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More specifically an Arsenal Inc SLR-105.
Templar has tried to get me to buy one for years but I always resisted. My local shop has one for $450 and lately it's been calling my name.
I haven't been keeping up with 5.45 because I haven't had a need to so what's the scoop on ammo? How hard is it to get nowadays and how expensive? Is it better or worse than
7.62x39?
Oh and pictures are more than welcome ;)
If they're only asking $450 then it's got to be a post ban model without the AK-74 front sight and muzzle brake assembly, or a used rifle that they are under pricing.
Real Russian 7N6 military ammo with the steel core and air pocket in the nose is available finally. It is corrosive but THAT'S NO BIG DEAL, just clean your rifle when you get home and no issues.
K-Var has the ammo and front sight block and muzzle brake.......
http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16794
http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16336&cat=286&page=1
http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16352&cat=290&page=1
If it is a post ban, honestly I'd recommend getting a no-ban variant to save yourself some head aches in changing it out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Range%20Day%20Aug%2005%20full/Range%20Day%20half%20size/RangeDay08-07-05011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/DeGoffs%20Stuff/TammyII1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Range%20Day%209-13-05/Half%20Sized%20Range%20Day/RangePics9-13-05002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/ArsenalSLR-105APlum.jpg
It's a no ban model with bayo lug and brake but it doesn't have a rail.
It's a no ban model with bayo lug and brake but it doesn't have a rail.
Stop typing on the keyboard, get on your bike, and peddle your ass down there right ****ing now and buy it for $450.00.
That's $150.00 below market and way below wholesale.
I'm working at our plant tomorrow so I'll run over to the shop at lunch time and give it a once over. I do know for a fact it's no-ban but if it's that cheap something must be up. How much to the rail models usually go for versus the non-rail models?
I'm working at our plant tomorrow so I'll run over to the shop at lunch time and give it a once over. I do know for a fact it's no-ban but if it's that cheap something must be up. How much to the rail models usually go for versus the non-rail models?
Last time I was selling them, $610 for a no rail and $650 or so for a railed no ban rifle.
Scratch that, I called DeGoff's and they don't have any in stock either. They did put me 'want list' in case a used one shows up.
Damn...I should have bought one when you told me to get one. <make a mental note to listen to Templar when it comes to AKs>
ETA: Tim, if I can't find an A1R who could install one of THESE (http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16170&cat=265&page=1) on an A1 for me?
Scratch that, I called DeGoff's and they don't have any in stock either. They did put me 'want list' in case a used one shows up.
Damn...I should have bought one when you told me to get one. <make a mental note to listen to Templar when it comes to AKs>
ETA: Tim, if I can't find an A1R who could install one of THESE (http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16170&cat=265&page=1) on an A1 for me?
Well.........I tried.
I'll keep my eyes and ears open for you. The A1 does not have the scope rail, but the A1R DOES have the rail already installed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Funny%20stuff/Pimpdaddydarkside.jpg
And, you can put a 5.56 suppressor on a AK74:D
Check your PM. I might have a lead for you.
I just reread your last post Marc....yes, there are people who can install the scope rail on a non railed SLR for you.
Marc, I found you one here in VA, it's still unfired.
SLR-105A1, no rail, just like mine but black stocks.
Let me know if you're interested. It'll be less than they were over the counter.
Marc, I found you one here in VA, it's still unfired.
SLR-105A1, no rail, just like mine but black stocks.
Let me know if you're interested. It'll be less than they were over the counter.
PM sent.
Okay, SLR-105A1 inbound!!! :D
themadhatter
08-25-06, 16:02
Stop typing on the keyboard, get on your bike, and peddle your ass down there right ****ing now and buy it for $450.00.
That's $150.00 below market and way below wholesale.ya what he said:cool:
Cannot say enough good about that weapon.
I miss mine, but traded her for a Saiga .308.
Fortunately, I still have my 5.45x39 pistol.
My advice is to pick one up ASAP.
Cannot say enough good about that weapon.
I miss mine, but traded her for a Saiga .308.
Fortunately, I still have my 5.45x39 pistol.
My advice is to pick one up ASAP.
I snagged one today. Called and gave them my CC # and my FFL faxed a copy of the paperwork. It will go out on Monday and I'll be posting pictures of her by next weekend ;)
I snagged one today. Called and gave them my CC # and my FFL faxed a copy of the paperwork. It will go out on Monday and I'll be posting pictures of her by next weekend ;)
Looking forward to oggling yours. :)
I think my 1st AK is going to look like this:
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/media/sg005.jpg
That should tide me over until the SLR-108's arrive.
My 5.45 AK's are the sweetest shooting sticks that I own. I enjoy them much more than my 7.62 AK's. Just wish that ammo was a little more plentiful.
I think my 1st AK is going to look like this:
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/media/sg005.jpg
That should tide me over until the SLR-108's arrive.
Nice wood; love the Tula stocks.
I really regret trading my SLR-105R.
> sigh <
:(
My Bulgy 5.45 mags arrived today, I picked up a case of 5.45 FMJ and I received shipping notifcation of my Warsaw length buttstock. Now I just have to wait for my SLR to arrive. Waiting sucks :(
My Bulgy 5.45 mags arrived today, I picked up a case of 5.45 FMJ and I received shipping notifcation of my Warsaw length buttstock. Now I just have to wait for my SLR to arrive. Waiting sucks :(
Yeah, it does, but then you'll be holding and hugging and caressing it in un natural ways when you do get it............:D
When are you going to be able to shoot it?
Yeah, it does, but then you'll be holding and hugging and caressing it in un natural ways when you do get it............:D
When are you going to be able to shoot it?
If it arrives Thursday or early Friday I go Friday after lunch. If not I'll skip out or work early one day next week and shoot it.
Too bad I couldn't find someone <cough>Templar</cough> to split one of those 2160 round cases of ammo from K-var with me. :D
My dealer has what I think is an Arsenal Inc. It's got all black furniture. What's their engraving look like on the right side along the receiver? This one had really generic poopy looking engraving- like it had been done by hand with a $12.95 engraver and a shaky hand but it was blackened over...
If it arrives Thursday or early Friday I go Friday after lunch. If not I'll skip out or work early one day next week and shoot it.
Too bad I couldn't find someone <cough>Templar</cough> to split one of those 2160 round cases of ammo from K-var with me. :D
You want to split a couple cases, let me know! :D
Suicide.......an Arsenal SLR-105 will always have these markings on the left hand side........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/DeGoffs%20Stuff/PureEvil002.jpg
You want to split a couple cases, let me know! :D
Do you want to split one of the 2160 round cases of 53gr FMJBT?
Do you want to split one of the 2160 round cases of 53gr FMJBT?
Why don't we get a full case each?
Dinger, Where are you finding that one at?--can't let M4arc one up me--I might be getting the bug on this one??
The pic that Dinger posted is of an Arsenal Inc. SLR-105A1 that had the Russian triangular folder installed, Soviet era AKS-74 laminate, and the rifle was then refinished.
To get something like that, you're going to have to do a little building.
Ohio Rapid Fire has excellent condition AKS-74 kits in stock and DCI/NODAK will have their AKS-74 receiver to market very soon.
Prepare to pay out the ass for real Soviet era laminate though.........:o
The pic that Dinger posted is of an Arsenal Inc. SLR-105A1 that had the Russian triangular folder installed, Soviet era AKS-74 laminate, and the rifle was then refinished.
To get something like that, you're going to have to do a little building.
Ohio Rapid Fire has excellent condition AKS-74 kits in stock and DCI/NODAK will have their AKS-74 receiver to market very soon.
Prepare to pay out the ass for real Soviet era laminate though.........:o
Templar,
I can do w/o the Soviet furniture-other than the stock though. While we are on the subject of the stock-can that be fitted and work in 7.62?
With your knowledge, should I wait for the 5.45 that Arsenal is expected to release? I do want a railed version in both calibers.
Mark
Dinger, Where are you finding that one at?--can't let M4arc one up me--I might be getting the bug on this one??
I was looking at buying one from Atlantic that's already built up and just installing the Russian furniture myself. I've always wanted an AKS-74 side-folder. I'm sure the Arsenal SLR-105 with a gunsmith installed side-folding stock would be a hair "Better" but as long as mine goes bang every time it won't bother me.
I got myself on the waiting list for a SLR-108 at Templar's old work place to cover my 7.62mm AK needs last week.
I was looking at buying one from Atlantic that's already built up and just installing the Russian furniture myself. I've always wanted an AKS-74 side-folder. I'm sure the Arsenal SLR-105 with a gunsmith installed side-folding stock would be a hair "Better" but as long as mine goes bang every time it won't bother me.
I got myself on the waiting list for a SLR-108 at Templar's old work place to cover my 7.62mm AK needs last week.
I was looking at those, has me thinking-then I would be unable to get the 107 when it gets out.
The pic that Dinger posted is of an Arsenal Inc. SLR-105A1 that had the Russian triangular folder installed, Soviet era AKS-74 laminate, and the rifle was then refinished.
To get something like that, you're going to have to do a little building.
Ohio Rapid Fire has excellent condition AKS-74 kits in stock and DCI/NODAK will have their AKS-74 receiver to market very soon.
Prepare to pay out the ass for real Soviet era laminate though.........:o
How are the ORF pre-built AKS-74 rifles?
Templar,
I can do w/o the Soviet furniture-other than the stock though. While we are on the subject of the stock-can that be fitted and work in 7.62?
With your knowledge, should I wait for the 5.45 that Arsenal is expected to release? I do want a railed version in both calibers.
Mark
Yes, the triangular AKS stock can be fitted to an AKM type, in AK collector-speak they're called "Khyber Pass" rifles, since they have shown up from time to time in Afghanistan, usually crafted by local weapon manufacturers.
One of our favorite scumbags using a "Khyber Pass" AKM.......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Afghanistan/binladen_16.jpg
Here's a clone built by aurang over on www.akforum.net, it turned out really well!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b101/aurang/AZEXTALIBAN1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b101/aurang/AZEXTALIBAN2.jpg
Arsenal Inc. has discontinued importation of the 5.45x39mm SLR-105's....so if you want one I'd get it.
The receivers that DCI are coming out with were reverse engineered from SLR-105's and they're supposed to be top notch.
The SLR-108 will be coming out after the SLR-107A1's. I don't think the SLR-108 will be available with a rail, but you can add that later. The SLR-107A1R will have the rail factory installed.
Dinger, I can't emphasize enough how much I think you should go with the SLR-105 as a base rifle to build into an AKS-74......Bulgarian receiver.....:D
How are the ORF pre-built AKS-74 rifles?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Funny%20stuff/Forrest.jpg
I'd buy a kit or magazines from them in a heartbeat........but not a built rifle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Funny%20stuff/Forrest.jpg
I'd buy a kit or magazines from them in a heartbeat........but not a built rifle.
:D
Thanks Tim.
It's nice to have an AK "Guru" around to keep us "AR Guys" pointed in the right direction.
Next Question:
How are the AKS-74's that Atlantic Firearms is selling?
Just glad I could help.
Paul, I'd ask who built the rifle.
If it's ORF or Elite out of Hurst, TX, run away. If it's Red Jacket, you should be good to go, and I would demand an Armory USA receiver, which is properly heat treated.
Yes, the triangular AKS stock can be fitted to an AKM type, in AK collector-speak they're called "Khyber Pass" rifles, since they have shown up from time to time in Afghanistan, usually crafted by local weapon manufacturers.
One of our favorite scumbags using a "Khyber Pass" AKM.......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Afghanistan/binladen_16.jpg
Here's a clone built by aurang over on www.akforum.net, it turned out really well!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b101/aurang/AZEXTALIBAN1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b101/aurang/AZEXTALIBAN2.jpg
Arsenal Inc. has discontinued importation of the 5.45x39mm SLR-105's....so if you want one I'd get it.
The receivers that DCI are coming out with were reverse engineered from SLR-105's and they're supposed to be top notch.
The SLR-108 will be coming out after the SLR-107A1's. I don't think the SLR-108 will be available with a rail, but you can add that later. The SLR-107A1R will have the rail factory installed.
Dinger, I can't emphasize enough how much I think you should go with the SLR-105 as a base rifle to build into an AKS-74......Bulgarian receiver.....:D
That's exactly what I want!--is he selling those?
I'd love to have a '74 in Russian wood with a sidefolder like at the top of the page. Since the Russian would would cost me an arm and a leg (how much exactly?) my next choice would be a plum version with plum mags or black with the nice bakelite mags. Where should I be looking to go for the rifle I'm describing? I built a Polish PMKMS but don't feel like building another but I am not against buying a kit since I can find a builder...
thanks,
Joe
Mark, aurang didn't build the rifles, he had Derek Huffman at Arizona Expert Arms do it ( http://www.azexarms.com/ ). Here's the link.....
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7664&highlight=
I think they came out great.
Suicide.....when I first got my SLR-105A1 I bought a set of Soviet laminate, handguards, buttstock and a bakelite pistol grip (proper....the AKS-74's were the ones that used laminated pistol grips) and paid something like $300.00 for them.
I put them on the rifle......man it looked good. I went to the range and shot the rifle, and then realized that I just spent $300.00 for varnished plywood. I use the rifle in 3 Gun and "Tactical" matches....and if I took a header and slammed into the gravel.......I'd cry like a little girl if I scratched that $300.00 plywood up.
I took it off and put plum on, which is still "correct" for a mid-late 80's-90's AK-74. I sold the laminate at a slight loss.
I'd expect you to pay about $150.00 or so for the handguards and pistol grip, the buttstock adds a fair amount.
Ohio Rapid Fire has some early Bulgarian AKS-74 kits with Russian side folding stocks. Wait for DCI to get their AKS-74 receiver to market and then send it off to be built. K-Var offers US made plum handguards which are every bit as good as the Russian.
http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=8445646.7658*VT0vd0&p_id=02066&xm=on&ppinc=big
Mark, aurang didn't build the rifles, he had Derek Huffman at Arizona Expert Arms do it ( http://www.azexarms.com/ ). Here's the link.....
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7664&highlight=
I think they came out great.
Suicide.....when I first got my SLR-105A1 I bought a set of Soviet laminate, handguards, buttstock and a bakelite pistol grip (proper....the AKS-74's were the ones that used laminated pistol grips) and paid something like $300.00 for them.
I put them on the rifle......man it looked good. I went to the range and shot the rifle, and then realized that I just spent $300.00 for varnished plywood. I use the rifle in 3 Gun and "Tactical" matches....and if I took a header and slammed into the gravel.......I'd cry like a little girl if I scratched that $300.00 plywood up.
I took it off and put plum on, which is still "correct" for a mid-late 80's-90's AK-74. I sold the laminate at a slight loss.
I'd expect you to pay about $150.00 or so for the handguards and pistol grip, the buttstock adds a fair amount.
Ohio Rapid Fire has some early Bulgarian AKS-74 kits with Russian side folding stocks. Wait for DCI to get their AKS-74 receiver to market and then send it off to be built. K-Var offers US made plum handguards which are every bit as good as the Russian.
http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=8445646.7658*VT0vd0&p_id=02066&xm=on&ppinc=big
Templar, Cool! I just got done talking with him. He recommended the Polish kits for this build. Now I just need to collect the parts-any leads for the Type II Global Trades 1mm ?
Mark
Dan Tobin (Dan's Ammo) is having a sale on Polish PMKMS underoflders.....everything you need just discard/sell the underfolding stock assembly.
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8142
Personally, I'd go with the DCI NDS-1 (AKM) recievers if available, they are beautiful receivers and about as close an a US receiver can get to being the real deal:
http://www.nodakspud.com/page2.htm
The Global Trades/Armory USA receivers would be my second choice......they're kind of hard to find right now though.
You might try Doug Stockman in Spotsylvania, I thought he had one or two at the show in Fredricksburg.
http://www.ssgknives.com/
Just please, don't use an Ohio Ordnance......they put the selector hole too low, so you get a nasty gap in between the dustcover and the safety lever when it's on safe, and the receiver isn't properly heat treated.
Hope that helps.
Alright--Git-Ir-Done!
Working on the parts and reciever now!--going for a custom ser number!
BIG QUESTION--IS IT KYHBER OR KHYBER ? I'VE SEEN IT SPELLED BOTH WAYS WHEN SEARCHING
Also, any idea where I can find a screw type scope base for the side?
Mark
Mark, it's Khyber, some people (like myself ;) ) are dyslexic....just switched the letters a little.
http://www.afghan-network.net/khyber.html
Doug Ford has a bunch of Russian equipment, including scope plates.
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/
Jay Cunningham
08-29-06, 16:55
when I first got my SLR-105A1 I bought a set of Soviet laminate, handguards, buttstock and a bakelite pistol grip (proper....the AKS-74's were the ones that used laminated pistol grips) and paid something like $300.00 for them.
I put them on the rifle......man it looked good. I went to the range and shot the rifle, and then realized that I just spent $300.00 for varnished plywood.
Ain't that the truth...
Thanks Templar. I always thought K-Var is where I'd like to head to shop for kits and parts and since you say it's ok, I would be happy to shop there.
$150 isn't too awful bad since I'm just looking for the handguards and pistol grip...
I like the sidefolder a lot. How does firing that sidefolder in 5.45 compare to firing a 7.62 underfolder? A lot easier on the jaw and shoulder? ;)
Now what about the sidefolders that look like a solid stock when unfolded? I think It would be a toss up between the two with a slight edge toward solid sidefolder if the cheekweld is that much better.
My polish AK is very accurate but I just don't feel like laying my chin on the stock to get a good weld! :D
Joe, no issues at all with 5.45 and the steel triangular folder.....I've shot full auto AKSU-74 "Krinkov"s with 7" barrels and they are pussy cats.
Bear in mind that K-Var's stuff will be new.....while Ohio Rapidfire is selling used kits, some in excellent to like new condition though. I'd advise not going for the "refurbished" stuff, some have reported bad barrels.
The more modern synthetic stock that folds to the left is called a "Century Series" stock. Same dimensions as the standard fixed stock, it just folds to the left. The Russians started putting these on the updated and latest issue AK-74M, M for modernized. The newer stocks are very comfortable.
The stock was then incorporated into the AK-100 series, or "Century".
Katar here on the board has a clone of an AK-105, which is the shorter carbine version of the AK-74M, which took the place of the discontinued Krinkov.
It has the folding Century Series stock on it:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3403/ak105qw4.jpg
Doug Ford usually has these stocks for sale, and you could also place a want to buy add on www.akforum.net and probably get hooked up.
I definitely want both stocks...
Damn...
So the ORF kit for $450 is not as good as other kits out there, for sure?
The one for $429 looks like a great deal....they're advertised as excellent to as new....probably demilled from war reserve rifles that never saw the field.
http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=141198.17201*qx57z3&p_id=02066&xm=on&ppinc=big
The one for $429 looks like a great deal....they're advertised as excellent to as new....probably demilled from war reserve rifles that never saw the field.
http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=141198.17201*qx57z3&p_id=02066&xm=on&ppinc=big
That looks nice-I like the new never assembled one at Kvar--I plan to do a 74 next year -little twin to the AK one I'm gearing up for!
Mark
Templar, we've created a monster here. Mark5pt56 is going off the deep end!
He'll have to change his screen name to either Mark5pt45 or Mark7pt62 before this is over :D
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3403/ak105qw4.jpg
Oh I like this....Can I make my SLR-105 into this? How much would it cost me?
Templar, we've created a monster here. Mark5pt56 is going off the deep end!
He'll have to change his screen name to either Mark5pt45 or Mark7pt62 before this is over :D
I don't think that's a bad thing...........:cool:
Ryan, you surely can.....
Get the barrel and accessories from K-Var (they also have AK-102 in 5.56 and AK-104 in 7.62 front ends as well).......
http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16582&cat=253&page=1
http://www.k-var.com/shop/images/AK-105h.jpg
And then you can add either a triangular steel folder or the 100 series synthetic side folder like Katar has on his.
$200 SBR tax stamp and you're golden.
Ryan, you surely can.....
Get the barrel and accessories from K-Var (they also have AK-102 in 5.56 and AK-104 in 7.62 front ends as well).......
http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16582&cat=253&page=1
http://www.k-var.com/shop/images/AK-105h.jpg
And then you can add either a triangular steel folder or the 100 series synthetic side folder like Katar has on his.
$200 SBR tax stamp and you're golden.
I'm about as mechanically gifted as a turnip. Who would I send this off to have the work done?
Also, I remember reading....always getting my information from reading and never by doing...anyways, I remember reading that there were reliability "issues" with the Krinks. Are there any problems with short AKs?
Templar, we've created a monster here. Mark5pt56 is going off the deep end!
He'll have to change his screen name to either Mark5pt45 or Mark7pt62 before this is over :D
It's a desease!--wonder if I can get federal aid for it? might be covered under the ADA
Nope, there shouldn't be any reliablity issues at all.
I'm with you.....I'd send it off, I'm a shooter, not a builder.
If you're pockets are fairly deep, Chris Butler at AKUSA www.ak-103.com would be my first choice....
There are a fair # of excellent AK smiths out there, Derek Huffman who was mentioned above in regards to the Khyber Pass AKMS would also be a great choice.
Check out this link, we compiled a list of known smiths that we were confident with....but contact them first and see what they'd do.
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19
Ted Marshall would actually be the #1 guy but I don't think he's taking work now. He and Chris Butler are perfectionists.
Nope, there shouldn't be any reliablity issues at all.
I'm with you.....I'd send it off, I'm a shooter, not a builder.
If you're pockets are fairly deep, Chris Butler at AKUSA www.ak-103.com would be my first choice....
There are a fair # of excellent AK smiths out there, Derek Huffman who was mentioned above in regards to the Khyber Pass AKMS would also be a great choice.
Check out this link, we compiled a list of known smiths that we were confident with....but contact them first and see what they'd do.
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19
Ted Marshall would actually be the #1 guy but I don't think he's taking work now. He and Chris Butler are perfectionists.
Thanks Templar. Pockets are't too deep so I'm going to have to play with my rifle "as is" for awhile....might have to start off with a folding stock first and work my way there.
The gas system on those seems to be the same length as full size AKs with just the front sight assembly brought rearward to the gas block. They could get a little finicky having the end of the barrel brough so close in but then again, they are AKs, aren't they? They'll run fine under almost all conditions!
Are the complete rifles pictured here:
http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=141198.17201*rM5533&p_id=02100&xm=on&ppinc=big#
in excellent condition? Were they refinished after building or would they have just been built using the best parts kits available with the finish and condition left as-is? $6-700 doesn't sound bad considering the kit is $430.
Just glad I could help.
Paul, I'd ask who built the rifle.
If it's ORF or Elite out of Hurst, TX, run away. If it's Red Jacket, you should be good to go, and I would demand an Armory USA receiver, which is properly heat treated.
Templar, I got this from an "Atlantic Firearms" post over on AK Forum. It describes their AKS-74's in detail.
What do you think?
Posted by Atlantic Firearms:
"FYI >> We have recently contracted with Armory USA / Global Trades to custom build for us the AK74 rifle series ,BLR-74 rifles will feature Bulgarian parts built on Armory's 1.6 mm receiver for superior strength & accuracy, they have the Tapco G2 fire control group, side mount scope rail , Bulgarian poly furniture & parkerized finish. We will be offering these in both fixed stock and side folder versions, each rifle will come with one mag, sling and presentation box. The combination of the 1,6mm reciever, Armorys build and the Bulgarian 74 parts should equal a rock solid & accurate rifle. We expect to have these in our warehouse in early Sept and are the exclusive distributor for them.
They are built by Armory in Texas for us on Bulgarian kits with the 1.6mm rec.
Yes the folder is built on a Bulgarian AK 74 kit and will have the military issue side folder, no pics at this time but they look like the standard Bulgarian rifles, the big difference is the 1.6mm rec and that these are a custom build for us by Armory, we decided to do this after Arsenal discontinued their SLR 105 rifle line.
These are not firm prices but around $629 -$649 for the fixed stock & $739-$759 for the side folder , of course we will be offering discounts to AK Fourm members "
Joe......I'd pass on those.
#1....they're built on OOW receivers, which used to be just about all that was available, but not anymore. They aren't properly heat treated.
#2......and I hate to say this but I haven't been impressed with ORF builds. They can build good rifles, but I've seen more than a few that shouldn't have left the shop at all.
Paul, I don't know if those are in production yet and I don't know if they are the same ones that they have listed. The ones they have on the site now appear to have some kind of black moly finish on them, not just parkerized.
The 1.6mm receivers aren't "correct", but they're all that's probably available.
Nothing "wrong" with them, they'll be a very sturdy receiver.
Just get that other SLR-105A1 that Marc had the lead on and get a side folder stock and send it off.......
themadhatter
08-30-06, 07:39
what i can't understand is why are they still using OOW receiver's
Just get that other SLR-105A1 that Marc had the lead on and get a side folder stock and send it off....... best way to go IMO
Here is a pic of my SAR-2's.
http://www.huntingpictures.net/photo/003745 (http://www.huntingpictures.net/photoview/003745)
TigerStripe
08-30-06, 14:47
I'd love to have one like this. I wonder how much it would take to make one that looks like this.
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/media/sg005.jpg
TS
Jay Cunningham
08-30-06, 14:50
what i can't understand is why are they still using OOW receiver's best way to go IMO
Probably got a deal clearing out the last of them.
Jay Cunningham
08-30-06, 14:52
I'd love to have one like this. I wonder how much it would take to make one that looks like this.
http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/media/sg005.jpg
TS
It would cost probably around $1500. This number can vary greatly by builder - but you said "one that looks like this."
;)
TigerStripe
08-30-06, 17:02
It would cost probably around $1500. This number can vary greatly by builder - but you said "one that looks like this."
;)
I wouldn't mind having that one, but I imagine I'd get into a little trouble... An Arsenal SLR-105 w/ the stock and furniture changed?? Or a kit??
TS
If you're going to do it, I'd start with an Arsenal SLR-105.
If you're going to do a kit, do it on a DCI receiver.
Jay Cunningham
08-30-06, 17:57
For the rifle pictured it's going to need the following (assuming an SLR-105 base gun):
gas block w/ bayonet (also referred to as 'accessory" lug)
2 pc. Russian laminate front HG's
Russian laminate PG
Russian sidefolding steel stock w/ 19 pc. hardware (including new rear trunion)
additional nice touches:
Russian selector and trunion markings
"moving" original arsenal/importer markings to under receiver
Russian Izhmash bakelite mags
Russian sling, bayo, mag pouch
all marked items circa 1979 or thereabouts
You can see this stuff can add up real quick if you desire an authentic replica. It also requires a whole pile of patience and time.
Paul, I don't know if those are in production yet and I don't know if they are the same ones that they have listed. The ones they have on the site now appear to have some kind of black moly finish on them, not just parkerized.
The 1.6mm receivers aren't "correct", but they're all that's probably available.
Nothing "wrong" with them, they'll be a very sturdy receiver.
I called Atlantic today and your 100% correct.
The 1.6mm receiver AK-74 is a completely new model they are getting built by global, using a global receiver.
The AKS-74 they have for sale now are built on OOW receivers. I cannot remember the exact name of the builder, but it started with "Red". I asked about getting one built with a Armory USA receiver like you suggested and they said it wasn’t possible because they cannot get the receivers.
All this is just killing me.....:D
My fever is soooo high right now. Com-bloc fever is just too contagious.
Woohoo!
My SLR-105A1 will be here on Friday. My Warsaw length buttstock will be here on Tuesday. My ammo and mags are here and ready to roll.
Dinger and I will probably hit the range Friday afternoon. Range Report will follow.
Marc, will you PLEASE get Dinger to buy the SLR-105A1 while he can!!??
He can then add a side folder a little later.....:cool:
I'm guessing the builder of the rifles they have now is Red Jacket down in Louisianna. They do a decent build by and large.
The Ohio Ordnance receivers aren't in spec, although there have been a lot of rifles built on them......there are much better options available now.
The Armory/Global Trades 1mm receiver is a decent receiver, Marc and I have rifles built on them. They're in very short supply though. The older design that Global Trades put out was a 1.6mm receiver, which is the same thickness as a Chinese stamped receiver. They're decent, just not "correct" for a European AKM or AK-74 build. They certainly work though.
I'm pretty certain that the reason that the new rifles will be built on the 1.6mm receivers is that that's all that Global has left....no one was buying them once the 1mm receivers came out.
Mauser 88, great Romies!!
Marc, will you PLEASE get Dinger to buy the SLR-105A1 while he can!!??
He can then add a side folder a little later.....:cool:
Don't worry, he'll buy one after he shoots mine ;)
TigerStripe
08-30-06, 19:28
For the rifle pictured it's going to need the following (assuming an SLR-105 base gun):
gas block w/ bayonet (also referred to as 'accessory" lug)
2 pc. Russian laminate front HG's
Russian laminate PG
Russian sidefolding steel stock w/ 19 pc. hardware (including new rear trunion)
additional nice touches:
Russian selector and trunion markings
"moving" original arsenal/importer markings to under receiver
Russian Izhmash bakelite mags
Russian sling, bayo, mag pouch
all marked items circa 1979 or thereabouts
You can see this stuff can add up real quick if you desire an authentic replica. It also requires a whole pile of patience and time.
Thanks for all the info!
TS
Don't worry, he'll buy one after he shoots mine ;)
You are evil bra!
Marc, will you PLEASE get Dinger to buy the SLR-105A1 while he can!!??
OK, I've given up the fight.
:D
I will be calling Marc tomorrow.
OK, I've given up the fight.
:D
I will be calling Marc tomorrow.
Wait in line bub!
OK, I've given up the fight.
:D
I will be calling Marc tomorrow.
And there was rejoicing in the streets!!
Whoot! :D
And there was rejoicing in the streets!!
Whoot! :D
All I need to do now is find one available.
Don't worry, he'll buy one after he shoots mine ;)
When are you going to post some detailed photos?
When are you going to post some detailed photos?
Maybe today or as soon as I can sneak the wife's new digital camera away ;)
Tada!
http://members.cox.net/mwinder3/images/slr105a1.JPG
I put a WARSAW length buttstock on it and the factory sling. Obviously I need more mags but I have 1000 rounds of Wolf 5.45 and after I finish some stuff at work next week I'm going to pick a day to sneak out at noon and hit the range to break this baby in!
Jay Cunningham
09-07-06, 23:24
Looks great!
:D
They are gorgeous weapons.
Enjoy!
Just a by - the -way....I no longer work at DeGoff's, but they do have (5) SLR-105A1's in stock at $575.00 each.
Just a by - the -way....I no longer work at DeGoff's, but they do have (5) SLR-105A1's in stock at $575.00 each.
:eek:
I guess that means a drive for me next week. I can stop in on my way home from work.
Bulldog1967
09-08-06, 21:56
Just a by - the -way....I no longer work at DeGoff's, but they do have (5) SLR-105A1's in stock at $575.00 each.
Yeah, that's all I needed to know....:D
Well, not that I'm trying to promote panic buying, but they have been discontinued and anyone who's a member of the Arsenal/KVar forum just got an email today with DeGoff's phone # saying that they have a few SLR-105's left.
You might want to call and hold one....
It looks like "Ice Man" Templar wore me down.
:D
I could not pass up a new or "Like New" SLR-105A1 for $500 shipped.
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8974
It looks like "Ice Man" Templar wore me down.
:D
I could not pass up a new or "Like New" SLR-105A1 for $500 shipped.
http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8974
Tim (aka The Iceman) always gets his way.
Tim (aka The Iceman) always gets his way.
Iceman from Topgun:
"It's the way he flies, ice cold, no mistakes. He wears you down, you get bored--frustrated--do something stupid and he's got ya.
Translation: The "Victim" just gives up and buys an Arsenal.
:D
:D :D :D
Good score Dinger.......I can go relax now.
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