GEN 4 GLOCK SPRING CHART

[Ga Shooter]

I had an idea. After reading many threads on the Gen 4 and especially after Mr. Vicker's status report thread I think it would be a good idea to make a chart with pictures of the different springs and slides of the G4 series from Glock. If it were done and made a sticky it might cut down on some of the confusion and questions being asked so many times.

[021411]

That would help me tremendously. I've been out of the Glock game for two years and don't what revisions were made. All these numbered springs and slide revisions are giving me a slight headache. It's nothing I can't spend an hour or two researching but having it all on one page would help.

[Alpha Sierra]

With my compliments to fellow member CoolBreeze, who sent me this, here you are gents:

PS, according to him, this came directly from Glock tech support.


GLOCK RECOIL SPRING ASSEMBLY (RSA) PART NUMBERS FOR GEN4 PISTOLS
11-20-10 - Glock now offers 6 different Gen4 RSAs for our Gen4 pistols
1st Model Gen4 G17 (still current & in production now, on into 2011)
· SP 08692 – RSA for “Variant 1” Gen4 17 with flat-back slide-nose-ring.
· Use in Gen4 G17 pistols serial # prefixes “PFB, PMN, PMP, PMR, PMS, PPM, PPP, PPR, PPS”, etc.
· For all Gen 4 G17 serial # prefixes prior to but not including “PUN”.
· SP 08692 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2 1”
2nd Model Gen4 G17 (when avaiilable),& all Gen4 G34
· SP 08284 – RSA for “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 & G34 that have a “chamfer” or “counterbore” around the
nose-ring-hole inside the slide (like a G26 or G27).
· Use in Gen4 G17 pistols with serial # prefix “PUN” & later, & all Gen4 G34 pistols.
· NOTE: One small batch of serial # prefix “PUN” Gen4 G17 pistols was run for the commercial market (not
LE), to test the new SP 08284 RSA for Gen4 G17 & Gen4 G34 pistols.
· “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 pistols are not currently in production as of 1120-18-10.
· Do NOT use the SP 08284 in Gen4 G17 pistols with serial #s prior to “PUN”.
· SP 08284 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2”
1st model Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37
· SP 08694 – RSA for “Variant 1” Gen4 22 & Gen4 G37 with flat-back slide-nose-ring.
· Use in Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 with serial # prefix “PCG” & other serial # prefixes prior to “PUN”.
· SP 08694 is marked on the rear flange: “0 1 1”
2nd model Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37, & all Gen4 G31 & Gen4 G35 models.
· SP 07577 – RSA for “Variant 2” Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 pistols that have a “chamfer” or “counterbore”
around the nose-ring-hole inside the slide (like a G26 or G27), & all Gen4 G31
& Gen4 G35.
· Use in Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 with serial # prefix PUN & later, & all Gen4 G31 & Gen4 G35 models.
· Do NOT use the SP 07577 in Gen4 G22 & Gen4 G37 pistols with serial #s prior to “PUN”.
· SP 07577 is marked on the rear flange: - “0 1”
ALL Gen4 G19
· SP 08703 – RSA for all Gen4 G19 pistols.
· Standard on all G19s beginning with serial # prefix “RCY” on 11-03-10.
· Available as Spare Parts about 11-20-10.
· SP 08703 is marked on the rear flange: “0 4”

[Ga Shooter]

Thanks Alpha that is great info!! I think it should be a sticky and updated as other springs if/when they become available.

[Swatieson]

What about this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/zoti/2aa11cd1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/zoti/bde63726.jpg

Seen this in GT forums.

[javentre]

What about this:

It was covered above:

1st Model Gen4 G17 (still current & in production now, on into 2011)
[snip]
· SP 08692 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2 1”

[jh9]

1st Model Gen4 G17 (still current & in production now, on into 2011)
· SP 08692 – RSA for “Variant 1” Gen4 17 with flat-back slide-nose-ring.
· Use in Gen4 G17 pistols serial # prefixes “PFB, PMN, PMP, PMR, PMS, PPM, PPP, PPR, PPS”, etc.
· For all Gen 4 G17 serial # prefixes prior to but not including “PUN”.
· SP 08692 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2 1”
2nd Model Gen4 G17 (when avaiilable),& all Gen4 G34
· SP 08284 – RSA for “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 & G34 that have a “chamfer” or “counterbore” around the
nose-ring-hole inside the slide (like a G26 or G27).
· Use in Gen4 G17 pistols with serial # prefix “PUN” & later, & all Gen4 G34 pistols.
· NOTE: One small batch of serial # prefix “PUN” Gen4 G17 pistols was run for the commercial market (not
LE), to test the new SP 08284 RSA for Gen4 G17 & Gen4 G34 pistols.
· “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 pistols are not currently in production as of 1120-18-10.
· Do NOT use the SP 08284 in Gen4 G17 pistols with serial #s prior to “PUN”.
· SP 08284 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2”

Well, that's clear as mud. My Gen4 17 is a PFE prefix ("variant 1") with a flat "nose-ring-hole" (no counterbore) and shipped with an unmarked recoil spring assembly that caused feeding issues. When I called Glock, they specifically asked me if the slide was "flat or beveled" and promptly sent me two "0-2" marked RSAs which, according to the information provided, aren't to be used with my 17. :confused:

They seem to run fine, but with only a couple hundred rounds through the gun, that's hardly indicative of anything. Also, on disassembly, it either falls out or requires a crowbar to remove (with very little in-between). I assume this is the reason for the metal cap on the "0-2-1" assembly.

I'd be very interested in why the "0-2" assembly isn't supposed to be used with guns that don't have a counterbored slide since that's what I'm currently doing.

[Appalachian]

Good info, nice to have it consolidated. As an aside, this is why Im sticking with the Gen 3s, I moved away from 1911s because of this very reason (need spring x with this, but if you use xy then you have to switch to z which will affect x again):fie:

But it all goes toward general knowledge, I had no idea there were so many factory options. Thanks for the roll up.

[Swatieson]

For your information, I have a G17 serial # starting with PW and it comes with the beveled slide and the "0 2" RSA.

I understand "0 2 1" RSA is a backup solution for the 1st variant. Am I right?

[jh9]

Good info, nice to have it consolidated. As an aside, this is why Im sticking with the Gen 3s, I moved away from 1911s because of this very reason (need spring x with this, but if you use xy then you have to switch to z which will affect x again):fie:

But it all goes toward general knowledge, I had no idea there were so many factory options. Thanks for the roll up.

Well, the previous option was one spring for too many models. With all that entailed...

TANSTAAFL

[Alpha Sierra]

I understand "0 2 1" RSA is a backup solution for the 1st variant. Am I right?
It is a running change to fix both the issues of the original and 02 springs on pistols with the non-counterbored, original slide design.

[Alpha Sierra]

Well, that's clear as mud. My Gen4 17 is a PFE prefix ("variant 1") with a flat "nose-ring-hole" (no counterbore) and shipped with an unmarked recoil spring assembly that caused feeding issues. When I called Glock, they specifically asked me if the slide was "flat or beveled" and promptly sent me two "0-2" marked RSAs which, according to the information provided, aren't to be used with my 17. :confused:

They seem to run fine, but with only a couple hundred rounds through the gun, that's hardly indicative of anything. Also, on disassembly, it either falls out or requires a crowbar to remove (with very little in-between). I assume this is the reason for the metal cap on the "0-2-1" assembly.

I'd be very interested in why the "0-2" assembly isn't supposed to be used with guns that don't have a counterbored slide since that's what I'm currently doing.
I am in the same boat as you.

The original, unmarked spring is both too stiff and gets hung up on the guide rod hole. That's what it did on mine.

Based on the chronology that I've been able to figure, the 02 spring was designed as a replacement for the original spring. It has a lighter rate than the unmarked spring to fix the FTEs that were plaging the 17 Gen 4. However the design of the front of the spring is identical between the unmarked and 02 spring, meaning that the 02 spring still gets hung up in the slide when taking down the pistol.

Evidently, Glock took a two-step approach to fix the spring jam issue: they added a counterbore to the inside of the guide rod hole to give the 02 spring a place to rest without getting stuck on the ID of the hole and made that "variant 2" of the G17 design. Then, to fix the variant 1 stuck spring issue, they designed the 021 spring with the metal cup at the front to keep the tip of the coils out of the guide rod hole and not have to recall the slides to be counterbored.

IMO, they should have just replaced the 02 and original springs with the 021, left the slide's guide rod hole alone, and everything would work.

Bottom line, if you have a non-counterbored guide rod hole in your Gen4 G17, you need the 021 spring. If you do have a counterbored guide rod hole, then you need the 02.

Personally, the 02 spring fixed my G17's rare FTEs but still was a PITA to remove off the gun. So I started running a Glockmeister replacement spring. As soon as I became aware of the 021 spring, I called Glock to order one and I am waiting for it.

As soon as I receive it, I will wring it out at the range and if it works as advertised and proves itself function-wise, it will stay in the gun and the Glockmeister spring will just be a spare.

[Alpha Sierra]

What about this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/zoti/2aa11cd1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/zoti/bde63726.jpg

Seen this in GT forums.

That metal cup at the tip of the spring assembly is what Glock should have done in the first place. That would have prevented all the spring stuck/lockup issues. On top of that, they should have provided that spring assembly with spring rates optimized for each caliber.

If those two common-sense items had been done from the start, the Gen 4s would have come out of the gate with the same reliability as every other Glock before it.

[spr1]

Glock sure created a configuration management nightmare for themselves with the Gen4......

[RAM Engineer]

Glock sure created a configuration management nightmare for themselves with the Gen4......

Which is ironic since that's exactly what they were trying to avoid with a single recoil spring assembly.

[Littlelebowski]

Anybody got a pic of the counterbore?

[Alpha Sierra]

Anybody got a pic of the counterbore?

Original Gen4 slide on the left, counterbored Gen 4 slide on the right

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/556pics/slides.jpg

[dc202]

I am replacing the OEM G22 Gen 4 spring with the Glockmeister setup after hearing of broken springs in earlier production (no counterbore) G22s. I had no functioning problems but the idea of a spring breaking when you need the gun most is very scary.

[Swatieson]

So is "Variant 2" configuration the one they are going to continue producing?

[Alpha Sierra]

So is "Variant 2" configuration the one they are going to continue producing?
Evidently, based on the wording of that letter.

G17 Variant 2: counterbored slide + 02 spring.

G22 variant 2: counterbored slide + 01 spring.

[DrewH]

What I got out of it was Glock would continue to produce the "Variant 1" (no counterboring) with the "0 2 1" marked SP 08692 springs...although on re-reading it maybe they were introducing the 021 as a stop gap until production of the Variant 2s? I found the letter confusingly written.


11-20-10 - Glock now offers 6 different Gen4 RSAs for our Gen4 pistols
...
1st Model Gen4 G17 (still current & in production now, on into 2011)
...
· SP 08692 – RSA for “Variant 1” Gen4 17 with flat-back slide-nose-ring.
· SP 08692 is marked on the rear flange: “0 2 1”
...
· “Variant 2” Gen4 G17 pistols are not currently in production as of 1120-18-10.

G19 production would have counterbored slides and "04" marked springs. (Note my G19 has gone 1500 rounds with no malfuctions on the 03 spring).


ALL Gen4 G19
· SP 08703 – RSA for all Gen4 G19 pistols.
· Standard on all G19s beginning with serial # prefix “RCY” on 11-03-10.
· Available as Spare Parts about 11-20-10.
· SP 08703 is marked on the rear flange: “0 4”

[TROPICS]

I purchased a glock 17 gen4 today and the rsa on it is marked 0 2 3....i havnt seen any info on it

[ryu_sekai]

Just bought a Gen 4 34, spring is 0 2 4. Is this the latest spring?

[viperashes]

It seems as if that is probably the case. It's good to remember that a large part of R&D is identifying issues that arise from the consumer market. I'm sure that Glock is running all sorts of R&D trials to narrow down the factors that are affecting malfunctions in early variant Gen 4 guns. From what I've read in this thread, and through deductive reasoning, it seems that Glock is basically running a blind beta program with the guns that are already on the consumer market. If you notice a few posts up, it showed that the second variant guns were originally debuted as LE guns, so, blue box.

My somewhat educated guess would be that a blind beta, which may seem like BS to us consumers, is actually at this point, with so many Gen 4 guns out on the market already, in the best interest for Glock. A lot of companies do this kind of beta testing, we just don't hear about it. You can R&D all day, but if you don't have input from an unbiased test sample, it's tainted evidence.

The issues being seen in Gen4 Glocks are going to start to decrease, gradually, as development continues. It sucks that so many are having issues, but judging from the fact that, for a while, Glock's CS got pretty bad, and that they're starting to get back to what they once were, I think they are getting pretty close to fixing most issues.

[spr1]

From the outside looking in, it appears that Glock made a product strategy decision based on tactical considerations, i.e. to redesign the 9mm guns to match the .40's to save the $250K of injection molding tool cost to make the backstrap, texture and mag release changes to a frame that retained the gen 3 recoil spring assembly proven to work so well in 9mm.
I would imagine that all of their testing, part replacement, lost sales, etc. has now cost them far more than that.

[ck1]

This thread is making my head hurt, think I'm sticking with the Gen3's.

Seems it turns out that it may actually be easier living with a known-to-be-high-maintance 9mm 1911 than a Gen4 Glock considering the drama of having to follow this ever developing RSA saga and/or changing out parts to get them to work right... that's f'ed up.

Maybe I'll get a Gen4 once new RSA's stop showing up every month or so...

[DaveR]

This is not mine, did a search and found it.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g466/darock2/Gltech/GlockRecoilSpringsweb.jpg

Don't have a Gen 4 so I don't know it it's outdated by now. Some of you Gen 4 owners would know.

Dave

[spr1]

What a nightmare that chart is from so many perspectives.

[mizer67]

There's now an "0 2 4" spring for the Gen4 G17 as well.

[spr1]

Will the "0 2 27" spring assembly be a single flat wire spring on on polymer guide rod?

[platoonDaddy]

This is not mine, did a search and found it.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g466/darock2/Gltech/GlockRecoilSpringsweb.jpg

Don't have a Gen 4 so I don't know it it's outdated by now. Some of you Gen 4 owners would know.

Dave

Sad to state it is outdated, the springs from Glock just keep rolling out and they haven't correct the issues for many.

[TiroFijo]

My God... how they managed to crap on a fantastically reliable and simpler design such as the G17 Gen3.

[nickdrak]

My 27/June/2011 test fire dated blue label Gen4 G17 came with RSA # 0-3-2 (numbers in counter clockwise order starting at 9 o'clock). I believe that there has been a new RSA released after the 0-3-2 though:(

ETA: JUST got off the phone with Glock tech support. The newest revision RSA for the Gen4 G17 is now 0-4-2 (numbers starting counter clockwise from 9 o'clock). They are shipping one out to me to replace the 0-3-2 in my RSWxxx prefix serial numbered "blue label" Gen4 G17 which was originally test fired on 27/June/2011.

[TiroFijo]

I'm confused,

How many revisions for the G17 Gen4 recoil spring by now?

The slide recess is the old or the new version of the G17 Gen4?

Are all springs usable in both (recess or not) versions?

Finally, have all problems been solved by now, or the endless beta testing continues?

[C4IGrant]

HOLY SMOKES! There is a spring chart??????? WTF???????????? :jester:


C4

[Terry]

For 9mm Glocks.
Sad.

[VLODPG]

This thread is making my head hurt, think I'm sticking with the Gen3's.

Seems it turns out that it may actually be easier living with a known-to-be-high-maintance 9mm 1911 than a Gen4 Glock considering the drama of having to follow this ever developing RSA saga and/or changing out parts to get them to work right... that's f'ed up.

Maybe I'll get a Gen4 once new RSA's stop showing up every month or so...


Gen 2 & Gen 3 G17's here! No problems

Also have 2 Pre 80 series Colt Commanders in 9mm. No problems

Glocks Gen4 revisions are a nightmare I will pass on!

[moonshot]

Glad my Glocks are all prior to Gen4. They really dropped the ball on this one.

[jonconsiglio]

I have three springs for my early Gen 4 17. One with no mark, another marked 0-2 and another marked 0-2-1 which has the recess for a better fit since my slide is not updated.

I never had more than 2 or 3 issues with the unmarked spring. I've had thousands of trouble free rounds with the 0-2 and 0-2-1 springs.

[nickdrak]

I'm confused,

Trust me, you're not the only one!


How many revisions for the G17 Gen4 recoil spring by now? Five or six by my count


The slide recess is the old or the new version of the G17 Gen4? The "counter-bore" to the slides is on the newer Gen4's


Are all springs usable in both (recess or not) versions? No.


Finally, have all problems been solved by now, or the endless beta testing continues? Not yet....

The rep I spoke to today said he "hopes" the new 0-4-2 RSA corrects any issues I was having. Not very confidence inspiring:(

[spr1]

Remember when you could pull a Glock out of the box, slap on the sights of your choice, and Vickers mag release, lube it and it would just work. And, you knew it would work, and every round fired was just further confirmation that it could be trusted.
Now, not so much........
I spent 1200 rounds trying to "understand" my Gen4, thinking, this is just f*€#ing retarded.

[platoonDaddy]

Received my new 02-4 RSA today from Glock:

From left to right: 02 (notice nicks), 02-1, 02-4

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad176/slickville/002-5.jpg

From left to right: 02, 02-1, 02-4 notice the difference in the ends

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad176/slickville/004-4.jpg

02-4 - Don't know the technical terms, but the 02-4 has two solid bars (for lack of a better word) running at 12 & 6 o'clock. Blow up this picture, the bar is about 1/4" wide and running under the length of the outer spring. (I am sure the more technical people will append the correct wording)

http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad176/slickville/006.jpg

Note: mine came with the '02" RSA, therefore don't have picture of the original RSA for G17's. Also never tested or received the 02-3 RSA.

[Doxiedad]

So basically it sounds like getting a Gen 4 9mm Glock is a bad idea right now? I've got a Gen 3 G22 and G27 that have been problem free. Guess I'll look at a Gen 3 G17 or G19

[C4IGrant]

So basically it sounds like getting a Gen 4 9mm Glock is a bad idea right now? I've got a Gen 3 G22 and G27 that have been problem free. Guess I'll look at a Gen 3 G17 or G19

Get an older GEN 3 (used).


C4

[MP9]

Get an older GEN 3 (used).

C4

Are the new glock gen3 having issue too? I read somewhere else but no sure
I have a g19 gen4, no issues, just 1 FTE at IDPA once . almost 1200 rounds so far.. so no bad. RSA 0-4.

I read there is a 0-4-3 for g19, is that right? I thought the springs for g19 were like 0-2 0-3 0-4..

[dialM4murder]

Are the new glock gen3 having issue too?

They have the same extractors as the gen 4's, which seem to cause erratic extraction. Ill be replacing mine with lone wolf models.

[C4IGrant]

Are the new glock gen3 having issue too? I read somewhere else but no sure
I have a g19 gen4, no issues, just 1 FTE at IDPA once . almost 1200 rounds so far.. so no bad. RSA 0-4.

I read there is a 0-4-3 for g19, is that right? I thought the springs for g19 were like 0-2 0-3 0-4..

They seem to have extraction issues (hit and miss).

Read 3958's post: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1089949&posted=1#post1089949


C4

[Dave-HuldraArms]

So basically it sounds like getting a Gen 4 9mm Glock is a bad idea right now? I've got a Gen 3 G22 and G27 that have been problem free. Guess I'll look at a Gen 3 G17 or G19

Knock on wood, but I have a gen4 17 that came with 0-2 spring that has been running great. I ran into my Glock rep who got me a 0-2-4 spring and that has also been running just fine in it. I know two other guys on our team also have gen 4 17's (unsure what springs) that have been running fine. So far we have atleast 2000 rounds each in practice this summer, I am close to 4,000 rounds on mine and it has been used as a demo when I teach and been through two pistol classes and one carbine class.

For me I really like the ergo's of the gen 4 and made the difference to me. Extractor has been fine so far, wish the mag release was a little more extended though.

Dave

[MP9]

I found this in another forum..

Chart (http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab352/fuzzytheman/Guns/GlockRSA.jpg)


My glock 19 gen 4 has the RSA 0-4 , just 1 stovepipe at IDPA and had another stovepipe at range while shooting from retention and the t-shirt barely touch the slide.. almost 1200 rounds so far..

so I was wondering if I should get the new RSA 0 4 3 or keep the 0-4 ?

to rack the slide is harder than with my m&p9. so not sure if call glock to get the new one or keep it. is the 0 4 3 less hard than the 0 4?

[Nephrology]

Here is the image and email I recieved from GLOCK USA -


Dear GLOCK Armorer:

On September 6, 2011, GLOCK Inc. will begin voluntarily exchanging the recoil spring assembly (RSA) on its new Gen4 pistols shipped since 2009 GLOCK’s product development team has modified various elements of the RSA to ensure each pistol’s performance meets the company’s demanding standards. With several variations of the RSA in the market today, GLOCK’s goal with this voluntary exchange is to standardize the RSA to gain the best possible performance in each pistol.
Armorers should note that Gen4 G26 and G27 models will not require a modified recoil spring.
The new RSA’s all have unique markings on the base of the part. The enclosed chart is designed to help you readily identify the correct RSA for your pistol.
Unless a directive is mandated by your agency or your store, the replacement of the Gen4 pistol’s RSA can be performed as part of the regular field-strip process. Agencies or Consumer’s wishing to participate in the exchange program at no charge are urged to call 1-877-745-8523 to order their new RSA.
For more information on the details of the exchange program, visit www.TEAMGLOCK.com.


http://i.imgur.com/CdvrZ.jpg

[Nephrology]

I found this in another forum..

Chart (http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab352/fuzzytheman/Guns/GlockRSA.jpg)


My glock 19 gen 4 has the RSA 0-4 , just 1 stovepipe at IDPA and had another stovepipe at range while shooting from retention and the t-shirt barely touch the slide.. almost 1200 rounds so far..

so I was wondering if I should get the new RSA 0 4 3 or keep the 0-4 ?

to rack the slide is harder than with my m&p9. so not sure if call glock to get the new one or keep it. is the 0 4 3 less hard than the 0 4?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That said, call and ask for a replacement and inform them that you want to keep your RSA just in case.

[alank2]

Hi,

So how did they go from one part for recessed and one part for non-recessed to a single part for both?

I simply can't believe what Glock has done to themselves. They went from having practically the most bulletproofed 9mm's on the planet to this debacle. Unreal.

Good luck,

Alan

[PLCedeno]

Hi,

So how did they go from one part for recessed and one part for non-recessed to a single part for both?

I simply can't believe what Glock has done to themselves. They went from having practically the most bulletproofed 9mm's on the planet to this debacle. Unreal.

Good luck,

Alan

Good question, i would think they will go to the original slide set-up without the recess since cutting it out is just an extra costly step. It would seem the first variant Gen 4's may be the the same as the new? Time will tell. They will be providing envelopes with return postge for any old RSA.

[DaveR]

Nephrology, thanks for posting that chart.

Although my Glocks are older Gen 3, when I was hearing about Gen 4 problems I wondered if it was just a case of a few people talking while all the other ones were happy. Now I know the Gen 4 has problems.

I'm with you, alank2. I just hope Glock doesn't screw up their products or customer service anymore than they have. It's not too late for them to recover from this.

Dave

[VT RAIDER]

While I have not any issues with my Gen 4 Glocks, there were many others that did. Glock has officially announced a recoil-spring-exchange program.

http://www.teamglock.com/customer-service/recoil-spring-exchange

[Trajan]

Good question, i would think they will go to the original slide set-up without the recess since cutting it out is just an extra costly step. It would seem the first variant Gen 4's may be the the same as the new? Time will tell. They will be providing envelopes with return postge for any old RSA.

My Gen 4 17 test fired 4-20-11 is non-counterbored, so who knows.

Not sure if I want to exchange my 0-2-1, I've had no problems.

[alank2]

Hi,


I'm with you, alank2. I just hope Glock doesn't screw up their products or customer service anymore than they have. It's not too late for them to recover from this.

I have been a Glock fan for a long time. Simplicity, durability, reliability have always made me a fan before the Gen4 issues.

I wonder if they will announce an ejector replacement program for all the bad mim 9mm ejectors that are giving people fits too.

I hope they get their act together and solve these issues before it haunts them long term.

Good luck,

Alan

[Freerunner]

I found this in another forum..

Chart (http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab352/fuzzytheman/Guns/GlockRSA.jpg)


My glock 19 gen 4 has the RSA 0-4 , just 1 stovepipe at IDPA and had another stovepipe at range while shooting from retention and the t-shirt barely touch the slide.. almost 1200 rounds so far..

so I was wondering if I should get the new RSA 0 4 3 or keep the 0-4 ?

to rack the slide is harder than with my m&p9. so not sure if call glock to get the new one or keep it. is the 0 4 3 less hard than the 0 4?

Just bought a brand new Gen 4 G19, and out of the box has the 0 4 3 RSA. I took it to the range yesterday to shoot it, and after the 25th round got a stove pipe. I also had a shell casing to my face 1 out of every 4 rounds. I was using Winchester White box 115 gr 9mm rounds from Walmart.

I talked to Glock this morning, they are having me send the whole pistol in for review. They told me this was their lasted spring upgrade, and they were very concerned that I was having problems. They want to examine the problem in person.

I was aware that Gen 4 Glocks had issues in the beginning, but after researching the latest reviews online I thought they had it fixed and the Gen 4 was ready to go. I went ahead and pulled the trigger and got one, but it looks like they are still having issues. I asked Glock if they could just make the Gen 4 Glock with the Gen 3 slide and RSA, and they told me that they are sticking with the Gen 4 mold, and that they will only be fixing the Gen 4 spring until they get it right.

[C4IGrant]

Just bought a brand new Gen 4 G19, and out of the box has the 0 4 3 RSA. I took it to the range yesterday to shoot it, and after the 25th round got a stove pipe. I also had a shell casing to my face 1 out of every 4 rounds. I was using Winchester White box 115 gr 9mm rounds from Walmart.

I talked to Glock this morning, they are having me send the whole pistol in for review. They told me this was their lasted spring upgrade, and they were very concerned that I was having problems. They want to examine the problem in person.

I was aware that Gen 4 Glocks had issues in the beginning, but after researching the latest reviews online I thought they had it fixed and the Gen 4 was ready to go. I went ahead and pulled the trigger and got one, but it looks like they are still having issues. I asked Glock if they could just make the Gen 4 Glock with the Gen 3 slide and RSA, and they told me that they are sticking with the Gen 4 mold, and that they will only be fixing the Gen 4 spring until they get it right.

So you have the latest model with the "Fix" and it is still having issues???


C4

[Freerunner]

So you have the latest model with the "Fix" and it is still having issues???


C4

According to the Glock Tech I talked to on the phone today, yes. The Gen 4 G19 I just received was on back order, and according to the place I bought it from, said this G19 was fresh off the assembly line from Glock.

[Freerunner]

Just bought a brand new Gen 4 G19, and out of the box has the 0 4 3 RSA. I took it to the range yesterday to shoot it, and after the 25th round got a stove pipe. I also had a shell casing to my face 1 out of every 4 rounds. I was using Winchester White box 115 gr 9mm rounds from Walmart.

I talked to Glock this morning, they are having me send the whole pistol in for review. They told me this was their lasted spring upgrade, and they were very concerned that I was having problems. They want to examine the problem in person.

I was aware that Gen 4 Glocks had issues in the beginning, but after researching the latest reviews online I thought they had it fixed and the Gen 4 was ready to go. I went ahead and pulled the trigger and got one, but it looks like they are still having issues. I asked Glock if they could just make the Gen 4 Glock with the Gen 3 slide and RSA, and they told me that they are sticking with the Gen 4 mold, and that they will only be fixing the Gen 4 spring until they get it right.

*Update*

I just found out that I will have a 4 to 6 week turn around to have the current problems fixed, so I called Glock back to ask them why it would take so long and what specifically they would be fixing. The person I talked to this time told me that they will be switching out the ejector. He said that this is the latest attempt to fix the issue (i.e. stove pipes and shell casings to the face). I guess the first person I talked to, did not want to tell me this. So if you are having issues, maybe you need to send your pistol in and have the ejector replaced. I will give everyone an update after this ejector swap and let you know if this does the trick or not.

Side Note: My ejector is numbered 336, the new one will be a different number. Glock Customer service rep told me that the new ejector will be on all new Gen 4 Glocks here soon.

[platoonDaddy]

The following was cut and pasted from the 3rd post of this thread, is the following still valid or did they move to another RSA?

ALL Gen4 G19
· SP 08703 – RSA for all Gen4 G19 pistols.
· Standard on all G19s beginning with serial # prefix “RCY” on 11-03-10.
· Available as Spare Parts about 11-20-10.
· SP 08703 is marked on the rear flange: “0 4”