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DMR
01-17-11, 12:24
Sadly I'm not going to be at SHOT this year working in the Mossberg Booth again. Sorry no AR products in this post.


They are finaly going to release something we have been working for a while:o the Mossberg FLEX
http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/FLEX_SYSTEM_SHEET_1024px.jpg

There are several vidios of it out now, but I don't know how to inbad them. Here is one from the NRA
Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV60OFwz4mQ&feature=player_embedded)
1/17/2012

The Mossberg Flex System (http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/the-Mossberg-flex-system-review) is a revolutionary new concept for accessorizing a Model 500 or 590 with stocks, fore-ends and recoil pads using its new Tool-less Locking System (TLS).

The fore-ends range from tactical railed fore-ends to various camouflage patterns so the Mossberg FLEX can be quickly configured for any application without the need of a tool.
Further adjust the length-of-pull by choosing a Flex System recoil pad, allowing for a more custom fit depending on shooting applications, amount of outerwear and stature of the shooter.

The Mossberg TLS locking devices are designed to withstand hard-use, whether in service on the front line or in the hunting fields. The stocks and fore-ends will be available in black and camouflage patterns, including Realtree Max 4 and Mossy Oak Infinity. Another important component of the FLEX system is Mossberg’s extensive selection of barrels, all of which fit Flex System models. They include short tactical barrels, vent rib skeet barrels, camouflaged waterfowl barrels and tight-choked turkey barrels.

The TLS in the FLEX stock consists of a half-moon shaped locking piece. It is flush fitting and slides into a recess in the wrist. To release the locking piece, pull it up and rotate it 90 degrees so it is perpendicular to the wrist. The latch is captured so it can’t be lost. Once that is done, the stock slides off to the rear. The rear of the receiver has a metal peg with six ridges that mates to corresponding recesses in the various FLEX system stocks. Six different stocks compatible with the FLEX system are available from Mossberg. They include fixed stocks in three different lengths-of-pull (14 ¼ , 13 ½ , 12 ½ inches); a six-position collapsible M4-style tactical stock with a separate pistol grip, a four-position hunting stock with an adjustable comb and a pistol grip without a stock in the style of the Mossberg Cruiser.

The fixed stocks and the four-position hunting stock also have an interchangeable recoil pad as part of Mossberg’s FLEX system. It can be removed by depressing two buttons on either side of the toe of the stock. To remove the recoil pad, press the buttons simultaneously with the thumb and forefinger and pull back on the recoil pad with the opposite hand. FLEX recoil pads are available in three different thicknesses, including small (¾ inch), medium (1 ¼ inch) and large (1 ½ inch). The FLEX recoil pads are made from a compressible synthetic material that helps cushion recoil.

The FLEX fore-end is something like a shell that attaches to an internal chassis. Flex fore-ends can be detached by pushing forward on the recessed button in the bottom of the fore-end. The top of the release button is dished so it is easier to manipulate. Once the button is pushed, the fore-end can be pulled down and off of its chassis. Two different types of fore-end are available for the FLEX system¾a standard model and a tactical model with three Picatinny rails and grooves for pressure pads to activate lights or lasers. The tactical model can also be fitted with a detachable “chainsaw” grip that aids a proper grip for breeching.

Mossberg’s goal with the FLEX was to create a modular system that was similar to what shooters can find in the AR-15-style rifle; wherein one lower receiver can provide a platform for a variety of special purpose uppers, such as tactical, varmint or rimfire. In much the same way, one FLEX shotgun receiver can serve as the basis for anything from a turkey gun to a deer gun or a pheasant gun. With most shotguns, it has always been easy to swap out barrels, but now with the FLEX system, stocks, fore-ends and buttpads can be swapped out without tools. One shotgun can be a turkey gun, a deer gun or a pheasant gun. With the tactical models in particular you can switch from a close-quarters shotgun to a breeching tool by swapping the collapsing stock for a pistol grip and adding a chainsaw grip to the fore-end and switching from a tactical barrel to one with a breeching muzzle. That’s not something that would need to be done on the fly, but it would certainly simplify the armorer’s job.

Mossberg representatives told me that the FLEX system adds about $60 to the price of a comparable 500 or 590. The idea is you’ll buy a Mossberg FLEX in one configuration and then buy alternate stocks, buttpads and fore-ends as accessories. Mossberg has developed its own line, but it is working with aftermarket suppliers who will develop stocks and fore-ends of their own that are compatible with the FLEX system.

I had a chance to try out the Mossberg FLEX at a shooting event in South Carolina last December. The Deer were uncooperative, but the pheasant and quail were numerous. Swapping out components proved to be very straightforward thanks to the well-thought-out Tool-less Locking System. The release buttons were very secure and preserved the natural lines of the gun, but most importantly, even though stocks and fore-ends and buttpads were swapped out frequently, the locking system betrayed no signs of looseness. From the beginning of the event to the end, the FLEX components remained tight. It appears to be a system with a lot of promise that is sure to go over well with shotgun enthusiasts, whether they are looking for a pump shotgun for hunting, competition or self-defense¾or especially if they looking for a shotgun to fulfill all of those needs.

Check out the video of the Mossberg FLEX being demonstrated at SHOT Show 2012.


That said I do have a couple of sneak peeks for the crew. If you have a chance swing by and talk to Mike Shain, AimPro (http://aimprotactical.com/)/Mossberg LE Service (http://mossbergle.com/)about the custom guns and mods below.

with the increasing interest in Mini Red dot sights I sent Mike a Trijicon RMR and an Insight MRDS so he could make some mounts for the Mossberg Line. Here are the results, I'm still waiting on mine so I can test it out. He is looking into making them availible for Remingtos, ect at a later date.
http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/930-MRDSweb.gif

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/MRDS-930-Mount-1web.gif

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/MRDS-930-Mount-2web.gif

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/MRDS-930-Mount-4web.gif

Next Mike has also designed fiber optic frount sights for the Mossberg line, to include one so you can place standard Mossberg GRS sights on a 930.
http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/930-Fiber-Optic-Frontweb.gif

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/930-Race-Gun-with-Fiber-Opt.gif

And for the 500/590 line
http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/Urban-Camo-Combat-with-Fibe.gif

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/Fiber-Optic-Ghost-Ringweb.gif

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/Fiber-Optic-Ghost-Ring-2web.gif
Photos by AimPro (http://aimprotactical.com/).

Aimpro is releasing a new sight at SHOT 12:
http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/ODSight1t.jpg

http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/BlkSideSaddleandSight1w.jpg

http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/20FDEwithRailSight3w.jpg

The front sight that goes with it and a breacher
http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/BlkFOFront1w.jpg


Tell Mike, "Robert sent you".

jaxman7
01-17-11, 18:04
Nice! Thanks for the info DMR.

-Jax

Suwannee Tim
01-12-12, 19:53
Where were these muzzle brakes designed? Paris or San Fransisco?

markm
01-13-12, 13:37
Where were these muzzle brakes designed? Paris or San Fransisco?

They look violent to me. :confused:

Suwannee Tim
01-13-12, 18:25
They look violent to me. :confused:

They look gay to me. That or French.

loganp0916
01-13-12, 18:48
They look gay to me. That or French.

Not much of a difference there

Dan Goodwin
01-14-12, 19:26
Good brake for diggin into wood doors,but would cut a chunk of breast meat out used as an AFB. Like the sights and rail, may overhaul a Mossberg I got in '79 w some of these parts.:D

ST911
01-14-12, 20:43
Interesting.

I like the railed rear. I can see a T1 on my 590 for LL and chasing deer.

Suwannee Tim
01-15-12, 21:05
A shotgun doesn't have enough pressure at the muzzle to accomplish anything with a brake. The reason shotgun brakes have never caught on is because they don't work. But hope springs eternal and folks keep trying. As for these brakes, they are strictly for looks. Kind of like the spoiler on the family car or the one on the pimply kid next door's car.

ST911
01-15-12, 21:34
Not a muzzle brake, but a stand-off.

outrider627
01-16-12, 01:47
If you thought Mossberg went full retard with the Chainsaw 500, take a look at this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg

loganp0916
01-16-12, 02:00
If you thought Mossberg went full retard with the Chainsaw 500, take a look at this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg

Jesus Christ! I don't understand how shit like this gets passed through to production. Looks like Mossberg is taking the sig plunge

mkmckinley
01-16-12, 09:12
For 90% of the Joe Schmoes that have that muzzle device and don't know what it's for I would have to agree with you. However it does have a purpose which is breaching. The teeth dig into a wooden door frame a little and keep it from moving and the length spaces the muzzle away from the door and lets gas escape through the vents. It's for breachers. Saying it's "Gay" or "French" is just showing ignorance.

To the OP I'll buy the shit out of one of those mounts if it comes out for an 870.

DMR
01-16-12, 09:12
If you thought Mossberg went full retard with the Chainsaw 500, take a look at this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg

Not again.........

markm
01-16-12, 09:18
Holy crap! There is a section of society that is so fearful of the gubment, they believe the Lever gun is the original Assault rifle and the politically safe choice for defensive use.

They probably run the Taurus Judge pistol too, however. :rolleyes:

DMR
01-16-12, 09:33
A shotgun doesn't have enough pressure at the muzzle to accomplish anything with a brake. The reason shotgun brakes have never caught on is because they don't work. But hope springs eternal and folks keep trying. As for these brakes, they are strictly for looks. Kind of like the spoiler on the family car or the one on the pimply kid next door's car.

http://pro-patria.us/SHOT2011/Fiber-Optic-Ghost-Ringweb.gif

This was actualy designed at my request for the military. They are not muzzle brakes, but as others have stated are stand off devices. They are broadly used in differant forms by LE Agencies nationwide and by select units in the Army and USMC. They have been a nitch product for over a decade, with Mossberg making them a main stream item with the commercial release a few years ago.

Stand off devices function to prevent over preasure in the barrels and burst barrels when doing ballistic breaching. It's not a common occurance, but it happens enough that we provided a large Army organization with a version of this barrel. They have broad latatude to purchase what they want and purchased those to meet several requirements they had.

I make NO effort to sell those barrels to the public, as the application isn't required for civilians.

bigghoss
01-16-12, 16:10
If you thought Mossberg went full retard with the Chainsaw 500, take a look at this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg

now I know guys have mounted red dots and lights on their lever guns but usually for late-night pest control when the varmints tend to come out. but that...I lack the vocabulary to fully extrapolate how much I hate that thing.

threeheadeddog
01-16-12, 19:41
The truely sad part is that if they would offer it with a threaded barrel more people would be interested just for supresser use. It seems that it would be easier to buy one w/threads and unf%^k it than find a smith that will do the work to thread one(I dont know why but it seem like noone wants to thread a lever gun).

Colt guy
01-16-12, 21:48
If you thought Mossberg went full retard with the Chainsaw 500, take a look at this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg



That's just SAD:cray:

Kfgk14
01-16-12, 23:10
If you thought Mossberg went full retard with the Chainsaw 500, take a look at this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg

Argh...the stupid...it hurts...

40Arpent
01-17-12, 10:20
This was actualy designed at my request for the military. They are not muzzle brakes, but as others have stated are stand off devices.

Thank you for educating the ignorance and stupidity from this thread. My own ignorance had me believing that anyone with a modicum of shotgun knowledge would know what a stand-off/breacher is.

Moose-Knuckle
01-17-12, 20:33
http://i43.tinypic.com/2zqhdew.jpg

For the cowboy mall ninja. . .

Now we just need Magpul to release an MOE line for it. :fie:

DMR
01-17-12, 22:52
Mossberg Flex (http://www.flexyourmossberg.com)

http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/FLEX_SYSTEM_SHEET_1024px.jpg

Been working with these guys on this for a long time. Enjoy:D

Additional info at the begining of the thread now.

Alaskapopo
01-17-12, 23:31
While its ugly as sin if it were like a Knoxx stock for a lever gun (recoil absorbsion) I would buy it. My 1895 with 430 grain slugs at 1900 fps hurt a lot on both ends.
pat

thopkins22
01-20-12, 02:04
It's great that there's a option available for a shorter stock without the indignity of buying a "youth" anything. Just how much easier/quicker is it to switch the furniture on these?

DMR
01-20-12, 06:44
It's great that there's a option available for a shorter stock without the indignity of buying a "youth" anything. Just how much easier/quicker is it to switch the furniture on these?

Pull the key up, rotate, slide the stock off. Slide on the new stock and reverse the process. The whole process is tool less.

Moose-Knuckle
01-20-12, 15:44
Pull the key up, rotate, slide the stock off. Slide on the new stock and reverse the process. The whole process is tool less.

It's good to see Mossberg (anyone really) feature an option like this! I've already had to go through the hoops to locate a Hogue youth model and replaced my 590's OEM buttstock. But it's nice to see new guns with this.

et2041
01-20-12, 16:21
It'd be even better if Mossy did something for the 930 series buttstock. Thus far nobody has attempted.

DMR
01-20-12, 20:31
Shortening the 930 is a bigger feat. The junk In the trunk of the stock only leave a small ability to shorten it. That a lot of smiths are looking at ways to shorten it, and a stock company is looking at trimming the stock it self down.

jaxman7
01-20-12, 20:42
Shortening the 930 is a bigger feat. The junk In the trunk of the stock only leave a small ability to shorten it. That a lot of smiths are looking at ways to shorten it, and a stock company is looking at trimming the stock it self down.

Yep exactly. I've done 2 stock LOP reductions on 930s and overall length cut was only about 3/4-7/8" max with out messing with the action spring housing (technically the housing threads on the end are shaved down but not enough to where it is invasive to the housing itself) and keeping the stock recoil pad.

-Jax

cdmiller
01-20-12, 23:22
The truely sad part is that if they would offer it with a threaded barrel more people would be interested just for supresser use. It seems that it would be easier to buy one w/threads and unf%^k it than find a smith that will do the work to thread one(I dont know why but it seem like noone wants to thread a lever gun).

To thread a lever gun generally requires that the front site base be moved back and the the magazine tube be shortened in addition to the fact that it can be damn hard to chuck a lever gun into a lathe. Most "gunsmiths" really aren't these days and many others who do know how to do it either don't have the appropriate tools or find it to be too much of a PITA for what they can charge for the work. I used to know someone who would only do it if paid by the hour instead of a flat rate.

Jake'sDad
01-21-12, 02:35
Aimpro is releasing a new sight at SHOT 12:

http://pro-patria.us/Shotgun/20FDEwithRailSight3w.jpg


They should make a version of that for bolt action rifles.

et2041
01-21-12, 09:00
Shortening the 930 is a bigger feat. The junk In the trunk of the stock only leave a small ability to shorten it. That a lot of smiths are looking at ways to shorten it, and a stock company is looking at trimming the stock it self down.

I've heard that too. All I want is an Urbino and I'd be happy.

DMR
01-21-12, 09:10
They should make a version of that for bolt action rifles.

Mike is working on some now. Which one Remington, Savage, ect....

RAM Engineer
01-21-12, 10:16
Is that Flex system "retro-fittable" to older 590A1 shotguns or does it require a new gun?

DMR
01-21-12, 10:41
It is retrofit able, it was one of our requirements when i pitched it. I don't believe they plan on offering it retail. We will be able to get some to support contracts.

Armati
01-21-12, 12:16
I make NO effort to sell those barrels to the public, as the application isn't required for civilians.

Neither are 30rd mags and 5.56 rifles. What civilian needs to engage multiple threats at 300m? Still, better to have it and not need it....

For 'sporting purposes' why is there not a there not a 3 Gun Match that requires door breaching?

thopkins22
01-21-12, 13:43
For 'sporting purposes' why is there not a there not a 3 Gun Match that requires door breaching?

A match in College Station at Cawthon Cartridge Club frequently involves breeching using a proper training door and dowel rods.

Jake'sDad
01-21-12, 13:47
Mike is working on some now. Which one Remington, Savage, ect....

Great!

I was wondering when someone would do this.

Remington, Savage, and Ruger 77 for all the GSR's out there. The XS rail they're making for the GSR isn't what most of the market wants. Guys just want to be able to have a rear sight and use conventional scope position.

Armati
01-21-12, 14:14
A match in College Station at Cawthon Cartridge Club frequently involves breeching using a proper training door and dowel rods.

Awesome, American ingenuity. I knew there was a sporting purpose for a breaching bbl.

DMR
01-21-12, 15:25
Neither are 30rd mags and 5.56 rifles. What civilian needs to engage multiple threats at 300m? Still, better to have it and not need it....

For 'sporting purposes' why is there not a there not a 3 Gun Match that requires door breaching?

Don't get me wrong. We sell them to anyone, but we are not really set up for retail sales, hence, "no effort". For of the folks we do talk to they are better with one of the standard barrels and saving $50 to use for ammo or training. If they still want one we sell them. Its about 50/50 which way they go.

DMR
01-22-12, 20:50
Western shooter caught these:

930 Jerry Miculek Pro Series Tactical Shotgun and Patrick Flanigan Signature Series 930 video (http://www.westernshooter.com/2012/01/mossberg-930-jm-pro-series-tactical-shotgun.html)
930 Jerry Miculek Pro SeriesChromed gas system as well.

Cocked hammer indicator.
Nordic tube extension and clamp.
Driilled and tapped fiber bead.
Oversized bolt handle and release button.
Oversized tang safety.
MSRP $715

Patrick Flanigan Signature Series 930
The Rhythm is different from a standard Model 930 field gun with the following features:
http://patrickflanigan.com/images/rhythm.jpg
• Skeet accu-choke installed
• Dead Ringer front sight installed
• 12 + 1 Magazine capacity
• Guns ship with standard magazine spring and magazine cap for 5 + 1 shot configuration
• Barrel clamp
• Receiver - loading port chamfered for easy loading, laser engraved with “RHYTHM, Patrick Flanigan Signature Series”
• Stock and forearm are blue / yellow marble synthetic
• Forearm length modified to facilitate easy loading
• Oversized safety button
• Mossberg tactical bolt handle



Over on the Enos forums they noticed Salient Arms (?) is now jumped into the custom 3 gun 930's, even had one in the both. From their Facebook page
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408788_232404250172400_100002084796544_562679_2120553936_n.jpg