View Full Version : Daniel Defense MFR 12.0 up close
I know a few guys here have the MFR but I've yet to see close ups of it. Well here are some that I took today. They aren't the greatest but at least you get the point on how it attaches.
BTW, my scale is about a gram off. I weighed some US coins and compared them to what the US Mint says.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0166.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0165.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0164.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0170.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0175.jpg
The set screw holes with the mounting collar pre-installed by DD.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0171.jpg
The set screws press against the groove on the barrel nut..
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0172.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0173.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0174.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/IMG_0176.jpg
Great post! Thanks for the photos!
What's the width and height of the tube?
Great post! Thanks for the photos!
What's the width and height of the tube?
Shit I knew I should have measured it. The specs are floating around somewhere in the forums. I packed it up in a box to be sent to Virginia Arms Co.
Don Robison
04-29-11, 20:07
Great post! Thanks for the photos!
What's the width and height of the tube?
https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/modular-float-rail-12-0.html
Materials & Construction
Precision CNC machined from 6061 T6 aluminum and Military Specification Hard Coat Anodized.
Material: Aircraft Grade 6061-T6 Aluminum
Finish: Military Specification Type III Hard Coat Anodized
Length: 12.0"
Outside Diameter: 1.76"
Inside Diameter: 1.61"
Weight 12.2 oz
3" Rail Section Weight: 1.1 oz
Made in the USA!
Thanks for the pics. Let us know how you like it once you get your upper back.
Will do. I'm fond of slick tubes so progressing towards the MFR was a good move. I'm currently running the Troy/VTAC handguard on my current rig. Now this is just personal opinion but this feels much beefier in my hands (that's what she said). All the IWC stuff for the Troy/VTAC fits on the MFR. I'll be transferring over the QD mount and hand stop when it comes back.
I prefer this DD but am thinking this is the better deal the the weight is similar
http://troyind.com/%20/battlerails/troy-battlerail-alpha-coming-soon
I really don't like the integrated front sight. Just personal opinion..
FChen17213
04-30-11, 07:37
I'm just curious, but by beefier, do you mean thicker, more solid, or both? Purely from a measurement point of view, I think the DD is supposed to have a slightly smaller outer circumference than the Troy TRX Extreme. I can't find the measurements online now, but it's out there.
Also, for a sling attachment, have they come out with another way to attach a sling or would you have to attach a piece of picatinny rail and then mount some sort of sling mount on it? I'm sure there are some ways to loop 550 cord or something through the holes and rig something up, but I was thinking something along the lines of a QD socket.
I really don't like the integrated front sight. Just personal opinion..
If they offer the various sight bases and the sight operates like a standard Troy sight I don't see the disadvantage. Plus they are back up sights.
I am looking at both of these rails but it will cost me $120 more to go the DD route with a BUIS.
Unless the build quality on the DD is $120 better.....
I need to see both in person.
I just installed mine last week and have been impressed with it thus far. I have a Troy TRX Extreme on another gun and have been very happy with it, so I figured I'd give the DD option a try and see what I thought.
One thing I like off the bat about the DD rail is that you do not have to remove the handguard to change rail placement. Granted, this is usually a moot point once you get it set up, but it is nice to be able to easily remove rails initially while getting it configured.
As mentioned above, I've still not settled on a forward sling attachment configuration. I'll be interested to see what options other come up with.
NCPatrolAR
05-06-11, 18:07
I'm using a Magpul RSA on my MFR.
I've owned a Troy MFR and TRX Extreme, and I've been disappointed with the quality of both. The DD Lite and RIS-II are worlds better, but very more expensive.
Had this rail been released when I bought the TRX Extreme, without a doubt I would have bought the DD over the Troy.
DD rails are the best i've used. From design, manufacturing, sales support etc, its all there. Nice things cost money, but I have no doubt my RIS-II will be probably the longest lasting componet of my rifle.
I have one on my main gun and I love it so far.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3382.jpg
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3383.jpg
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3386.jpg
I've owned a Troy MFR and TRX Extreme, and I've been disappointed with the quality of both. The DD Lite and RIS-II are worlds better, but very more expensive.
Interesting... When the TRX came out, I thought I'd like it. But then I shot one and couldn't stand the feel of it. It was so slim it felt like I was holding the barrel. And there was such minimal space between the gas block, I could move the barrel with the flash hider to where it woud hit the rail with little effort.
FChen17213
05-09-11, 11:16
Is that a QD Sling attachment point on the left side of the rail? I never saw that socket in any of the other MFR photos.
Is that a QD Sling attachment point on the left side of the rail? I never saw that socket in any of the other MFR photos.
It is a custom install I love the rail and run a Vickers two point sling.
The best way I could figure out the sling mount was do a little work.
RAM Engineer
05-09-11, 15:58
I'm wary of the set-screw attachment method. That's why I didn't like the Omega X rails.
Interesting... When the TRX came out, I thought I'd like it. But then I shot one and couldn't stand the feel of it. It was so slim it felt like I was holding the barrel. And there was such minimal space between the gas block, I could move the barrel with the flash hider to where it woud hit the rail with little effort.
Holding a DD RIS-II and a TRX, its easy to see why the DD is more expensive. Not just from a ergonmics standpoint either. DD stuff is a work of CNC art.
I could never get the TRX or MRF to align perfectly with the upper, using both a DD upper and a Noveske upper. Both the TRX and the MRF were slightly lower. Just enough to annoy me.
Intrestingly, the DD (Lite 12.0 & RIS-II) mated up with both the same two uppers perfectly.
I'm wary of the set-screw attachment method. That's why I didn't like the Omega X rails.
I passed on the Omega for the same reason. It looks as if the brunt of the weight on this rail is on the countersunk screws.
Mr. Smith,
(Slight off-topic)What's the barrel length on that weapon?
Mr. Smith,
(Slight off-topic)What's the barrel length on that weapon?
The gun in ? is 12.5.
Here's a few more of my MFR:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2616/5706859233_0d9bb9afb0_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2365/5707424366_c80ddc1f0b_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/5707424162_da4daafe77_b.jpg
Joe- Do you have any close up pictures or info on your Q/D socket install? I'm interested...
Joe- Do you have any close up pictures or info on your Q/D socket install? I'm interested...
Might try the IWC/M-N-S version as it only requires drilling a single hole.
I am a distributer for both I-W-C and Noveske on this rail The Noveske part is more solid.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3392.jpg
The I-W-C parts are nice for lots of other things as you can tell I am running there light mount and hand stop.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3383.jpg
Has anyone tried to use the I-W-C part on this rail?
I spent about an hour on the rail and found this to be best for me.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3400.jpg
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3401.jpg
I am a distributer for both I-W-C and Noveske on this rail The Noveske part is more solid.
That makes sense now that I think about it. The IWC part works well on the Troy rails because the set-screws can lock into the grooves on the inside, and on the MOE handguards because they can sink themselves into the plastic. Without either option here the Noveske would probably resist rotation best.
Looks like a great install.
Guys who have had used one of these for a little while now, who have also run the Troy offering, if you haven't mentioned it already do you have a strong preference for one or the other, and why?
Army Chief
05-10-11, 13:32
Just saw Mr. Smith's rifle, and can't think of any reason that I would still prefer the Troy to the DD.
Looks like a pretty exceptional piece of kit.
AC
Guys who have had used one of these for a little while now, who have also run the Troy offering, if you haven't mentioned it already do you have a strong preference for one or the other, and why?
I haven't had a Troy on any of my personal rifles, but plenty of my students have. I've seen more stripped threads and rails coming loose than I'm comfortable with.
I love the weight and feel of the Troy rails, but the very tiny helicoil mounts leave a lot to be desired, IMO. There seems to be a very small window of getting them tight enough, but not too tight.
I've heard Troy has/is updating the mounting bracket, but I'm not sure if that has happened.
The DD mounts solidly, is about the same weight, and feels just as good. The MFR is on my 'go to' rifle, and will be on all of my future rifles as well.
Im not huge fan of the new DD rail's looks, and think the Troy/VTAC rail looks much sleeker, but "looks" dont really matter much in the end.
The mounting design of the new DD rail looks very well thought out and solid. I love my VTAC TRX's, but I agree with some of the concerns on the TRX's mounting design (helicoils, etc.) and will probably use one of these new DD rails on my next build.
I haven't had a Troy on any of my personal rifles, but plenty of my students have. I've seen more stripped threads and rails coming loose than I'm comfortable with.
I love the weight and feel of the Troy rails, but the very tiny helicoil mounts leave a lot to be desired, IMO. There seems to be a very small window of getting them tight enough, but not too tight.
I've heard Troy has/is updating the mounting bracket, but I'm not sure if that has happened.
The DD mounts solidly, is about the same weight, and feels just as good. The MFR is on my 'go to' rifle, and will be on all of my future rifles as well.
Thanks Tom, that's the kind of feedback I was looking for. I've heard of people having issues with the helicoils on the Troys. I'm thinking about putting together a lightweight upper and the MFR is looking to be just the ticket forend-wise.
black22rifle
10-13-11, 01:10
Here's a few more of my MFR:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2616/5706859233_0d9bb9afb0_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2365/5707424366_c80ddc1f0b_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/5707424162_da4daafe77_b.jpg
Joe- Do you have any close up pictures or info on your Q/D socket install? I'm interested...
it think this would work pretty good and it requires no drilling.
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/qd-rotation-limited-mount/
Question just to be clear. The rail is held in place and rotation is controlled by just the 4 set screws which screw into a grove on the barrel nut? Set screws kind of crush into the grove or just push against the bottom of it?
If the barrel nut was removed and put on another upper might it not be possible to have a problem with the set screw trying to go back in the previous location which then would not allow the pic rails to align with the flat top upper?
Guess I just don’t understand the attachment.
You would think in today's world on CNC, etc that all of these items could be made totally compatible with different manufacturers, etc.
I would like to to see a spline system on this barrel nut/guard combo and also on a fsb if utilized. A longer bearing surface in my opinion would make it stronger as well to mitigate flex.
I have the Lite rails(like them), tried the Troy, broke it and once replaced, sold it. Looked at these and went with the Centurion Arms rail.
I have one on my main gun and I love it so far.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/SuperiorFirearms/Joes%20class%20kit/100_3382.jpg
Sorry, I found it . . . . My Google-Fu is off, need more coffee
Edit:
Its been awhile since I looked for new components/hardware:confused:
Found it: MOUNT-N-SLOT
Man, Just went to IWC's site. Found the Answer I was looking for.
I haven't had a Troy on any of my personal rifles, but plenty of my students have. I've seen more stripped threads and rails coming loose than I'm comfortable with.
I love the weight and feel of the Troy rails, but the very tiny helicoil mounts leave a lot to be desired, IMO. There seems to be a very small window of getting them tight enough, but not too tight.
I've heard Troy has/is updating the mounting bracket, but I'm not sure if that has happened.
The DD mounts solidly, is about the same weight, and feels just as good. The MFR is on my 'go to' rifle, and will be on all of my future rifles as well.
Since this thread is bumped:
Troy has updated their rails to the "Alpha" series and they appear to be much more solid. I think the Troy Alpha and DD MFR are both excellent tube rail choices.
Cincinnatus
05-16-12, 15:24
Mr. Smith,
(Slight off-topic)What's the barrel length on that weapon?
Nevermind--answered above.
Since the thread did get bumped:
Mr. Smith's build inspired one for me...
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h24/brcook03/Firearms/Centurion125inupper.jpg
It's currently my go-to gun when heading to the range and shoots flatter and softer (to me) than my 16" midlength. That handguard is the one of the best that I've had a chance to run. It does get warm after a couple of mags of rapid fire but still manageable, especially with thin gloves (I usually wear regular Mechanix Wear gloves).
The only thing I don't like so far is the lack of direct-mount accessories. I currently have a vert grip and QD sling mount cup on two separate rail sections. I'm in the process of modding a Magpul MVG for direct mount and will swap to either a Magpul RSA or the Fortis RAP for a front sling mount. The goal is to cut a little bit of weight and the extra parts needed to mount those items.
Does anyone have a pic of or experience with the DD MFR installed on a rifle length or dissipator upper with fixed FSB?
Does anyone have a pic of or experience with the DD MFR installed on a rifle length or dissipator upper with fixed FSB?
^ This is the reason I asked the above questions, or attempted to :blink:
* A family member was in need of an upper last minute for a training session and well, he has one now and I get to build another ;)
After some more coffee, my Google-Fu kicked back into gear.
I have the Spikes GMP 16" Dissipator Upper coming in from AIM Surplus and was looking for a 12" FF tube/rail like the Troy/VTAX TRX line. Would have gone with the New Troy Alpha TRX Rail, but they don't make a 12" length. Considered the PRI Gen III, but I like the OD of the smaller tube DD MFR and mount placement options.
Wish Noveske's new FF tube/rail was offered in 12", but from what I read those are also 9", 11", and 13.5" only
I'll outfit the ST 16" GMP upper with:
- BCM Gunfighter Mod 4
- ST Dynacomp Extreme Short
- DD MFR 12"
- MOUNT-N-SLOT Hand Stop
- Magpul RSA
- VTAC Light Mount with a LED G2 w/ Scout Back
- Aimpoint Comp M2 w/ LaRue LT-150 -&- occasionally the SS 1-6x24HD w/ LT SPR mount(once it comes in)
- BUIS: Troy or ???
* Basically no rail section on the sides or lower half to save weight as I dont use them anyways
I'll post pics once I have this setup complete.
Thanks for the info., pics, review, feedback from everyone :)
Here is mine with 18" barrel and rifle length gas tube. The gas block is exposed.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCI1990.JPG
SPDGG, I look forward to seeing it, your upper and optics set up is very similar to the rifle I plan on putting the MFR on. Right now its running a MOE rifle length hand guard, but even that can loose some weight.
Here is mine with 18" barrel and rifle length gas tube. The gas block is exposed.
Thanks Sam, we're getting closer. Hope someone has one with a fixed FSB.
Here is mine with 18" barrel and rifle length gas tube. The gas block is exposed.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCI1990.JPG
I was searching for this very info, but was using the wrong key words. OP..very nice pics and description.
Sam, thanks for the info, sorry i didnt find this before I hit you up.
I love the DD MFR, if anyone is interested, this is how I mount my VFGs to slick tubes now.
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?3089-Direct-mounting-a-magpul-vertical-grip-to-a-Troy-TRX-extreme
I made that for the TRX, but it works great on the MFR as well.
saddlerocker
05-17-12, 14:09
When attaching the rail segments or the IWC handstop, how much if any of the screws protrudes on the inside of the rail.
Im deciding on the MFR or Rainier Evo and having an Ops Inc can under the rail.
Im wondering if I'll even be able to mount a handstop or picitanny section toward the end of the rail, or if the can will prevent that.
I like the looks of the Evo better, but the MFR has a slightly larger ID, and may lock up to the barrel nut better.
You could always trim the screw if it were an issue
The I-W-C parts are nice for lots of other things as you can tell I am running there light mount and hand stop.
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Not to resurrect, and maybe its no longer in production, but what IWC light mount is that? My SMC wont fit, and I dont see that one on the compatibility chart for the MFR.
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