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So I have been looking at getting a SR25 or OBR, after basicly throwing a dart at the two, the OBR won out, my question now is 18" or 20" what are the pros and cons of each? I'm personally leaning 20", but than again I know nothing about how the 18" works.
Littlelebowski
02-21-11, 13:51
18" probably will not have enough power to get you to 1000 yards if that matters. Otherwise, better in every way.
18" probably will not have enough power to get you to 1000 yards if that matters. Otherwise, better in every way.
Can you elaborate?
Littlelebowski
02-21-11, 14:30
Gas guns give up a little velocity to bolt guns because they tap off a little of the gases that propel the bullet to operate the weapon. My brother teaches a long range shooting course and the 18" gas guns starting going subsonic around 800 yards with a complete loss of predictability and reliability compared to when the round is supersonic.
The 18" gun will be lighter, handier, and more practical for everything you want to do with it. If you must ring steel at 1k, buy a $700 Remington 700.
Gas guns give up a little velocity to bolt guns because they tap off a little of the gases that propel the bullet to operate the weapon. My brother teaches a long range shooting course and the 18" gas guns starting going subsonic around 800 yards with a complete loss of predictability and reliability compared to when the round is supersonic.
The 18" gun will be lighter, handier, and more practical for everything you want to do with it. If you must ring steel at 1k, buy a $700 Remington 700.
Got it, I know on a rifle acion in 5.56 you loose less than 10 fps, but I dont know the loss of 2" in a 308.
Got it, I know on a rifle acion in 5.56 you loose less than 10 fps, but I dont know the loss of 2" in a 308.
Guys who are pushing the 308 out to 1K are generally doing this with bolt guns and handloads that are pushing the limits of COAL to squeeze every bit velocity. Most autoloaders are going to have more limitations when it comes to COAL that limits performance to around 800 yards.
Guys who are pushing the 308 out to 1K are generally doing this with bolt guns and handloads that are pushing the limits of COAL to squeeze every bit velocity. Most autoloaders are going to have more limitations when it comes to COAL that limits performance to around 800 yards.
So then going from 20" to 18" isnt going to make any difference than?
Littlelebowski
02-21-11, 18:16
So then going from 20" to 18" isnt going to make any difference than?
Again, so long as you're not trying to get past 800, no difference.
So then going from 20" to 18" isnt going to make any difference than?
There will be no significant difference between 18 and 20 inch. KevinB has some posted sub MOA groups created by a 16" SR25EMC at 800 yards. Keep in mind that the 168 gr OTM will not do well beyond 700-800 yards due to trans-sonic stability issues. Stick with 175 grain or some bullet other than 168 OTM.
Also, the OBR is a great choice.
There will be no significant difference between 18 and 20 inch. KevinB has some posted sub MOA groups created by a 16" SR25EMC at 800 yards. Keep in mind that the 168 gr OTM will not do well beyond 700-800 yards due to trans-sonic stability issues. Stick with 175 grain or some bullet other than 168 OTM.
Also, the OBR is a great choice.
I pretty much only use 175 gr home rolled, in my bolt gun. I have been shooting AR's for quite some time, but never a gas gun for long range, heck its time to jump in. I know the difference from a 20" AR to a 18" AR using a rifle action gas system is less than 10 fps, so I was curious what the 308's difference was. The thing I like about a 18" its quicker, and much handier.
Belmont31R
02-21-11, 18:53
I pretty much only use 175 gr home rolled, in my bolt gun. I have been shooting AR's for quite some time, but never a gas gun for long range, heck its time to jump in. I was curious as the difference from a 20" AR to a 18" AR using a rifle action gas system is less than 10 fps, so I was curious what the 308's difference was. The thing I like about a 18" its quicker, and much handier.
Knights has stated the difference in velocity between 20" and 16" was less than 100FPS.
Im no expert at this but I think you really only see good 308 velocities once you get up into the 24-26" barrel length ranges. If you are looking at 18" vs. 20" its splitting hairs performance wise but I would say the 18" is 2" less than the 20" which gives you a greater handiness than you lose from the 2" velocity wise.
Ive found my EMC to be very effective at 750. Ive only shot it to 1k a few times but out to 750 its very accurate. I wouldn't worry so much about barrel length but ensuring the gun has the accuracy & reliability, your optic meets your needs, and the ammo you are using is good for those ranges.
For 1k/(+) I would be shooting a bolt gun in either a high BC caliber and/or a magnum like 300WM/6.5/338.
I am lucky enough my regular range is 1k yards, and the magnum bolt guns rule the roost at 1k. At 750 I am able to engage targets just as accurately and much quicker than the bolt gun guys.
Knights has stated the difference in velocity between 20" and 16" was less than 100FPS.
Im no expert at this but I think you really only see good 308 velocities once you get up into the 24-26" barrel length ranges. If you are looking at 18" vs. 20" its splitting hairs performance wise but I would say the 18" is 2" less than the 20" which gives you a greater handiness than you lose from the 2" velocity wise.
Ive found my EMC to be very effective at 750. Ive only shot it to 1k a few times but out to 750 its very accurate. I wouldn't worry so much about barrel length but ensuring the gun has the accuracy & reliability, your optic meets your needs, and the ammo you are using is good for those ranges.
For 1k/(+) I would be shooting a bolt gun in either a high BC caliber and/or a magnum like 300WM/6.5/338.
I am lucky enough my regular range is 1k yards, and the magnum bolt guns rule the roost at 1k. At 750 I am able to engage targets just as accurately and much quicker than the bolt gun guys.
Now to add more into the fray, a buddy of mine just got a LMT 308 in 16" SS, he said they can be had in 18" and 20" but were out of 18's. He said he went that way as they won the British sniper trials, and included BUIS, sling, better manual and the ability to change barrels easy, all for less than the OBR.
The 18" 7.62 OBR will get to 1000 no problem.
I did it 4x in a row at the 2010 Larue Range Day (because my spotter was kickass).
Littlelebowski
02-22-11, 08:51
The 18" 7.62 OBR will get to 1000 no problem.
I did it 4x in a row at the 2010 Larue Range Day (because my spotter was kickass).
We saw 18" DPMS SASS rifles not get to 1k at 4800' at my brother's class in Wyoming. I believe they were running FGMM.
For what it's worth, my 16in OBR with M118LR @ 2460FPS made consecutive hits @ 960yards. I'm sure 1000yards is doable.
Here's an AAR I did up on the Precision Rifle Class where I took my 960yard hits:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=72150
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000940.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000961.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000970.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000969.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000995.jpg
Now to add more into the fray, a buddy of mine just got a LMT 308 in 16" SS, he said they can be had in 18" and 20" but were out of 18's. He said he went that way as they won the British sniper trials, and included BUIS, sling, better manual and the ability to change barrels easy, all for less than the OBR.
You don't get out much do you? :D Just kidding, the LMT has been discussed ad nauseum for months and months in the Beyond 556 forum. Plenty to read if you are so inclined.
You don't get out much do you? :D Just kidding, the LMT has been discussed ad nauseum for months and months in the Beyond 556 forum. Plenty to read if you are so inclined.
I have read there, problem is what I feel I'm looking for is right here in precision semis, forum what I saw there was how "how about", "my" "whats the", I have narrowed it down to either the LMT or OBR, 18" barrel, now its really what are the pros and cons of those two rifles? I was hoping real accuracy shooters who own either of these two would chime in, and share their thoughts, observations, etc
ETA, Allot of the LMT discussions are with the chrome lined 16". barrel, I'm looking for more a target, vs MBR
Belmont31R
02-23-11, 10:21
I have read there, problem is what I feel I'm looking for is right here in precision semis, forum what I saw there was how "how about", "my" "whats the", I have narrowed it down to either the LMT or OBR, 18" barrel, now its really what are the pros and cons of those two rifles? I was hoping real accuracy shooters who own either of these two would chime in, and share their thoughts, observations, etc
ETA, Allot of the LMT discussions are with the chrome lined 16". barrel, I'm looking for more a target, vs MBR
I would get the OBR.
Littlelebowski
02-23-11, 10:33
I would get the OBR.
Me too. One of the best places for researching this is snipershide.com/forum
I love mine, hence why I'm consolidating down my .308s lately.
I have read there, problem is what I feel I'm looking for is right here in precision semis, forum what I saw there was how "how about", "my" "whats the", I have narrowed it down to either the LMT or OBR, 18" barrel, now its really what are the pros and cons of those two rifles? I was hoping real accuracy shooters who own either of these two would chime in, and share their thoughts, observations, etc
ETA, Allot of the LMT discussions are with the chrome lined 16". barrel, I'm looking for more a target, vs MBR
Some of the light bulb moments for me was what kind of MOA can the barrel give me. A lot of people will test out the MOA of their gun at 100 yards. What I want to know is if MOA is achieved at 100 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards and so forth.
When I did my part, and the stars aligned, I was able to gain a 5.6in group at 600yards but it was only 3 shots. Again, this with a a 16in OBR with M118LR. If you really want specifics for this group, I can get it later tonight for you when I get off work and reference my data book.
-Carlo
I love mine, hence why I'm consolidating down my .308s lately.
Same here. I actualy sold my used AIAE and bought a new OBR 16in gun lol
I'll pick up another bolt down the round but it will have to be under $2000.
Some of the light bulb moments for me was what kind of MOA can the barrel give me. A lot of people will test out the MOA of their gun at 100 yards. What I want to know is if MOA is achieved at 100 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards and so forth.
When I did my part, and the stars aligned, I was able to gain a 5.6in group at 600yards but it was only 3 shots. Again, this with a a 16in OBR with M118LR. If you really want specifics for this group, I can get it later tonight for you when I get off work and reference my data book.
-Carlo
Same here. I actualy sold my used AIAE and bought a new OBR 16in gun lol
I'll pick up another bolt down the round but it will have to be under $2000.
This is what I'm looking for, here, not fanboy stuff, but the truely helpfull info in this forum. I did do some quick figuring this am, and when all the dust settles the OBR might just be cheaper, I really dont need or want BUIS, will I really change from a 18"? Doubt it, the oBR allready has a Geissel trigger, and IIRC 2 mags. From the serious side it will out shoot me. so I can grow into it.
If you truly want a straight precision AR than I wouldn't get a .308 at all....much better calibers avail. using the .308 case.
With the MWS you can have a 16" Rock SST that has been proven in Astan to be effective up to 1300m, as well as the 20" Rock .260 rem barrel that can turn your .308 Recce type(16" Rock SST) within about a minute into a true precision rifle that will be unmatched by any .308 chambered gun. 6.5creedmoor Rock SS barrel will be a superior option to the .308 as well.
For a .308 precision gun, call it a coin flip b/t the SST barreled MWS and the OBR....for a true precision gun in general, no doubt I am going with a Rock 5R SS .260 rem MWS.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case-for-260-remington/
If you truly want a straight precision AR than I wouldn't get a .308 at all....much better calibers avail. using the .308 case.
With the MWS you can have a 16" Rock SST that has been proven in Astan to be effective up to 1300m, as well as the 20" Rock .260 rem barrel that can turn your .308 Recce type(16" Rock SST) within about a minute into a true precision rifle that will be unmatched by any .308 chambered gun. 6.5creedmoor Rock SS barrel will be a superior option to the .308 as well.
For a .308 precision gun, call it a coin flip b/t the SST barreled MWS and the OBR....for a true precision gun in general, no doubt I am going with a Rock 5R SS .260 rem MWS.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case-for-260-remington/
All good points, here is what I came up with,
OBR
1. Giessel Trigger
2. Two magazines
3. 2,999.00
4. 3,439.00 with OBR scope mount and SOPMOD stock.
LMT MWS
1. Quick change barrel
2. BUIS
3. 3360.00
4. 3500.00+ with a scope mount
Seems pretty clear cut now, even though Trident, brings up some good points, it still hard to overcome the MWS's initial cost, and upgrade/change costs.
Nothing wrong with the MWS, but the quality of product you get from the OBR is just MILES ahead of the MWS. It's also a really soft shooting platform considering it's .308, and it's fantastic suppressed with the port selector gas block.
I'd take it hands down over an MWS any day of the week.
Nothing wrong with the MWS, but the quality of product you get from the OBR is just MILES ahead of the MWS. It's also a really soft shooting platform considering it's .308, and it's fantastic suppressed with the port selector gas block.
I'd take it hands down over an MWS any day of the week.
Yes, I'am leaning hard on the OBR, and yes I do like the 308. To be honest, I will bet it will out shoot my skills. Where is the best place to buy a OBR?
Yes, I'am leaning hard on the OBR, and yes I do like the 308. To be honest, I will bet it will out shoot my skills. Where is the best place to buy a OBR?
Larue Tactical. They're built to order.
For what it's worth, my 16in OBR with M118LR @ 2460FPS made consecutive hits @ 960yards. I'm sure 1000yards is doable.
Here's an AAR I did up on the Precision Rifle Class where I took my 960yard hits:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=72150
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000940.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000961.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000970.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000969.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/C45P312/Shooting%20Classes/Vapor%20Trail%20Tactical%20Jan%202011/P1000995.jpg
Nice pics and report... Thanks for sharing!!!
18" probably will not have enough power to get you to 1000 yards if that matters. Otherwise, better in every way.
Hmmm....are you sure? This is the report from a 16inch OBR @ 1K...
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1531299
MW
Littlelebowski
02-25-11, 13:44
Hmmm....are you sure? This is the report from a 16inch OBR @ 1K...
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1531299
MW
Did you not read my real world account posted in this very thread? Yes, I am sure about what we saw happen. I am not sure about this being a general rule but it certainly happened as I posted about in this thread.
I'm really enjoying this thread. Waiting on a 18" LaRue OBR right now. Been glass shopping for a week or so. Thanks for the good info.
Belmont31R
02-25-11, 17:53
I'm really enjoying this thread. Waiting on a 18" LaRue OBR right now. Been glass shopping for a week or so. Thanks for the good info.
Get as good of glass as you can afford. No sense spending 3k+ on a precision rifle and then jipping yourself optics wise. I would look at NF as a minimum.
Did you not read my real world account posted in this very thread? Yes, I am sure about what we saw happen. I am not sure about this being a general rule but it certainly happened as I posted about in this thread.
So is the gentleman from the link I posted incorrect about what he did with his 16inch OBR?
Your comparing the DPMS to the OBR in terms of performance?
I have spoke to 2 well reputed gentlemen regarding their first hand accounts of what they have done with their OBR's @ 1000+...
Please elaborate further.
MW
Get as good of glass as you can afford. No sense spending 3k+ on a precision rifle and then jipping yourself optics wise. I would look at NF as a minimum.Great advice. I'll probably ask here in this thread after I narrow it down. I was looking hard at NF optics. My real purpose for the gun is research for a novel I'm writing. I'll need it to function in a true 1x environment as well as hit out to 600 yards. Secondary purpose is for range fun/hunting and SHTF insurance.
Littlelebowski
02-25-11, 18:34
So is the gentleman from the link I posted incorrect about what he did with his 16inch OBR?
Your comparing the DPMS to the OBR in terms of performance?
I have spoke to 2 well reputed gentlemen regarding their first hand accounts of what they have done with their OBR's @ 1000+...
Please elaborate further.
MW
I'm talking about length of barrel needed to get you to 1k. I related a real world event and have heard enough contradictory evidence from folks I know personally in this thread to say now, 18" should be enough.
I have shot several 18" and 20" bolt rifles and 18" M1-A's and H&K
91's to 850 yards with no problems.
In a 24" bolt rifle 168 Federal Match will sometimes stay supersonic to 1000 yards. The mext day with a little change in the temp or humidity it will not...
The old 172gr Military LC Match has always shot good at 1000 for me.
The 175gr Federal Match was designed to duplicate the LC Match, with even a more accurate bullet.
Staying supersonic in a gas gun, even a 22" M1-A, ALL the time can be hard on the gun.
Military teams that shoot the Service rifle at 1000 usually have a dedicated 1000 yard gas gun. Since in Target shooting you only load one at a time they do the barrel like a 1000 yard bolt rifle and long throat the barrel so they can seat thier bullets our long for more powder in the case.
They also use a little smaller gas port, a shorter front sight so the rear aperature does not have to stick up so high, etc.
I used to shoot Service Rifle, Palma, and 1000 yard Any-Any.
Have you given the new OBR Predatar thats coming out in the summer a thought?
Have you given the new OBR Predatar thats coming out in the summer a thought?
Not knocking it at all, but I prefer the thicker barrel on the OBR... No facts, just personal pref...
The weight and price reduction are nice though...
Long as we're talking about LaRue...
Get some...
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/catalog/BCAFrontBack_thumb.jpg
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=526
I often thank god my mother has now survived it twice....
Sorry for the topic jack, back on track... ;)
Have you given the new OBR Predatar thats coming out in the summer a thought?
Have not heard about it, hows it spec'd?
Belmont31R
03-04-11, 18:52
Have not heard about it, hows it spec'd?
Light weight SS barrel, lightweight version of the OBR rail, and zero MOA in the top rail.
More of a "hunting" gun I suspect esp given the name. I wouldn't look to it for serious use outside of the normal rigors a hunting gun would expect.
Its why you rarely find lightweight SS barrels on tactical guns. Some comp guys use them but they can change them out when needed.
The price and weight does go down, though. The weight is inline with the EMC and SCAR-H.
Light weight SS barrel, lightweight version of the OBR rail, and zero MOA in the top rail.
More of a "hunting" gun I suspect esp given the name. I wouldn't look to it for serious use outside of the normal rigors a hunting gun would expect.
Its why you rarely find lightweight SS barrels on tactical guns. Some comp guys use them but they can change them out when needed.
The price and weight does go down, though. The weight is inline with the EMC and SCAR-H.
Might be interesting, but probably not. Specs?
Light weight SS barrel, lightweight version of the OBR rail, and zero MOA in the top rail.
More of a "hunting" gun I suspect esp given the name. I wouldn't look to it for serious use outside of the normal rigors a hunting gun would expect.
Its why you rarely find lightweight SS barrels on tactical guns. Some comp guys use them but they can change them out when needed.
The price and weight does go down, though. The weight is inline with the EMC and SCAR-H.
Since no one owns a PredatAR yet, this is pure speculation. Let's hold off on relegating the gun to the range and the deer stand until folks have actually had a chance to wring it out.
For all I know you may be right, but don't preach the gospel until the fat lady sings, if I may be allowed to mangle metaphors.
Since no one owns a PredatAR yet, this is pure speculation. Let's hold off on relegating the gun to the range and the deer stand until folks have actually had a chance to wring it out.
For all I know you may be right, but don't preach the gospel until the fat lady sings, if I may be allowed to mangle metaphors.
Actually, I think they are shipping and a few folks over on (I can't say the sites name or a few folks will cry) have then and have posted pics of them...
Belmont31R
03-05-11, 12:57
Since no one owns a PredatAR yet, this is pure speculation. Let's hold off on relegating the gun to the range and the deer stand until folks have actually had a chance to wring it out.
For all I know you may be right, but don't preach the gospel until the fat lady sings, if I may be allowed to mangle metaphors.
Lightweight SS barrels are simply not good for sustained fire. Its not speculation.
This why the Noveske lightweight SS barrels are in the "Rogue Hunter" line or the competition NST uppers.
You can certainly use one however you want but you'll burn out of the barrel much quicker under heavy use compared to a medium profile or larger contour.
Lightweight SS barrels are simply not good for sustained fire. Its not speculation.
This why the Noveske lightweight SS barrels are in the "Rogue Hunter" line or the competition NST uppers.
You can certainly use one however you want but you'll burn out of the barrel much quicker under heavy use compared to a medium profile or larger contour.
Sure, but no one has seen the entire barrel profile yet. For all we know it could just be very thin from the gas block to the muzzle, and medium profile everywhere else.
I'm not saying thin SS barrels are not great for sustained fire, I'm saying let's wait to see what the PredatAR's barrel profile actually turns out to be.
Actually, I think they are shipping and a few folks over on (I can't say the sites name or a few folks will cry) have then and have posted pics of them...
Found them, sweeeeeeeeeeeat, but now I need one of each! I need a new job!
Belmont31R
03-05-11, 17:53
Sure, but no one has seen the entire barrel profile yet. For all we know it could just be very thin from the gas block to the muzzle, and medium profile everywhere else.
I'm not saying thin SS barrels are not great for sustained fire, I'm saying let's wait to see what the PredatAR's barrel profile actually turns out to be.
There are pictures of the barrel.
Lots of guys are shooting MK316 out to 1K(+) with EMCs and 16" OBRs. I would feel pretty comfortable lobbing rounds in at those distances with either one.
There are pictures of the barrel.
I know get both, damn you Mark!
There are pictures of the barrel.
I've seen a photo of the 5.56 PredatAR barrel, but not the .308. What does the .308 barrel look like?
I've seen a photo of the 5.56 PredatAR barrel, but not the .308. What does the .308 barrel look like?
Typically cylindrical with some threads on the end.
I'm at a fork in the road. I just got my CQBSS, and simply put even with this or an S&B there's a point where you're basically going from a heavy caliber carbine, to something that's a more mobile precision rig.
I had a conversation today with a couple forum members, discussing this "Sea Change" and how even with a system like a 1-8x there's no magic bullet. This won't be as fast as a system like the T1, and not quite as versatile for long range as one of the dedicated optical scopes. So as I discussed I'm at that fork where either I keep the gun with a T1, and diminish it's capability for long range, or run the CQBSS (ditching the cool guy shit like light and laser) in favor of something that can easily ring steel with FGMM or AMAX ammo, but admit this thing will not out race 5.56 carbines up close.
Tricky. Not sure which route I'll take.
Its incredibly tough to beat a nxs compact 2.5-10x24 w. a T-1 in a LT-724 mount.
Light weight SS barrel, lightweight version of the OBR rail, and zero MOA in the top rail.
More of a "hunting" gun I suspect esp given the name. I wouldn't look to it for serious use outside of the normal rigors a hunting gun would expect.
Its why you rarely find lightweight SS barrels on tactical guns. Some comp guys use them but they can change them out when needed.
The price and weight does go down, though. The weight is inline with the EMC and SCAR-H.
I thought I read somewhere it was also targeted towards 3 gun shooters, I am sure its not only meerly good for hunting.
Belmont31R
03-06-11, 12:01
I thought I read somewhere it was also targeted towards 3 gun shooters, I am sure its not only meerly good for hunting.
I mentioned some comp[etition] guys use them. NST for one off the top of my head.
Im just saying it would not be as durable of a barrel as the regular 'full figure' OBR barrel depending on your uses.
Ok i've been looking at LT for my next AR, and comparing the OBR with Predatar...
Got a question about the OBR. Is there really a need for 10moa cant on a 12" AR? The reason i ask is a 12" barrel is what i'm looking for.
I can see the 10moa cant on a .308 or a 18-20" 5.56, but a 12"?
Ok i've been looking at LT for my next AR, and comparing the OBR with Predatar...
Got a question about the OBR. Is there really a need for 10moa cant on a 12" AR? The reason i ask is a 12" barrel is what i'm looking for.
I can see the 10moa cant on a .308 or a 18-20" 5.56, but a 12"?
Be sure to do your research before going with a sub-16" gun in .308 so that you know it's significant limitations. At twelve inches, you are shooting an AK with twice the recoil and flash.
As for you original question, there is no point in the 10 MOA cant for barrels less than 16".
Belmont31R
03-07-11, 16:27
Be sure to do your research before going with a sub-16" gun in .308 so that you know it's significant limitations. At twelve inches, you are shooting an AK with twice the recoil and flash.
As for you original question, there is no point in the 10 MOA cant for barrels less than 16".
I think he is talking about the 556 OBR since as far as I know the OBR only comes in 16, 18, and 20 inches.
Agree in no point on a built in cant on a 12" gun even in 556.
I think he is talking about the 556 OBR since as far as I know the OBR only comes in 16, 18, and 20 inches.
Agree in no point on a built in cant on a 12" gun even in 556.
Bingo
Nothing wrong with the MWS, but the quality of product you get from the OBR is just MILES ahead of the MWS. It's also a really soft shooting platform considering it's .308, and it's fantastic suppressed with the port selector gas block.
I'd take it hands down over an MWS any day of the week.
I have an 18" OBR and love it!
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