Winchester 9mm 124gr NATO

[KintlaLake]

Up to now, I've fed my G19 a steady diet of 115gr FMJ (WWB, Blazer, and Amerc) and Cor-Bon 115gr JHP +P. No hiccups -- not a one.

I have no good reason to mess with success at this point, but I'm curious about the Winchester 124gr NATO (Q4318?) that AIM is offering (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of_Winchester_9mm_124grn_FMJ_NATO.html). I've seen anecdotal accounts about it, but I thought I'd post my curiosity here (where people actually can find their butt with both hands :D).

If you have experience with this round, I'd like to hear it.

[Robb Jensen]

All Glock 9mms are designed for NATO pressure 9mm handgun ammo (NATO pressure is roughly +P SAAMI spec and close to some +P+ pressures). A steady diet of it will not hurt the Glock.

[markm]

What is to wonder about? I can't really tell the diff between one 9mm round and another. The first time I fired some of my NATO 9mm I was expecting to feel a difference, but I really couldn't.

It's still just ball ammo... nothing magic or very different.

[KintlaLake]

What? No magic? And my Glock won't :eek: blow up?

:D Thanks, guys.

[mark5pt56]

There's a difference between the 115 WCC and the 124 WCC NATO. I have two 17's both have seen 20-25k, one, nothing but the 124 and 500 or so of the +P+ SXT. The other has seen a mix of both.

[markm]

What? No magic? And my Glock won't :eek: blow up?

:D Thanks, guys.

The only benefit to getting some of the NATO is that it's sealed at the primer and case mouth. That's why I keep a can of it around.... in case I'm going to be doing something where I'll likely be getting soaked.

[KintlaLake]

...it's sealed at the primer and case mouth. ...

Good point.

[Hawgleg44]

I bought a 1000 round case of it very inexpensively from a local distributor to use in a class I was instructing. My G17's and 19 ate it up fine in the students' hands. I've shot a few boxes of it myself without any issues.

[markm]

No offense guys....

But saying a Glock runs fine using high quality 9mm ball ammo is like saying the Sky is Blue... or Water is wet!! :p

[Hawgleg44]

No offense guys....

But saying a Glock runs fine using high quality 9mm ball ammo is like saying the Sky is Blue... or Water is wet!! :p

:o Very true! I was just answering the question. Personally, I haven't found a brand of ammo that any of my 7 Glocks I currently own, or the 5 Glocks that I've owned in the past, that they didn't like.

We did get a bad batch of Glocks for a T&E for the PD one time. They malfunctioned constantly with Speer Lawman ammo, which Glock supplied. Constant malfunctions in a G22, G21 and G23. The only one that didn't malfunction was the .45 GAP! The G22 made it through two mags without a malfunction the whole day!

It doesn't matter now. The PD is leaning towards M&P .40's anyway.

[KintlaLake]

I was just answering the question.

And I was just askin'. ;) I wasn't concerned about a kB! or about feeding my G19 ball ammo -- I simply wanted to hear from others who've had experience with the round. That's what I got...and I still haven't bought any.:D

[Bushytale]

Does anyone have the velocity specs for the Win. 124 Nato Aim is selling?

[KintlaLake]

Does anyone have the velocity specs for the Win. 124 Nato Aim is selling?

Would it be comparable to Winchester's RA9124N Ranger (http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/catalog/handgundetail.aspx?symbol=RA9124N) round?

[Robb Jensen]

9mm NATO is really just a pressure rating:

9mm Luger (US commercial standards)
9mm Para (European standards)
9x19 NATO

SAAMI:
9MM Luger = 35,000 psi / 9MM Luger +P = 38,500 psi

NATO:
9x19mm NATO = 41,415 psi


NATO Performance requirement: at 15 meters, can pierce 5 mild steel 1mm thick plates situated at 5cm one from the other.

SAAMI does not have a +P+ pressure rating. +P+ ammo is loaded to whatever the manufacturer wants.

Most NATO ammo is not loaded anywhere near the maximum pressure. The penetration requirement for NATO ammo can be achieved at lower pressures. NATO ammo is typically in the 34,000 to 38,000 psi range.

[KintlaLake]

9mm NATO is ...

Thanks, Mister Moderator. :D Yet another example of why I hang out 'round here.

[markm]

Would it be comparable to Winchester's RA9124N Ranger (http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/catalog/handgundetail.aspx?symbol=RA9124N) round?


Yes. It's the same round. I have some Q4318 and the Ranger stuff.

[Bushytale]

thanks

Billy

[BoyScout4Life]

Thanks, Mister Moderator. :D Yet another example of why I hang out 'round here.

+1 and Well Stated...;)