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D. Christopher
03-01-11, 15:32
Last night the Illinois attorney general released a letter stating that the ISP must release the names of all IL. state residents who are authorized to own a firearm.
ChicagoTex
03-01-11, 16:23
I always knew Lisa Madigan couldn't be trusted, but this is beyond the pale.
Sources for those who, like me, didn't believe it at first:
Atlantic Wire (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Illinois-Attorney-General-Instructs-Police-to-Release-Names-of-Gun-Owners-7196/)
Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-gunowners-disclos,0,5686959.story)
Wonder what they are going to use that information for..........
Only a matter of time before something like this happened.
This is a blatant attack against firearms owners. It's not hard to see.
What possible good reason is there to expose firearm owners? NONE.
It's an effort to instill fear in gun owners and also make in extremely difficult in getting jobs and such when the potential employer finds out you own firearms through a background check.
It's an effort to instill fear in gun owners and also make in extremely difficult in getting jobs and such when the potential employer finds out you own firearms through a background check.
100%
Not to mention that now tech savy criminals know which homes contain firearms.
Course this is about what I've come to expect from IL politics.
D. Christopher
03-01-11, 17:33
I usually just ignore Illinois politics and laws but I believe there is a bill in in the IL. state House and Senate that if passed would prohibit releasing this information. I'm guessing that the anti-gun crowd are in a hurry to get this info released before a bill passes and then all of the names currently on the FOID list will be compromised. Then even if a bill is passed it will just be closing the barn door after the fact for anyone currently on the list.
Cagemonkey
03-01-11, 17:58
Theirs got to be some lawyers amongst us. I would presume this is a violation of the 4th Amendment. Licensing and registration is bad enough, listing the names of the licensees is dangerous.
SeriousStudent
03-01-11, 18:15
If it is released, and I hope it is not, it would be fascinating to scan the list. I will bet a Pmag that more than one anti-Second Amendment politician is listed as a gun owner.
More "do as I say, not as I do." :(
Cagemonkey
03-01-11, 18:25
If it is released, and I hope it is not, it would be fascinating to scan the list. I will bet a Pmag that more than one anti-Second Amendment politician is listed as a gun owner.
More "do as I say, not as I do." :(Do you really think such names would show up? Privileged elites would be scrubbed from the list.
DaBears_85
03-01-11, 18:28
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois State Police stood their ground Tuesday after the state's attorney general determined the agency must disclose the names of people authorized to own guns in Illinois to comply with public records law.
Attorney General Lisa Madigan's public access counselor issued a letter Monday night rejecting state police arguments that releasing the information is an unwarranted invasion of privacy prohibited by the state public records law or that its disclosure would automatically endanger the lives of gun owners or those who don't have firearms.
State police determine who gets Firearm Owners Identification cards but have always kept the information confidential.
Despite the decree, the names likely won't be uncloaked soon. A state police lawyer indicated in a letter Tuesday the agency planned to ask a judge to decide the matter. And Republican lawmakers have filed legislation to make names permanently private...
...Information about firearms -- and the state police enforcement of gun laws -- has been the subject of several AP requests during the past decade. In most cases, state police have denied disclosure.
Source - The Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-gunowners-disclos,0,5686959.story)
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan has issued a letter instructing state police to release the names of authorized gun owners in Illinois to the press, the Associated Press is reporting. State police had initially denied the AP's request for a list of Illinois residents with a Firearm Owners Identification card on the grounds that disclosing the names would violate the privacy of gun owners. The wire service explains that police officials have not indicated whether they will comply with Madigan's ruling, and that there are currently Republican-sponsored bills in the Illinois House and Senate that would prohibit disclosing this kind of information.
Source - The Atlantic Wire (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Illinois-Attorney-General-Instructs-Police-to-Release-Names-of-Gun-Owners-7196/)
Gauging from the articles linked to by ChicagoTex, it looks as though the Illinois State Police aren't going to comply with the request in the interest of protecting Illinois citizens' right to privacy. Which is kinda ironic when you consider the fact that a large part of the AG's job is protecting public interests (could've fooled me). Now I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to think that our privacy qualifies as public interest. I guess only time will tell wether or not there are any ulterior motives behind this.
In the meantime, I've sent an e-mail to the Attorney General's Office requesting that they make their intentions with the information, should it be released, a matter of public record. I suggest others do the same.
Office of the Illinois Attorney General contact info:
Springfield - main office
500 S. Second St.
Springfield, IL 62706
(217)-782-1090
Chicago - main office
100 W. Randolph St.
Chicago, IL 60601
(312)-814-3000
E-mail the Office of the Illinois Attorney General (http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/about/email_ag.jsp)
J
Cagemonkey
03-01-11, 18:44
From both of the articles linked to by the OP it looks as if the Illinois State Police won't comply with the request, in the interest of protecting Illinois citizen's right to privacy. Which is kinda ironic when you consider the fact that a large part of the Attorney General's job is protecting public interests. Now I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to think that our privacy qualifies as public interest. I guess only time will tell wether or not there are any ulterior motives behind this.
In the meantime, I've sent an e-mail to the Attorney General's Office requesting that they make their intentions with the information, should it be released, a matter of public record. I suggest others do the same.
Office of the Illinois Attorney General contact info:
Springfield - main office
500 S. Second St.
Springfield, IL 62706
(217)-782-1090
Chicago - main office
100 W. Randolph St.
Chicago, IL 60601
(312)-814-3000
E-mail the Office of the Illinois Attorney General (http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/about/email_ag.jsp)
JShe must be buddies with AG Holder.
Sorry to hear the AG is such an idiot and is unaware of the danger of publishing such a list.
Very glad to hear the ISP is wise enough to refuse her attempt.
Hopefully, the ISP will prevail!
I hate Chicago. I had to go there today for my daughter to see a specialist. They have great medical care there but man is that place hostile to the 2nd.
Buckaroo
DaBears_85
03-01-11, 21:51
Not to mention that now tech savy criminals know which homes contain firearms.
And more importantly, which homes don't contain firearms.
J
now I just have to explain to Mom and Dad how I'll never visit them at home and my wife will never see the house i grew up in. Thank you Illinois politics
Sorry to hear the AG is such an idiot and is unaware of the danger of publishing such a list.
I dont for one minute think that this is NOT a calculated move on her part. She knows what she is doing.
DaBears_85
03-02-11, 00:00
I dont for one minute think that this is NOT a calculated move on her part. She knows what she is doing.
Your post reminded me of an old FDR quote:
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
J
Spurholder
03-02-11, 11:51
It's been done elsewhere...most notably in Tennessee.
Check it out - a friggin' newspaper put up the state database...search all you want! Yep - crazy!
http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/gunpermits/
now I just have to explain to Mom and Dad how I'll never visit them at home and my wife will never see the house i grew up in. Thank you Illinois politics
And to think Ronald Reagan was born there. Talk about occupied territory.
Too bad we can't reclaim it for the Gipper.
Cincinnatus
03-02-11, 14:19
And to think Ronald Reagan was born there. Talk about occupied territory.
Too bad we can't reclaim it for the Gipper.
It's mostly Chicago, is it not, that is the problem? Afterall, most of souther Illinois is farm country--it's just that they're so outnumbered by the Chicago cesspool that they are voiceless; just like the folks in Northern Cali.
ShortytheFirefighter
03-02-11, 16:12
Bravo to the ISP for standing their ground, hopefully they keep shutting her down.
ThirdWatcher
03-02-11, 16:17
Your post reminded me of an old FDR quote:
"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
J
Kinda funny... I've thought this was the case for a long time but I didn't know FDR said it.
DaBears_85
03-02-11, 17:43
It's been done elsewhere...most notably in Tennessee.
Check it out - a friggin' newspaper put up the state database...search all you want! Yep - crazy!
http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/gunpermits/
So if Tennessee's system is any indicator, it will basically be a database for criminals. All I have to do is find a place I wish to rob, do a quick Internet search to figure out their names, enter them into the database and the AG does the rest! After I discover that there aren't any weapons on the premises all that's left for me to do is rob, rape and murder them. The AG's office has basically done all the hardwork for the criminals by taking all of the guesswork out of a home invasion. ****ing brilliant!
J
ChicagoTex
03-02-11, 18:40
So it's basically a database for criminals. All I have to do is find a place I wish to rob, do a quick Internet search to figure out their names, enter them into the database and the AG does the rest! After I discover that there aren't any weapons on the premises all that's left for me to do is rob, rape and murder them. The AG's office has basically done all the hardwork for the criminals by taking all of the guesswork out of a home invasion. ****ing brilliant!
While that would be true for IL, the list for TN is of CCW permit holders. As you're well aware, there are plenty of gun owners who keep guns for HD who don't have CCW permits.
DaBears_85
03-02-11, 19:06
While that would be true for IL, the list for TN is of CCW permit holders. As you're well aware, there are plenty of gun owners who keep guns for HD who don't have CCW permits.
Understood, I was referring to the Illinois database. I edited my above post for clarity.
J
Do you really think such names would show up? Privileged elites would be scrubbed from the list.
More likely that they wouldn't even bother with such trivialities as getting permission.
DaBears_85
03-03-11, 00:57
Here's a couple other excerpts from the Tribune article that I found interesting, maybe you guys will as well.
All quotes taken from The Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-gunowners-disclos,0,5686959.story).
State police officials, who claimed that Illinois law bars the disclosure because it is an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy, said they will challenge the ruling in court.
Madigan's decree refuted the police assertions about privacy and said officials had not proven their contention that making the records public would jeopardize anyone's safety.
Seriously? How does it not jeopardize anyone's safety.
The Illinois State Rifle Association disagreed. Director Richard Pearson said "there is no legitimate reason for anyone to have access to the information."
"The safety of real people is at stake here," Pearson said in a statement. "Once this information is released, it will be distributed to street gangs and gun-control groups who will use the data to target gun owners for crime and harassment."
This is the reasoning that was lost upon the Attorney General.
Mark Walsh, campaign director for the Illinois Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said there's more behind the issue than just publicizing names.
"Having those records in the public arena is also helpful in making sure that local law enforcement and the state police are following up with those people who have FOID cards who should be prohibited purchasers," Walsh said. Federal law prohibits felons from possessing guns.
No, that's just how you sell it to liberal ****tards who eat up whatever you (or any Democrat) tell them with a spoon.
"The random thug that wants to break into homes, I don't think that person has the wherewithal to match names, go through all those processes they'd have to go through to commit a crime like that," Zalewski said. "If it's the names alone, I side with the attorney general."
While I'd hate to break up the Mensa meeting, not every criminal is some random thug. I'm sure there's at least one criminal somewhere in Illinois that can access a computer and who is at least semi-intelligent, cause that's all it's gonna take.
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J
The IL House passed a FOID privacy bill today (HB3500 IIRC) - now on to the Senate!
boggyboy72
04-08-11, 23:24
This is a little off topic,but I have a question.
In June I'm going to a family reunion in Southern IL.I would have a chance to shoot at longer ranges and would like to take My AR.
If I come in contact with a LEO for whatever reason will I be in trouble?
ChicagoTex
04-09-11, 07:57
If I come in contact with a LEO for whatever reason will I be in trouble?
Nope. FOID regulations apply to Illinois residents only, if you're not an Illinois resident you've broken no laws*
*Unless you enter jurisdictions which make the transition from regulatory to prohibitive, i.e. most (if not all) of Cook County and DEFINETELY Chicago proper.
DO NOTE, however, that I am unsure as to whether it is legal for ammunition to be sold to non-residents without a FOID card, so if you intend to shoot, you may need to bring your own ammo or have a friend/relative with a FOID card buy it for you.
It's been done elsewhere...most notably in Tennessee.
Check it out - a friggin' newspaper put up the state database...search all you want! Yep - crazy!
http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/gunpermits/
Happened in VA a couple years ago with a Roanoke Times reporter and the CCW master list. The whole thing caused quite an uproar and the little bastard reporter (Trejbal I believe) claimed he received death threats and caused a bomb squad call out over a "suspicious package" that was a UPS (or USPS, FedEx, whatever) delivery. The police investigated and as NOT reported by the Roanoke Times found absolutely nothing to support any of his claims of harassment. He's also editorialized shortly thereafter that he doesn't yield to SUVs or anyone with bumper stickers that don't suit his political inclinations. He's a real class act.
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