEM backstrap with a beavertail? It's not going to correct the grip angle like the GFA, just prevent the slide bite.
ChicagoTex
05-29-11, 22:23
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not just a Glock OEM backstrap with a beavertail. It's not going to correct the grip angle like the GFA, just prevent the slide bite.
Some of us don't feel the Glock grip angle needs "correction". I, too, am waiting on the OEM beavertail, once they're out I'll be all over a G4 G19.
I'm planning to try this out soon. I don't have trouble with slide bite, but the grip angle bothers me.
I had the pleasure of meeting & shooting with one of the guys behind the scenes on the Grip Force Adapter, at this past weekends National Patrol Rifle Competition held up in Commerce Township, MI. He had several of his personal Glocks on display at the awards banquets after the competition each wearing his GFA's. He told me that they are designed to be modified to fit your preferences via dremel/sanding, etc. He had one that he modified on a Gen4 G17 that has completely sold me on eventually going to the Gen4 Glock platform and it will be wearing one of the GFA's.
thopkins22
06-07-11, 18:41
Has there been any word as to whether or not they will produce them to fit guns with serial numbers beginning with L?
If not is there a mod(like sanding the inside) that will do the trick?
Has there been any word as to whether or not they will produce them to fit guns with serial numbers beginning with L?
If not is there a mod(like sanding the inside) that will do the trick?
I have a G17 with serial number LCEXXX and the GFA fits great!
HeadHunter
06-28-11, 17:21
I had to drill a locater hole for the CT Laser on my Dummy Gun. The Dummy didn't even have a mark, so I used the GFA to locate and drill the hole. Worked like a charm.
While initially a bit skeptical, I have added Grip Force Adaptors (http://gripforceproducts.com) to my Glocks and am truly impressed by the benefits they offer, as noted by others above.
As a long time 1911 shooter, when I press out a stock Glock, particularly the G17/G22, I typically find the front sight sitting too high and have to consciously cock my wrist down. The GFA slightly changes the Glock grip angle, resulting in a perfect natural sight alignment when I press the pistol out. The GFA beavertail helps to ensure a more positive grip when aggressively drawing the pistol. It also provides more leverage which seems to help control the pistol during recoil on fast shot strings. The timer indicates I am having both a faster draw and quicker splits when I use a GFA equipped Glock. The web of my shooting hand occasionally gets bitten by a stock Glock slide--especially during high round count training sessions; the GFA beavertail seems to eliminate this possibility.
Installation is quite simple and takes about 60 seconds. I have modified all my GFA's. On the G17, I just reduce the ridges on the underside of the beavertail using a Dremel tool. With the G19, I do the same ridge reduction, but also cut the grip portion in half. All the 3rd gen Glocks I use have been stippled, so the GFA's on those pistols also got stippled.
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7655&filename=Glocks%20GFA.jpg
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7656&filename=G17%20GFA.jpg
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7657&filename=G19%20gfa.jpg
On RTF2 pistols, the GFA’s built in texture works fine, so I modify them as described above, but without sippling.
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7658&filename=G19%20RTF%20RMR.jpg
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7659&filename=G19%20RTF2%20GFA.jpg
All in all I am quite pleased with the GFA and now consider it a desirable addition to my Glocks.
Interesting Doc. I use the RMR on my Model 23 and find I have to work at pressing out with the irons to avoid "chasing the dot" which tends to be high with a natural press. I thought it was about the red dot, but having read this, it's probably about the grip angle.
I'm not sure if this will work for me as the LOP seems to be at max for me right now with my Gen 2 Glock. I am going to go back and read all posts to see if anyone posted before and after measurements.
Doc,
I noticed the opposite. I find recoil harder to mitigate (minutely) with the GFA on the gun due to how much lower my hand is sitting in relation to the bore.
Do you think perhaps you're noticing faster splits or quicker times on drills because of the "corrected" grip angle which is allowing your sights to settle in a more familiar fashion?
What do you perceive as the benefits of grinding the ridges underneath the beavertail?
Thanks
cc
Magsz--For me there is definitely less pistol movement and muzzle flip with the GFA in place.
ccmdfd--The ridges were uncomfortable, so I reduced and smoothed them; this also allows me to get my hand a bit higher up for improved recoil management.
One of the great guys at GFP has sent me a few adapters to test and evaluate. I am in the process of testing and I am using one on duty and heavily modifying a GFA also. Now that I see DocGKR endorsing it, my measly evaluation may be a waste of time.
My initial observations on the GFA right now are that they definitely help with slide bite, they get ME on the sights quicker, they add a bit too much girth to the grip (hence the mod) and they are a bit tricky in the 6004 holster I am issued.
I will post a more detailed review when my testing is complete.
they add a bit too much girth to the grip (hence the mod)
That's my biggest concern, the girth.
Which mod helped with that?
Thanks
cc
I have about 1k rounds with the GFA on a 34..... I like it.....It works for me because: a) weapon points better b) my hand doesn't get chewed up.....I'd like to see a more "comfortable" gen 2 GFA....
The owner of Grip Force saw this thread and emailed me, suggesting that the ridges on the underside of the GFA where it fits against the pistol backstrap can be reduced if one wants the device to fit more flush against the grip--especially when cut down like on the G19's above. Well, I took his advice and gave it a try--like the man said, it makes the GFA fit even better. Good company, good product--I'll be getting more of these!
I wonder why won't they just make a model without the ridges for people who don't like them. Just like the one Glock showed at SHOT.
I wonder why won't they just make a model without the ridges for people who don't like them. Just like the one Glock showed at SHOT.
Was Glock showing the GFA or a Glock factory prototype?
Was Glock showing the GFA or a Glock factory prototype?
http://therightofthepeople.org/glock-beavertail-grip.html
http://therightofthepeople.org/glock-beavertail-grip.html
Thanks. I had forgotten about that. I wonder if it addresses the grip angle. I would be surprised if it did.
Here's mine that I smoothed out the ridges under the beavertail on. I used a Dremel, some fine emory cloth, and alot of time....
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4615/sdc11341sb.jpg
The owner of Grip Force saw this thread and emailed me, suggesting that the ridges on the underside of the GFA where it fits against the pistol backstrap can be reduced if one wants the device to fit more flush against the grip--especially when cut down like on the G19's above. Well, I took his advice and gave it a try--like the man said, it makes the GFA fit even better. Good company, good product--I'll be getting more of these!
Hi Doc, any pics of so-modded GFA?
Did you remove material from all the ribs or just at certain areas?
The further away from the beavertail area you get, the more you reduce--looks a lot like nickdrak's photo above.
FYI - these will fit the G21/20. I emailed the company asking if they planned to produce them for the larger framed Glocks. They replied that they will fit, they just hadn't updated the website.
It was a major PITA to get it on - but it's on and works like a charm.
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af269/CoryCop25/Grip%20Force/P1010136.jpg
I just got a couple of these to try out here; both for Gen 4's. I too was skeptical because I've had great success with the G's stock except for occassional slide bite with 19s or 26s if I got a little to high during a draw.
But DocGKR, Bill Rogers, Ken Hackathorn et al reviews just created critical mass to give them a look. Feels ok to me. Haven't shot it yet.
I do find it mildly amusing that the method of attachment which is widely mocked for Gen 4 grip size adaptors is complimented when attaching a Grip Force Adaptor. People are funny. ;)
OK, with some dry fire quicksdraw I see DocGKR's point. Without front sight a little up, with GFA level. Can't wait to shoot it on drills. I kinda considered the stock front sight high in the presentation/press out a "feature" and aid to picking up the front sight.
However when pushing speed in the FAST test, yeah I've experienced the challenge of having to pull the front down to get on that dang 3x5 card but over correcting and moving it back up etc all in a fraction of a second.
Interesting.
Updated: First fast drill shot ice cold was a 5.75 clean and insanely tightly grouped. I'm getting convinced of the merits.
There is now a new version of the Grip Force Adapter available, it is shorter in length along the back-strap than the current GFA and the grip tang area is smooth and contoured.
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7787&filename=GF%20GEN%20123SC%20small.jpg
That looks awesome. Thanks for sharing. This looks perfect for G26.
Now that's looks much better! I never understood the reason for the exposed ridges in the first place.
That looks awesome. Thanks for sharing. This looks perfect for G26.
While I've reaped the benefits of this product on my G17 I had different experiences with it on my G26. To be specific I'm talking about the previous ridged version. I found that on the smaller framed 26 it would push my hand down to the point I actually wasn't controlling the pistol as well as I previously had.
I'm going to order this new version to try out on the G17/19. I like it despite my Glock now having an "Uncanny Valley" appearance.
Might have to try this on one of my glocks!
madisonsfinest
01-15-12, 17:12
There is now a new version of the Grip Force Adapter available, it is shorter in length along the back-strap than the current GFA and the grip tang area is smooth and contoured.
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7787&filename=GF%20GEN%20123SC%20small.jpg
When will those be released? I don't see them on their website
Must have a new version for my G19. Don't feel like grinding down the ribs on the one I have.
NeoNeanderthal
01-15-12, 20:42
Doc,
Are those glock mags painted??
Magic_Salad0892
01-15-12, 20:55
I'm in for two, upon release. Those look awesome. I love my standard GFA(s) however... they're too long, and I don't wanna cut them down.
However, I'm wondering if Crimson Trace's new Gen4 lasers are going to give me the same effect.
After reading Todd Green's article on the CTC product, I'm considering giving them a second look.
However... that's if the one Todd has doesn't break, or they get released and I don't hear bad things... so probably going to try them around October....
Derp. I got super sidetracked. Might start a new thread.
I just installed the standard GFA and did some dry fire with it. Obviously it's not much of a test, but it certainly seems like the gun is pointing much more naturally, meaning I can pick up the front sight in a more linear fashion to the rear sight much more readily--a faster sight picture overall.
I've been in contact with the company, the new version is being unveiled at SHOT. I should have one shortly thereafter.
I just received one a few days ago and the first thing I did was remove the grooves. I will also be cutting it to the shorter length soon as well as remove some more material since my hand can't reach the mag release anymore without shifting grip.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/johnson_n/IMG_2392.jpg
This is how much material the original GFA adds to my G26 (after I cut part of the bottom off and sanded the underside to make it fit as flush as possible). I'd like to know how thick the 'beavertail' part of the new design is.
I've taken mine off. I find I shoot better without it as someone else said above, and the impact on reaching the mag release is also significant for me.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3838/gfcompg262.jpg
How is everybody liking the smooth version of the GFA?
I have huge hands, and the GFA made a world of difference in how well I can shoot a Glock 17. My hand now indexes with the ergonomics decently, I can draw quickly without bobbling to get an ideal grip, and I no longer get bit by the slide. This is of the best gun accessories I have ever tried.
William B.
03-10-12, 22:50
How is everybody liking the smooth version of the GFA?
I received my smooth GFA in the mail earlier this week. I have been using the ribbed GFA on my carry gun for just over a year now. I only have 100rds and some dry-fire time on the smooth GFA right now, but it feels more comfortable in the web of my hand and I don't know if it's just me, but it seems to fit tighter against the backstrap of the firearm, too. They also included a free ribbed GFA with my order, which was a nice, unexpected surprise.
http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx82/Colt_LE6920/DSCN2077.jpg
Earlier in the thread, a few people mentioned interference with the original GFA & their holster. Anyone using the new, smooth version noticed this?
When installing the 1st gen GFA, I grind the internal ribs off the device so its sits more flush against the grip as note previously in this thread...
Started rocking the new 2nd gen GFA's--I like them very much for G19's. For G17's I like the slightly longer extension down the grip of the 1st gen, however the smooth beavertail and closer fit to grip of the 2nd gen are very appealing.
http://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=654&stc=1&d=1331509393
http://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=655&stc=1&d=1331509405
I would like one but...
'*In 2007 and later, GLOCK produced some pistols (in 9mm and .40 caliber), that have
slightly thicker frames than most other GEN 3 pistols. These frames, which have a
serial number prefix starting with the letter L (i.e. LXX123), are oversized in diameter at
the trigger housing pin location. The GEN 123 GRIP ADAPTER will not fit on these
oversized frames and cannot be secured using our extended retention pin."
I wonder who those pistols were tooled up for...
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DANGER CLOSE
03-12-12, 04:11
hey guys, i bought one for partner in crime and he likes it very much. so much so that he told our lieutenant who bought one and a few extras for the work gun and personal gun.
the question that keeps coming up from these guys is the pin, is there a reason that it comes with 2 of them? are they prone to breakage? if they do break, will the pistol malfunction?
any help will be appreciated. thank you for your time.
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s there a reason that it comes with 2 of them? are they prone to breakage?
I believe that is so that you don't have to re use the old pin if you remove it?
wwright521
03-12-12, 22:54
ordered my GFA today... Looking forward to trying it out..
Running into Glock-bite on my new Gen4 g19. I've casually shot my son's Gen 3, and never had an issue. Tried my new Gen 4 the other day for 250 rds, and whammo - slide bite.
Ordered a GFA last night, but have some trepidation on making a good feeling grip LONGER and FATTER. But the 'performance' reviews out there are pretty good:
http://pistol-training.com/archives/5092
Anyone with less than XLG hands use this out there? Thanks.
Tango Charlie145
07-16-12, 16:49
Got my Grip Force Adapter for my G17 the other day. Went on with no problem and it does help MY pointability and lets me put a little less finger in the trigger. So far I am very pleased and the customer service was great.
I would like one but...
'*In 2007 and later, GLOCK produced some pistols (in 9mm and .40 caliber), that have
slightly thicker frames than most other GEN 3 pistols. These frames, which have a
serial number prefix starting with the letter L (i.e. LXX123), are oversized in diameter at
the trigger housing pin location. The GEN 123 GRIP ADAPTER will not fit on these
oversized frames and cannot be secured using our extended retention pin."
I have one of those gen 3s...so will a gen 4 adapter work...or am I out of luck?
I have a newer GEN 3 that works just fine despite their warning. I was worried at first but didn't have any trouble with it fitting.
I have a Gen 4 and it works fine. It comes with a Gen 3 adapter also.
xjustintimex
03-08-13, 18:08
Earlier in the thread, a few people mentioned interference with the original GFA & their holster. Anyone using the new, smooth version noticed this?
Is anyone having trouble popping these things on? I cannot seem to get it to click
Is anyone having trouble popping these things on? I cannot seem to get it to click
Make sure that you have the correct version...gen 3 or 4...for your pistol
Is anyone having trouble popping these things on? I cannot seem to get it to click
They can be a bitch. I had to do one side at a time, if that makes any sense.
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xjustintimex
03-08-13, 18:26
They can be a bitch. I had to do one side at a time, if that makes any sense.
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Its the right generation, but my thumbs are flat and purple from pushing so hard ^_^
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