View Full Version : "recce" vs "afghan" definitions etc- need a spot of help
Sorry guys. My attempts at using SEARCH are all resulting in Safari effors msgs.
I seem to recall a thread (don't recall where it was but I ASSume it was in "AR General..." ) where the differences between these types of rifles where hashed out. Now I cannot find that thread. Any ideas? Failing that, any idea as to a solid reference outside of M4C? My google-fu is turning up pointless garbage. Gracias.
Try using the orange search button in the top right corner
CaptainDooley
03-25-11, 10:22
Far from an expert on the topic, but I believe this Wikipedia article to be fairly accurate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAL_Recon_Rifle
If I'm not mistaken, an afghan is just Noveske's name for a 14.5" version of the same rifle.
Sorry guys. My attempts at using SEARCH are all resulting in Safari effors msgs.
I seem to recall a thread (don't recall where it was but I ASSume it was in "AR General..." ) where the differences between these types of rifles where hashed out. Now I cannot find that thread. Any ideas? Failing that, any idea as to a solid reference outside of M4C? My google-fu is turning up pointless garbage. Gracias.
You should do some searches via google: recce afghan site:m4carbine.net (http://www.google.com/search?q=recce+afghan+site%3Am4carbine.net&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) or use the other search button at the top: https://www.m4carbine.net/nual/misc/nav_search.gif
Same concept but we made a 14.5" before we/many knew about the 16.5" Crane Recce.
You can find a ton of info around here on Recce style guns. "Afghan" is Noveske's model designation for their SS 14.5" midlength barrel, basically a shortened version of their "Recon" model, if you're into that kind of thing.
Oops, Todd beat me to it.
Try using the orange search button in the top right corner
Should have mentioned that I get the errors with either the orange button or the mid-page link. Weird. Any search term set seems to result in a kickback from Safari lately, but only on this site.
Should have mentioned that I get the errors with either the orange button or the mid-page link. Weird. Any search term set seems to result in a kickback from Safari lately, but only on this site.
I get the same error occasionally in Firefox. I use the Google advanced search method that Rudy99 mentioned when I get it...that always works.
Sorry guys. My attempts at using SEARCH are all resulting in Safari effors msgs.
I seem to recall a thread (don't recall where it was but I ASSume it was in "AR General..." ) where the differences between these types of rifles where hashed out. Now I cannot find that thread. Any ideas? Failing that, any idea as to a solid reference outside of M4C? My google-fu is turning up pointless garbage. Gracias.
Thread: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=66005
Examples
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx220/SkiDevil01/NoveskeAfghan001.jpg
Afghan rifle - 14.5" Rifle
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx220/SkiDevil01/NoveskePhotos0014.jpg
Recce type rifle - 16" Stainless Recon Barrel
Are the scopes backwards?
kaltesherz
03-25-11, 23:10
Are the scopes backwards?
No.
:sigh:
I'm going to go bang my head against the wall now...
Are the scopes backwards?
No, the same scope.
Fixed 2X power Leupold scope. Mounted in a ADM Recon mount.
No.
:sigh:
I'm going to go bang my head against the wall now...
I hope it hurts. Instead of being a dick, point me in a direction I can learn something. Is the rear bigger for more relief?
I hope it hurts. Instead of being a dick, point me in a direction I can learn something. Is the rear bigger for more relief?
The scope looks a little different because it is a one inch tube model with a 20mm objective/ aperture lense.
It is a light-weight fixed model and does have a great deal of eye relief. Over 4 inches of eye relief, more than any of their other models, except for the Scout model.
Links with specs./ more information:
http://swfa.com/Leupold-25x20-FX-II-Ultralight-Riflescope-P3263.aspx
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/ultralight-riflescopes/fx-ii-2-5x20mm-ultralight/
If you have anymore questions feel free to send me a PM.
SkiDevil
^ Thanks bro. Obviously traditional scope design has the bigger lens up front. I'm sure I'm not the first person confused by this. It still looks weird.
kaltesherz
03-26-11, 00:00
I hope it hurts. Instead of being a dick, point me in a direction I can learn something. Is the rear bigger for more relief?
Dick, no. Unhelpful, yes.
Glad someone else filled you in, sorry about my previous post, just had a little overload and had to vent.
You will see larger objective lenses on scopes with more magnification. It's to let in more light. Scopes don't gather light, they simply take the light that it catches, focuses it and passes it through.
About scope objective lenses
http://www.rifle-scope-guide.com/objective-lens-diameter/
About binocular objective lenses
http://www.eagleoptics.com/articles/technical-guide/objective-lenses
Otherwise, the picture you see will be dim. The larger rear lens is to allow for a larger exit pupil; that is a larger diameter for the picture to come through to your eye. The larger the exit pupil, the more light that will hit your eye. Too large and it's wasted. Too small and the picture is dim
Here's a link about the exit pupil of binoculars
http://www.eagleoptics.com/articles/technical-guide/exit-pupil
Here's a link about the advantages of a large exit pupil of a scope
http://www.shootingtimes.com/optics/opticpupil_061907/
Another section that plays a role in the brightness of a rifle scope is the erector set which contains the reticle and is adjusted by the windage and elevation knobs. A larger diameter erector will pass more light.
Don't believe the hype about 30mm tubes being brighter than 1 inch tubes. While the 30mm tube is larger, the erector set is often the same as those found in 1 inch tubes. The difference is that the extra space is used to gain a greater range of adjustment. If the erector set diameter were increased, more light will pass but adjustment will be less
thanks for the threads, guys. good info.
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