View Full Version : Russians sure like their EOTechs...
RogerinTPA
12-28-10, 19:22
Interesting article and Vid on Military.com Kitup. I wonder if they're knock offs.
http://kitup.military.com/2010/12/spetznazfsb-sure-like-their-eotechs.html
I'm sure they're real, heck I'd be willing to be a few got picked up in 08... Zing
Business_Casual
12-28-10, 19:46
Off-set much?
So does this mean the ak purists will be falling over themselves to put eotechs on their guns now that the Russians use them?
GermanSynergy
12-28-10, 20:37
Interesting to see if these are actual L-3 EOTECHs or reverse engineered clones.
RogerinTPA
12-28-10, 20:47
Off-set much?
Right...I'm really diggin that chin weld.:eek:
Those people never really figured out the concept of a cheek weld.
And you know, I'm OK with that.
I'm not surprised they like eotechs.
If they are reverse engineered, I bet they don't have the red dot, only the ring. The Russians see everything as an area target.
:laugh:
Wow, I wonder if some of those are domestic targets, particularly the house that they make a hole with a tank and then finish it off with some explosives.
Running an AK to its potential, I think it's more important to have a good pair of gloves than a proper cheek weld. My hands just don't take all those rough communist edges well. :laugh:
I did just buy an Aimpoint R-1 at Midway on clearance which I think is destined for a good AK once I find one that is nicer than my WASR.
Wow, I wonder if some of those are domestic targets, particularly the house that they make a hole with a tank and then finish it off with some explosives.
There was some footage in the OP's link I recognized as being a very real operation I saw on liveleak. The liveleak video stated the operation was in Chechnya.
Off-set much?
No kidding. The dude at 0:30 seconds isn't even going to clear what's in front of him if he fires.
Oh, and was that guy at the end sporting a scorpion?
Pretty amazing how much firepower they used. Must have been some naughty naughty bad guys they were hunting.
Thomas M-4
12-29-10, 08:59
At 1:11 There is a PKM with a eotech but more interesting to me is the carry handle on the PKM I have never seen that design before.
I would much rather use ultimax rail with a aimpoint micro.
for the Ak's .
I can't imagine the Russians getting an export permit from US State Dept so to supply a unit they must have come up with knock-offs.
Also, I wonder why they don't mount the rds in front of the rear sight. It seems they still think of it like a conventional scope which needs to be close to the eye.
At 1:11 There is a PKM with a eotech but more interesting to me is the carry handle on the PKM I have never seen that design before.
It's a 6P41 Pecheneg LMG.
It's basically a PKM with a non-quick changable barrel for use as a one-man squad suppressive fire weapon. The barrel is ribbed and has a jacket around it.
....and it fires the big-ass 7.62x54R.:D
http://oplatsen.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/pecheneg.jpg
Thomas M-4
12-29-10, 16:16
Thanks Kal first time I have seen it:o
GermanSynergy
12-29-10, 17:39
Can't the Russians simply buy Aimpoints directly from Sweden, or is there some bad blood between the two nations?
I can't imagine the Russians getting an export permit from US State Dept so to supply a unit they must have come up with knock-offs.
Also, I wonder why they don't mount the rds in front of the rear sight. It seems they still think of it like a conventional scope which needs to be close to the eye.
No kidding. The dude at 0:30 seconds isn't even going to clear what's in front of him if he fires.
Oh, and was that guy at the end sporting a scorpion?
Pretty amazing how much firepower they used. Must have been some naughty naughty bad guys they were hunting.
Probably a KLIN or KEDR subguns, built by Izmash. The Russians haven't used Czech hardware since the Warsaw Pact had a going out of business sale 20 years ago.
Business_Casual
12-29-10, 20:23
What is the LAW-type weapon, Tim?
B_C
What is the LAW-type weapon, Tim?
B_C
RPG-18, lightweight throw-away, very similar to the LAW.
Cool video; hard men. Isnt one of their ROE's "When in doubt, empty magazine." :D
russian eotech reticle, lol.:laugh:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5129/5305421696_aa0e262aae.jpg
Complication
12-29-10, 21:35
russian eotech reticle, lol.:laugh:
That's painted-on, right?
Russian optical setups weird me out.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqLm5BwWLd-ww2s2SAa9l2GwrJmeYEtWtJoZoOEJgo-CIDfptZ
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIIBzRB6iDLZSj2Lzy8gN5HM30NC77f0hwBDMipDGGwGyIIlhR85WMz3juHg
Complication
12-29-10, 21:46
Does anyone know why those off-sets are so dramatic? Is it cheaper/easier to manufacture scope attachments like that than something set lower? Or is it a product of the gun? Or is it simply how they did it in the old days and the Ruskies are slow catching up?
The Russians always want to see their iron sights.
I don't know why, every time I see them shooting, they're not using them.
The Russians can certainly put out an extremely rugged, practical weapon, but their training and tactics are light years behind ours. Completely different doctrine.
I should just step off of my soap box before my anti-Russian rant gets really wound up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Funny%20stuff/Spetsnaz.jpg
Complication
12-29-10, 21:56
The Russians always want to see their iron sights.
Is that because their optics always go TU? ;)
RogerinTPA
12-29-10, 22:32
It's a 6P41 Pecheneg LMG.
It's basically a PKM with a non-quick changable barrel for use as a one-man squad suppressive fire weapon. The barrel is ribbed and has a jacket around it.
....and it fires the big-ass 7.62x54R.:D
http://oplatsen.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/pecheneg.jpg
Good info Kal. Never saw that variation before.
russian eotech reticle, lol.:laugh:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5129/5305421696_aa0e262aae.jpg
Looks eerily similar to the reticle in the knock offs SMG Lee posted about in a warning from EOTech.
Probably a KLIN or KEDR subguns, built by Izmash. The Russians haven't used Czech hardware since the Warsaw Pact had a going out of business sale 20 years ago.
I was thinking (on the guy at 1:55) SR-3 Vikhr or AS "Val" with its supressor dismounted, but you are probably right. Good call.
That's painted-on, right?
Looks eerily similar to the reticle in the knock offs SMG Lee posted about in a warning from EOTech.
I made it on microsoft paint, to depict the Russian way of treating all threats, close and far, as "area targets". :sarcastic:
oh and I just want to throw this in and that's it.:sarcastic:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Spetsnaz-Mission-Accomplished.jpg
RogerinTPA
12-29-10, 23:24
You got me, but forget that, you are here by put on notice for using more that one smiley in a single post.:p
I made it on microsoft paint, to depict the Russian way of treating all threats, close and far, as "area targets". :sarcastic:
oh and I just want to throw this in and that's it.:sarcastic:
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Spetsnaz-Mission-Accomplished.jpg
The Moscow Theater hostage crisis was a perfect example of the Russian attitude, training, and tactics.
They had to kill those hostages in order to save them!
The Beslan School crisis is another example.
RogerinTPA
12-30-10, 19:05
The Moscow Theater hostage crisis was a perfect example of the Russian attitude, training, and tactics.
They had to kill those hostages in order to save them!
The Beslan School crisis is another example.
Agreed. If they have to kill every hostage to kill the terrorist, then so be it.
Bolt_Overide
12-30-10, 23:48
The problem with spetz is, they are too busy learning ninja flips and combat rolls to learn target discrimination.
I'm still trying to figure out why they use EOtechs when they have a variety of their own to choose from.
They got Kobras, and some of those PK-somethings, lol.
RogerinTPA
12-31-10, 09:25
Simple, they are trying to duplicate what most of our SOF uses or used to use, to great effect.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Funny%20stuff/Spetsnaz.jpg
According to a reliable source, the only reason they are even able to do these remarkable jumping feats is because of regular Prisyadki dancing as children.
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