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patriot_man
01-04-11, 04:18
Hey guys I'm in the search for an IFAK that has a cut away system. I am moving the location of my IFAK behind me and would like a cut away system to access it when injured. I have found that the draw of my handgun is hindered by my current location of my IFAK so I plan to move it behind me. Thanks
EDIT:
http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/product/Diamondback-Tacticalreg-Small-Cutaway-Platform-Platform-only,201,56.htm
I will be purchasing the diamond back cutaway platform. I won't have to get rid of my IFAK that I currently have so it works out.
We use the outstanding removable ATS medical pouch: http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/-strse-2395/MEDICAL-POUCH-SMALL/Detail.bok
patriot_man
01-04-11, 19:48
Thanks for the reply. I think the ATS product I just bought is quite similar except I use a pouch I already have.
I use the ATS pouch, and I absolutely love it.
When I was in Iraq in '08, I was doing some woodworking in my CHU (trailer), and managed to drill into the web of my hand. Stupid. I grabbed the removable IFAK and headed for the latrine trailer about 100m away, keeping direct pressure on the wound. After rinsing the worse of the sawdust out into the sink, I bound the wound and headed over to wake the PA up to continue cleaning it and patch it back together.
I found the removable feature very, very useful, in that I could move away from my armor with basic medical supplies. My thought on these is that they are an excellent way to carry equipment designed to treat other people - but should not be the only way of carrying the stuff you will use to save your own life. A tourniquet or two on your person, along with a battle dressing of some sort, should ALWAYS be available in case you are doing self-aid. Don't rely on medical supplies placed on your back, or anywhere else you cannot reach them with both hands.
We have some local docs that love the ATS pouch because they can just take the kits off their mates and do inventory/swap/refill. They just have extra pouches that are already filled so no one is ever without a med pouch.
Some other guys are mounting those ****ers inside vehicles.
One huge advantage over the Diamondback product is the ability to just slap it back on the velcro platform and snap a buckle, instead of routing the cable back through, which is a bitch.
Since we're still throwing ideas out there, we use the Mojo break away med pouches from Combat Medical Systems for alternate location mounting
We have some local docs that love the ATS pouch because they can just take the kits off their mates and do inventory/swap/refill. They just have extra pouches that are already filled so no one is ever without a med pouch.
Some other guys are mounting those ****ers inside vehicles.
One huge advantage over the Diamondback product is the ability to just slap it back on the velcro platform and snap a buckle, instead of routing the cable back through, which is a bitch.
On a similar note, we have training kits identical to the 'live' kit. When we get ready to go on the range and do a self aid / buddy aid drill we simply pull off the 'live' kit and use the training kit. It's a great way to build muscle memory , familiarity with where contents are in the pouch. Finish the drill, and the training kit comes off the velcro panel, and the live kit goes back on.
We use the small ATS tear off.
It's also nice if you go to move the casualty, we just slap his kit back onto his armor. supplies don't get left on the ground.
How much stuff do you guys shove in that little pouch?
motorwerks
01-28-11, 18:55
Condor has one too...
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma41rip-awayemtpouch.aspx
PS I think they are under or around $20.00 in most places.
nikuraba29
05-31-11, 10:50
I used to roll with the ATS break away good piece of kit but now I use the BFG Trauma Kit now, in fact i have several of them on different pieces of kit. Easy one-handed operation, no zippers to open just kind of clam shells and can be stuffed back in its pouch when no longer needed or you have to move. Plus if you have to get up and move the stretchy bands hold your essentials quite secure.
S/F
29
Lead time's a bitch but good things come to those who wait.
http://jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=21
As others have said, alot easier to reattach than the DBT panel.
Gutshot John
05-31-11, 21:52
Maxpedition FIGHT Pouch.
motorwerks
06-01-11, 01:18
Lead time's a bitch but good things come to those who wait.
http://jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=21
As others have said, alot easier to reattach than the DBT panel.
I saw this one the other day..... I cant for the life of me figure out how to order the damn thing.
Anyone have experience with the Original SOE gear?
I got a great deal on a new SOE chest rig, now looking to add an aid kit and like the looks of their compact tear-off kit.
Thanks..................
titsonritz
06-01-11, 11:11
You can’t go wrong with an O.S.O.E. product. The vertical compact tear-off med pouch is perfect for smaller rigs and those tight on space. Another great option is the med tray that gets stuffed in a mag pouch. Both are very well thought out.
nikuraba29
06-01-11, 14:10
Just looked at OSOE's battle tray med kit (good suggestion Tits) and it looks really good for a minimalist FA set up. May be another poosibility on a different rig. Anybody use one of these yet?
S/F
29
i have a Diamondback Tactical medical pouch with a quick release platform and found it to be too bulky. I i used the plastic covered wire cable to secure my FAK to my kit by weaving it like a malice clip.
i now use a tactical tailor vertical E&E pouch, in it are 2 packages of combat gauze, an israeli, a nose hose w/ a small packet of surgilube, 2 HALO chest seals, and 2-14ga needles. i Keep my tournequet attatched to the front of my kit above my mags secured with velcro strap.
use a piece of 1" webbing and tape it to the wire to make a handle forming a T with the webbing and wire. you can also form a loop in your webbing for easier accessability. plastic encased wire cable at lowes is pretty cheap
http://www.tyrtactical.com/products/details/medical/sof-ifak-medical-pouch/
I got one like this. They make a few different sizes also.
I saw this one the other day..... I cant for the life of me figure out how to order the damn thing.
Call him. Best way to reach him. I had his business card around here somewhere, but cant seem to find it now. His number should be listed on the site under contact info. If not, PM me and I'll dig it up.
starlight_cdn
06-26-11, 07:13
My recommendation is is the CTOMS SLimline. (http://www.ctoms.ca/products/slimline?cat=3)
PROs
1. It takes up the same real estate as a double magazine pouch. You can carry more than enough med supplies in it.
2. Easy tear away system, the beaded handle comes from SCUBA emergency equipment and is easy to find in adverse lighting conditions and when only using tactile methods.
3. TQ pouch mounted on the outside to allow access to your secondary TQ....your primary TQ should be mounted centre o' mass.
4. It can be mounted horizontally or vertically.
5. Modular internals, so you are not stuck with someone else's loadout plan.
6. Designed in Canada, Made in the USA....Good things happen North Americans work together.
7. Comes in Multi-COOL-Cam (MC), Scorched Earth (BLK), Afghan House (CB), Huah Green (RG).....
CONS
1. Not cheap..but it is your IFAK.
Anyone have experience with the Original SOE gear?
I got a great deal on a new SOE chest rig, now looking to add an aid kit and like the looks of their compact tear-off kit.
Thanks..................
Yes, I own a OSOE tear-away IFAK. I wouldn't buy another one and I do not use it.
It's good quality and huge but it only attaches via velcro and I would prefer a fastex buckle or some other secondary attachment system.
Oh, and if you over load it, it balloons out making less contact with the Velcro panel (keep that in mind).
I saw this one the other day..... I cant for the life of me figure out how to order the damn thing.
He isn't making them right now. I sent him an email and he said that he has a huge workload with other products so i just had one custom made just like the Jones Tactical ones complete with red handle and all.
titsonritz
06-27-11, 00:25
Yes, I own a OSOE tear-away IFAK. I wouldn't buy another one and I do not use it.
It's good quality and huge but it only attaches via velcro and I would prefer a fastex buckle or some other secondary attachment system.
Oh, and if you over load it, it balloons out making less contact with the Velcro panel (keep that in mind).
Dave you probably have an older one, they were redesigned to include a retention strap with fastex buckle. If I am not mistaken you can buy the redesigned tear-off panel with the retention strap and use your existing med pouch. John is on Facebook; you should drop him a line if interested, like you said his shit is hella built.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Special-Operations-Equipment/372313363858
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae64/titsonritz/OSOETOIFAK.jpg
The compact horizontal and vertical tear-offs have fastex buckles in addition to the velcro.
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae64/titsonritz/OSOEMTOIFAK.jpg
John is on Facebook; you should drop him a line if interested, like you said his shit is hella built.
You are correct. It seems he did redesign them. To be honest, I gave up on OSOE about a year ago.
I don't care to go into detail but I've found new companies to do business with.
I know this is the "tear-away IFAK thread", but I'm currently using the Paraclete CANSOF med pouch on my vest and a HSGI bleeder pouch on my belt. I may try the ATS version in the future but I'm currently happy with my setup.
My recommendation is is the CTOMS SLimline. (http://www.ctoms.ca/products/slimline?cat=3)
I doubt the Slimline's ability to hold everything I'd like it to. Too... Slim. I wanted a CFAK forever and then they just discontinued it. I really do not understand their reasoning there, or their marketing. They seem to think that a single picture of the outside of a pouch is good enough to explain everything about its complex mounting system and "modular" innards. Im going to call them and see if they can still get me an original CFAK. I called months ago to inquire about M Harness leg straps for those of us who already had a compatible belt system and they seemed to be able to facilitate a semi-custom order such as that. We'll see.
Condor has one too...
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/ma41rip-awayemtpouch.aspx
PS I think they are under or around $20.00 in most places.
This is the one I am using.
What about the Specter Gear Rapid Release Individual First Aid Pouch (http://www.spectergear.com/578.htm)?
Looks like it is basically identical to the ATS Medical Pouch, except it doesn't have a bright red handle, it has a pocket for gloves on the front, and some extra velcro on front of the pouch for affixing a medical symbol.
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The compact horizontal and vertical tear-offs have fastex buckles in addition to the velcro.
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae64/titsonritz/OSOEMTOIFAK.jpg*Snip
I recently picked up one of the above pictured pouches in the horizontal config. I run it on my warbelt and so far i like it. I will say that I have not trained with it, but based off all the training I do have I don't forsee any issues. I like it because in the horizontal setup its about as tall as the belt and only sticks out maybe 2" its very compact but can also be loaded up. I only keep a pressure dressing and some combat gauze in mine.
I had to second this recomendation:
My recommendation is is the CTOMS SLimline. (http://www.ctoms.ca/products/slimline?cat=3)
PROs
1. It takes up the same real estate as a double magazine pouch. You can carry more than enough med supplies in it.
2. Easy tear away system, the beaded handle comes from SCUBA emergency equipment and is easy to find in adverse lighting conditions and when only using tactile methods.
3. TQ pouch mounted on the outside to allow access to your secondary TQ....your primary TQ should be mounted centre o' mass.
4. It can be mounted horizontally or vertically.
5. Modular internals, so you are not stuck with someone else's loadout plan.
6. Designed in Canada, Made in the USA....Good things happen North Americans work together.
7. Comes in Multi-COOL-Cam (MC), Scorched Earth (BLK), Afghan House (CB), Huah Green (RG).....
CONS
1. Not cheap..but it is your IFAK.
This is what I am running on my duty gear;
I keep my TQ on the front plate of my plate carrier, and use the TQ pouch for boo boo items. Inside I have
1) Quik Clot bandage
2) Occlusive dressing
3) packing gauze
4) Burn gel
5) Petroleum gauze
6) Israeli style bandage
7) triangle bandage
8) nasal pharangial (spelling?)
Seems to work great for me, right now I keep it attached at about the 8 ocklock position, the beads make it very easy to tear away and it stayed on just fine during some recent HS/LD training.
I too have the OSOE Compact. It works very well and the fastex buckle keeps it in place until I need it. It is easy to overstuffed and balloons out so you definitely have to prioritize. I've got Combat Gauze, Olaes, NPA, Cath, pair o'gloves, an a z-pack gauze inside, TQ and shears on the outside. I could put an Israeli or something rubber banded to the shears side if I wanted but that would increase the size.
Overall I like it, I keep it attached to the outside of my EDC backpack and it goes in my road box at work during the day. For my training setup I think I'll go with the CTOMS Slimline with Olaes, Quik Clot, z-pack, and TQ in the outside pocket.
nasal pharangial (spelling?)
Nasopharyngeal airway. Or just NPA. They arent exactly difficult to implement, although you always ought to be familiar with any of your equipment so.. Learn about your stuff, man. Also, anybody qualified to train you on one can insert an NPA on you! Its fun as shit. If yknow.. You like stuff like getting shot with LTLs for fun. If youre into that kind of stuff. Then its fun as hell.
Thanks PAX! I was on my blackberry so did not want to take the time to look up the correct spelling. I have used them several times in real life - unfotrunately most of my "patients" didn't make it. But they sure help with bag valve assisted CPR. For me they are a must in a trauma kit - you can use them on concious patients, which you can not with the oral variety.
By the way, that is the LAST time I try to type that much on a dang phone......
The CTOMS and ATS both look like they'll fit my needs as a civilian shooter in a training environment. I'm leaning towards the CTOMS, I like the external TQ pocket, but also like the look of the SORD pouch for something basic. Another option for those doing research: https://www.sordusa.com/product.php?productid=243&cat=87&page=1
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