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Want a .22LR caliber MP5? The US importer for these advises that we should see the GSG-5 by Winter!
Here are some specs:
Fixed Stock Version (with other versions coming)
System: Semi-Auto only
Caliber: .22 lr
Magazine capacity: 10 20 or 30 rounds
Weight: 4.9 lb
Barrel Length: 16" inches
Retail: $499-$550
Next on the list to be made MP5K!!
C4
Weapon shown with optional 7.7" barrel
http://www.germansportguns.de/pics4all/upload/p4718c0_GSG-5.jpg
DocHolliday01
08-29-07, 09:03
Grant, any idea what prices will be?
Grant, any idea what prices will be?
Price will be somewhere between $495-$550.
C4
At that price, thats a nifty little package.
Have you handled one yet Grant?
At that price, thats a nifty little package.
Have you handled one yet Grant?
I think it will sell like crack for that price.
I say one at the shot show and basically thought it was an MP5 and knew that I couldn't own it so pretty much just ignored it. :rolleyes:
The importer has a non-firing model with him right now and are also an HK LE Distr. They tell me that you cannot tell a difference.
C4
olds442tyguy
08-29-07, 16:06
Cool plinker, but don't hold your breath.
They're made by a foreign airsoft manufacturer (yes, literally), and the last I saw they still hadn't even bothered looking into America's civilian gun laws.
Cool plinker, but don't hold your breath.
They're made by a foreign airsoft manufacturer (yes, literally), and the last I saw they still hadn't even bothered looking into America's civilian gun laws.
Yes, the company does make airsoft items as well.
The importer is going to the factory in Germany and test firing them as they come off the line to make sure everything meets their standards.
The GSG-5 has already been submitted to the ATF and is being approved as we speak.
C4
olds442tyguy
08-29-07, 16:14
Yes, the company does make airsoft items as well.
The importer is going to the factory in Germany and test firing them as they come off the line to make sure everything meets their standards.
The GSG-5 has already been submitted to the ATF and is being approved as we speak.
C4
Huh.
I'm 110% amazed the ATF is approving them. :eek:
That's awesome news though. :cool:
Huh.
I'm 110% amazed the ATF is approving them. :eek:
That's awesome news though. :cool:
Yep. According to the importer, the ATF has had them make some small change with the barrel and that has been it.
C4
themadhatter
08-30-07, 04:34
any idea what the price for the mags going to be
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/guns/video/x2mlwh_voila-le-nouveau-ne-de-chez-heckler_extreme
cheesy video ( got that german marketing touch..lol) but shows different variants.
They are working on a MP5SD model with and without tele stock as well.
any idea what the price for the mags going to be
Not yet, but am hearing that they will be around $15-$25 apiece.
C4
FlyAndFight
08-30-07, 12:40
I want one! :D
brantley65
08-30-07, 13:04
Is there a back order on these already?
Is there a back order on these already?
Yes. I am accepting pre-orders as we speak. Shoot me an e-mail if you want to be on the pre-order list. sales@GRTactical.com
C4
FlyAndFight
08-30-07, 13:43
Email sent. ;)
Now this sounds cool as hell.
olds442tyguy
08-30-07, 17:53
Not yet, but am hearing that they will be around $15-$25 apiece.
C4
Nice!!!
I see Ruger sales taking a major hit in the near future. :cool:
On the video it shows a barrel assembly that looks like the suppressed version of the MP5.
Is that going to be a 16" barrel?
Or are they only offering the 7"?
On the video it shows a barrel assembly that looks like the suppressed version of the MP5.
Is that going to be a 16" barrel?
Or are they only offering the 7"?
The gun will come with a 16" barrel and a shroud that will make it look like it suppressed. Later on, there will be shorter barrel options.
C4
Looks nice.
Let me know when you get an official list. $450 isn't bad at all...
CarlosDJackal
09-16-07, 09:49
Yes. I am accepting pre-orders as we speak. Shoot me an e-mail if you want to be on the pre-order list. sales@GRTactical.com
C4
E-mail sent!! :D
Grant:
Do you require a deposit to be on the pre-order list?
Oh my... Email sent. I might be requesting several of these.
My contact in Europe told me around 13,000 units are being shipped to the US...
My contact in Europe told me around 13,000 units are being shipped to the US...
And after those sell, how many will they ship the next week?
Grant:
Do you require a deposit to be on the pre-order list?
Nope, just an e-mail.
C4
My contact in Europe told me around 13,000 units are being shipped to the US...
This is most likely correct. I know where 375 of them are sitting (which is where I am ordering mine from). :D
C4
This is most likely correct. I know where 375 of them are sitting (which is where I am ordering mine from). :D
C4
what's funny is that he has to wait for the US order to clear before getting his order and his shop is in Europe..lol..shows US market is huge compare to them.
condition 1
09-21-07, 11:26
Grant, any chance that the barrel is threaded ?
It's a good candidate for SBR action. But I will certainly wait until they have a proven track record before buying one.
Grant, any chance that the barrel is threaded ?
I doubt it. You can of course get the barrel threaded yourself, or buy the after market barrel and register it as an SBR.
C4
That would be the way to go! Put a silencer on it, and you'd have a really fun gun.
OH HELL YES !!!!! DADDY LIKES!!!!
That will be a cool little suppressed SBR:cool:
OH HELL YES !!!!! DADDY LIKES!!!!
That will be a cool little suppressed SBR:cool:
Yes it will!
C4
Email sent for the pre-order list.
I've fought this off for long enough. This will be cool as hell, I might even SBR it.
:D
FlyAndFight
10-19-07, 11:06
Looking forward to this "plinker". I recently bought a 10/22 but once the GSG-5 arrives, it may not see much range time. :D
Grant, please keep us posted on any news.
Thanks.
Just talked to the importer and they informed me that the GSG-5 has been aproved the BATF for importation!!!! :D
Apparently the ATF guys that shot the weapon liked it so much, they wanted to know when they could buy one.
After the GSG-5 is released (maybe in December), next on the plate will be G36C in .22. ;)
C4
Good news indeed Grant, December is almost here...:D
Just talked to the importer and they informed me that the GSG-5 has been aproved the BATF for importation!!!! :D
Apparently the ATF guys that shot the weapon liked it so much, they wanted to know when they could buy one.
After the GSG-5 is released (maybe in December), next on the plate will be G36C in .22. ;)
C4
So Santa will bring me one without me resorting to holding his reindeer hostage:confused:
Grant:
What's the sitrep on this fun item?
Grant:
What's the sitrep on this fun item?
Am working on getting live fire pics and vid from the US importer. :D
C4
fivepointoh
12-03-07, 01:21
Grant,
Just wondering what the latest word is?
Saw a pre sale order ad on Sturm.
Thanks.
Grant,
Just wondering what the latest word is?
Saw a pre sale order ad on Sturm.
Thanks.
All is moving allong, but no prices or release info yet.
C4
fivepointoh
12-03-07, 17:07
Roger that and thanks.
Rudolph should maybe wear some plates when he comes to my neighborhood this year..:D
Bulldog1967
12-03-07, 18:46
This is NOT a tag!:)
jackal2001
12-07-07, 06:56
Email sent and I'm on the list. I can't wait!
Update!!! Delivery of the GSG-5 will start in January and price will be $475!!
We will start taking CC numbers now. First CC #'s received, will get the first GSG-5's (CC's will not be charged until the gun ship's out).
C4
carshooter
12-14-07, 19:57
I just found this on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6b2h5rHvis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfgpDCoGAI&feature=related
If I didn't already ask to be put on the list, consider this my request.
Thanks Grant.
If I didn't already ask to be put on the list, consider this my request.
Thanks Grant.
We are taking CC #'s right now so you might want to give us a call. ;)
C4
Oh you are eh?
ETA: But it seems you are out Christmas shopping now...
Oh you are eh?
ETA: But it seems you are out Christmas shopping now...
They will be shipping in the middle of Jan. so I am told.
I do all my shopping online.
C4
I'm out, Christmas shopping for the family sucked my $$$. Now if I can sell my new/unfired M&P 9mm, I can still buy one. My apologies Grant, we'll see If I can sell this first.
So how do I get in touch with you Grant? Your G&R number gets me your answering machine.
So how do I get in touch with you Grant? Your G&R number gets me your answering machine.
Well it is kind of like Magic I guess. :D If you get my answering machine, leave a message with your phone number and I will call you back. Hanging up without leaving me a way of calling you back doesn't help either of us out much.
C4
Aha...
Well I figured if you were unavailable then you were unavailable...
Actually I got a message telling me if I had a question to email you- but now you have my number...
I'm in for one......I'll call with my CC info
Aha...
Well I figured if you were unavailable then you were unavailable...
Actually I got a message telling me if I had a question to email you- but now you have my number...
I am ALWAYS in the shop. The issue is that if there is a customer in the shop or am in the middle of KG coating someones weapon, I cannot answer the phone.
C4
I am ALWAYS in the shop. The issue is that if there is a customer in the shop or am in the middle of KG coating someones weapon, I cannot answer the phone.
I left you a message yesterday, Grant. If you still have any of these left for sale in your first shipment, I'd love to give you a credit card number!
Grant,
I also left a message on Friday afternoon. I'll give you a call tomorrow morning to pass my info. Thanks
Jim D.
Thanks guys for the messages. I see 15 of them flashing at me. Lord knows how many are on the back up voice mail system. :eek:
C4
Thanks guys for the messages. I see 15 of them flashing at me. Lord knows how many are on the back up voice mail system. :eek:
C4
Grant, do they plan on releasing a factory SBR version? I don't know what the import laws would be on such a thing, but if they are, I might just wait and try to get my name first in line for that.
Grant, do they plan on releasing a factory SBR version? I don't know what the import laws would be on such a thing, but if they are, I might just wait and try to get my name first in line for that.
They cannot because of the importation laws. They will offer a shorter barrel the end user can install. You can also just cut the barrel down and register it as an SBR.
C4
They cannot because of the importation laws. They will offer a shorter barrel the end user can install. You can also just cut the barrel down and register it as an SBR.
C4
Ok, I'll just plan on chopping the barrel. There aren't any problems with threading the factory barrel for a suppressor, are there?
Nope.
C4
Great. My credit card is on standby. Give me a call Monday when have a spare minute. Thanks for the help.
I'm waiting for a call too...
So they'll have shorter barrels later huh?
Maybe I'll have fun with it for awhile before going that route. I thought I'd fill out forms right away and cut it when they came back...
This is making Green0's QD .22 suppressors look even better now...
I'm waiting for a call too...
So they'll have shorter barrels later huh?
Maybe I'll have fun with it for awhile before going that route. I thought I'd fill out forms right away and cut it when they came back...
This is making Green0's QD .22 suppressors look even better now...
Yes they will. How far out there are though is anyones guess. I am just going to cut the barrel down.
C4
I'm waiting for a call too...
So they'll have shorter barrels later huh?
Maybe I'll have fun with it for awhile before going that route. I thought I'd fill out forms right away and cut it when they came back...
This is making Green0's QD .22 suppressors look even better now...
Did you get one of Green0s cans?
No but the fact that they sound like a red ryder BB gun is appealing and QD for $225...
That and I saw his 9mm can too.
I offered to loan him my 9mm barrel when he said he was developing the can but he has since (obviously) gotten that straightened out.
I'd like to send him my 9mm can for a side by side comparison...
jackal2001
12-17-07, 07:22
I could be wrong but isn't Green0 done making cans? I think he has some to sell, but once they are gone that is it, no more. At least that is what I gather from ar15.com. Can anyone else confirm that?
Yeah he's done making them and wants to dump what he's got.
Grant,
Still trying to pass along my CC info to reserve a GSG-5. Is there any better time to call? I don't think you want to have a bunch of messages on your machine from the same people. Looking forward to the gun. Thanks
Jim D.
Grant,
Still trying to pass along my CC info to reserve a GSG-5. Is there any better time to call? I don't think you want to have a bunch of messages on your machine from the same people. Looking forward to the gun. Thanks
Jim D.
LOL, I wish I knew when a good time is too call. If you left me your number, then I will call you. If you didn't leave your number, please do.
Speaking of having a lot of messages, I cleared 57 of them last night. :eek:
C4
Jeez...
Looks like I won't be getting one of these if the line is that long...
Jeez...
Looks like I won't be getting one of these if the line is that long...
Not all the messages were for the GSG-5. ;)
I have more than enough on order to cover everyone that has called or given me a number to call them back with.
C4
John_Wayne777
12-19-07, 10:06
Well hell's bells....it's only money, right?
Sent an e-mail to Grant......
This is just too tempting for somebody who has an MP5 fetish.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzeQekrj8U
Some eye candy ;)
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7811043/m/508109877
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z69/Quickload/GSG%205/GSG5133.jpg
jackal2001
12-27-07, 15:10
Thanks Edmond!!!
buddyhoohaw
12-28-07, 12:37
Ordered mine this morning....thanks Grant!
It looks like the GSG-5 will be the first tax stamp of the new year '08 :D
I am starting to wonder about my call back...
Grant? :o
^is that a yawn? it's supposed to be.
I am starting to wonder about my call back...
Grant? :o
^is that a yawn? it's supposed to be.
I think he hates us both. :( :p
As long as it's not just me.
Actually I was thinking YOU told him not to sell me one.
Now I know that's not true... ;)
As long as it's not just me.
Actually I was thinking YOU told him not to sell me one.
Now I know that's not true... ;)
I actually told him not to sell anyone a GSG-5 until I got mine, and even offered a bribe, but he refused. :(
John_Wayne777
01-03-08, 09:49
Ah....so that's why he hasn't e-mailed me back!
You're a greedy bastard!
No word on when these are shipping from Atlantic Firearms yet. Anyone else hear anything frrom other suppliers? I can't wait to get mine. CHEAP AMMO!!!
John_Wayne777
01-20-08, 15:12
Any status updates on these?
No word on when these are shipping from Atlantic Firearms yet. Anyone else hear anything frrom other suppliers? I can't wait to get mine. CHEAP AMMO!!!
We are taking pre-orders on them NOW! https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=10602
The GSG-5 is in the US right now and we expect to have them this month.
C4
We are taking pre-orders on them NOW! https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=10602
The GSG-5 is in the US right now and we expect to have them this month.
C4
Preorders or the list from before?
Preorders or the list from before?
Not following.
We are taking orders on them right now (meaning if people want to be first in line to get a GSG, they need to call us with their CC info).
C4
We are taking pre-orders on them NOW! https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=10602
The GSG-5 is in the US right now and we expect to have them this month.
C4
That's what I meant. The traditional preorder not the usual list. how about those of us who didn't get a call back? I've already ordered the G5 for it.
That's what I meant. The traditional preorder not the usual list. how about those of us who didn't get a call back? I've already ordered the G5 for it.
If I do not have your CC info, then I cannot process your order. So either try and call me, fax me your CC info or give me a number to call you at within business hours.
C4
We tried this once.
I will call AGAIN because I like you.
This isn't easy on a blackberry!
Does anyone know if it is a bad idea two submit two forms to the ATF but not together at the same time? I.e. One two weeks after the other? I will have the Form1for this out when the G5 comes in.
John_Wayne777
01-24-08, 22:10
If I do not have your CC info, then I cannot process your order. So either try and call me, fax me your CC info or give me a number to call you at within business hours.
C4
I'll fax you my info before the week is out.
Well i got my order in today and now I feel like it's Christmas all over again.
Your order of what? The rifle?
Your order of what? The rifle?
Sorry, I placed my order today and I feel like a kid on Christmas eve.
Well I talked to the machine again...
My dealer just called me and told me my GSG-5 is in his hands. :D
I'll be picking it up tomorrow and give a report on what I think. Hell I may even brave the cold and shoot a few mags through it.
jackal2001
01-25-08, 21:16
Hum, what dealer did you order from?
That means that Grant should have them by next week or so. All is good.
Well I talked to the machine again...
The machine said that it likes you a lot and to keep calling it. :D
C4
Well I talked to the machine again...
(2001: A Space Odyssey HAL'S voice)..Im sorry Suicide...I'm afraid I can't do that. I know you and Grant were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. ;) :D
John_Wayne777
01-26-08, 11:21
Sent my fax last night.
Well my buddy is getting so antsy to call Blaine at Atlantic because he is throwing in free mags or something at his $500 price.
I put myself on Grant's list so I don't want to be an idiot and pull myself out. I'm on the Masada list and I don't want bad "list etiquette" to harm me over there. I'm like #27 or something.
So I'm really pushing this GSG thing...
Oh, Grant- you need to put the real numbers for your phone number on your site. I almost couldn't call you yesterday (literally) because my blackberry pearl has a keyboard. I don't have the normal letters on numbers and had to go find another phone to TRANSLATE!!! :p
I picked up my GSG-5 today and made a short trip to the range. Here are my first impressions;
Overall out of the box it looks good. Selector is easy to manipulate, mags were a bit tight in the mag well and the mag catch is a bit stiff but I expect it will break in a bit. The rear sight is configured like the HK rifle sights not like the MP5 sight. The apertures are a bit small and I will be opening one up as I use the third largest opening on my MP5s. Overall barrel diameter is thin, but with the faux can on you'll never see it anyway.
Went to the range and did an extensive internet/gunwriter torture test (IE: 190 rounds ;) ). Ammo was CCI mini mags, mags were loaded to 20 rounds (will hold 24, designed to hold 22).
In that time I had 2 failures of the bolt to lock back on the last round of the mag. While the MP5 does not do this the GSG-5 is designed to. I also had one occasion of a failure to feed on the first round of a mag. On locking the charging handle to the rear and then releasing it again the round then chambered. Beyond that there were no issues.
I did not shoot for any type of accuracy as I was pressed for time (night shift tonight). Targets were a 8 x 10" plate and 8" plate rack at 25 yards. Sights were hitting just a bit high right out of the box. The trigger was a little rough, but certainly not a deal breaker.
I did notice some wear on the upper receiver tube where the cocking handle notch is. I was loading in the same fashion as an MP5 (bolt to the rear, mag in give it a tug, slap cocking handle forward). I'm guessing this will be a normal occurrence and I will keep an eye on it to see if it continues if it's just a matter of surface wear during break in. Again. nothing to get bent about, but something I noticed.
Overall it's a pretty neat little blaster. Obviously this was a very limited first outing. It will be interesting to see what experience others have and what bugs more extensive use brings about. Given the price of .22 ammo and the rising prices of centerfire ammo I expect some of these guns will see some impressive round counts.
Joe-
Where did you get this from? Your dealer ordered it direct from GSG or did it come from Atlantic perhaps?
So those little $35 mags hold 22 rounds?
How's the lower designed- like the new style MP5 with the straight front and backstrap that flare out towards the bottom or the older style that's more curvacious?
When you say the barrel is kinda thin is it thick enough to have threaded 1/2x28tpi? If it's thin garbage or can't be threaded, it's going to be a deal breaker for me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/guns/video/x2mlwh_voila-le-nouveau-ne-de-chez-heckler_extreme
Heh, anyone notice the shot setups/styles in that video that were blatantly ripped off from HK and Glock promotional materials?
These look fun, if I get a chance, I'd get one. I'm shocked that it was approved for import.
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/guns/video/x2mlwh_voila-le-nouveau-ne-de-chez-heckler_extreme
Heh, anyone notice the shot setups/styles in that video that were blatantly ripped off from HK and Glock promotional materials?
These look fun, if I get a chance, I'd get one. I'm shocked that it was approved for import.
Well it's good to know that HK isn't the only German company that sucks at marketing.
Joe-
Where did you get this from? Your dealer ordered it direct from GSG or did it come from Atlantic perhaps?
So those little $35 mags hold 22 rounds?
How's the lower designed- like the new style MP5 with the straight front and backstrap that flare out towards the bottom or the older style that's more curvacious?
When you say the barrel is kinda thin is it thick enough to have threaded 1/2x28tpi? If it's thin garbage or can't be threaded, it's going to be a deal breaker for me.
It came from the wholesale distributor.
Yup the mags hold 22 rounds. They are single column and you need to pay some attention when you load them as it's possible to have the rounds stack incorrectly.
The lower is designed similar to the Navy lowers from HK and the selector is ambidextrous for those people who the nuns didn't get to. Having spent more then a little time with both HK lowers, I much prefer the Navy style lower for comfort and hand fit.
I may have overstated the barrel thing. It's very similar to the diameter of the barrel on the Walther P22 so it should be fine to thread. It just looks thin on the gun (with the "can" removed) as the rest of the measurements mimic the MP5 so closely.
It came from the wholesale distributor.
Yup the mags hold 22 rounds. They are single column and you need to pay some attention when you load them as it's possible to have the rounds stack incorrectly.
The lower is designed similar to the Navy lowers from HK and the selector is ambidextrous for those people who the nuns didn't get to. Having spent more then a little time with both HK lowers, I much prefer the Navy style lower for comfort and hand fit.
I may have overstated the barrel thing. It's very similar to the diameter of the barrel on the Walther P22 so it should be fine to thread. It just looks thin on the gun (with the "can" removed) as the rest of the measurements mimic the MP5 so closely.
So the lower is just like the one pictured above. Had I remember it was up higher on the page, I would have just pointed it out instead of stumbling through it...
So do you have other .22s to play with?
Why do you like this one? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth buying. If I buy it, I will be buying the Gemtech G5 for my AR15 and using it on this thing after it's SBR'd. Do you think the quality is good enough to make it worth the tax?
If it's not worth buying, I will be going with an OPS can dedicated to my AR15 and won't try playing around with putting it on another rifle.
Joe-
Where did you get this from? Your dealer ordered it direct from GSG or did it come from Atlantic perhaps?
So those little $35 mags hold 22 rounds?
How's the lower designed- like the new style MP5 with the straight front and backstrap that flare out towards the bottom or the older style that's more curvacious?
When you say the barrel is kinda thin is it thick enough to have threaded 1/2x28tpi? If it's thin garbage or can't be threaded, it's going to be a deal breaker for me.
No one can buy direct from the manufacturer and there is only ONE importer for this weapon.
Mags can hold up to 24rds (depending on the ammo).
C4
No, I see now. His dealer ordered from the distributor.
jackal2001
01-27-08, 13:45
Grant,
Any updates on when you expect to see your shipment?
Grant,
Any updates on when you expect to see your shipment?
Have not heard anything, but my guess is that dealers that placed VERY small orders got their's shipped out ahead of the dealers that ordered them in large QTY's.
I will call them on Monday to see what my delivery date is.
C4
jackal2001
01-27-08, 14:49
sweet
So do you have other .22s to play with?
Why do you like this one? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth buying. If I buy it, I will be buying the Gemtech G5 for my AR15 and using it on this thing after it's SBR'd. Do you think the quality is good enough to make it worth the tax?
If it's not worth buying, I will be going with an OPS can dedicated to my AR15 and won't try playing around with putting it on another rifle.
Yup...I have several .22 rifles in the stable.
This one has the coolness factor and since I have tens of thousands of rounds out of MP5s I enjoy shooting it as it's a familiar platform and in .22 it's cheap to shoot.
The quality seems to be acceptable...but with less then 200 rounds through the gun that's really a VERY limited test.
Would I SBR it? Not until the HK94 sitting in my safe gets done ;) . Only YOU can answer if it's worth it to YOU. SBRed with one of the small cans, it would certainly be a step up on the coolness/CDI factor, but like I said, you would have to decide if it's "worth" it.
Yes Grant, as I stated in my initial post the mags will hold 24 rounds. They are however designed to hold 22. I loaded them to 20 for simplicity sake and just because I'm used to downloading hi-caps to two less then capacity.
Well it's good to know that HK isn't the only German company that sucks at marketing.
The cheese-ball synth music is too funny.
I had my GSG-5 out to the range today and went through 1,000 rounds. It ran like a dream. Thanks Grant!!!!!!!!!!!
I had my GSG-5 out to the range today and went through 1,000 rounds. It ran like a dream. Thanks Grant!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad you like it. From all reports (including my own), the GSG-5's are running like tops!
C4
jackal2001
02-10-08, 15:22
Here is my gun safe report: IT'S TOO DAMN COLD OUTSIDE. ;)
Here is a cut and paste of my range report on Jerzee Devil:
I had a chance to take out my new GSG-5 & Ruger Single Six today. I stopped by Wal-Mart and for less than $25 I walked out with 1050 rounds of 22lr. I got one Federal 550 bulk pack, which is what I usually buy for my other 22s and then I got a 500 pack of Winchester hollow points as well.
Of the 1050 rounds, my Single Six only got about 50 rounds out of her. She shot straight and true and handled great but single action pistols are a pain to load and unload. I knew this when I got it and do not regret it by any means, but it does mean it gets shot less. B/C of that, I will probably only use Eley Match ammo out of it for now on. Hell, if your only going to shoot 50 rounds and IMO, some of the best ammo is only $5 or so per 50. Why not??
That means of course the other 1,000 rounds got fired out of the GSG-5. Out of 1,000 rounds fired, I only had ONE SINGLE malfunction. That was a bullet that failed to seat properly. When I manually ejected the round, I found its nose marred up. Must have not fed properly. 1 round out of 1,000 rounds. I still can't believe it. I have not had not gone through 1,000 rounds before without 4-5 duds, jams, etc.. with my Ruger Mk III hunter and customized 10/22 EVER and this was using ONLY high capacity mags. I may have expected allot of things out of this gun but reliability isn't one of them. I REALLY surprised me.
THANK GOD for this thing holding open on the last round. I HATE it when guns don't hold open on the last round. It was nice to that you could hear a distinct difference when that bolt didn't return on the last round and know your done.
Accuracy wise, it held really nice groups at both 25 and 50 yards. I like the HK style sight with 4 different options for sight picture. When I began I was shooting slightly high and to the left. I adjusted the windage and got it dead center and but didn't have my manual with me and didn't know how to adjust elevation so I left it shooting slightly high throughout the range session. I have a optics mount on the way but and really torn now as it was refreshing to shoot using open sights, all my damned guns except my Daewoo have high dollar optics. I may leave this one with just open sights. Who knows.
Usually when I go to the range I am full of excitement and when I leave I am more somber and down beat. When I left today I was still on a high from this one. Kind of like I discovered gold at the end of the rainbow. Like I know some magical secret know one else knew. I almost feel like I should get back on the list for another just in case I wear this one out and believe me, I will try.
This thing defiantly caught allot of looks and attention at the range. If you don't know better, the report of the 22 round being fired seems similar to a suppressed 9mm and of course the looks match.
When I shoot rimfires, paper gets boring after awhile and usually I have to take reactive targets like spinners, or the like and today I forgot them. Whats crazy is every after hundreds of rounds I never got board punching paper. Hell, I didn't bring my spotting scope and at 50 yards had no clue where I was hitting and still didn't care. It was just plain fun to empty mag after mag.
I have read elsewhere that this company got some flack for originally being an Airsoft maker, but that airsoft company figured out something Ruger, an American institution in firearms couldn't figure out and thats how to get high capacity 22 mags to feed.
If I did have to come up with cons for the gun, I would have to look hard and they would be that the forearm and stock of the gun do have a plastic like feel to them instead of the original polymer feel. If this bothers you, you can get parts right now to replace them with just about any MP5 style part you like from solid aluminum fore grip with rails to retracting metal stocks. I may try again to order a retracing or folding stock (Website malfunction during order attempt) or even perhaps a aluminum forearm but right now I am going to enjoy it just how it is, perfect
heineken42069
02-19-08, 17:58
here is my gsg:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/03.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/04-2.jpg
here is what it will look like after i SBR it: (but with a flash hider of course)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/05-6.jpg
I think I'm gonna have to get one of these to plink with
here is my gsg:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/03.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/04-2.jpg
here is what it will look like after i SBR it: (but with a flash hider of course)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Heineken420/05-6.jpg
Is that stock available in the U.S yet ?
heineken42069
02-25-08, 14:04
Apparently so.
is an airsoft stock made by classic army that i modified to fit...same with the railed handguards...
Phil Hirsh
03-19-08, 16:25
Okay, I'm ready to buy a GSG 5. The reports have all been good, I've watched it on Youtube. Are there any left? When is another batch coming in?
jackal2001
03-19-08, 16:33
They are going for about $650-$700 on gunbroker. :rolleyes:
I am sure a lot of dealers may or may not be taking orders depending on how many are still waiting that didn't get one from the first shipment.
Okay, I'm ready to buy a GSG 5. The reports have all been good, I've watched it on Youtube. Are there any left? When is another batch coming in?
We have another batch coming in (currently sitting in US Customs). Shoot us an e-mail and we will put you on our back order list.
C4
Jim Davidson
03-19-08, 17:26
I would like to be placed on the list for a GSG-5. I have called and e-mailed and have received no response to date.
I think this rifle beats the heck out of building a "tactical" 10/22!
Hi I am new to this forum, I have been looking for a GSG-5 since I first saw it. I have finally found where I am going to buy from but I had a few questions for those of you who have got yours already.
Are the parts from an Air Soft MP 5 going to work on this? I would like to switch out hand gard with a rail system and the butt stock with a retractable one.
Thanks for any advice in advance!
Say will HK small or large push-pins fit on the GSG?
Thinking of using them on the stock.
heineken42069
04-01-08, 21:26
Say will HK small or large push-pins fit on the GSG?
Thinking of using them on the stock.
the small push lins work in the handguards, the lower and the stock...
you can use a large push pin BUT you will have to use a drill to make the whole bigger...
i have heards some say not to use a push pin in the stock because the weapon can be fired without the stock and so if you do not need to use tools to take it off it then makes it a SBR...but i have heard others argu it does not apply because its a 22lr...
decodeddiesel
04-06-08, 23:39
Sweet I just picked up my GSG-5 today! I am looking for a collapsible stock like what you have Heineken. I hear the Classic Arms airsoft one works, but I can't seem to find one. Can anyone help out?
ETA: Just shot about 300 rounds at the indoor local range, and I have to say it's the most fun I have had shooting in years! 100% reliable with $14/500 CCI Blazer .22, and it printed 1" groups at 50 feet offhand with the stock iron sights. I am glad I purchased it.
We have another batch coming in (currently sitting in US Customs). Shoot us an e-mail and we will put you on our back order list.
C4
Any new info on these yet?
Thanks
TacticalSpeed
05-08-08, 13:20
Are these legal in NJ?
Are these legal in NJ?
No idea.
C4
TacticalSpeed
05-08-08, 14:15
Looks like they are as long as the mags are modified.
Have the 10 round mags come out yet?
Exactly what I was going to post. My dealer has a couple sitting on the shelf, but can't sell them to me because I'm NY (He's in PA). He says I have to wait for 10 rd. mags, which they already have in country, but he can't seem to get his order shipped.
As said above...would you happen to have some 10-rd. mags I can buy from you?
Exactly what I was going to post. My dealer has a couple sitting on the shelf, but can't sell them to me because I'm NY (He's in PA). He says I have to wait for 10 rd. mags, which they already have in country, but he can't seem to get his order shipped.
As said above...would you happen to have some 10-rd. mags I can buy from you?
I have not seen any 10rd mags.
C4
Grant, will you be getting the pistol models in too? I sold my GSG5 but I may get one of the pistols.
A guy in my platoon has one of these and he says he loves it.
decodeddiesel
05-19-08, 16:28
A guy in my platoon has one of these and he says he loves it.
It is a fun toy that goes bang :D But, that's really all it is.
The Gsg 5 is a riot for sure I really like mine
It is a fun toy that goes bang :D But, that's really all it is.
And that's all it needs to be. I love mine.
I got mine the other day along with 3 spare mags. The Dealer says they have alot of trouble getting them and then they sell right out. BTW...spare mags were $32 each.
BTW...spare mags were $32 each.
Yeah the mag price is ridiculous.
Does anyone know when the (P) model will be available???
Thanks
KC
decodeddiesel
05-30-08, 15:01
And that's all it needs to be. I love mine.
+1, I have put about 3000 rounds though mine since April.
Took it to the range yesterday and ran 18 mags thru it with no malfunctions. What a tack driver!
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i222/sdacbob/MVC-014F.jpg
decodeddiesel
06-01-08, 19:37
What stock is that, is it all metal? Do you like it? Looks good!
Its the Classic Army stock. Fits up well and worked fine at the range.
decodeddiesel
06-12-08, 23:03
OK so today I received my HK parts from hkparts.net. I ordered a number of things including a used A2 stock, 2 small pins, one large pin, and a green HK sling. Just a quick note about hkparts.net, they ROCK!!!. All items were sent out the same day and I received them in 2 days! Great Job! So anyway, onto the how-to.
First some compairison pictures between the HK stock and the GSG-5 stock. Here we can see the GSG stock (above) and well loved the HK stock (below). What you can't see it the amazing difference in durability between these stocks. The HK stock itself feels like a weapon, it is very stout and feels great. By comparison the GSG stock feels like it would break to pieces if I dropped it.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2722.jpg
Comparison shot of the mounting points. Real HK on the left, GSG on the right. Note the differences between the "rails", this is the ONLY area on the stock that requires modification.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2721.jpg
The first step was to drill out the stock pin mounting hole for the HK "large" pin. I measured the pin to be 0.272" with a set of calipers. The next size up on my drill index is the "J" bit, measuring 0.277". The through hole in the receiver is plastic, and the TiN bit I used zipped through it like butter. I wouldn't even bother trying to step-up the hole size, it's so soft, and so close so as not to matter.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2713.jpg
Next thing is the ONLY grinding step required in the whole process. Looking at the right, or "ejection port side" rail on the HK stock we can see it's a little too tall to fit. Enter Mr Dremel tool. I used a grinding drum, at medium RPM. The HK stock material is tough, but grinds well. I just shaved a little at a time constantly test fitting until the stock fit.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2724.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2725.jpg
Here are the grinds. I did go a LITTLE too far, but the stock is still VERY snug and has zero side to side wobble. I did notice a very small amount of up down wobble. Honestly though, there's such a small gap I seriously doubt it will bother me while firing.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2728.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2727.jpg
I may "bed" the stock with JB weld if the wobble really bothers me, but compared to factory stock it is WAY more stable. The pin I found is a snug fit, but thats the way I like it [;)]
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2736.jpg
I also replaced the front and trigger pack pins with real HK small pins, and they fit great! I wish it came from the factory like that! Here are some pics:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2734.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2733.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2732.jpg
Thats about it, feel free to ask questions! Also stay tuned for a how to on fitting an HK forearm to the GSG (Just as soon as Adam gets some used ones in!)
FlyAndFight
06-13-08, 14:38
Great step-by-step. Thanks for sharing.
BushmasterSOH
06-25-08, 05:01
I can't wait unitl Grant gets more in. Sounds fun
I can't wait unitl Grant gets more in. Sounds fun
If this is true it may be a while.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=373057
If this is true it may be a while.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=373057
It's not true, ATI has address the allegations and they are false
To our valued consumers and distributors,
As some of you may already know, a recent negative review of the GSG-5 carbine and our company American Tactical Imports surfaced online. Although we are not at liberty to publish the name or web address of the person responsible for this review, we would like to take this opportunity to rebut the untrue and defamatory accusations about our company and our product and address any concerns you may have concerning these issues.
We here at American Tactical Imports understand that with the high demand for the GSG-5 carbine, product availability has been stretched. We assure you that this has nothing to do with any lack of expertise on our part in the importing or distribution of our product. Our dedicated staff works long hours to ensure that the firearms are distributed immediately upon receiving shipments from Germany, often turning them around and sending them out to distributors the same day we receive them. As for the number of firearms shipped to the country, many of you are already aware that we have recently begun receiving 40 foot containers of product, doubling the amount of firearms we are importing in an attempt to keep up with consumer demand for these fun and excellent weapons.
We also understand that there have been many issues raised by our customers surrounding the customer service and repair department for the GSG-5. We do have an on staff and full time gunsmith who was trained in Germany at German Sport Guns to service the GSG-5 who has been fielding all calls and issues that come in to ATI. We are also aware that many of you have been in direct contact with German Sport Guns for your repair issues, and have read that the service was exemplary and satisfied all of your questions concerning repair of your firearm. Both American Tactical Imports and German Sport Guns have listened to consumer feedback and are using that to help improve our products – a good example of this is the issue surrounding the rear sights and the buttstocks for the GSG-5, both issues that were brought to light by the consumers and have now been addressed in the design of the latest GSG-5 models.
There have also been false accusations placed that American Tactical Imports is requiring “dealers” to purchase additional firearms in order to receive their GSG-5 and GSG-5P firearms. This is wildly false. American Tactical Imports, as many of you already know, does not sell to dealers or individuals at all. The GSG-5 is purchased by distributors who in turn sell them down to the dealer level. Any sales terms about additional firearm purchases with the GSG-5 are up to the distributors, not to American Tactical Imports. It is unacceptable to hold us (American Tactical Imports) accountable for distributor sales terms as that is completely out of our hands.
The bottom line is this – both American Tactical Imports and the GSG-5 are still relatively newcomers in the firearms market. We are extremely pleased with how well received our product has been and appreciate the overwhelming support and enthusiasm that has been shown for it. With your continued support we will keep growing and improving both our company and our product line.
Brenton Chapman
American Tactical Imports
Speaking of GSG's, the GSG-5P's just came in. I have ten of them here now! :D
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/GSG/GSG_5P.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/GSG/GSG_5Pa.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/GSG/GSG_5Pb.jpg
OK so today I received my HK parts from hkparts.net. I ordered a number of things including a used A2 stock, 2 small pins, one large pin, and a green HK sling. Just a quick note about hkparts.net, they ROCK!!!. All items were sent out the same day and I received them in 2 days! Great Job! So anyway, onto the how-to.
First some compairison pictures between the HK stock and the GSG-5 stock. Here we can see the GSG stock (above) and well loved the HK stock (below). What you can't see it the amazing difference in durability between these stocks. The HK stock itself feels like a weapon, it is very stout and feels great. By comparison the GSG stock feels like it would break to pieces if I dropped it.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/IMG_2722.jpg
decodeddiesel any full photos of your GSG5 with the real fixed stock?
decodeddiesel
07-11-08, 11:22
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/GSG-5sling001.jpg
Crappy picture, but it's the only one I have right now of the full rifle. Note the real HK sling, I can't recommend it enough!
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/decodeddiesel/GSG-5sling001.jpg
Crappy picture, but it's the only one I have right now of the full rifle. Note the real HK sling, I can't recommend it enough!
Very Nice.
Bought mine a couple of weeks ago. Already put ~1k through it. Super fun. Since it's an airsoft gun, I put some airsoft stuff on it.
The laser is for Schnitzengiggles, but the collapsible stock is nice.
http://i33.tinypic.com/261f8uw.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/20rlb1s.jpg
I even got a $32 Aimpoint clone to put on it, but I forgot a mount. D'oh. I want to switch everything over to push pins next.
Can't wait to SBR it. Need to secure a Gemtech adapter for it first though.
Bought mine a couple of weeks ago. Already put ~1k through it. Super fun. Since it's an airsoft gun, I put some airsoft stuff on it.
The laser is for Schnitzengiggles, but the collapsible stock is nice.
http://i33.tinypic.com/261f8uw.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/20rlb1s.jpg
I even got a $32 Aimpoint clone to put on it, but I forgot a mount. D'oh. I want to switch everything over to push pins next.
Can't wait to SBR it. Need to secure a Gemtech adapter for it first though.
Say where did you find that scope rail?
You guys gave me the bug and I had to go pick one up myself.
I couldn't resist picking one up at the Chantilly VA gun show today. Could have gotten a Spikes 22LR upper, but my collection was missing an H&K or clone thereof.
decodeddiesel
09-13-08, 12:51
The laser is for Schnitzengiggles, but the collapsible stock is nice.
Subzero, where did you get your laser? That might be a fun little addition for the indoor ranges where my GSG gets shot at most :D
I am dying to handle one of these, and the SU-22 also.
Airsoft dealer in Hong Kong. Most of that stuff is available domestically also. Airsoft Extreme is the first place to go.
Laser AND a red dot is...not so good. I have the $32 RDS set aside as it's good enough with irons at 50 yds.
Ridge_Runner_5
09-30-08, 00:32
Got my GSG-5 last Tuesday, and took it out Friday morning...
http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/?action=view¤t=GSG5-1.flv
Im planning on putting on an optic rail and a little holo sight. I'd also like to SBR it in the future and put a handguard with the mounted flashlight on it...
Phil Hirsh
09-30-08, 16:20
I just had to send my GSG in for some adjustment because I was getting a lot of light strike misfires. I called them up and I talked with their German trained gunsmith who told me all kinds of helpful things, like don't pull the hex nuts on the bolt carrier unless you have new screws to put back in.
He says that the best way to clean the carrier group is to soak it and spray it out with compressed air. Taking it all apart is not recommended.
He was very chatty and promised to put in new firing pin just in case, adjust the extractor, clean it all up generally and for the rest of the gun all the recent upgrades as long as it was there and by the way... no charge. He tells me that different height front sights can now be purchaced. He also told me that the turn around time would only be a day or two.
I've read some pretty evil things about these guns and the company that imports them. Most of it seems pretty unfair to me. I had a problem on a Friday. I sent an e-mail on Saturday. When the service guy sends an e-mail back at 9 AM on Monday morning, you know that they care about their customers.
So three cheers for the GSG and ATI.
I just had to send my GSG in for some adjustment because I was getting a lot of light strike misfires. I called them up and I talked with their German trained gunsmith who told me all kinds of helpful things, like don't pull the hex nuts on the bolt carrier unless you have new screws to put back in.
He says that the best way to clean the carrier group is to soak it and spray it out with compressed air. Taking it all apart is not recommended.
He was very chatty and promised to put in new firing pin just in case, adjust the extractor, clean it all up generally and for the rest of the gun all the recent upgrades as long as it was there and by the way... no charge. He tells me that different height front sights can now be purchaced. He also told me that the turn around time would only be a day or two.
I've read some pretty evil things about these guns and the company that imports them. Most of it seems pretty unfair to me. I had a problem on a Friday. I sent an e-mail on Saturday. When the service guy sends an e-mail back at 9 AM on Monday morning, you know that they care about their customers.
So three cheers for the GSG and ATI.
How many rounds have you put through it before sending in?
Phil Hirsh
10-01-08, 07:54
I'd say 2,500 or so. I'll grant you that seems a low number. It was dead reliable up until about 2300 and then things began to slip. I'm fairly certain that if the gun were more easily field stripped I would have been able to solve the problem myself.
I'd say 2,500 or so. I'll grant you that seems a low number. It was dead reliable up until about 2300 and then things began to slip. I'm fairly certain that if the gun were more easily field stripped I would have been able to solve the problem myself.
That does seem low. Hopefully this will fix the problem.
I took mine to the range this weekend. It fed Federal "WalMart" bulk ammo flawlessly. The mag is kind of a pain to load, and of course it gets very dirty, but man is it a blast. It's very well made.
I just told Grant to put my name on one of these.
Any range updates on these?
How is the interchangeability of HK parts and accessories with these?
Phil Hirsh
11-15-08, 09:02
I got the rifle back after about a week. I shot pretty well with a few FTFs, but still not as well as when I first got the rifle. I was very frustrated. I cleaned it within an inch of its life, which included getting under the extractor. It was there that I found a bit of serious sludge, hardened and about enough to keep the bullets from seating the way they should, so I think this had a lot to do with the problem. I've put 8 clips through it sinse then and had 1 FTF. This could have been a bad shell, who knows. The service I got from American Tactical was very good. They want to please their customers. They were quick and friendly. It's too early to tell if they solved the problem with the FTFs.
Ridge_Runner_5
11-15-08, 09:05
Some HK parts can be dropped in readily, like furniture. Most of it is propietary...
Phil Hirsh
11-15-08, 09:16
HK stocks require alteration before they will fit. I asked for a new stock when I sent mine in and they gladly gave me a new one, along with a new metal rear sight both free of charge.
Ridge_Runner_5
11-15-08, 09:19
Ah, thats right....you have to cut a rib out on the inside of the HK A2 stock...
HK stocks require alteration before they will fit. I asked for a new stock when I sent mine in and they gladly gave me a new one, along with a new metal rear sight both free of charge.
Why did you ask for a new stock? I wasn't aware that the original rear sights were plastic. Are the front sights metal?
Phil Hirsh
11-16-08, 12:17
I just back from the range where I put six more mags full down range. We had 2 FTFs. The stock I first had was badly glued, it was actually split along the bottom. The rear sight was plastic but new ones are metal. Accuracy was excellent as usual/ We have a BSA dot scope on the GSG. Newcomers to shooting really enjoy shooting it. I just wonder if I am the only person to be having so many failures toi fire. I think it is important to keep the mags clean too.
Ridge_Runner_5
11-16-08, 12:24
A few photos with the new Gemtech 3-lug adapter
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_004.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_005.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_006.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_007.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_008.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_009.jpg
Phil Hirsh
11-16-08, 16:11
Nice pics. So you have an SBR or did you buy the pistol version and add the stock? Can that be done? I know it wouldn't be legal without a license. Have you ever taken the mags apart for cleaning?
Ridge_Runner_5
11-17-08, 00:50
If you want to shorten the rifle barrel or add a stock to the pistol, it still requires an SBR stamp...Im waiting on my NFA to get back, until then it is non-firing...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_010.jpg
(absence of barrel or breech)
Has anyone found out if real HK MP5 forearms will fit the GSG-5?
How solid are the GSG-5 collapsible stocks?
Ridge_Runner_5
12-05-08, 13:40
The factory GSG-5 stock is rather weak and feels like a toy. That said most actual HK furniture fits quite well with only minor mods...here is a Surefire MP-5 forend...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/GSG-5/Dsc_01.jpg
The factory GSG-5 stock is rather weak and feels like a toy. That said most actual HK furniture fits quite well with only minor mods...here is a Surefire MP-5 forend...
I like it! I really want to put a collapsible stock or folding stock on mine, but I'm not sure of the quality of the GSG-5 stuff.
Did you have to drill the front hole larger for that forend to fit?
Ridge_Runner_5
12-05-08, 14:00
Nope, the front hole was fine as is.
Collapsible stocks are good, but GSG's are very hard to find and rather overpriced for what they are...most of the CA airsoft furniture fits without modification, and costs less. I'll either be getting a CA B&T side folder or an actual Choate side folder stock...
Nope, the front hole was fine as is.
Collapsible stocks are good, but GSG's are very hard to find and rather overpriced for what they are...most of the CA airsoft furniture fits without modification, and costs less. I'll either be getting a CA B&T side folder or an actual Choate side folder stock...
I was also looking at the Choate Side Folder.
thopkins22
12-05-08, 14:29
After the GSG-5 is released (maybe in December), next on the plate will be G36C in .22. ;) C4
Is this happening or is their plate full of GSG-5 orders?
Is this happening or is their plate full of GSG-5 orders?
I think he is joking with the "wink face" at the end sentence.
decodeddiesel
12-05-08, 14:56
The HK MP5 A2 stock fits with minimal fitting FYI...
Ridge_Runner_5
12-05-08, 15:10
I was also looking at the Choate Side Folder.
http://www.robertrtg.com/mp5folder.html
thopkins22
12-05-08, 21:16
I think he is joking with the "wink face" at the end sentence.
Thanks, I'm terrible at deciphering emoticons.
Ridge_Runner_5
12-05-08, 21:38
My vote goes to a P90 in .22lr...
Phil Hirsh
12-21-08, 16:05
The repairs didin't take. It's going back again. I want a new rifle. This one is a lemon. 33 FTF in 88 shots. I'm not happy. The folks at ATI were very nice and quick to send the rifle back with free upgrades. They want to do well by their customers. The rifle just wasn't fixed right. There were three empties in the box when they returned it. I can get it to shoot three in a row, then there will be 10 in a row that don't shoot. I hope they treat me right. I'll post what happens. The rifle went to crap after 2,000 rounds or so. Up till then I was all grins. This is really too bad. Now is not the time to be unsure of one of your rifles. Goodness knows how long ATI will be in business with our new president f'ing it up for us in the name of safety.
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