How Corrupt is Chicago?

[Business_Casual]

Rahm is a resident? He was on TV every day in Washington and did his announcement of running for mayor from his office in DC and he's a resident of Chicago?

What happened to the rule of law?

B_C

[Suwannee Tim]

Remember the corrupt NJ senator Robert Torricelli? He was being challenged by Republican Doug Forrester and it was becoming increasingly evident that Forrester would win. Torricelli resigned from the race and the Dems proposed to replace his name on the ballot with popular retired Senator Lautenberg. NJ election law clearly stated that this was not allowed but the NJ Supreme Court simply set the law aside. Lautenberg won. Rule of law? Rule of law? We don't need no stinkin rule of law! The rule of law only applies to Republicans, conservatives and little people. When it stands in the way of "progress" it is set aside.

[Redmanfms]

Remember the corrupt NJ senator Robert Torricelli? He was being challenged by Republican Doug Forrester and it was becoming increasingly evident that Forrester would win. Torricelli resigned from the race and the Dems proposed to replace his name on the ballot with popular retired Senator Lautenberg. NJ election law clearly stated that this was not allowed but the NJ Supreme Court simply set the law aside. Lautenberg won. Rule of law? Rule of law? We don't need no stinkin rule of law! The rule of law only applies to Republicans, conservatives and little people. When it stands in the way of "progress" it is set aside.

Basically. Leftists are only interested in "the rule of law" when they can use it as a bludgeon with which to browbeat conservatives. Typically they just make up "laws" or grossly misinterpret laws to do so.

But when it comes to things like immigration or individual rights (like freedom of speech when a Dem is president), the "law" says something else.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

How wet is water?

[500grains]

Who was that Congressman, from DE or MD maybe, who lived in Florida instead of in his own district?

[Bolt_Overide]

how hot is fire?

[Business_Casual]

Here's another perspective on the issue:


In reference to your post about Rahm Emmanuel. I live in Chicago and hate this man with a passion.work against him as much as I can. Having said that, this nonsense about his residency is exactly that-nonsense. The man had owned a home in Chicago in which he still has belongings, has paid property taxes on that home, has maintained an Illinois D/L while working in Washington all while he has been employed out of state. Do we consider a soldier a non resident when he is over in Iraq or Afganistan? What about the guy that takes a contracting job overseas? Do either one give up their US citizenship while out side the US?
This argument lends credence to those that like to portray those of us who are against Rahm as right wing wack jobs who have no better argument against Rahm than this and as a result are grasping at straws. I say let Rahm run and then eliminate him fair and square at the ballot box. In the end though, it really doesn't matter. There are no viable candidates for right and proper thinking Chicagoians. Our choices are Rahm, Gery Chico, Carol Mostly Fraud aka Carol Mosley Braun or Danny Davis, all democratic left wingers. The Republican Party is not even running a candidate in this race, something I will never forgive them for because this will probably be the best chance they will ever have of taking over that spot. Not all of us here are left wing, Obama loving socialists. There are thousands if not millions of us who live here and detest the political situation in Chicago. But we do not believe that running away is the correct solution. Instead we stay and try to correct as best we can, a system that seems to only have room for one political party.
BTW, I would have posted this on the forum but I do not have the post count to do so, hence this PM.
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[MarshallDodge]

This argument lends credence to those that like to portray those of us who are against Rahm as right wing wack jobs who have no better argument against Rahm than this and as a result are grasping at straws.

I agree. Let the man stand on his own without muddying up the picture with where he spent the last couple years. His ideals are not a good thing for the people of Chicago and the person running against him needs to bring these things to light...if they are smart enough to do that. :rolleyes:

[Buckaroo]

Having said that, this nonsense about his residency is exactly that-nonsense. The man had owned a home in Chicago in which he still has belongings, has paid property taxes on that home, has maintained an Illinois D/L while working in Washington all while he has been employed out of state. Do we consider a soldier a non resident when he is over in Iraq or Afganistan? What about the guy that takes a contracting job overseas? Do either one give up their US citizenship while out side the US?

I agree, let the man run. He had every intention of returning to and contributing to the continuation of the train wreck called Chicago. Hopefully the residents can think clearly enough to choose a better mayor but I seriously doubt it.

Buckaroo

[The_War_Wagon]

How gay is "Man's Country?" :eek:

[Business_Casual]

I'm coming around to you way of thinking - plus he'll be in office when they go bankrupt and have to end the public pensions.

B_C

[Redmanfms]

Here's another perspective on the issue:


In reference to your post about Rahm Emmanuel. I live in Chicago and hate this man with a passion.work against him as much as I can. Having said that, this nonsense about his residency is exactly that-nonsense. The man had owned a home in Chicago in which he still has belongings, has paid property taxes on that home, has maintained an Illinois D/L while working in Washington all while he has been employed out of state. Do we consider a soldier a non resident when he is over in Iraq or Afganistan? What about the guy that takes a contracting job overseas? Do either one give up their US citizenship while out side the US?
This argument lends credence to those that like to portray those of us who are against Rahm as right wing wack jobs who have no better argument against Rahm than this and as a result are grasping at straws. I say let Rahm run and then eliminate him fair and square at the ballot box. In the end though, it really doesn't matter. There are no viable candidates for right and proper thinking Chicagoians. Our choices are Rahm, Gery Chico, Carol Mostly Fraud aka Carol Mosley Braun or Danny Davis, all democratic left wingers. The Republican Party is not even running a candidate in this race, something I will never forgive them for because this will probably be the best chance they will ever have of taking over that spot. Not all of us here are left wing, Obama loving socialists. There are thousands if not millions of us who live here and detest the political situation in Chicago. But we do not believe that running away is the correct solution. Instead we stay and try to correct as best we can, a system that seems to only have room for one political party.
BTW, I would have posted this on the forum but I do not have the post count to do so, hence this PM.


Not exactly a valid comparison.

Citizenship has nothing to do with residency. Foreign ex-pats aren't "Americans" because they live, own property, and pay taxes in the United States.

Residency of military personnel is a different matter. They can maintain a "permanent residency" in another state, but they still have to pay property taxes in the state in which they currently reside. They have special dispensation on this matter. They can't register to vote in two states and they don't pay income taxes in both states.

People who have multiple residences have ONE official residence. Emanuel leased his "residence" to another family. Meaning he didn't live there, meaning he didn't "reside" there even part-time (as he has claimed). Emanuel is clearly gaming the system and he should be challenged on it.

Furthermore, Illinois municipal code requires that anyone running for a municipal office had to "reside" in the city in which they are running for at least one full year. Rahmbo's own tax 2009 tax returns state that he was only a "part-time" resident.

This is a valid issue.

ETA: With regard to the GOP not running a candidate, I concur, with reservation. Chicago is a dump. It is failing and bankrupt whomever "inherits" the mayor's mansion is going to have a titanic mess to clean up. Maybe somebody in the GOP realized that becoming mayor is only going to be a bad thing for the Party. Almost all the aldermen are still loony-leftists, they will fight tooth-and-nail any proposal that will have any hope of improving the city. Unless there were a GOP surge and they took the entire thing, any Republican mayor would be screwed. And you know damn well who the media will side with when it comes to placing blame. Hell, the newsies still let Obongo get away with his blame Bush first, "I inherited a mess" fiction.

[CarlosDJackal]

Rahm is a resident? He was on TV every day in Washington and did his announcement of running for mayor from his office in DC and he's a resident of Chicago?

What happened to the rule of law?

B_C

Residency does not necessarily relate to where you are currently physically living. Just like Soldiers deployed overseas or are stationed at a base outside of their State of Residency; they maintain whatever State they declare (and will take them) as their Official State of Residency.

In most cases you must meet certain criteria to maintain residency at a state (IE: A physical address, home ownership, paying that state's taxes, etc.). Now if Rahm had officially changed his residency to Washington, DC and was no longer maintaining a physical address or paying IL state taxes; that would be a different story.