Red Dawn Goes Sum Of All Fears... [Archive]

SteyrAUG

03-19-11, 13:49

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/17/hollywood-bows-pending-chinese-box-office/

The remake just got a makeover, the bad guys are no longer Chinese, they are now North Koreans.

For all intents and purposes this movie just became irrelevant. And the left will be able to associate it's failings with a lack of interest in "ultra patriotic US propaganda."

Nice job Hollywood, way to **** up another one.

ssracer

03-19-11, 13:55

Two years later, the Chinese market is even more of an asset to American filmmakers, who are looking to squeeze money from all possible avenues amidst dwindling American box office returns.

Maybe they'd get more people to the theaters if it didn't cost $10 or more to see a movie. I keep saying man, I gotta see this or that in the theater...more often than not I just wait and buy it on bluray when it comes out for less than one movie ticket with a coke and popcorn would have cost me.

SteyrAUG

03-19-11, 14:04

Maybe they'd get more people to the theaters if it didn't cost $10 or more to see a movie. I keep saying man, I gotta see this or that in the theater...more often than not I just wait and buy it on bluray when it comes out for less than one movie ticket with a coke and popcorn would have cost me.

Yep, it's twice as much as it should be. We used to pay 2.50-3.50 in the early 80s, with inflation that is 5-6 bucks in today's dollar. Popcorn and coke should be $4 total not $12.

For the price of popcorn and movie I can get a good steak dinner. And I don't have to put up with the dipshits who can ruin the movie experience.

Cagemonkey

03-19-11, 14:13

North Koreans, Chinese. I'd consider them one of the same. Ones just overt in its intent, the other is covert. North Korea doesn't exist without Chinese backing.

Belmont31R

03-19-11, 14:16

They sure got all the bases covered in the cast. I saw an asian, some assorted whites, a black, latino, maybe a pacific islander. Its obvious the movie is being made by a bunch of PC weenies.

As far as movies I am in the buy it on DVD/BR crowd, too. If its good enough I want to watch it Id rather pay 20-25 for the copy I can watch when I want where I want how I want.

SteyrAUG

03-19-11, 15:52

North Koreans, Chinese. I'd consider them one of the same. Ones just overt in its intent, the other is covert. North Korea doesn't exist without Chinese backing.

And that is why the NK occupation of the US scenario is absurd. They don't even have the capacity to take over South Korea.

ICANHITHIMMAN

03-19-11, 18:00

And that is why the NK occupation of the US scenario is absurd. They don't even have the capacity to take over South Korea.

I agree quite absurd indeed. I have been waiting to hear about this movie and now I wait no more. WTF we have to pander to the chinese now too good god.

montanadave

03-19-11, 18:13

I agree quite absurd indeed. I have been waiting to hear about this movie and now I wait no more. WTF we have to pander to the chinese now too good god.

Don't you mean "panda to the chinese"? :sarcastic:

Armati

03-19-11, 18:16

Fail.

I was waiting to see this, but "**** YOU Hollywood." And I would encourage others to boycott this movie to. Self censorship? For shame Hollywood.

Most likely I will watch it on Netflix but I already pay $10 a month for it whether I watch anything or not.

And the 'foreign sales' excuse is just a poor cop out. The fact of the matter is that the Power Elite (Star Chamber/Illuminati/Reptillians ect.) who really run things do not want to rile the American rube-class when gas is $4 a gallon, home values are in the tank, and real unemployment is around 20%.

Changing the bad guys to North Korea also ties in well with the release of the "Homefront" video game and this will be good for crossbranding.

variablebinary

03-19-11, 19:22

JeepDriver

03-19-11, 19:36

For what it's worth

From the Red Dawn 2011 web site

Red Dawn 2011 Web Site Article (http://www.reddawn2011.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=165%3Ared-dawn-still-about-defending-our-homeland&catid=1%3Alocation-news&Itemid=17)

Again the majority of the changes are to the opening prologue by PIC Agency (click here to get an idea of their style) and two short scenes. The digital cover-up of on the banners will not change the look of the film much, as they are minimal. (Click here to see an email response from the producer at Ain't It Cool News on the subject.) The stage they set for this war will be more intense as the state of the world will be in a darker place then it was in the original opening. It also looks like the LA Times didn't get the whole story on who the invaders are. Yes, N. Korea is involved, but I was told that the invaders are a group made up of more than just N. Koreans.

Armati

03-19-11, 19:56

Lets consider this for a moment, can North Korea invade the USA? No, hell freaking no. They would drown on the way over.

Russia could invade the USA back in 1985.

Big difference.

Exactly.

You see, I think there is value in reminding the American people that China is not our friend. They are our competitor. And with very little effort, could become our enemy.

Americans should be further reminded that both Republicans and Democrats have instituted policies that intentionally built up China at the expense of American prosperity.

You see, America should be concerned about China. But, the Ruling Class (and they are Rulers) do not want Americans to think in China in a negative light.

TOrrock

03-19-11, 20:07

Why does anyone care? There was zero chance the original Red Dawn could be improved upon given the subject matter and pansy ass sensibilities of the current generation.

Lets consider this for a moment, can North Korea invade the USA? No, hell freaking no. They would drown on the way over.

Russia could invade the USA back in 1985.

Big difference.

Yup.

I knew they'd **** it up royally. If John Milius wanted to do a remake, or at least an additional movie based on that premise and story, say about another group of people in another part of the country at the same time, then I'd be all about it, especially now that he has access to real former Soviet equipment from the Warsaw Pact "going out of business sale" that occurred about 19 years ago.

SteyrAUG

03-19-11, 20:39

armakraut

03-19-11, 22:32

Sum Of All Chinese Investment

D. Christopher

03-19-11, 23:27

*****

Chameleox

03-20-11, 00:43

If John Milius wanted to do a remake, or at least an additional movie based on that premise and story, say about another group of people in another part of the country at the same time, then I'd be all about it, especially now that he has access to real former Soviet equipment from the Warsaw Pact "going out of business sale" that occurred about 19 years ago.

THAT would be worth seeing.

variablebinary

03-20-11, 01:13

Yes but the remake was completed with the Chinese as the invaders. It was changed to NK after the fact.

I realize that, which makes the change completely obnoxious.

Also, part of the original story was the role communist Cuba played in the invasion. This wouldn't fit in the 21st century, so a better angle would be American communists, globalist politicians, socialists, liberals and unions opening the invasion, with Chinese ground forces coming up through Mexico from factories they purchased to manufacture lead lined baby toys to sell at Walmart.

Mind you, that story would piss off every pinko from here to Mexico city, which is probably a good thing, because that means the movie is far more relevant than the bullshit PC story being done now.

Trajan

03-20-11, 11:09

China was our ally in the first Red Dawn.

VB's idea is much better however. Of course this movie is brought to us by those liberals (hollywood).

"It’s important to point out here that the new Red Dawn is essentially an action picture rather than agitprop cinema. The film was directed by veteran stunt coordinator Dan Bradley, who worked on the Spider-Man and Bourne films. As a result, the film is much less philosophically or ideologically oriented than John Milius’ original film, as Bradley keeps the emphasis on action and a brisk pace."

I think I'll wait for it to hit the internet in high definition.

SteyrAUG

03-20-11, 14:43

I realize that, which makes the change completely obnoxious.

Also, part of the original story was the role communist Cuba played in the invasion. This wouldn't fit in the 21st century, so a better angle would be American communists, globalist politicians, socialists, liberals and unions opening the invasion, with Chinese ground forces coming up through Mexico from factories they purchased to manufacture lead lined baby toys to sell at Walmart.

Mind you, that story would piss off every pinko from here to Mexico city, which is probably a good thing, because that means the movie is far more relevant than the bullshit PC story being done now.

That would be a good remake. I was hoping for a passable remake, but with the switch from China to NK I think I will simply Netlfix this one for the gun porn.

Chameleox

03-20-11, 14:47

...I think I will simply Netlfix this one for the gun porn.

The way this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if the gun porn gets edited out as well.:rolleyes:

arizonaranchman

03-20-11, 17:59

Exactly.

You see, I think there is value in reminding the American people that China is not our friend. They are our competitor. And with very little effort, could become our enemy.

Americans should be further reminded that both Republicans and Democrats have instituted policies that intentionally built up China at the expense of American prosperity.

You see, America should be concerned about China. But, the Ruling Class (and they are Rulers) do not want Americans to think in China in a negative light.

Amen. China is not an ally or friend in any way, shape or form. They are an enemy who sneers at us behind our backs. Give them the opportunity (and we are step by step thanks to the traitorous enemies within our own government - progressives/liberals) and they'll crush us.

Bubba FAL

03-21-11, 00:26

China was our ally in the first Red Dawn.

VB's idea is much better however. Of course this movie is brought to us by those liberals (hollywood).

I think I'll wait for it to hit the internet in high definition.

So, in other words, it's important to point out that this movie is more flash than substance.

Great, just what we need to placate the mindless drones willing to shell out $10-15 for a movie ticket.

No thanks, Hollywierd...

Iraqgunz

03-21-11, 07:10

Anyone who has read any of the writings of Sun Tzu or Mao knows that they are just waiting. Unfortunately our politicians are too stupid to realize it.

Amen. China is not an ally or friend in any way, shape or form. They are an enemy who sneers at us behind our backs. Give them the opportunity (and we are step by step thanks to the traitorous enemies within our own government - progressives/liberals) and they'll crush us.

Rmplstlskn

03-21-11, 09:28

Amen. China is not an ally or friend in any way, shape or form. They are an enemy who sneers at us behind our backs. Give them the opportunity (and we are step by step thanks to the traitorous enemies within our own government - progressives/liberals) and they'll crush us.

Holy sigline bloat... :big_boss:

Rmplstlskn

03-21-11, 09:30

The way this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if the gun porn gets edited out as well.:rolleyes:

What makes you think there is any MEANINGFUL gun p0rn?

I can see the woes already about money wasted seeing this movie... I'll wait for netflix...

Rmpl

The_War_Wagon

03-21-11, 10:10

Nice job Hollywood, way to **** up another one.

I'm pretty sure this project had "SUCK-O-RAMA" written all over it from the beginning. You might as well CGI the Team America: World Police marianettes into now. :rolleyes:

BrianS

03-21-11, 14:30

Russia could invade the USA back in 1985.

Big difference.

That's up for debate. In 1985 we still had a significant technological edge over the Russians that would make it highly unlikely for them to be able to challenge our air superiority over North America. On top of that our Navy was better than theirs as well.

Plus the way they were said to invade the United States across the Bering strait from Siberia into Alaska with "3 Army Groups" never sounded logistically plausible. Even assuming they had air and naval parity enough to maintain their LOC to such a massive force, having them attack through an area that doesn't have sufficient road and rail networks to allow them to move sufficient supplies never passed the smell test. It was a good movie, but you do have to suspend your disbelief when not watching it as a kid or teenager who doesn't know any better.

But I agree with people saying the idea of replacing China with the NKs is a dumb move and Red Dawn probably can't be improved on.

I think the change to NKs has to do with the recent release of a Milius game for Xbox called "Homefront" which has the US occupied by the NKs. Maybe they can change the name of the movie to Homefront as well.

In other movie news I recently saw that Blood Meridian isn't expected to be released till 2015. That is disappointing.

SoDak

03-21-11, 16:33

You might as well CGI the Team America: World Police marianettes into now. :rolleyes:
I was kind of hoping that the movie could be reworked into some sort of Hot Shots movie now that Charlie Sheen isn't up to much. I'd think taking on an invasion by North Koreans would be right up Topper Harley's alley.

Cincinnatus

03-21-11, 17:10

I agree quite absurd indeed. I have been waiting to hear about this movie and now I wait no more. WTF we have to pander to the chinese now too good god.

And the supreme irony is that the Chinese have all sorts of anti-American action movies where the enemy is the Americans. (These flicks usually are not available here--wonder why?) :cool:

BrianS

03-21-11, 17:37

(These flicks usually are not available here--wonder why?) :cool:

Probably because they are god awful movies. Our government certainly isn't preventing Chinese films from being seen in the US if the market demands it.

Cincinnatus

03-21-11, 17:46

Probably because they are god awful movies. Our government certainly isn't preventing Chinese films from being seen in the US if the market demands it.

Actually, Chinese films, especially action films, are anything but god-awful. Their action is often more intense, stunt-filled, etc than American. Some films that are anti-American that ARE available are, for example, the Once Upon a Time in China trilogy of Jet Li's. And it is not our governemnt that squelches the export of some of the most overtly antiAmerican films, it is the Chinese government. They don't want the American public to start getting a sense of how China really views the US.

As for RED DAWN--that movie was one of the anthems of my youth, and I have always hoped for a remake. But the rule of the remake is better damn well be better than the original, otherwise, not only why bother, but it screws up the original by attracting a bunch of morons to the film who all blindly insist that the remake is the better simply because it is new and more sensationalized without any substantive reason whatsoever.

BrianS

03-21-11, 17:51

Actually, Chinese films, especially action films, are anything but god-awful.

Dude, many of them certainly are. We only see the best, because the market dictates what makes it to our screens.

They don't want the American public to start getting a sense of how China really views the US.

I don't see movies that were heavily anti-American doing that well if they did release them here. So there is more than one reason why we aren't seeing these movies. Whereas the only reason we are talking about this movie being changed is because the Chinese government wouldn't allow it to be seen if it wasn't.

AZ-Renegade

03-21-11, 23:48

I would really liked to have seen Red Dawn remade well.

It seems like to have any kind of story line done justice on screen, the originator would have to have a contract to keep Hollywood from screwing it up with their agenda.

Unfortunately, boycotting this film won't make much difference to Hollywood. There are enough LCD types that pay to watch whatever drivel they put on the big screen.

On another note, I wonder what the left would say if someone made a remake of a movie with a more right-wing message?

Like Soylent Green where the government is run by environmental extremists that feed the populace to each other in cracker format so as not to harm the plants and animals? [DON"T STEAL MY IDEA!!!] :D

Cincinnatus

05-18-11, 10:30

Chinese now have a video game where you shoot at US troops. It was developed with support from the PLA (the Chinese Communist Army, which they call the "People's Liberation Army" in much the way of Orwell's "Ministry of Peace" in his novel, 1984.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/gamers-target-u-s-troops-in-chinese-military-shooter/

Moose-Knuckle

05-18-11, 21:49

Google Chinese troops in Mexico. The largest port in Mexico is owned and operated by China. They also operate some of the largest ports on the left and right coasts. Trojan horse anyone?

ssracer

05-18-11, 22:20

Google Chinese troops in Mexico. The largest port in Mexico is owned and operated by China. They also operate some of the largest ports on the left and right coasts. Trojan horse anyone?

Our borders are so secure down there that there's nothing at all to worry about with that....:jester: