View Full Version : Glock to M&P?
TheSmiter1
01-26-11, 00:49
I currently have a Glock 19 and an Advantage Arms kit for it. It's not a bad pistol, but it is uncomfortable for me to shoot. My trigger finger rubs between the trigger and the trigger guard, and for some reason it causes my hand to cramp up after a few hundred (~300) rounds.
I like the conversion kit, but it's rather finicky, and the main reason I need a .22lr isn't to learn the trigger, but to simply start building good habits. All I'm going to be using is .22lr for a while, because even with 9mm I have a flinch or anticipation.
Would I be better off getting a Ruger Mk III and an M&P 9? I've had an M&P before, had to sell it, and decided to try out the Glock 19 once I had the funds. The rental felt good, but I only put 100 rounds through it, so I didn't realize how irritating it could get after only 200 rounds more.
I've seriously tried warming up to it, but it's just rather uncomfortable to shoot. I liked the M&P far more, and for some reason I shot better with it. I might not even shoot the M&P for a while, and just work on fundamentals with the Mk III, but the Glock 19 is simply not comfortable to shoot, even with the AA kit (my finger still rubs).
Or should I just man up and stick with what I've got? I'll probably end up doing this, but shooting the M&P was far more comfortable than the Glock.
if you know the M&P works for you go for it.
I'd try adjusting your technique a bit, maybe changing where you put your finger on the trigger and see if you can find a more satisfactory grip on the glock. This stuff is supposed to be fun though, if your gear is making you miserable, change it.
FWIW, I have the same problem but I have chosen to live with it. My M&Ps do not do this but I favor the Glocks for spare parts availability and my ability to work on them.
Nefarious79
01-26-11, 01:51
If you feel like you shoot the M&P better, then thats what you should go with.
Ex. Im not going to carry a snub nose 44mag if I cant hit the side of a barn with it
Switch. Try to avoid switching a few more times in search of the magic. Stick with a platform and shoot 10K rounds.
if you know the M&P works for you go for it.
I'd try adjusting your technique a bit, maybe changing where you put your finger on the trigger and see if you can find a more satisfactory grip on the glock. This stuff is supposed to be fun though, if your gear is making you miserable, change it.
I fully agree - little changes can have a big impact. I Ultimately made the switch to the M&P - no regrets.
John_Wayne777
01-26-11, 08:31
Or should I just man up and stick with what I've got? I'll probably end up doing this, but shooting the M&P was far more comfortable than the Glock.
Many users find that the ergonomics of Glock pistols leave much to be desired. As an example, the slide of Glock pistols has a tendency to shred the web of my hand when I shoot them. I can usually draw blood within a box or two of ammo...copious amounts of blood if I continue past that point. Luckily the popularity of the Glock family of pistols and the simplicity of their design has led to quite a large aftermarket that you can probably pull a solution from.
Doing so would almost certainly be cheaper than buying a new gun and would allow you to continue using your AA kit...which is a valuable training tool for the Glock pistol.
The Ruger MK-whatever pistols are very nice rimfires indeed...but their sights and trigger will not come close to replicating the sights and the trigger of an M&P, giving you very little crossover should you pick up the M&P. Understanding the fundamentals of shooting is good, but you are also looking to program a specific type of fine motor movement to the point of unconscious competence. That is generally achieved through many repititions of that exact movement.
In other words, if you want drill proper control of an M&P trigger into your subconscious, you are going to need to use an M&P trigger. That's not what a Ruger MK-whatever gives you.
I have a gen4 G19. I use the medium backstrap, but cut the bottom off to give it a grip reduced feel. If you have a gen3, your only option would be a full out grip reduction, which will cost probably over $100 (I've never had one done).
That said, the only reason I see not to switch to the M&P is if you just like the size of the G19. If the extra length of the M&P is fine, go with it.
ETA: I think Boresight is the one that people here like
http://www.boresightsolutions.com/
I believe that Ben who runs it is a member here. Hopefully I'm not confusing two companies.
http://www.coldborecustom.com/
This guy does good work as well.
Also S&W introduced a M&P .22 at SHOT.
The G19 is one of the FINEST defensive weapons ever made. With that said, the ergo's/fit for some peoples hands just does not work.
If you like the gun (meaning shoot it well), then I would consider having someone like Bowie, Boresight, etc do a frame reduction.
If you cannot live with the gun, let me know and maybe we can do some horse trading for an M&P and your G19.
C4
RogerinTPA
01-26-11, 10:57
I currently have a Glock 19 and an Advantage Arms kit for it. It's not a bad pistol, but it is uncomfortable for me to shoot. My trigger finger rubs between the trigger and the trigger guard, and for some reason it causes my hand to cramp up after a few hundred (~300) rounds.
I like the conversion kit, but it's rather finicky, and the main reason I need a .22lr isn't to learn the trigger, but to simply start building good habits. All I'm going to be using is .22lr for a while, because even with 9mm I have a flinch or anticipation.
Would I be better off getting a Ruger Mk III and an M&P 9? I've had an M&P before, had to sell it, and decided to try out the Glock 19 once I had the funds. The rental felt good, but I only put 100 rounds through it, so I didn't realize how irritating it could get after only 200 rounds more.
I've seriously tried warming up to it, but it's just rather uncomfortable to shoot. I liked the M&P far more, and for some reason I shot better with it. I might not even shoot the M&P for a while, and just work on fundamentals with the Mk III, but the Glock 19 is simply not comfortable to shoot, even with the AA kit (my finger still rubs).
Or should I just man up and stick with what I've got? I'll probably end up doing this, but shooting the M&P was far more comfortable than the Glock.
Do it. I did it for all the same reasons. Most folks wouldn't shoot unless they enjoyed it. Once I got the M&P45, and put a few hundred rounds through it. I took a couple of 500 round 1 day pistol courses and was so impressed, I traded in all my other pistols for the M&P40, 9 and 9c. It is the most comfortable and enjoyable 45 platforms out there besides the HK for me. The 9s have well over 10K rounds on them. I truly enjoy shooting all those pistols. I couldn't enjoy shooting my G23, even though I shot it pretty well and I owed it for over a decade and rarely got shot. The grip and recoil just sucked dog balls. The Glock grip I believe was designed for one handed marksmanship and not modern day two handed combat shooting, which is probably the reason why the grip sucks for me and others. On the flip side of the coin, others will sing high praise for the Glock, which is cool, but if I were to own another, it will get a trip to boresightsolutions for a grip reduction. Get the M&P.
I currently have a Glock 19 and an Advantage Arms kit for it. It's not a bad pistol, but it is uncomfortable for me to shoot. My trigger finger rubs between the trigger and the trigger guard, and for some reason it causes my hand to cramp up after a few hundred (~300) rounds.
I like the conversion kit, but it's rather finicky, and the main reason I need a .22lr isn't to learn the trigger, but to simply start building good habits. All I'm going to be using is .22lr for a while, because even with 9mm I have a flinch or anticipation.
Would I be better off getting a Ruger Mk III and an M&P 9? I've had an M&P before, had to sell it, and decided to try out the Glock 19 once I had the funds. The rental felt good, but I only put 100 rounds through it, so I didn't realize how irritating it could get after only 200 rounds more.
I've seriously tried warming up to it, but it's just rather uncomfortable to shoot. I liked the M&P far more, and for some reason I shot better with it. I might not even shoot the M&P for a while, and just work on fundamentals with the Mk III, but the Glock 19 is simply not comfortable to shoot, even with the AA kit (my finger still rubs).
Or should I just man up and stick with what I've got? I'll probably end up doing this, but shooting the M&P was far more comfortable than the Glock.
I believe that the G19 is ergonomically perfect, it offers no extraneous controls other than a slide release, and a mag release, it points perfectly for me(all Glocks do), and I can fire hundreds of rounds per session with perfect ease and comfort...
If you are so negatively influenced by your G19, if it's so obviously ill-suited to your hand, I don't see any point to asking advice on what we might think about you switching to another model! If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.
Well get an M&P if you want. If you are not quite ready to give up on the Glock I have heard some good reviews on this product.
http://gripforceproducts.com/
Seems like an easy way to ad a beaver tail to a glock and change the grip up a little bit. I will give you a review when I get mine and give it a try.
TheSmiter1
01-27-11, 00:13
I believe that the G19 is ergonomically perfect, it offers no extraneous controls other than a slide release, and a mag release, it points perfectly for me(all Glocks do), and I can fire hundreds of rounds per session with perfect ease and comfort...
If you are so negatively influenced by your G19, if it's so obviously ill-suited to your hand, I don't see any point to asking advice on what we might think about you switching to another model! If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.
I ask because I'm unsure as to whether or not I should switch based solely on comfort. I'm not 100%, so I thought I'd get some input. That's not so wrong, is it?
I think I'll just deal with it for now, unless I can a local sale for a favorable price. Maybe I'll get some gloves. Are Mechanix gloves decent for shooting, or are gloves detrimental to shooting in general?
Many users find that the ergonomics of Glock pistols leave much to be desired. As an example, the slide of Glock pistols has a tendency to shred the web of my hand when I shoot them. I can usually draw blood within a box or two of ammo...copious amounts of blood if I continue past that point. Luckily the popularity of the Glock family of pistols and the simplicity of their design has led to quite a large aftermarket that you can probably pull a solution from.
yeah not much of a beavertail. I find glock ergos work very well for me, but i sometimes get a little slide contact if i'm running a lot of holster drills and things that require to me get a fast grip on the gun.
they released an M&P .22 at shot if you choose to continue training with .22
I ask because I'm unsure as to whether or not I should switch based solely on comfort. I'm not 100%, so I thought I'd get some input. That's not so wrong, is it?
I think I'll just deal with it for now, unless I can a local sale for a favorable price. Maybe I'll get some gloves. Are Mechanix gloves decent for shooting, or are gloves detrimental to shooting in general?
Nothing wrong with gloves, but I have yet to find a pair that doesn't cause some degradation of dexterity. Make sure you try some on and get ones that your fingers go to the ends of without having excess material at the tips. So far, the best ones I've found have been the regular Hatch Specialist gloves. I can pull a credit card out of my wallet without taking them off. I've found the Oakley gloves with the carbon fiber knuckle protectors to be decent, but not quite as dexterous. I also had a pair come apart at the finger tips from getting mags in and out of my chest rig in a carbine course. The velcro on the pouches pulled out the stitching in the fingertips. Oakley replaced them for free, and now I know to use a different chest rig.
Anyway, as the folks before me have said, shooting is supposed to be fun, and it's far too expensive to be doing it if it's not.
If the G19 doesn't do it for you, I'm sure you can find someone who will take it off your hands....Glocks hold their value fairly well, so you won't take too much of a bath. Get something that's comfortable for YOU.
I'll agree with the others in that you should shoot what you're comfortable with. The G19 and the M&P are both fine pistols, I have both.
I have an Advantage Arms kit for my G26 and have not had a problem in the 1st 1K rounds. Just regular cleaning. If you want to try to improve yours here is a thread that talks about that.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1251184
Dave
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