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jhs1969

05-28-11, 10:27

Saw this on Glenn Beck the other night, he sourced the Washington Post for it. I searched like hell and could not find it, they may have pulled it after he took it national. Here is the link to the story from GB's site;

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/05/26/chaffetz-vs-sunstein/

I've also heard that the S. Court has ruled that the police no longer need a warant to search a persons' home or vehicle. I only heard this second hand from three individuals. If anyone has a link to more info on this I'd like to see it.

I'm not trying to get political here but all this worries the shit out of me.

Littlelebowski

05-28-11, 10:33

The Glenn Beck articl is stupid because it only insinuated with no facts.

The rumors you're hearing from your friends are just that. Try using Google. Key words should be "indiana" and "4th amendment."

Heavy Metal

05-28-11, 11:10

I am sure the Obama administration would love to pass gun control if it knew it could get away with it but does anybody really believe if Obama was making a major initiative behind closed doors that the Brady's wouldn't already be in on the ground floor and completely in the know?

Not including them would be like the Republicans secretly doing the opposite without consulting the NRA. This smacks as attention whoring by the Bradys to me. If they really were doing it the Bradys would not be allowed to talk about it.

SteyrAUG

05-28-11, 11:49

I'm sure any major gun control won't happen until after the re election. Let's just hope the Republicans don't guarantee Obama a second term.

Sensei

05-28-11, 13:45

I'm sure any major gun control won't happen until after the re election. Let's just hope the Republicans don't guarantee Obama a second term.

Agreed. I would not expect real attempts at gun control unless Obama wins a second term. Even if that happens, I'd expect most of the assaults to come from regulatory agencies and the judiciary. Think of how the EPA regulates emissions as opposed to unpopular CAT legislation as an example of how this happens. Afterall, why expend political capital on a hot button legislation when you can regulate it into submission?

Honu

05-28-11, 14:38

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/28/obama-administration-eyeing-gun-control-radar-groups-warn/

jhs1969

05-28-11, 17:30

FromMyColdDeadHand

05-28-11, 17:38

Agreed. I would not expect real attempts at gun control unless Obama wins a second term. Even if that happens, I'd expect most of the assaults to come from regulatory agencies and the judiciary. Think of how the EPA regulates emissions as opposed to unpopular CAT legislation as an example of how this happens. Afterall, why expend political capital on a hot button legislation when you can regulate it into submission?

This. Or BATFE doing stuff like screwing with shotgun regs. The Obama promise to the Brady's was just like his Gitmo promise- when faced with reality, he won't do anything. Gun Control has become like abortion- there is just too much political colateral damage in trying to make the fight, that it is being sent to the courts. The courts have become so politicized that you just need to win enough elections, or have Republican appointments go soft in the head, like they often do, to get the liberal agenda one decision at a time.

An Undocumented Worker

05-28-11, 18:08

Here's a link related to the S. Court on search warants that I found.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2015108851_edit23supremecourt.html

I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about the direction the nation is heading. Things seem so different than when I was a young man in the 80s and 90s.

I'm pretty sure the ruling was only from an Indiana Supreme court, Not the Supreme Court of the United States.

I was incorrect, here is the ruling JHS is referring to.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-1272.pdf
That decision seems to be supported by doctrines involving reasonable suspicion. Much like hearing someone scream bloody murder. This is only different in which of the Five Senses was used to detect the commision of a crime.

The case I was refering to is talked about in this article.
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/da_kings_men/2011/05/14/indiana-supreme-court-rules-against-fourth-amendment/
This seems to be a much greater violation of our liberties and seems to be a much greater cause for concern if it goes further.

Moose-Knuckle

05-28-11, 18:37

Heavy Metal

05-28-11, 21:04

If POTUS is re-chosen, oh I mean re-elected then we will see some new anti 2nd legislation at some point during his 2nd term.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/white-house/2011/01/obama-push-gun-control-measures

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-on-gun-control-under-the-radar/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html

Fortunately, the voters are very unlikely to give the Dems back the house and they are almost guarenteed to lose the senate, even if Obama manages to squeak by by a hair width and rest assured, if he wins it will be by the absolute thinnest of margins.

Moose-Knuckle

05-28-11, 22:08

Fortunately, the voters are very unlikely to give the Dems back the house and they are almost guarenteed to lose the senate, even if Obama manages to squeak by by a hair width and rest assured, if he wins it will be by the absolute thinnest of margins.

Obama has a "under the radar" approach to gun control. He has a full team dedicated to finding a way to hood wink gun control measures by going around Congress.

HES

05-28-11, 22:35

I'm sure any major gun control won't happen until after the re election. Let's just hope the Republicans don't guarantee Obama a second term.
Agreed, but I ain't that full of hope.

jhs1969

05-28-11, 22:53

I think the Repub's need to select a strong canidate. One with strong constitional and conservative values. However they seem to nominate moderates most of the time which I feel would give B.O. a good shot at another term. This is just my opinion, again I don't want to get too political here.

However what scares me the most about any up coming gun control is that this administration seems to have no problem side stepping or ingnoring the constitution altogether. I seem to remember an older interview before he was elected where he expressed his feeling that the constitution should be made into a "living document" so it could change with the times. Hopefully he will be defeated so we won't have to worry about this crap any more.

Heavy Metal

05-28-11, 22:58

Obama has a "under the radar" approach to gun control. He has a full team dedicated to finding a way to hood wink gun control measures by going around Congress.

You can only 'hood-wink' somebody with the ability to de-fund the enforcing agency for a short time.

Moose-Knuckle

05-28-11, 23:32

You can only 'hood-wink' somebody with the ability to de-fund the enforcing agency for a short time.

Well I hope you guys are right. But where there is a will there is a way. . .

skyugo

05-29-11, 01:08

This. Or BATFE doing stuff like screwing with shotgun regs. The Obama promise to the Brady's was just like his Gitmo promise- when faced with reality, he won't do anything. Gun Control has become like abortion- there is just too much political colateral damage in trying to make the fight, that it is being sent to the courts. The courts have become so politicized that you just need to win enough elections, or have Republican appointments go soft in the head, like they often do, to get the liberal agenda one decision at a time.

that's the one thing i gotta give to obama... he doesn't actually DO most of the stuff we were afraid of. Granted he did crap out that healthcare bill.... which pleased no one liberal or conservative, and will probably end up repealed... so... he's jimmy carter pt 2. :o

Honu

05-29-11, 02:25

well he got health care through ?

I do not want to tie my shoes when this administration is behind me ! cause they will screw all us gun owners if they can !