View Full Version : Member Survey: Which Red Dot Sight (& mount) do you use and why?
Continuing in our un-endorsed "member survey" series...
Red Dot Sight = RDS
I am somewhat reluctant to post this one as this is an often volatile subject, but I think it could be a valuable resource if people can keep it in their pants.
Posters should refrain from directly contradicting one another, but are encouraged to share their own, personal, directly observed, experiences with the various products. For example "I used an XYZ RDS for a year and the battery kept dying on me so I changed to a 123 and never had another issue" would be an acceptable post, quoting that guy and saying "battery life is a non-issue and you should drop your walter mitty fantasy" is an unacceptable post. Claims of speed, accuracy, or super-human feats after changing from one to another should be backed up with data. For example "I went to the XYZ optic and it shaved .75 seconds of my VTAC 1-5 drill and my groups went from 5" to 3" at 100 yards" instead of "I'm faster and more accurate with the XYZ". The former is informative, the latter is not worth the time it takes to type.
Please include what you use now, what you've used in the past, why you like what you use now, why you moved away from what you had, etc. Tell us what mount you have it on and what mounts you've tried, with the same "why" fleshed out.
If possible, link to the products being discussed. This helps new members figure out what you're talking about. Abbreviations are to be avoided unless preceded by the full terminology. For example the thread title here is "Red Dot Sight" not "RDS", but since RDS is then defined it is acceptable to use.
JeepDriver
03-22-11, 05:43
2 Aimpoint Comp M3's in LaRue Mounts.
Had ARMS mounts when I first bought the optics (about 4 years ago, before I knew better ), one of the ARMS mounts quickly loosened up, it would slide back and forth on the upper.
A quick call to LaRue solved that problem.
I bought the M3's due to trigger time on a friends rifle with an older M2. I had shot an Eotech as well, but not as much as the Aimpoint. Part of ky purchase was based on looks as well as function. I liked the look of the Aimpoints on the AR platform over the Eotech. Stupid reason, however I don't regret it at all, the Aimpoints have never failed me in any way, the batteries were only replaced once and that was preventative.
I bought my M3's prior to the T1's being out, I would like to get a T1, hut the M3's I have are the 2 MOA version, and I like the smaller dot. I may replace the one on my SBR with a T1 in the future, but I'm in no hurry.
I run an Aimpoint Comp C3 RDS on an American Defense ADM-68 (High) mount (for lower 1/3 co-witness).
For the price/performance that I was looking for on a carbine mostly intended for training/class work, the C3 seemed to be the best choice. It didn't go overboard on features that I'd likely never need as a civilian. Plus, the C3 has a 2moa dot which I prefer. After this past weekend spending a day at a carbine clinic in the pouring rain and mud with my C3, I am confident that it can withstand the rigors of use that I'm expecting to experience. I do not plan to go SCUBA diving with my optic...
I considered as other options the Aimpoint ML3 and T1/H1 as well, but as I mentioned, for price/performance, the C3 seemed to come out on top. At the time, the Aimpoint PRO was not yet announced, else that would have made my short list as well.
Plus... rob_s said to buy an Aimpoint C3... :sarcastic:
PS I should add... I have never shot behind an EOTech... but I had prior experience with tube-type RDS, hence I didn't want to bother with learning a new sight picture/system on my carbine.
I have a Comp M4 with standard QRP 2 mount, which I bought because I wanted the most solid optic and liked the AA battery. When I assembled my short barrel rifle (SBR) I wanted to keep it as light as possible without spending undo amounts of money, so I found an aimpoint H-1 for about $400 from botach and put in a Larue quick detach (QD) mount so I could transfer it to another carbine if I wanted. Looking back, I could have used a fixed daniel defense mount and transferred the comp M4. I might have had a justification for the mount, but I can't think of one right now.
I will have to get out and time some carbine drills to see if there is a discernible difference in performance between the two optics for me.
I use an aimpoint comp M4 on my bedside rifle. I use it primarily because of the 30mm tube, which makes it quicker for me to pick up the red dot. I use the QRP mount, as it came with the optic. It's not as sexy as a larue, but it is solid and I can check zero after removing the optic by co-witnessing.
I have an T-1, but have not used it enough to render a valid opinion.
I also use a Docter RDS on my ACOG. IIRC It's something like 7-9 MOA dot. It's pretty big. For classes, where most shooting takes place within 25 yards, the large dot does not create a problem. I was hitting man-sized steel at about 75 yards offhand. However at 100 yards and further out, the dot will obscure the target. When zeroing at 25 yards, the dot completely obscured the bullseye.
Battery life is supposed to be about a year.
Something I really do not like about the Docter RDS are (1) the lack of clicks when adjusting the RDS, (2) you have to remove the RDS to replace the battery--and may encounter zero-shift after replacing the RDS. There's also no cowitness in this mount (piggyback on my ACOG), so no way to confirm zero without shooting.
Rmplstlskn
03-22-11, 07:47
My carbine has the Aimpoint T1 with Larue mount...
It is just sweet! Small, light and fast acquisition... Insane battery life...
The 4MOA dot can be big at longer ranges... but that is not its designed use.
My wifes carbine has a budget setup until funds $$$ allow another Aimpoint.
Konus red/green RDS (Aimpoint Micro Chinese clone) on a UTG 1" riser mount. Cost total a big $120 sight & mount. Very nice round dot. Seems decent quality but dot emitter can be seen in lower bottom which somewhat blocks some BUIS sight picture. Good BUIS (FSB & ARMS) in case Konus RDS fails.
Aimpoint Comp-M3 in Larue low mount on my DSA SA-58 FAL 16" Carbine. The classic standard! Handles the .308 recoil with no issues so far... Love the 2MOA dot on the FAL, which is a better long distance bringer of destruction... Hugely bulky when compared to the Micro's, but still lightweight...
Rmpl
I now have an Aimpoint Comp M3, 4moa w/ QRP2 mount. I started with a knock off to see if I liked the RDS sight and found a great deal on the M3 from an Aimpoint dealer on ebay( yes, I verified that it was a legit dealer before I bought it). I wanted the best I could afford and luckily the deal came along when I had a little spare cash available. I realize that it is total overkill for my needs but it was a deal that I could not pass up.
My first was an Aimpoint T-1 in a Larue LT751 QD mount, worked great, but ended up selling it to help fund my ACOG TA33G-H in a Larue QD mount, because I wanted a slightly magnified optic. I had no complaints with the optic or mount, just wanted to try something different at the time.
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=475
http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/micro-t-1/?pid=340&damcat=113
I just finished my Daniel Defense (DD) mid length rifle and decided to go with an Aimpoint H-1 in a DD mount. I went the H-1 instead of the T-1 this time since I do not use NV (night vision) and it's just that many less clicks I have to cycle through to actually see the dot, and it's also sightly less expensive. I chose the DD mount because with the lower 1/3 co-witness, I really don't have a need for a QD mount and I was going for a combo that was simple and light weight.
https://danieldefense.com/mounts-1/aimpoint-micro-mount.html
http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/micro-h-1/
I tried one of the smaller EOTech XPS2's because I've always liked the circle/dot reticle they offer, but with my astigmatism, everything was a blur. With the Aimpoint set on level 7, the dot is pretty crisp through my eyes. The less busy Aimpoint dot works better for me and allows me to acquire targets easier.
The long battery life and the light weight is mostly what made me decide on the H-1 this time around.
Eotech EXPS3, the reticle just works for me, and I love the big window. I've been lucky enough to never have been plagued by the various issues people have mentioned with eotechs, and while I wish the battery life were similar to that of an aimpoint, at the end of the day the reticle and window work better for me.
DialTone301
03-22-11, 08:14
EXPS-3 because I prefer the reticule. The battery life doesn't really bother me since it is a range toy and I leave the Troy sights deployed.
I currently run 3 Aimpoint T1's in LT660 mounts. I run the T1 on carbines and also run the T1 on my AK's setup with the Ultimax rail system.
I run the T1 based on a couple features that it excels in IMHO. First being the overall size/weight of the optic and the battery life is outstanding. The size works well for me in that I don't have an issue with the tube effect that I don't care for on the larger sized Aimpoints. I also like the 3-4 moa dot as it is very fast inside 50yds but is also satisfactory out to 500 yds. When you learn to use the edges of the dot and your holds, it is surprising suited for far greater distances than most realize.
I also like the fact that Aimpoint has an exceptional 3X magnifier that I will occasionally run in a LT swivel mount when needed for longer range shooting.
I find them to be very durable and when mounted in the LT660 they hold zero exceptionally well. I also like the fact that I can use them on multiple weapon platforms (must use factory Aimpoint mount when using with an AK).
I have used the T1's for tens of thousands of rounds and am very pleased in every regard.
My first RDS was an EOTech 512. Common batteries, which you'll need a lot of. I still have it, but is lives on my SBR UMP as I don't use it often. Battery life is my major complaint, I've never had any other issues.
Aimpoints...
CompM2 (http://www.skdtac.com/Aimpoint_CompM2_Red_Dot_Sight_p/aim.308.htm), great sight, mounted solidly in a LaRue LT-150. Only complaint here is having to special order batteries as I can't find them in stock locally. These can be found at very good prices.
CompM4s (http://stores.laruetactical.com/Detail.bok?no=226), better Aimpoint, mounted solidly in a LaRue LT-659 mount. A bit on the big side, but no real complaints.
T1 Micro (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=11830), my favorite RDS, couple mounted in Larue Tactical (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/StoreFront.bok) mounts(LT-660 & LT-724), couple in their original mounts for non AR applications. All have the Knight's Armament T1 battery cap (http://www.knightarmco.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=87) for on-board battery storage & easier adjustment.
The T1 is smaller, lighter and gets the same job done as the rest. I can't find a down side to this optic.
Eotech XPS2 in AD QD riser.
I own a CompM2; but despite all claims of what the Eotech is not...I still prefer it as my RDS. Here is why:
I believe the horizontal placement of the battery resolved many issues that could incur from CIVILIAN use.
My light takes a cr123 also.
I can pick up the 65 ring faster on carbine drills inside 50 meters. I would'nt say that im more accurate with this style reticle, but I get faster times on "0-zone" hits.
I would like to get rid of the AD riser as its extra bulk for a EXPS with a lever.
I moved away from the CompM3, which was in a tall Larue mount due to my perceived feeling of it being too tall. Makes no sense I know, as with my riser I have a lower 1/3 with the eotech as well. The Aimpoint just "felt" really high. Perhaps the distance from the top of the adjustment dial to the top of the inside of the glass is greater than the roof of the Eotech to the top of its glass. Lame, I know. I think I may be someone who would prefer absolute co-witness but I have never tried it because, hell...why would I think for myself?
Having an astigmatism, I also see the Eotech reticle clearer than the Aimpoint; which is backwards from what others have said. I will try a 2 MOA Aimpoint soon and report back on that.
I have owned (optic - mount):
Eotech (don't recall model now, early one) - no mount
Battery life was abysmal, reticule appeared pixelated, mount struck me as weak. Currently lives on the 9mm SBR I never shoot.
Eotech XPS (http://www.eotech-inc.com/product.php?id=28&cat=2) - no mount
Mounted on a 14.5" BCM mid-length with PWS FS556 brake. So far I like the optic for what it is to me, which is a gaming rig, but I am uncomfortable with the battery life, the mounting system, and the auto-shutoff.
Aimpoint ML2 (http://www.aimpoint.com/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/compml2/) - Larue Tactical LT-129 (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=37) and LT-150 (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=37)
Tried the canitlever mount and found it unnecessary for me, but still like the ML2 optic and find it fully viable. Currently lives on my HD, suppressed, gun with no BUIS. Other, newer, options are available but I like that this one is still running 5+ years later with nothing but the occasional battery change. Optic stays on 24/7.
Aimpoint C3 (http://www.aimpoint.com/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/compc3) (2 MOA) - American Defense Manufacturing (ADM) AD-68C (http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/4/) and AD-68H (http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/3/)
Currently lives on... hell I'm not sure which gun it's on this week. Again tried the cantilever mount but found it useless for my purposes. Again, never gets turned off.
Aimpoint T-1 (http://www.aimpoint.com/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/micro-t-1/) - Daniel Defense Mount (https://danieldefense.com/mounts-1/optics/aimpoint-micro-mount.html)
Currently lives on my #1 gun, a Colt 6933 w/ MOE furniture. If all the loaner guns left my safe tomorrow it's this gun, with this optic, that I'd shoot 99.9% of the time. Carbine nirvana for me.
Aimpoint H-1 (http://www.aimpoint.com/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/micro-h-1/) - Larue Tactical LT-660 (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=150)
I believe this is back on the AK now. I ran this mounted to an Ultimak rail on an AK in 2008. No battery change, never turned off, and the optic is still on as of yesterday. Never had an issue with the heat of the Ultimak at all.
Aimpoint R-1 - Larue Tactical LT-660 (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=150)
This is now my dedicated optic for loaner guns that come in. Right now it's on a Centurion Arms 10.5" upper but it briefly lived on, and was zeroed on, the Next Generation Arms X7 before I put the TA33 on that gun as it seemed more fitting. Expext same performance here as I've had with the T-1 and H-1 though.
(there may be more, those are off the top of my head)
Generally speaking, if there is no need to reduce profile or weight, or to add night-vision or dive with the thing, I believe the Aimpoint C3 in either ADM or Larue throwlever mount to be the best combination of function and value. I have no "field of view" issues because I keep both eyes open the way God intended. The only reason I like the throwlever mounts is that I don't know of a fixed mount that's as secure, but if I find one and pick a gun to lock the C3 down on I'll do away with the throwlevers. I do find the view angle to be more forgiving in unconventional positions with the 30mm tube vs. the Aimpoint micros but have found no advantage in this regard going to the Eotech. I prefer the 2 MOA dot as I can turn up the brightness to get a bigger perceived dot if needed and turn it down to get a finer point when looking for precision with my astigmatism bloom.
Aimpoint Micros on my rifles. They're small and lightweight yet extremely tough with long battery life. I used to have an Eotech and thought I preferred that reticle to the single dot, however I noticed an instant improvement to my raw scores at local fun gun events because my speed and accuracy improved with the Aimpoint.
Current: Aimpoint R1 w/ DD micro mount
Past: Weaver 1-3x24mm w/ ADM mount
P.A. el cheapo red dot
I run the Aimpoint now due to the light weight, and faster target acquisition. I've only had two outings with the aimpoint and i am pleased with glass clarity and ease of use.
The weaver was great, and while light for a scope, just too heavy for my taste. The glass was very clear and it held zero without a problem. 1x was not true 1x...there was a bit of magnification.
Civilian here so my rifle does not see heavy use. Range as often as I can and training courses when I have the opportunity. When I did my initial build I cheaped out in many places including the optic and I was running an NCStar open RDS. It held zero, but was cheap.
Now on my second, more educated build I am running an EoTech 512 with no mount. I like the large window and the reticle gets plenty bright or dim. I picked it up for a good deal slightly used and haven't had any issues out of it so far. The only thing I don't like is the buttons being on the back on this model. There isn't a lot of space between the rear of the optic and my rear MBUIS, so getting to the buttons isn't as easy as it could be, especially with gloves on.
EoTech 512 on a LaRue QD mount.
I set out to but an Aimpoint Comp m2 originally. After trying out both AP and Eotech on blue rifles at the gunstore, I liked the FOV WAY better on the Eo and hated the tunnel vision of the AP. I ended up with a 552, no mount.
bnanaphone
03-22-11, 10:16
For the past year I have been using a 2 MOA, ML3 (http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/compml3/?pid=340&damcat=113) in a Bobro #180 cantilever mount (http://www.bobroengineering.com/view/product/5/). At first I was set on using an eotech, but after reading many user reports regarding battery life, I ended up with the aimpoint. The battery is going strong, I leave it on 4, and the rifle has had a few falls to the ground without any effect on zero. I chose the bobro mount based on Rob Jensen's endorsement of using them in competition with excellent return to zero and auto-adjusting for various rail systems without the need for a tool. When I want some magnification, I put a Po Boy magnifier (hensoldt 2.5x tank monocular with Larue QD side-swivel mount) in line to help me out. I don't compete so I cannot comment on split times, but the aimpoint has never failed in my trips out.
Last week, I received my R-1 and will be getting a DD mount tomorrow to try out. Looking forward to trying the micro aimpoint out and saving about 7 oz from the top of my rifle. I am quite happy with the ML3 but look forward to a lighter setup for my first class this summer.
Presently I am using a Aimpoint T-1 with a DD high mount. I switched to this sight from a Eotech 553 because of the huge weight difference. I like both sights and had no problems with the Eotech. My only complaint with it was the weight. The Aimpoint is sitting on my BCM 14.5 middy. This is my only weapon right now so it's my do everything weapon.
I run an Eotech 552 on my work rifle because I have to.
I run a T-1 in a LaRue mount on a personal training gun and have an R-1 waiting for the completion of another build.
I have a Fastfire II that came with a scope I bought last year sitting on an SGL-21 until it melts, then I plan on replacing it with another R-1 atop an RS Regulate mount.
I like the little Aimpoints, can't beat the size, weight, and performance.
thopkins22
03-22-11, 10:49
I have an Eotech 512 in a Larue mount. I like the large field of view, and the reticule(I find that the lower hash mark is ideal for accounting for offset.) I never had any problems with the Eotech until the day that it went down due to the battery contacts falling out of the battery compartment.
I also have an Aimpoint M4 in a Larue mount. I like that I can leave it on 24/7. I have not owned it as long as the Eotech, but so far it has been reliable and durable.
In the near future any red dot purchases will be of the T1/H1/R1 variety due to weight and cost while maintaining most of the M4's durability and battery life.
I'm a new AR owner, and as such, haven't had the time or opportunity to try multiple optics.
The only RDS I own is an EOTech 512, with a LaRue QD mount. I do like the EOTech reticle, as I find that the reticle quickly grabs my attention. I originally had the 512 mounted directly to my carbine, and I found that the absolute co-witness it provided was distracting. The LaRue mount provided lower 1/3 co-witness, and I found that to be just the ticket.
I'm building a mid-length carbine, and I'll probably try out a Aimpoint H-1 or M2/ML2, given the number of people here that successfully use them daily.
I started with H1's on my carbines. The light weight was a big draw.
However, I was having issues with the dot being a bit blurry. Having others shoot my carbines confirmed it was me and not the RDS.
I tried a 2MOA M4S and didn't have the issue. I found I also liked the larger tube.
I now run an M4S on my mid-length and I picked up a PRO for my FAL. Really like the 2MOA on the FAL for those longer shots.
QRP2 mounts on both. While not sexy, I find them functional and easy to use.
I still have a H1 on a DD mount on my 14.5 carbine. It's a light weight set up and the gun my wife uses when we both shoot.
If I could have done it over, I would probably have PRO's on all three due to costs and performance. I can't justify the cost of the M4S x3 units. :)
t-1 in a Larue high mount. I have an m2 2x that never gets used. neve liked the 2x magnification. Wish i would have bought the standarn m2.
My first experience with Aimpoint was in roughly 2004 when I had an M2 in an ARMS absolute co-witness mount with a #40 folding rear and Fixed FSB (Front Sight Base). I didn't think very much of the red dot @ the time as having a red dot sitting on top of my much larger and more visible front sight. I never experienced any issues with the ARMS mount, but issues have been well documented.
I went the irons-only route for quite a while and even went so far as to use an A2 upper - stupid.
I recently shot a Vickers class with KAC irons only (deciding which optic to buy), and based upon my targets and times vs other shooters would say that I did better than most that were running optics. The guys that were better/faster were running either Aimpoints or Eotechs. I don't care for Eotech's reticle (too busy and covers too much of the target making it difficult for me to find a point of aim), and I saw one fail in the class (a new battery did not help as far as I know). That left me with Aimpoint. I tried a buddy's rifle with a T1 and determined that was the route I would try.
I was still unwilling to give up magnification, however. In the same week I was contemplating my optic choices (T1 vs ACOG TA-11) I posted a 1911 that I never shot for sale and received an Aimpoint 3X magnifier in a Larue flip mount in trade. I hadn't really ever considered this option as I was stuck on having Bullet Drop Compensation (BDC) ability. After running the Vicker's class and determining how easy hold-overs/unders really were, I relinquished my grip on the need for a BDC. This trade locked me into the Aimpoint option. Furthermore, I spent a fair amount of time with a borrowed TA-11 on my rifle and found it extremely difficult to acquire the target @ Close (25yd and closer) ranges. Finally, the TA-11 reticle is washed-out by my light, and the reticle is black in low light.
I've not shot the rifle outside since adding the optics, but at the 25yd indoor range, I notice that my group is smaller (2.5" vs 4") and I am able to aquire the target faster with the T1 (unmagnified) than with irons. I chose the T1 over the H1 for the NV capability ($50 more for the opportunity is worthwhile to me) and the rumor of better lens coatings. I chose the Daniel Defense Fixed mount as I do not forsee the need to quickly remove this optic as I can co-witness my irons through it, and I feel that it is more solid. It is also the lightest mount that I am aware of.
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab104/ASH556/T1-MAGCLOSELT1.jpg
Aimpoint M4s on LT tall mount on "truck" rifle (SCAR), best mount, imo, for SCAR due to charging handle issues.
Aimpoint M4s on dedicated home rifle, OEM QRP2 mount, works very well with Centurion diopter iron sights.
Eotech XPS 3-0 on ADM riser, my only Eotech so it is "T&E" sample, has held very well, prefer reticle over single dot for mechanical offset reason, auto-shutoff makes Eotech unacceptable to me as dedicated HD optic.
Aimpoint T1 on OEM mount on Ultimak AK.
Aimpoint T1 on KAC mount, sitting on DD offset mount as a side optic next to 2.5-10 NF; experimenting with offset RDS, that's all.
P.S. Forgot the "why" part: I strongly prefer "full-screen" optics for their forgiveness, and my T1s are used only in niche applications where full-sized units are no-go.
Aimpoint M4s on LT tall mount on "truck" rifle (SCAR), best mount, imo, for SCAR due to charging handle issues.
Aimpoint M4s on dedicated home rifle, OEM QRP2 mount, works very well with Centurion diopter iron sights.
Eotech XPS 3-0 on ADM riser, my only Eotech so it is "T&E" sample, has held very well, prefer reticle over single dot for mechanical offset reason, auto-shutoff makes Eotech unacceptable to me as dedicated HD optic.
Aimpoint T1 on OEM mount on Ultimak AK.
Aimpoint T1 on KAC mount, sitting on DD offset mount as a side optic next to 2.5-10 NF; experimenting with offset RDS, that's all.
Can you post a picture of this rifle?
Aimpoint T1 on a DD mount due to the recomendation from folks on this site. I had a TA-33 but switched over due to most my shooting being with 100m and the the extreme light weight of the optic. It is run on my BCM 14.5" middy.
Started with Aimpoint M4S when I saw Pat Rogers take one, throw it against a tree, and then tell me to try it out. Incidentally a class the OP suggested I take.;) Bought one the next week. Have considered others, but I like the 2MOA dot and NV settings. Both the 6933 and 6920 have M4S's in LT-659's since I like lower 1/3 cowitness. The 2MOA dot doesn't obscure the target at distance like other sights I have tried out.
My first M4S has been through classes, dropped, and left on for I don't know how long. Still a nice, concise, defined dot.
I like Aimpoints and LaRue mounts. I have a few Comp M3s, a T1, and an older Comp M2. Very pleased with these, though I do now prefer the T1 for its lighter weight and smaller footprint.
For me the Aimpoint is very fast and I prefer the long battery life.
As for LaRue mounts, it is what was recommended to me when I was still just a neophyte in this area and I've since come to love them. They just work as advertised and are reasonably priced too.
I've tried other RDS and other mounts on friends' rifles and always come away liking my Aimpoints and LaRue mounts better.
Put an EO 552 on my first 16" FF railed carbine; nice reticle but battery life was terrible. Put a comp M2 (QRPII mount w/built-in KF & flip-covers) on my next Mforgery; great setup (folding Troy BUIS on this rifle). My latest middy build has a T-1 on an ADM QD mount (absolute CW) with an MBUS II behind it. BTW, I tried a $49 chinese copy of the micro B4 getting a real one; never worked right. The AP's are not cheap but they are worth the coin.:cool:
Currently run an Aimpoint H-1 in DD mount. Previously had a C3 2 moa in a LT mount. The 1.x moa difference is negligible, but the micro feels less like looking through a tube, thanks to the shorter length. Did try an Eotech EXPS for a while, but found I was quicker and more consistent with the H-1. Might be the simplicity of the Aimpoint dot versus the EO reticle.
I run an Aimpoint Comp C3 RDS on an American Defense ADM-68 (High) mount (for lower 1/3 co-witness).
Plus... rob_s said to buy an Aimpoint C3... :sarcastic:
What he said. I'm too new to have an informed opinion of it yet but the info here was a key factor in my choice.
My only RDS at the moment is an Aimpoint ML2 in an older Larue mount (lower 1/3).
I bought both items lightly used in 2005 from the EE and have about $350 combined invested IIRC. It works well and I've seen no reason to replace it yet. I like the 30mm tube over the T1 micro I have shot, especially with fixed BUIS (or raised folders).
Can you post a picture of this rifle?
Steve, this is the best I can do right now. If you have any specific questions, just ask.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/Heartachedoc/IMG_20110322_183507.jpg
My first RDS was an EoTech 552 worked well but started having battery and other issues. I got lucky at a competition and won a T-1 with a Larue mount and have been with that for awhile now. I like the compact/lightweight nature of it. At first I thought the 20mm tube would be difficult to use in unconventional positions but after running it in a few classes and normal dept training, no problems. The dot on the T-1 hasn't been an issue for me so far. I have been thinking of getting a M4s but not sure if I'd like the size/weight difference.
Steve, this is the best I can do right now. If you have any specific questions, just ask.
Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for.
I started out with a M3 (2MOA) in a LT150 mount. That was a great combo. I then worked a trade to pick up a M2 (4MOA). I put that in a LT150 as well. I thought that I wouldnt notice the difference between these two but at every range session I would dislike the M2 more and more. The dot seemed blurry and not as bright, may have been because it was a bit older. I switched them in to LT 129 mounts, really for no other reason than I wanted to. I run cut carry handles and FSB so there is no way that I can get a magnifier behind either Larue mount. Since I found that I really liked the 2 MOA dot of my M3 I decided to get another one and sell the M2. Then I found the PRO. I do require NVG use so the PRO with its 2 MOA dot and middle of the road battery life I was sold. I have a couple now and have found that I actually prefer the QRP2 mount over the Larue mounts. Not that I think one is better the other but did have some slight marring of my upper from the Laruemounts.
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A friend of mine called me a few years ago, when I was in the middle of my “AR learning curve”, to ask me what I thought was the best RDS. I told him from the comments I’ve read from Pat Rogers’ and others that the T-1 is supposed to be hard to beat. I asked if he planned to get one and he told me his wife had bought him a Trijicon RMR but if I thought the T-1 was better, he’d send it back. Real quick, I said, “Whoaaa Man! Don’t send your wife’s gift back because of something I read about.” But too late, he made up his mind and sent it back.
A few weeks later, he came down and I got to shoot his T-1. I was shooting 100-yards at a 4” red diamond shaped target that had alternating ½” bands of red, ½” bands of white. When I looked through the RDS at the “pink” target, with my astigmatism the red dot looked like a comma plus the 4” moa red dot completely covered over the pink target. So, I would aim to the left to see about where the pink target was located, then aim with the top left portion of the red dot "comma" at where I thought the target would be and pull the trigger. I shot 30-shots doing this and when we walked down there I had a 7” 30-shot group.
Those 30-shots did it for me, I was sold.
I purchased an ADM Socom 1/3 co-witness mount and could not be happier with the T-1 and the repeatability of the ADM.
But maybe it’s just me…
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My first red dot was an Aimpoint Comp M2 in an Arms mount. An excellent optic, the only weak point being the mount. Put thousands of rounds through it with no issues, but sold it when I got another optic.
Second red dot was an Eotech 552 on a GGG throw-lever mount. The only reason I got this optic was it was mounted on a Troy upper I bought years ago from a retiring officer, and he threw in the optic on the deal. Worked well, I didn't really have any issues with battery life, blackouts or anything else that some have complained about. I found the reticle easier and faster to use, especially at CQB distances than the Aimpoint. I used this for several classes, and casual shooting over several years, with no issues. Replaced the batteries twice. Ended up selling it.
Third red dot is an Eotech XPS, with no mount. I'm current T&E-ing this for our department's armorer office on my patrol rifle. It has performed perfectly through several training courses, including a Vickers carbine class, and an FBI course, and I've used it on patrol for about a year. I've also taught several periods of rifle in-service and several iterations of 1 week patrol rifle operator classes with no problems. Two particular advantages to our department are logistical in nature, but still important when you think about buying items in bulk.
-The C123 battery used by the Eotech XPS is also used by department for our streamlight weapon-mounted lights and a large number of officers also use the battery for their surefire flashlights.
-The optic can be mounted in a co-witness configuration without having to buy additional mounting systems. We have no need for quick-detach capabilities.
The automatic 8-hour shutoff is not an issue for patrol use as operators will turn the optic on when they deploy the rifle, and are unlikely to be at any incident more than 8 hours, and if they were, its more than likely they would have adjusted the brightness on the optic, resetting the 8 hour shutoff. Its also a bonus when the operator forgets to shut off the optic.
The battery life is an issue for me, I've just replaced the battery for the first time in over a year, and I definitely see the advantage of the long battery life of the Aimpoint series. I've just asked the armorer if we can test the Aimpoint PRO.
I also own an Aimpoint T-1, which was directly mounted on a MSAR AUG, but I sold the AUG and kept the optic. It worked superbly, and I was impressed with its light weight. Its currently not mounted on any rifle, but I plan to buy a Larue mount to put it on one of my AR's.
benellimax4
03-23-11, 08:27
First RDS was an Eotech 512. Hated it.
I started with ML2s. Then, I upgraded to M3s and T1s. I did not like the T1s and sold them for M4s.
Now, I have 2 M3's and 2 M4s. Couldn't be happier.
Aimpoint Comp M4S w/ standard QRP2 mount.
I chose it for its durability, battery life and its use of a readily available battery.
-J
Mr. Goodtimes
03-23-11, 09:22
I run a T1 in ADM SOCOM Mount. I like the T1 because it weighs almost nothing, is extremely fast on target, has ridiculous battery life and incredible durability. I also prefer the Aimpoint dot over the Eotech reticle.
I had previously ran an Eotech 512 in ADM riser mount and while it always functioned well for me and never gave a single problem, It was heavy and ate batteries like nobodies business. I also didn't trust it. After reading all the negative press about Eotech I felt like it was only a matter of time before mine shit the bed.
I think there is a reason why most of the rifles seen have T1's sitting on top of them.
buckshot1220
03-23-11, 10:13
1.) Aimpoint M4 in factory QRP2 mount- This was my first RDS. Chosen for battery life, reliability and 2MOA dot. Owned since Dec. '07 I change the battery once a year around Christmas (although highly unnecessary). No problems holding zero and no tunnel vision as I shoot two eyes open.
2.) Aimpoint T1 in GG&G mount- Originally bought this for an Ultimak/AK setup but was intrigued as to how it would perform on a light 14.5" upper. Needless to say, it never made it onto the AK. I chose the GG&G mount because I am obsessed with having flip-up lens covers and this mount accepts Butler Creek caps. The mount locks in strong, although not as easily removed as Larue, ADM etc. it requires some force. Mount also weighs a tad more than competitors...but like I said I wanted the caps. As for the T1 I love it. The weight, or lack thereof, is phenomenal. Battery life near that of the M3 (50k hours) and it has been uber reliable. FOV/tunnel vision doesn't effect me as I shoot two eyes open. I will be selling the Aimpoint M4 shortly to finance another T1 to finally put on the AK.
Aside from battery life, reliability, weight and the usual Aimpoint vs. EOTech jargon, I chose the Aimpoint because with my eyes the EOTech reticle is unclear until I blink a few times. Taking that into consideration if I ever needed the optic in a defensive situation that would be an absolute drawback I wasn't willing to risk. That being said, if I could repeatedly and clearly see the EOTech reticle I probably would give the XPS series a shot as I do believe that the dot in a donut reticle is far superior to the Aimpoint's dot.
Bushnell Holosight: My first RDS way back when, did not have it long enough to comment on its mounting system, battery life or durability. I did not like the reticle, hence I do not like the Eotech reticle regardless of reports on other problems.
Aimpoint ML2: I have owned two of these, both 4 moa, the first I sold to a buddy along with the BM it was mounted own. I still have the second, both were mounted in ARMS mounts however I have since replace the ARMS mount on my current ML2 with a Larue cantelever mount. My current ML2 has seen service on a BM, a LMT, a Colt 6920 and now resides on a M&P15-22. Have owned this second ML2 for about five years and have yet to replace the battery, it stays off when not in use.
Aimpoint M4s: 2 moa. My current primary RDS, mounted in a Larue tall mount. I upgraded to this model for the increases in durability, battery life, easier to find AA batteries and accuracy. No sciencetific data here however I went from hitting torso sized targets at 200 yd with the 4 moa ML2 to hitting six inch targets with the M4s's 2 moa dot, all with 55gr fmj ammo. This RDS stays on constantly.
AustinWolv
03-23-11, 18:27
Aimpoint MXD: Got an used unit from somewhere, don't even recall the mount. Worked well enough.
Aimpoint M2: Used it for quite a while, still like the sight but sold it once I got a T1 and M4s. Probably should have kept it. Had it in ARMS mount for while on the KAC RASII hump, since that was almost the only option back then. Really liked the way it pointed and the tube view.
EOTech 512 and 55x: Just didn't like the reticule. Never even put it through hard use, as the Aimpoint dots were just easier for me to pickup and use rather than the halo + dot. Same the housing. Tube is just more natural, i.e. less distracting, for me. Combine that with seeing multiple units go down at simple carbine matches with battery issues, my interest in them fell even further. Sold them.
Aimpoint T1: Mounted on a Larue. Nice setup. Used it for a bit, worked well enough, but it felt like I was searching at times for the dot. I've got the data at home, but when timed against the M4s, I was actually faster on first shot with the M4s, but a touch faster on target transitions with the T1. We're talking very minor time differences, nothing major to establish an advantage one way or the other for me. I wanted to like it as I think it is a great sight, but.......
Aimpoint M4s: Sold the T1 after settling on the M4s. I like the smaller, more crisp MOA dot. I found that the dot just appeared for me when mounting the rifle versus kinda having to find it with the T1. Like the 's' version better so the battery compartment isn't hanging off in space at the upper side around the tube. Mounted on a Larue mount. The weight difference on paper seems like a lot, but don't notice it when shooting. Also, I appreciate it using a regular AA battery instead of having the unique batteries that pretty much all other sights use.
I'd be more than happy with a M2 or M3 though, given the housing size is smaller than the M4 if all other variables were equal.
Beat Trash
03-23-11, 18:51
My only RDS is a Aimpoint T-1 on a LaRue LT600 mount. This is currently mounted on one of my 6920's.
I'm new to the RDS's. It took me a long time to convert, then my divorce started up, so it took a while to find the funds.
For me, the only decision was what kind of Aimpoint do I need.
I was all set to buy an H-1 with a DD mount then the PRO came to be. I stewed and posted about the topic, but in the end, I was referred to someone at LF who sold me the T-1 & LaRue mount combo for less than I could find an H-1 & DD mount anywhere, even with a LEO discount.
Once the price difference was narrowed down a bit, it was the weight and size that sold me on the micro's.
I sighted in the T-1 and the Troy folding BUIS on a rather overcast day. The RDS really made a difference at 50 yds. I then set up a target at 200 yds to verify both the RDS and BUIS. I was apprehensive as I went to the spotting scope to see how the 4MOA dot did at 200 yds. I was shocked at the group. Pleasantly so...
I went back out two days later. This time it was bright sunshine. I just turned from 7 to 8 on the dial, and I had no issues with the dot washing out.
I have no trigger time with a 2MOA dot. I would like to shoot a 2MOA dot to see how it compares to a 4MOA dot under 25 yds.
I'm still tempted to get a PRO for my spare carbine, mainly for the price. But then I would want both guns to use the same sight. I'm big into redundancy.
The one thing I would do different would be to go with a fixed BUIS. I thought it would bother me seeing the sight in my field of view. Not so much, I actually decided to just leave my Troy folding sight in the up position. I could have saved a few bucks there.
Rattlehead
03-23-11, 19:14
I had been using the Comp M2's for quite some time, I would always turn them off when I was done with them, so battery life wasn't a large factor to me. I got a couple of M3's, that I left on all the time, other than that they were just M2's with longer battery life. All of these were mounted on AR's, only one was on a Springfield Armory Scout for a short time. During that time I also had two Comp M4's, I never really cared for them due to their size, it's not that I disliked them, just they were bulky for what I was using them on.
I have since moved to T1's. IMO the T1's are the best dot sight out there, they may not be as robust as the Comp M4's, or other Comp series, but they're damn nice. The T1's I have are all sitting on LT660's. The T1's have held up great on my rifles and haven't had any problems what so ever, just a missing cap.
I keep my T1's on 10 all of the time.
Grumpy MSG
03-23-11, 19:57
I have an old bushnell Holosight (cheaper cousin to the Eotech) uses type N batteries, love the way it shoots hate the battery life, but it is on a 20 gauge used on clay pigeons, so one set of batteries for a fun gun a year isn't so bad.
I carried an M68 CCO (Comp M2) in Iraq for a tour, put a battery in it right before we left for theatre and it was still in it when we got home, left it on a lot of the time. I had zero complaints about that sight. I also had one mounted on the rail of a M240B of the 5 ton I rode in outside the wire some, with the helmet and headset on, the sights on a 240 are pretty worthless. I would have preferred to have a Eotech 552XR308 on the machine gun, but who would have suspected a MSG would get a little turret time?
I currently have an M4S on a carbine at the house and love it, don't care if it is a little bulky and an ACOG on a rifle (not really a RDS, but able to be used in a pinch).
If I had my preferences or recommendations, I would use the simple rule of an Aimpoint on a rifle or carbine and an Eotech on a machine gun.
rattlesnake
03-23-11, 21:45
I just got the aimpoint pro, and have been shooting an eotech xps-2-0 for almost 2 years. I still prefer the eotech. Batterys have not been an issue for me. I am new to the aimpoint, and have not turned it off since I got it. I have fired 260 rounds through the aimoint pro. Its a great sight as well, but I am used to the eotech. I carry a surefire g2l and 123 batterys so the eotech xps works just great. My vote is eotech.
Got a Aimpoint PRO On the way my first RDS since Using the Comp4(M68CQO) In the Army .
Battery Life Is a plus Not as long as a COMP4 ,But 3-4 years Always On is good enough for me .going to be Put On My Colt M4 ,I will let you know More when i get it should be soon:D
I have an Eotech XPS 2 on a Larue mount for lower 1/3 cowitness. This is the first RDS for me and really improved my speed over shooting irons. I have an Aimpoint PRO ordered for a second rifle and am looking forward to comparing the two.
When I set out on my first build I wanted a rugged, reasonably light weight, rifle capable of accurate man size hits up to 300yds. Most of all I wanted the rifle to be uncomplicated and streamlined.
I have an astigmatism like many of the others on the board, so I had specific concerns about investing in a high end optic. I stumbled across a cheap red dot, sub $40.00, and purchased it. This was to be my proof of concept optic. I put the optic on a 22 cal pistol, and sighted in. It held zero well, and I found if to be completely functional in all roles it was used in.
A had decided that the aim point H-1-T1 range of optics was the perfect option for my rifle. I ran across the R-1 on sale at Midway and that pushed me over the edge. After sighting in at 50-225 I spent several weeks testing different ammunition, at various ranges. In my note book I added trajectories for all of the ammunition I had run.
This was the first AR I had ever owned or shot. Withing three weeks of owning it I was comfortable taking shots at 300yd with 99.5% hit ratio.
Attached is my target from my second range session. All shots were taken at 300yds. I started by firing at CM(with appropriate holdover) and walked my shots to the left and right and bottom to shoulder. I finally attempted half a dozen head shots. The target is 18" to the shoulder and 15" wide with a 5"x5" head. I find the ability to accurately determine holdovers/offs with the aimpoint were the key to my long range success. This suits my needs well.
Cylinder Head
03-24-11, 08:54
I have a CompM3 on a LaRue M68 Cantilever mount and it's a terrific RDS/Mount combo. I can present the rifle over and over and every time with no effort as soon as my cheek hits the stock the dot is right there, both eyes open as the lord intended. No issues with my zero, no issues with batteries, no issues whatsoever.
I also have a 3xmag in a Samson FTS mount. Not in love with it but it gets the job done and is plenty clear. Tends to stay in a pouch on my chest rig rather than on the rifle. I hate extra weight on my SR-15.
I have and use several different RDS for different applications.
I have a T-1 in a DD fixed mount on my primary defensive and training carbine - a DD M4 with DD 1.5 fixed rear sight and fixed FSB. I prefer Aimpoints for their battery life which allows me to leave this optic on as I don't want to have to turn on or adjust it should I hear that ominous bump-in-the-night.
I have an Eotech in a GG&G QD mount on a BCM middy that I use primarily for competition and general farting around. Zeroed at 50 yds it's very fast and accurate using the outer circle on IDPA type targets. not withstanding discussions of reliability, battery life is a concern. it shuts itself off after 8 hours and I simply don't like the idea of having to turn this optic on if needed in a hurry. I consider this strictly an "offensive" optic where I have time to prepare myself and weapon. brightness adjustment is also a bit cumbersome. Fix these problems and it could become my favorite but till then it's just for recreation...
I have a C3 Aimpoint - actually it's a 9000S but exactly the same, just about 1 inch longer on the back side - mounted in a cheap-as-shit but still-plenty-beefy-to-do-what-I-need-done CAA scope mount. all told, I've got less than $375 into the combo and it works a charm.
and yes, it's heavy but still it's 1/8 of an oz less than the Aimpoint PRO with its mount and if anything is much more robust this way than a C- or M-series Aimpoint in a single ring mount. the T-1 replaced it due to weight and CDI factor so this may be going on the auction block or it could find its way onto my "brush" deer rifle - a Remington 760 in .30-06. the jury is still having lunch...
and, I also have an Aimpoint PRO (Patrol Rifle Optic) which I got because it was a smokin' deal. and also because it has a 2MOA dot (instead of the other Aimpoints which are 4MOA) and I wanted the smaller dot to try a magnifier set up. it will go on a BCM LW middy which currently is carrying a 1-4x24 scope and this is my attempt at a proof-of-concept. I'm hopeful this will work out as the combo should end up being about the same weight as the scope plus I'll have a 3x monocular when detatched. I'll update on this when I receive the magnifier later this week.
and finally, I have a silver R-1 that was bought in the froth of the MidwayUSA closeout. it's waiting for an M&P22 or .22 upper, or if I ever succumb to the the AK bug (doubtful). either way, it's got a home on a lesser purpose rifle and can stand in as a back up if my T-1 ever goes Tango whatever...
"Smart" phone double-tap.
Aimpoint ML3s in Larue LT150s.
I prefer the controls and view through the full-size model Aimpoints. They're durable and the battery life is ridiculous.
I use the Larue straight mounts because they're the best I've used and I also use their magnifier flip mount.
Dos Cylindros
03-25-11, 11:51
I started with an Aimpoint T-1 in Larue mount on my BCM 16" middy. I am running a Daniel Defense A1.5 rear sight, and I found that with the smaller T-1 I did not really like the setup. I sold off my T-1 and am now running an Aimpoint Comp M4s in an ADM SOCOM mount. The larger 30mm tube is perfect (for me) with the fixed A1.5 rear sight. I love the battery life, the use of one AA battery and the durable reputation of the Comp M4/M4s line. I am very happy with this optic and wish I could pick up another to replace the Eotec 512 that is standard issue on my department Colt M4.
Code3Patriot
03-25-11, 14:03
I have alot of trigger time with my department issued EOTech 551/Larue LT110 - I like the setup and find it easy to engage multiple targets 50 yards and closer.
That being said, my personal rifles have CompM4 or M4s on the Larue LT659 mount. I love that the optic the insane always on run time with a single AA and that it is practically bomb proof. I'm also big on redundancy and having gear that takes common batteries, so for me the M4 is tough to beat (I wish it was a bit cheaper though).
My first RDS was a Trijicon Reflex, one of the 1st ones. At the time, the Aimpoints only had about 1,000 hours of battery life which turned me off to them. The Reflex wasn't bad in certain conditions, but it was easily washed out by bright light. I started off using a gooseneck mount on a A2 carry handle, then switched to a flat top mount. I eventually got rid of it.
The next sight I bought was an Aimpoint ML2 in a LaRue mount, which I liked a lot. It was a great sight. But I eventually sold it to get a T-1 in a LaRue mount.
I sometimes miss the larger sight tube of the ML2 but I love the small form factor of the T/H-1s. And the battery life is awesome. Still on my first battery.
Trijicon Tri-Power and LaRue M68 cantilever mount.
I went with the Tri-Power back in 2008 because I really like the reticle and the fact that it didn't "need" batteries. Since then I have found that it was a great concept but failed to live up to its billing. It has however performed for me in all the tasks I have asked of it at the range and in classes. I still love the chevron reticle, it is serviceable, and while not ideal - there are other things I would rather spend my money on. If only Aimpoint would make an M4 with the cheveron reticle :suicide2:
The mount has been perfect.
Primary is an Aimpoint CompM2 and LaRue LT129 mount. I like the battery life, proven reliability, and the simple, one dot style reticle (and 4MOA is fine for me), and being able to leave it on and forget about it.
Secondary, optional optic choice is a Bushnell 3200 3-9x standard style scope mounted in Warne rings on a LaRue riser...this combo is for if I judge I need magnification on the property or range use. Don't use it much at all, but it has come in handy a time or two.
I used to use an EoTech 512 on a LaRue mount. The reticle was OK, battery life not so much. Worried that it was going to fail so I sold it. I've got two sealed, in the package batteries for the Aimpoint so I should be good for 10 more years at least...hopefully I can upgrade to a Micro by then:o
I've never fooled with anything other than LaRue mounts. Never saw the need to waste my time with ARMS or cheap crap. I honestly don't remember what I paid for each my LaRue mounts (and the LT129 is used), so it proves the adage that long after the purchase price is forgotten, the quality remains.
For me, the Red Dot Sight choice and mount is a first and I have never had any other experience prior to. Here's the setup:
Aimpoint Comp ML3 (did not need the NV capability)
GG&G Accucam Quick Detach Aimpoint Cantilever Ring
These were readily available at RA LLC., and the GG&G mount was on sale when I bought it. It's never really seen "hard use/abuse" though it still maintains it functionality. From the loads of information I've read on the internet and through magazines regarding the Aimpoints, that's what I ended up with. I did not look too much into the mounting, though it appears that GG&G is fairly capable in this regard.
That was some 3 years ago. I can't complain, but look forward to trying out different setups in the near future.
I've got an Aimpoint PRO with the QRP2 mount. I like the 2 MOA dot and the fact that I can just leave it on and forget about it. I had been debating between an Aimpoint and an Eotech for a while, but I decided that while I like the Eotech's reticle while magnified I just found it to be too much when it wasn't. Plus the PRO came out and sealed the deal.
I used to use the EOtech qite a bit but found my eyes were making the reticle fuzzy, even with focusing on the target. Just picked up an Aimpoint PRO (with QRP2) and I dont have that issue. I do find that the EOtech maybe a tad faster, but once I get more trigger time with the PRO, that wont be an issue. I do find that it helps when you shoot both eyes open with the Aimpoint.
KrampusArms
03-28-11, 20:14
I use an EOTech XPS2-0. The "Opmod limited edition" With built in riser and QD lever. Gives me the 1/3 co-witness.
I sighted it in at 100 yards today. Really like the sight. With irons I am ok, but the EOTech really improved my accuracy. No problems hitting the target. I love the reticle and the FOV. Battery life is a non issue to me. The sight made it extremely easy to get hits. At 100 yards I was struggling with the irons, my eyes have a hard time with the huge fat post on the front sight. The EOTech is a game changer. Center dot is extremely small and precise, especially when you adjust the brightness as low as possible.
I am currently using the same EO Tech 552 that I got in ’03. I like the recital and AA batteries are all over the place. I have this one on my MK18 here in the Stan and another one at home that I got in ’06 on a 14.5 Upper.
I have had:
Aimpoint M68 with factory mount- it dies on me in Iraq in ‘03
Aimpoint M68 with LaRue Cantilever mount (could never find batteries down range)- Traded for my second 552
2- Aimpoint T1 on a LaRue Tall mount- 1 for me and 1 for my wife- Sold them both
I also have a Burris Fastfire in a LaRue LT-137 mount on my LT 104 SPR mount. Very light and easy to use on my Noveske SPR.
I have another Burris Fastfire on my TA33H with a Mini ACOG LT-635 mount. Very light and very fast.
outrider627
03-29-11, 17:58
Aimpoint R-1 w/ Larue LT660.
I bought the R1 during Midway's big sale in December. Honestly, my iron sight skills are no where near good enough to skip ahead and use a RDS, but $300 off was too of a deal to pass up on. I originally bought a DD micro mount, but after having to remove the optic a couple times, I decided to get a LT660. Buying the R1 while it was on sale was cheaper than my original plan of an Aimpoint C3 and LaRue mount.
I'm running an Aimpoint ML3 in a LaRue LT-150 mount. I got a good deal on it, and I wanted nothing but an Aimpoint after some issues I had witnessed with various EOTechs.
To whit: I saw one fellow with an EOTech mounted on a 5.45mm krink AK. He had just gotten it back from the second trip to the factory for repair, and was sighting it in @ 50 yards. First 5-round group was about 2" left. He made a few clicks' adjustment to the right, and fired another 5 rounds. They were in the same spot. He clicked it to the right a few more times. Five rounds, same spot, 2" left of POA. He clicked it a few more times, then put five rounds off the right edge of the target. The EOTech got stripped off the Krink, and replaced with an old ML2. Problem solved.
Now that the PRO is out, I see no reason to go with anything else unless you just have to have AA batteries or have the $$$ to shell out for an H1 Micro.
Eotech 512-Sitting in safe now
Eotech EXPS (Opmod Edition from Optics Planet)
1 mounted on a Novekse 12.5" 6.8
1 mounted on a Noveske 10.5" 300BLK
Aimpoint R1 on a LaRue LT660 on a Magpul MPLA/Noveske 16" Recce 5.56
Aimpoint H1 on a KAC mount on a KAC/MD Limited Edition 16" 556
Aimpoint H1 on Gear Sector Mount 45 degree offset as a secondary optic for close range on a LaRue 16" 308 OBR
I haven't run split times, but I do like the FOV on the Eotech even with both eyes open.
I switch back and forth so much, it really doesn't matter to me which I use and I shoot for recreation.
I can add that I don't have a RDS on my 3 Gun rifles. I shoot tac optics and the low power variable scopes I have(Meopta K Dot and Swaro Z6i 1-6X) work better for me at longer range/precision shots.
kaltesherz
03-29-11, 21:36
Aimpoint 2MOA M3 in LaRue LT-150 mount. I use it because I had good luck with M68s (M2 version) in the Army but wanted a longer battery life, so with the M3 I always leave it on. I went with LaRue for the 1/3 co-witness, excellent rep, and their excellent customer service when I was deployed. Couldn't be happier with either.
Used mostly ACOGs (TA31F) overseas but don't need the magnification as I'm never shooting past 200m these days. Eventually I'll get one for a long range upper and find a place to use it.
Had a few experiences with EOtechs and they were all uberFAIL. They were the notorious AA models that were pretty old, the newer models might be better but I'll stick with Aimpoint FTW.
Eotech XPS 2-0
I've don't have the need of a mag optic, but wanted an ACOG for gaming.
Owned and sold two Aimpoints, as I like the Eotech reticle better. I will take speed and what my eyes like better over easy battery replacement.
Eotech 552 and 553, both without mounts. After using aimpoints and eotechs, and seeing in every arms room that I've been in a box or crate of broken 68s had to go with the eotechs. Never had a problem with battery life, and probably won't unless there's some kind of shortage in the future.
Aimpoint PRO. I just couldn't argue with the battery life and proven reliability that aimpoint offers. A top notch optic and a solid mount for $400 is a pretty good deal IMHO.
FAL has an Aimpoint M2 in ARMS mounts/works well, but really prefer 2 MOA dot and will be replacing with a M3 with 2moa dot and LaRue mount (because M4S will not work on a FAL)
Noveske with Aimpoint M4S I LOVE IT! I like the 2moa dot. I like that it allows "me" to shoot better from unorthodox positions than the T1. Battery life can't be beat. It is bomber in its LaRue mount lower third cowitness.
I had a T1 on the Noveske originally and had a problem (for me) when aiming into any point light source (hall lights, sun setting, etc.) the projector diode ghost would appear and sometimes even wash out the dot (as seen in pics) I do think this could be largely cured with some sort of lens shade, but the T1 has no threads on front to attach one.
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr280/45Fundi/IMG_5310.jpg
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr280/45Fundi/IMG_5311.jpg
I plan on trying the T1 again someday, but only after buying what I know works on all my go to guns.
I use Aimpoints on my CQB guns because I am curse-eye dominant and they allow me to shoot both eyes open (the Eotechs for some reason do not allow this for me) and I trust Aimpoints reliability and like the battery life. I love the LaRue mounts!
LowSpeed_HighDrag
04-04-11, 10:59
I use an Aimpoint M4. I love the battery life on an AA, and the 2MOA dot is perfect for me. I sold my H1 because of the 4MOA dot, but as soon as Aimpoint releases a micro with a 2MOA dot, I'll snatch it up.
My M4 sits on my personal rifle in the stock QRPII mount, and IMO is simply the best optic on the market today. Built like a tank, holds a zero always, has an 8yr battery life on a single AA, and has a clearly visible 2 MOA dot that is ALWAYS on. I have no problem making 0-300yd shots on my Aimpoint M4. Love it.
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I have only owned two optics.
First, I bought an Eotech XPS2-0. It worked just fine, but I found that the sight was far too low for me to use effectively with a squared-up stance, solid check weld and proper stock placement (for me, just to the right of my sternum). I was also advised by two very experienced shooters to consider the battery-life issues associated with an Eotech.
I was able to get back what I paid for the XPS and purchase an Aimpoint H-1 with a LT-660 mount. This sight does everything I need. The zero has never shifted. The batteries have (obviously) never run out. It's lightweight, the field of view is unlimited and the glass is clear. In addition, the height of the LT-660 mount suits my needs perfectly.
I am working on an SBR build and will likely replicate this setup (with the possible substitution of a T-1).
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H-1 and DD mount, social gun.
PA Red Dots on Larue mounts. fun guns.
I am currently running an Eotech 512 that I had left over from my previous rifle. I like the reticle and the "window" view, but because of researching and hearing a lot more of this...
....I had previously ran an Eotech 512 in ADM riser mount and while it always functioned well for me and never gave a single problem, It was heavy and ate batteries like nobodies business. I also didn't trust it. After reading all the negative press about Eotech I felt like it was only a matter of time before mine shit the bed.
...I am currently on the 'get out while I can' train of thought, as I find myself trusting it less and less. And I know that with my crappy luck, it'll go boom at the worst possible time, with the most unfixable problem.
Currently, an M4S in ADM mount is looking very tasty. Durable, 2 moa dot, same easy to get batteries... oh yeah. Aimpoint, here I come.:D
crusader4x
04-05-11, 00:56
Aimpoint CompM4 on tall ADM mount. It was the first optic I got for my BCM Middy and have no need nor desire to change.
My first RDS was an early model Bushnell Eotech. I sold it to a friend of mine and it is still in use today. Battery time with N cell batteries was not good at all.
I replaced that RDS with an Eotech 553 which is still mounted on my patrol rifle that I carry at my part time PD job.
I purchased a Primary Arms RDS to put on my Reece Middy because I wanted a Micro T-1 but never actually saw one. It is still on that rifle and it holds zero very well and I have never had any problems with it after several thousand rounds.
I have a Burris XTR 1-4 on my 6.8SPC (off thread).
My issued patrol rifle at my full time job (BCM Mid 16) has an Eotech XPS on a YHM riser.
I purchased an Aimpoint Micro T-1 and an H-1 to replace my Eotech 553 on my patrol rifle and for my new SBR build. I put the T-1 on the SBR and I really do not like the GG&G mount that it came with. I will most likely put an ADM Socom mount on it. I was going to put the T-1 on my patrol rifle but before I switched over, I shot a really tight group with my 553 and decided to keep it on for now. The H-1 is still in the box and I have no idea what I am going to do with it! I have a light weight build going now and the H-1 will most likely end up on that but I would really like to replace the Primary Arms RDS on my middy because that one gets used the most.
I keep reading about people worrying about their EOTech shitting the bed on them. They might have had issues years back bit thats pretty much been taken care of. Ive used one for 26 months deployed and not had a single problem. On personal rifles for about 2 years with several thousand rounds and no problems. And for those who care what the coolest action guys are using, you wont see many aimpoints on their guns.
My favorite optic/mount combo is my Aimpoint Comp M2/LT-129. I purchased the M2 at Sportsman's Whse last year for $340 out the door---brand new. :D I had it mounted in a Vortex 30mm ring simply because it was lying in my parts box and I could get the sight zeroed in quickly. It ran very well on my 10.5" 7.62x39 upper.
I stumbled upon a LT-129 for sale and jumped on it. At the same time I was building a 12" 6.8 upper and decided this setup would be perfect for that gun. I finally got to function test it last week and it was absolutely awesome.
When I installed the M2 into the 129 I knew weather would have to break before I went to zero it. Here's the funny part---the brand new upper, a new mount, and a previously zeroed optic, needed no changes done at 25yds whatsoever. It's the same distance I zeroed it at previously but it was done on a different caliber, receiver, barrel length, and mount. I consider myself lucky. When the battery runs out, I won't have to remove the mount to change the battery or do anything that "might" affect zero even though Larue mounts are known for that reliability. Just unscrew the wind/ele caps, take the battery cap off, pulll the 1/3N out from the side of the 129, and install. GTG for another year. $4.76 for 400 days of optic use. Pretty good deal.
My 10.5" was going to have the Aimpoint PRO installed but I might be installing an R1/LT660 when I decide I want to use something other than the MBUS already installed.
My newest addition: SBR stamp came in Friday :D
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Just because I am A) Bored off of my ass and B) on the hunt for a new optic for my BCM Middy that arrives tomorrow (thanks Grant) I decided to unscientifically tally the numbers that are in this thread. These are not rock hard numbers because some posters were nebulous in the number of optics they owned. I took "a couple" to mean 2. "A few" became what ever number I could associate with firearms that they said they had. When there was no correlating data allowing me to devine the number I simply counted it as one optic.
So with out further ado:
Aimpoint C3..............2
Aimpoint CompC3......1
Aimpoint CompM2......7
Aimpoint CompML2....1
Aimpoint CompM3......9
Aimpoint CompML3.....4
Aimpoint CompM4......9
Aimpoint CompM4s....14
Aimpoint CompML2....2
Aimpoint H1..............10
Aimpoint PRO............10
Aimpoint R1..............8
Aimpoint T1..............30
Burris Fast Fire II......3
Burris XTR................1
EOTech 512..............9
EOTech 551..............1
EOTech 552..............6
EOTech 553..............2
EOTech EXPS3..........4
EOTech XPS..............3
EOTech XPS2............5
EOTech XPS3............1
Primary Arms............1
Trijicon ACOG............3
Trijicon Tri-Power......1
I'm not one much for not knowing about my own gear, but I can't say for sure what the exact model number on my Triji Reflex is since its so old and schwagtastic that its number has been worn off. I've still got the Jesus engravings. But I can't tell if it's an RX01/01NSN, 09 or something else. I find it difficult to clean, especially in snow. I'd prefer a Micro-series RDS, but I just don't have the money right now.
I recently purchased a third AR (I'm a relatively new owner, less than 6 months), and I equipped it with an Aimpoint H1 on a LaRue QD mount (the lower 1/3 co-witness version).
My other RDS is an EOTech 512. So far I like the Aimpoint. I thought that I liked the 512 reticle more, but I've changed my mind. The single red dot is simple, yet still grabs my attention. I like the Aimpoint doesn't turn off after 8 hours, and also has incredible battery life. I miss the larger field of view that the 512 provides, but I don't feel hindered by the H1.
I'll be taking a carbine course in a few months, so I'll be able to see which one I do the best with there.
Please include what you use now, what you've used in the past, why you like what you use now, why you moved away from what you had, etc. Tell us what mount you have it on and what mounts you've tried, with the same "why" fleshed out.
Aimpoint Pro.
It's my first RDS.
I like it because it's "ready to go", had a lot of fun at the range today setting up my 50yd zero.
My eye sight needed some assistance.
Sits on a BCM Mid-length upper and a Spikes lower.
http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/compc3-2/
Currently a Vortex R/G Strikfire, no issues with it. In some bright light conditions the dot could be brighter. I've always wanted an Aimpoint so I'm going to snatch an Aimpoint Pro just as soon as it's available with the stock mount to start.
Cincinnatus
04-13-11, 17:01
nevermind. Mods, please delete.
Currently 3 T-1's in Larue high mounts and 1 M4S in Larue mount. I moved up from Comp M2's and settled on the T-1's for the lack of weight and identical function as the older models. Contemplating switching to the DD or KAC mounts after having an issue with my Larue mounts needing to be re-tightened after X number of rounds, had forward/backward movement which affected shot placement.
I run an Aimpoint H1 on an American Defense AD-T1M mount.
I have an original Bushnell Holosight on a 10/22 and I like the reticle and the open window design, so when it was time to get a RDS for my carbine I looked hard at an Eotech XPS. However, I ended up with the Aimpoint because of the following reasons:
Durability & reliability.
Battery life.
Weight.
I think the dial control on the Aimpoint is easier to adjust quickly for changing conditions than the buttons on the Eotech.
I don't think anything on the above list is a surprise to anyone in this forum.
I strongly considered the Aimpoint C3 but went with the Micro for the light weight and small size. I got the H1 instead of the T1 because I don't think I'll ever need to use it with night vision.
Red dot wise, I run Aimpoint H-1 in ADM Absolute Co-witness mounts. Currently I an using the two piece versions, but if I have to get another I would likely try the one piece version.
As far as why, the H-1 is compact, light weight, and has a long battery life, which except for long battery life, is much better than my previous Aimpoints. As far as why ADM, well at the time they were the only mount really available with absolute co-witness which I prefer.
I also often use an Aimpoint magnifier which I have in the short lived absolute co-witness version of their flip to the side mount. I didn't use the twist mount because then I would have to get a base very every rifle/upper.
Tactical Joke
04-18-11, 22:16
Aimpoint T1 in a Larue tall QD mount.
The T1 replaced my XPS as my go to sight for a few reasons. It has a reputation for reliability, possesses a stupid-simple brightness adjustment mechanism, and when I mount it just in front of my rear BUIS, it almost disappears leaving just a floating red dot. For a lightweight, general-purpose RDS, it's really hard to beat. The fact that the battery life is fudiculous is a nice bonus. It sits on my "general purpose" rifle. I got the T1 instead of the H1 because I'm SCUBA diver and I figured I may need to invade some tropical paradise some day.*
I actually wanted a DD mount for it for the weight savings, but I didn't see Grant's deals on the combo until after I'd bought the Larue kit, and the combo prices were a no brainer. I wanted the DD for the minor weight savings and a solid rep--though the screws looked a little suspect. I picked up the Larue due to oft-typed phrase, "If Larue is an answer; then Laure is the answer."
Eotech XPS 2.0 in an Accucam mount.
My two major complaints about the EO are a spotty reputation, and it noticeably slower than say, a T1, when you need to adjust it for changing lighting conditions. To be fair, the XPS 3.0 may be less craptastic than the XPS 2.0 in that regards. As far as the usual commets about power; I'm not too concerned about battery life, but you need a solid supply chain if you're going to run it frequently. A final big, but subjective, disappointment is that I really thought I'd like the reticle of the EO more than I do. I really can't put my finger on what bugs me about it but it just doesn't feel right. I don't hate it... I'm just "meh" about it. Right now, the XPS is sitting on a Sig P556 that will be stamped in the near future. I picked the Accucam because GG&G seems to be the only folks making an XPS specific mount and I haven't seen anything overtly negative about them--though I didn't look too hard.
SigTac Holo Sight
It came with a Sig range toy that I bought. I wouldn't consider using it for any serious use. Make sure you have BUIS if you're gonna try it. Battery life is horrible, and makes an EOTech look EnergyStar. This site is a toy.
SigTac T1 Clone
Looks a lot like a T1, but I would't trust it for real world use. Another toy that came on a range toy. It's also quite power-hungry. I may buy a Larue HK mount to see how a T1|H1 would work with the 556. The only positive thing about this sight is that the battery compartment is on the left, so when I should lefty, it's not as noticeable as the T1's. Since I shoot righty 90% of the time... that not much of a benefit.
*I made that up. I bought the T1 because the price difference wasn't enough for me to give up NV should I decide to drop the coin on a set of NODs.
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