Reduced LOP for Mossberg? [Archive]

Travis B

05-23-11, 17:32

Eric Cartman

05-23-11, 18:23

Check out the Hogue 12" ShortShot buttstock (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=42393/pid=18365/Product/05032_MOSS_500SHORTSHOT_STK_FOREND_12G). Here it is mounted on my 500A.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g94/keokicg/Mossbergshotgunpics002.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g94/keokicg/Mossbergshotgunpics004.jpg

m24shooter

05-23-11, 18:30

590A1 w/Hogue ShortShot:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/590A1%20SBS/sbshogue.jpg

With SF compro:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/590A1%20SBS/sf2hogue.jpg

Travis B

05-23-11, 18:39

Don Robison

05-23-11, 18:50

I'm running that same Hogue on my 14" 590. It's great when using it with armor; I find it just a little too short without the armor. Not a complaint; just an observation.

Travis B

05-23-11, 19:20

I'm running that same Hogue on my 14" 590. It's great when using it with armor; I find it just a little too short without the armor. Not a complaint; just an observation.

Do you change anything when running without armor? Recoil pad, etc?

Eric Cartman

05-23-11, 19:22

Eric and M24, those Hogue's look great. I think I'll probably be going with the Hogue, but I'll keep it open if anyone else has an opinion on the matter.

Now I just have to order this (http://www.nctactical.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=316) so I can get a proper cheek weld and still see through the LPA peep sights.

t42beal13t,

just for reference, I'm using the Eagle Industries Gunstock Ammo Carrier (http://www.nctactical.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=322) on my 12" buttstock

Travis B

05-23-11, 19:27

t42beal13t,

just for reference, I'm using the Eagle Industries Gunstock Ammo Carrier (http://www.nctactical.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=322) on my 12" buttstock

With the regular stock and a picatinny rail under the rear sight, I have to strain to see through the peeps. Mossberg uses the same stock for shotguns with bead sights, and with the M16-height sights, it doesn't really work. I personally need something to get my cheek up. As you can see, those sights are high on the SPX:

http://www.wanstallsonline.com/images/P/Mossberg590A112Gauge.png

Travis B

05-23-11, 19:29

prc77

05-23-11, 22:55

Mossberg 500 /Hogue 12" LOP and Factory Wood

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq149/prc77509th/DSC01599.jpg

Rob96

05-24-11, 03:18

I simply cut an inch and a half off of the factory stock.

ST911

05-26-11, 13:25

I simply cut an inch and a half off of the factory stock.

Yup. Table saw works great. You may need a little epoxy.

OFM sells a Bantam stock that's a nice length of pull. Other options I'd suggest have already been mentioned.

Travis B

05-26-11, 14:08

I simply cut an inch and a half off of the factory stock.

I don't want to take a chance with that; I don't want to mess something up and still have to buy one anyways. I may try it on a spare FAL stock, though.

Rob96

05-27-11, 02:57

It was actually quite simple. I measured how much I wanted to remove and took it off with a chop saw.

Robb Jensen

05-27-11, 05:48

I too use the Hogue short stock on my 18" 590A1. It's so short that I have to keep my right thumb on the right side of the stock so that during recoil won't cause it to hit me in the nose.

masakari

05-27-11, 13:12

Same here, hogue 12" short stock
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p313/madcatjoe/2011-03-09_18-35-49_969.jpg
I think its perfect with or without armor. Only thing id like to do to this shotgun is increase my capacity by at least one and MAYBE someday add a trijicon RMR.

jb7304

05-27-11, 18:17

I have a Choate Mark 5 stock for my 870 which is great. It has spacers in front of the recoil pad to adjust the LOP.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=761315

Moose-Knuckle

05-27-11, 18:37

Another fan of the Hogue youth stock here. Really makes a difference lugging around a 20" barreled shotgun indoors.

Travis B

05-30-11, 16:29

I have a Choate Mark 5 stock for my 870 which is great. It has spacers in front of the recoil pad to adjust the LOP.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=761315

What lengths does it adjust to?

Travis B

06-01-11, 01:30

Thanks for the advice, guys. I just placed my order from Optics Planet for the 12" Hogue. I can't wait to mount it up!

Von Rheydt

06-03-11, 19:20

Tried the 12 incher, did'nt like it, back to the 14 incher. I suppose if I was still wearing armour I would prefer the 12.

Travis B

06-03-11, 21:13

My Hogue Reduced LOP kit came in today and it mounted up beautifully. The overmolded forend was PITA to mount up, but with the help of a 17mm socket and a hammer, I was able to take the old one off and put on the new one.

Thanks for the recommendation, guys!

snake eater 332

06-03-11, 23:16

I've also got a Hogue 12" Youth Stock on my 14" Mossberg 590A1 and love it with or without body armor, but I'm only 5'9"...

http://tapatalk.com/mu/47eb4ac7-b15d-c792.jpg

I think you've made an excellent choice!

Polymerhead

06-04-11, 10:13

Same stock fits Mavericks quite well also!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/Polymerhead/ShortyShotty.jpg

Travis B

06-04-11, 12:18

I've noticed a lot of people keep their stock forend on their Mossbergs. Is there a specific reason, or do most people just get the kit without a new forend?

Polymerhead

06-04-11, 14:07

I've noticed a lot of people keep their stock forend on their Mossbergs. Is there a specific reason, or do most people just get the kit without a new forend?

The ribbed forend on short-barreled Mossbergs and Mavericks is great. It offers plenty of grip and is short enough to not interfere with sidesaddles. I believe the shorter forend also helps avoid short-stroking. The longer hunting forend sometimes has to be trimmed or replaced due to sidesaddles.

OldBoyScout

06-10-11, 16:22

I put the 12" Hogue youth stock on my 20" 590 and it is perfect. I also added the Hogue forend on it. The combination is perfect. If it is too short you can always add a 1" Limbsaver slipon to it. It is much easier to control and bring into position. It is one of my favorite longarms to shoot now.

Travis B

06-10-11, 17:15

Update: I was getting everything to go shooting tomorrow and noticed that the new Hogue forend is actually rubbing against the barrel. It's an easy fix, I just wanted those who are mounting them on 590A1s to know that there's a bit of a clearance issue. I guess there are actually thicker barrel walls on the 590A1s.

Denali

06-10-11, 17:53

I have a 20" 590A1SPX and while I LOVE the shotgun, I hate the LOP. I'm a tall guy and still find the LOP too long. If I have my vest on, then a great shoulder weld is out of the question. I was wondering what y'all are running for reduced LOP. I don't really want to put an AR-style stock on it-those seem to make it look too tacticool, but if someone can show me a picture of one that looks great, then maybe I'll reconsider. ATI will be laughed at.

The Hogue is a nice option, however there are other option's, such as this Mesa Tactical telescopic stock(with the enidine recoil reducing buffer)affixed to my Mossberg 590SP.

I stripped off the light and sling so you could get a good look at it. It does have one drawback, it's quite expensive, this LEO low mount kit set me back $275.00, but it is totally superior to any other telescopic stock on the market.

I broke my neck back in 2000, so I'm quite recoil sensitive, this set-up has virtually eliminated the onset of migraine's that accompanies a session with a traditionally stocked shotgun.

As you can see, it's hardly "too tacticool!"

Travis B

06-10-11, 18:21

The Hogue is a nice option, however there are other option's, such as this Mesa Tactical telescopic stock(with the enidine recoil reducing buffer)affixed to my Mossberg 590SP.

I stripped off the light and sling so you could get a good look at it. It does have one drawback, it's quite expensive, this LEO low mount kit set me back $275.00, but it is totally superior to any other telescopic stock on the market.

I broke my neck back in 2000, so I'm quite recoil sensitive, this set-up has virtually eliminated the onset of migraine's that accompanies a session with a traditionally stocked shotgun.

As you can see, it's hardly "too tacticool!"
Great looking set up! I had been drooling over the Mesa Tactical adapter but I just couldn't justify spending that much for an adapter when I could get a Hogue and a defensive shotgun class for the same price. If I could afford the class and the Mesa Tactical adapter I would definitely have it, but my priorities will not allow it.

dirksterg30

06-13-11, 08:47

The Hogue is a nice option, however there are other option's, such as this Mesa Tactical telescopic stock(with the enidine recoil reducing buffer)affixed to my Mossberg 590SP.

I stripped off the light and sling so you could get a good look at it. It does have one drawback, it's quite expensive, this LEO low mount kit set me back $275.00, but it is totally superior to any other telescopic stock on the market.

I broke my neck back in 2000, so I'm quite recoil sensitive, this set-up has virtually eliminated the onset of migraine's that accompanies a session with a traditionally stocked shotgun.

As you can see, it's hardly "too tacticool!"

Any issues working the slide release & safety with that setup?

Von Rheydt

06-13-11, 17:06

I've noticed a lot of people keep their stock forend on their Mossbergs. Is there a specific reason, or do most people just get the kit without a new forend?

I think people are a bit daunted by the prospect of butchering a perfectly good forend.

It is not too difficult, I found a set of instructions on youtube - minimal damage to the original so that it can be re-fitted later if required. The whole process took less than 10 minutes.

I prefer the Hogue fore-end, it is grippier than the Mossy fore-end especially when hands get wet also it does not interfere with the side-saddle.

I plan on putting a short length of rail on the front bottom of the fore-end to allow me to fit a tac light as and when needed. Cheaper and more flexible than having a dedicated light fitted - allowing movement between weapons.

Travis B

06-13-11, 19:32

I think people are a bit daunted by the prospect of butchering a perfectly good forend.

It is not too difficult, I found a set of instructions on youtube - minimal damage to the original so that it can be re-fitted later if required. The whole process took less than 10 minutes.

I prefer the Hogue fore-end, it is grippier than the Mossy fore-end especially when hands get wet also it does not interfere with the side-saddle.

I plan on putting a short length of rail on the front bottom of the fore-end to allow me to fit a tac light as and when needed. Cheaper and more flexible than having a dedicated light fitted - allowing movement between weapons.

I guess you're right about the most common way to remove it being breaking it. Luckily, mine came off with some love from a socket and hammer.

Denali

06-13-11, 22:53

Any issues working the slide release & safety with that setup?

The slide release is about as accessible with as without, however the safety is a negative with any full pistol grip stock affixed to a Mossberg....Now I'm not saying it's a detriment, it's just that it's definitely not as accessible.....

You'll have to be the judge as to whether the compromise in accessibility is worth it...:)

CGSteve

06-27-11, 23:47

Travis B

06-28-11, 05:17

Guys, for those of you who have replaced the factory stock on a 590 with the Hogue short stock, have you had troubles with reusing the stock screw?

I seem to be having trouble with using the same screw. It doesn't seem to be long enough to mount the Hogue back on.

I didn't have any trouble with mine. Take the Hogue off and stick the bolt through to check for any clearance issues.

Travis B

06-28-11, 10:37

Which washers are you using? I just took mine apart and remembered that I was using a combination of the factory flat washer and factory lock washer. I tried it with the Hogue flat washer and factory lock washer and I had only a few threads showing. I tried it again with only the Hogue flat washer and had about the same clearance as the original set up of factory flat washer and factory lock washer.

Which combination should I be using? I'm sure the optimal combination is the Hogue flat washer and factory lock washer but there's just not enough thread with that combination. I'm going to try the Hogue flat washer only and see how it holds up. That washer seems to be the strongest of them all.

Here are pictures of the different washer combinations:

Factory flat washer and factory lock washer:
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9915/imag0243w.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/imag0243w.jpg/)

Hogue flat washer and factory lock washer:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2408/imag0245r.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/imag0245r.jpg/)

Hogue flat washer only:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/476/imag0246xf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/imag0246xf.jpg/)

Travis B

06-28-11, 10:47

As I was putting everything back together, I noticed some mushrooming in the factory flat washer, so I'm definitely changing it out. If any of you are using the factory flat washer, I recommend you take a look at yours as well.

I tried to take a picture to show the mushrooming, but it didn't really show up on my cell phone camera. But anyways, here it is:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4764/imag0247t.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/imag0247t.jpg/)

CGSteve

07-02-11, 19:18

I ended up going to the hardware store and purchasing a longer toggle bolt. There was just no way the Hogue short stock was going to thread on using any washers and the sling mount the way I want the shotgun to be. Even without the sling mount, the bolt barely protrudes out of the Hogue stock. However, the new bolt still has to mount on top of the interior channel as it doesn't fit all the way through.

I like the feel of the stock a lot, and I'm going to test it out shortly, but I think the internal design of it could be better. There is a channel inside the stock that the factory Mossberg 590 bolt will not fit into, unlike in the factory buttstock where it drops all the way down allowing the washers to engage.

As for the forend, I had no trouble whatsoever removing it but it seems like the Hogue forend rubs up against the magazine tube a lot more than the factory one did. I'm noticing a lot more metal on metal wear there than before it seems. The shotgun functions fine (dry racking) as it should though so I don't think anything is wrong.

One thing of note to those of you thinking about installing a GG&G rear sling mount, the mount will cause the trigger group to fit a little more snugly and may need some extra coaxing to get back in the receiver.

Travis B

08-08-11, 05:15

I just posted about it on my blog with pics if you're interested:

http://godgalsgunsgrub.blogspot.com/2011/08/practical-home-makeover-mossberg-500.html

Dann in Ohio

As I mentioned earlier, I don't want to mount the sling in the bottom holes; I don't like having the shotgun turn upside down on me.

ARPATRIOT

08-08-11, 05:17

I'm 6ft tall and have the same problem,my speedfeed on my 590A1 is too long!I love the stock,but may have to look at some of these other options.I don't understand why they didn't make it a little shorter???

Outlander Systems

07-01-14, 17:06

Just acquired a 590, and a 500.

I'm turning the 500 into a "project gun".

It started life out as a cruiser; however, I have removed the stupid Pistol Grip, swapped the plastic forearm out for a wooden one, and added a wooden stock.

For those of you who have reduced the LOP, what sort of butt pad are you installing ex post facto? I'm going to shove this thing into a mitre saw, and shave a cool 2" off of the ass end. The logistical challenge for me is finding a means to reuse the factory pad, or mount up a limbsaver or other after-market butt pad. If I'm feeling real saucy, I may shave 3" off. I want this thing to be shorter, but not PGO short. The factory stock on these doesn't translate well into a squared off shooting technique for me.

26 Inf

07-01-14, 23:52

I'm not sure where 2 or 3 inches off will put you on the Mossberg pad.

You want to remember you cant easily put wood back - I'd go with 1.5 or 2 then see how it fits.

I've only done mitre saw shortening on Remington 870's - I wrap the stock at the cut with painter's tape tape to lessen the chance of splintering. What I did was attach the recoil pad back on, you may have a little left of the top original screw hole - you can drill it, but the bottom was usually gone so you have to make a new one. Then I'd take a couple wraps around the wood with blue painters tape and then cover with duct tape - a couple thicknesses at the end. Make sure the painters tape is wrapped wider than the duct tape. Attach the recoil pad and use a pretty aggressive grit on a bench top belt sander to take it down, then use a fine git to finish - I used a sanding pad. While you are at it round the toe of the recoil pad for comfort. Looks 'okay'

The thing that many don't realize until they've done the deed is that shortening the stock this way shortens the recoil pad about 1/2 to 3/4 inch. This, in turn, causes shooters to mount the shotgun lower into the shoulder and the tendency is to duck their heads into the shotgun.

As an alternative:

http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/SGS/02-01-30

http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/SGS/02-01-26

I prefer the Choate stocks over the Speedfeed because they keep the overall length of the recoil pad the same as their full size stocks. With the Speedfeed body armor stocks you essentially get a standard stock which has been shortened as noted in the paragraph above, so you lose some 'toe' and tend to mount the gun lower.

Outlander Systems

07-05-14, 08:33

Thanks for the advice. It's like I tell my wife, "You can always cook it more, but you can't un-cook it". She has a tendency to overlook things....

The recoil pad is what is boogering me up. I can slap the stock in a mitre saw, and get a pretty clean cut with a fine-toothed blade. I'll definitely run with the painter's tape idea.

While I am at it, I am also considering buying a Magpul sling cup for an ACS, and counter-sinking a hole to epoxy it in to the side of the stock. I have a GG&G sling plate, but it increases the LOP, and leaves a disgusting gap at the FCG housing.

I'm wanting a LOP close to my AR, which I run fully compressed.

zonerA1

05-30-15, 08:06

I recently fixed up a mossberg 500, disassembled and had the metal ceraktoted battleship gray(a tribute to USN) . I wanted black furniture so bought a hogue short lop buttstock and for end. I'm 6'2" and the lop was just too short. I took an old 500wood stock, and cut it down and fitted it with a hogue ez grind pad, same pad that comes on the hogue stock. Sanded,primed,and painted buttstock flat black to match for end, 13" lop. I like a wood buttstock on my HD gun, if I run out ta ammo I still have a darn good club.If the hogue lop is too short for you here's another way to get there.....,..Mike

IZinterrogator

05-31-15, 21:35

I have the Hogue 12" stock and the Aimpro 13" stock. If you're never going to run armor, the Aimpro 13" stock seems to be the perfect length for me. YMMV.

usmc2014

05-31-15, 22:00

I haven't seen anyone mention the Magpul stock set. I use the Magpul stock with adjustable spacers and the forend on my 590 A1 that I carry on duty.

Semper Fi

Uprange41

06-01-15, 01:05

I haven't seen anyone mention the Magpul stock set. I use the Magpul stock with adjustable spacers and the forend on my 590 A1 that I carry on duty.

Semper Fi

This.

acjones20

06-01-15, 19:22

I haven't seen anyone mention the Magpul stock set. I use the Magpul stock with adjustable spacers and the forend on my 590 A1 that I carry on duty.

Semper Fi

fantastic option! I love my magpul'd 590A1

masakari

06-01-15, 19:27

The Magpul SGA is the perfect stock. Get that, none other.
Adjustable length of pull, height, and extremely robust. Plus QD sling sockets.

Travis B

06-01-15, 19:39

I haven't seen anyone mention the Magpul stock set. I use the Magpul stock with adjustable spacers and the forend on my 590 A1 that I carry on duty.

Semper Fi

Magpul shotgun furniture wasn't available at the time of the start of this thread...

usmc2014

06-01-15, 20:25

Magpul shotgun furniture wasn't available at the time of the start of this thread...
I'm on tapatalk on my phone sorry :) this popped up and I just assumed that it was a new thread. You know what happens when you assume... sorry

Semper Fi

Travis B

06-01-15, 20:26

I'm on tapatalk on my phone sorry :) this popped up and I just assumed that it was a new thread. You know what happens when you assume... sorry

Semper Fi

Haha don't worry about it!

zonerA1

06-03-15, 08:29

[QUOTE=Outlander Systems;1943753]Just acquired a 590, and a 500.

I'm turning the 500 into a "project gun".

It started life out as a cruiser; however, I have removed the stupid Pistol Grip, swapped the plastic forearm out for a wooden one, and added a wooden stock.

For those of you who have reduced the LOP, what sort of butt pad are you installing ex post facto? I'm going to shove this thing into a mitre saw, and shave a cool 2" off of the ass end. The logistical challenge for me is finding a means to reuse the factory pad, or mount up a limbsaver or other after-market butt pad. If I'm feeling real saucy, I may shave 3" off. I want this thing to be shorter, but not PGO short. The factory stock on these doesn't translate well into a squared off shooting technique for me.[/QUOTE

Check out the hogue ez fit pad. I believe that it's the same pad that com.es on the hogue overmolded stocks, black,nice ?squishy pad, easy to grind, not too expensive

JasonB1

06-05-15, 14:24

I've noticed a lot of people keep their stock forend on their Mossbergs. Is there a specific reason, or do most people just get the kit without a new forend?

Some of the Mossberg synthetics have the forearm integral to the slide tube assembly so replacing the forearm requires buying a tube assembly to mount it to. Also, Mossberg has used a few different tube lengths through the year's which may negate some aftermarket forearms without buying a compatible tube assembly to install them on.

Travis B

06-05-15, 14:45

Some of the Mossberg synthetics have the forearm integral to the slide tube assembly so replacing the forearm requires buying a tube assembly to mount it to. Also, Mossberg has used a few different tube lengths through the year's which may negate some aftermarket forearms without buying a compatible tube assembly to install them on.

I asked that question 4 years ago yesterday.